31.Aug.2013 Eastern Washington Post Game Thoughts

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People are talking about specifics, like fire Banker and Sean Martin sucks.

Yes, both true.

But what I saw is a team of players looking for the other guy to make the play. Guys would get in the vicinity of an Eagle and then almost…look around…waiting for some other dude in the vicinity to make the tackle. It’s girly football, and that part is on the players.

Now, is this on Banker, Riley, etc? Yes! Riley sets the tone. He is not a physical guy. Banker is a pretender, phony, a fake. Telecasters keep saying he’s a great DC and well respected, but I have to ask, by whom? Every time the guy interviews for some B-level job he gets rejected. Banker is Dave Kingman, for those who remember the old-school baseball slugger. He’ll strike out 20 times, then hit 1 home run. People will marvel at that one long ball, because it’s always a monster shot into the upper deck, and for a few games (in baseball terms) everyone would forgive Kingman’s 0-4 with 4 strikeouts. Same with Riley/Banker. There’s the occasional game where the D gets 8 sacks and gives up 200 yards. They get to an Alamo Bowl — these things buy them half a dozen mulligans.

This is another over-arching problem. The boosters are afraid to make changes. They get caught up in the occasional good, and put more weight on the positive games than the negative. This is counter-intuitive in many ways. For example, if someone calls you attractive, you feel good, but usually forget about it shortly after. However, if someone calls you ugly, it might stick with you for life. Negative outcomes usually carry more weight than positive ones, because positive is expected. But not as OSU. Instead the boosters rationalize the loss and start spewing stats about Rileys win/loss record how he won a Grey Cup or some shit. Until the correct weight is placed on a loss by the boosters at the top, nothing will change.

So what is going to happen next, is that Riley and crew will throw together enough of those upper deck Dave Kingman longballs to make the old guard forget about this loss. Maybe they blowout Hawaii next week. All would be forgiven. This is the bigger pattern. Forget today. Today was just a dot on a long-term repeating pattern. A bigger problem is the pattern itself and the attitude of OSU boosters.

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  • Refund says:
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    2 same. They hold on enough to keep the boosters throwing good money after Banker. No one in the University holds anyone accountable. What are the goals…do we meet them or not? I live in Oklahoma City for the time being. If this were to happen to OU, the whole staff would be getting murdered by the fans and press alike. WHile I do not enjoy the OU fanbase/media, they have this aspect correct.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    I’m mostly just pissed that after 1 game, the book is out on how to beat OSU’s defense. Teams will just need to show up and…….well…..that’s it…..just show up.

    It still makes no sense to me that we have our bench on the sunny side of the field while the visitor is lounging in the shade all game long. Talk about a home field disadvantage.

    • scotty says:
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      To be fair, it’s not like it was any secret…

    • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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      Damn that sun! To hell with the alignment of the milky way. Must have been Duck fans who designedthe stadium that way. No WAY OS engineers screwed that up! Mark Banker is only respected by opposing offensive coordinators. No single coach has ever accounted for more promotions and raises for opposing coaches than Banker.

      • wannabeav says:
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        or, responsible for getting fired if, heaven forbid, you should lose to his squad

  • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    “This is another over-arching problem. The boosters are afraid to make changes. They get caught up in the occasional good, and put more weight on the positive games than the negative”

    Let me add to that. BTW, I posted something almost exactly like this on the OSU Beavers football facebook page and they deleted it. I guess the truth hurts. But……………….Riley is a good coach. He’s not great. He does not win the big games. He is terrible with clock management. He is entirely too loyal. He will always fuck it up in a few games somehow and this is what will always keep is from the Rose Bowl or a BCS bowl game. The Alamo is probably the best we will ever get. But here is what the boosters and masses are thinking. If we get rid of Riley, who are we going to get to replace him????? Especially since OSU ALWAYS hires on the cheap. We are never going to pay top dollar for a coach. And people are afraid of going back to 28 years of losing and firing coaches every 4-6 years. Honestly I don’t know what we could do since basically Riley has a lifetime contract and there’s NO WAY we can afford to buy him out of it. That gives him the power to basically do as he wishes. He can be told to fire Banker. But what’s gonna happen if he doesn’t or says no???? Nothing. As long as he gets to some crappy bowl game he gets another year tacked on. That means he basically has to do the bare minimum of 6-6 every year

  • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    exactly. some beaver fans are willing to accept mediocrity because they’re afraid of going back to 28 years of losing. Some complain that we don’t have the money or the facilities to get the good/great athletes. While somewhat true because of the way the game is today but Wazzu got to some Rose Bowls in the last 12 years. And their facilities suck worse than ours. But in the arms race that is college football today you need cash and great facilites to attract the great athletes anymore. We have neither. There are the have’s and have nots in the world of college football. We are in the have nots category and will continue to be.

    • angry angry says:
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      Then there is no point watching it or following the sport.

      A friend of mine recently quite watching for that exact reason. I have been close many times myself. Slowly watching fewer and fewer games, until now I only watch OSU. A few years ago I could name most Pac-10 rosters.

      But, teams can win with less talent and bad facilities. They just need more heart, precision, and execution. We just saw it today.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        pretty much spot on. It’s pointless anymore. We already know that the national champion will come from the SEC. They get all the best athletes (cough, cough, 200K) NCAA athletics needs some serious reform to level the playing field. The rich continue to get richer while the have nots just hope to tread water. Notice the ducks couldn’t get to the top without cheating in recruiting? Anyone else think they’d be where they are today without doing that? Raise your hand if you disagree…………………

      • Sparkyd73 says:
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        I will preface by saying that loss is ridiculous and has no excuse. We are slow on defense and were poorly prepared to play a spread. However, I always find it interesting that this site always paint the Riley fans with “fear brush”. I, for one, do not think we would not be able to find “as good” of a coach. But, I don’t think the program truly gets a level ahead without either cheating or taking a bunch of punks (ala DE). I’m probably different from many of you, but I would rather be a fan of a quality program than a program going for the “natty” every year with a team everyone knows is cheating.

        • Liam says:
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          This is why the Beavs lose these games. If you really feel this way, you should ask the school to drop the football program down a division. You can’t win at the BCS level with an “Aw Shucks, just play your best” attitude. I understand that it is harsh and ugly, but it’s how you win. If you accept mediocrity, you can expect it. Why do beaver fans accept early losses to poor teams most years? The season starts in the last week of August or first week of September every year. These other teams don’t have trouble preparing. I was so disappointed when the Beavers signed on Riley to that long term contract. You might as well just say.. come support the 8 – 4 beavers who will slip early, win a few in a row late, play terrible in different time zones, and embarrass themselves consistently in big games on ESPN. I wonder how the sponsors and donors who pay Riley’s salary feel today. That loss was so predictable. Riley is a good middle of the road coach, but he isn’t someone that can push young men beyond their own expectations.

          • Sparkyd73 says:
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            Silly post. I have no effect on the outcome of any osu game.

        • Liam says:
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          This is why the Beavs lose these games. If you really feel this way, you should ask the school to drop the football program down a division. You can’t win at the BCS level with an “Aw Shucks, just play your best” attitude. I understand that it is harsh and ugly, but it’s how you win. Why do beaver fans accept early losses to poor teams most years? The season starts in the last week of August or first week of September every year. These other teams don’t have trouble preparing. I was so disappointed when the Beavers signed on Riley to that long term contract. You might as well just say.. come support the 8 – 4 beavers who will slip early, win a few in a row late, play terrible in different time zones, and embarrass themselves consistently in big games on ESPN. I wonder how the sponsors and donors who pay Riley’s salary feel today. That loss was so predictable. Riley is a good middle of the road coach, but he isn’t someone that can push young men beyond their own expectations.

    • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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      Yeah for sure, I’m tired of getting pushed around by all of these big power schools like Sac St and Eastern Washington. They are the “haves” and we can’t compete with cities like Sacramento and where ever the hell Eastern Wash is. Their talent and gene pools in those locations are just deeper. Period. Like how are we, as a Pac12 school with a preseason ranking supposed to win recruiting battles against these traditional division 2 powers? I just hope we don’t schedule Linfield or Lewis and Clark in the future. We need to stop playing so many marquee games so early.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        apparently you didn’t read the post before that said Riley is a good coach but not a great coach and will always find a way to fuck it up in a few games.

        • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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          Man. Riley’s post game comments were encouraging though. He refuses to back down. If Riley and the other coaches can remember to bring their lunch pails to work this week, Hawaii better watch out. Blue collar mentality starts now beavers! It’s time to fire up those chainsaws and get after it!

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Also, their willingness to accept projects. It is okay to get a few, but when you build your whole program around them, it is such a shot in the dark. The recruiting has never been there. there are plenty of coaching and strategy mistakes to go with it. But you don’t scrimmage all camp because your afraid of hurting the best players and you know you don’t have any backups ready to go.

    You fail to get a true top MLB recruit and what happens is that Songy and Skotte registered 1 total tackle. You are under the scholarship limit, no competitive program should do that but Riley’s programs are constantly doing it. Nielson leaves to go to Sac St, because they won’t offer a schollie to him (he was the best backup OL last season and pushing to start?). You recruit only one OL in this last class. The DL has been undersized and not as talented, in hopes that everybody will develop like Paea. Or will be productive by their Senior year.

    The players that this program recruits 90% are the same guys that EWU gets. That is why you see the game as so close. They hope to “develop” these guys, but they still don’t recruit enough of the top level talent to help fill in in case of injuries or attrition.

    • wannabeav says:
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      this is an important point that inverts the conventional wisdom that Riley makes his mark by
      getting more out of talent than that talent would otherwise yield in terms of on-field productivity. As b-k-man implies, it makes every squad a big roll of the dice.

  • beavers4life says:
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    Angry, you predicted a close game…the offense shows up, but the defense doesn’t. Defense wins games, but the players are the ones who couldn’t tackle, couldn’t make the reads, couldn’t keep up with the WR, etc. etc. The list goes on of what they didn’t do. The offense nearly matched EWU in offense. both offenses had their way with the other defenses….it came down to a field goal…Missed wide right by Romaine. I honestly think that lacking DJ Alexander and lack of quality D-1 DT’s showed today. I give them 1 more game to show up and do their best to play better before I jump on the bandwagon of firing the coaching staff.

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      losing to an FCS team twice in three years wasn’t enough huh?

      • beavers4life says:
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        I’ve been following OSU football since 1996. I’m 26 years old, I’m getting married in 2 weeks, and today, we lost to the #4 FCS team that has a legitimate chance to win the FCS championship. We don’t know who the Beavers are right now defensively…we knew the front 7 was suspect 2-3 weeks ago. If we had more effort and better tackling, better coverage in the passing game, then we would have won. there’s too many “If we’ve done this better, we would’ve…..”. It’s a big question mark to me right now. Ask me after next weeks game. I’m not partial to boycott or become a “fairweather” fan because the team’s track record is 2 losses to FCS schools. If we go 3-9 or worse 2-3 years in a row…then yes, change in coaching staff is needed, but as of right now, OSU Athletics screwed the pooch with Riley’s Lifetime contract and we’ve invested too much in him. best option would be to fire BDC and find a cheaper AD and then buyout Riley’s contract, but who do you legitimately bring in?

        • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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          exactly. I don’t know. All I know is this. I don’t want DeCareless to hire another coach for football or mens hoops ever again.

        • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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          I’m so sick of screwing the pooch over and over again. Well said. Our front 7 looked like a disaster. Why do we get injured players again? One day we will rise above and overcome otherwise we won’t. Not with Banker and Riley can’t coach with Joan Stevenson on the roster.. I don’t care how much experience is there.

      • cpdx says:
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        is there any other program in the country that finds it acceptable to lose to an fcs team two out of three years? let alone, let their head coach keep his job? what a disgrace.

  • Beaverbeliver says:
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    2 losses to big sky teams in totally unacceptable. Riley needs to go if OSU ever hopes to see a BCS game again. The Beavs were unprepared today and that falls on the coaches. There is simply no excuse not to be 7-0 to start this season. Las Vegas bowl anyone?

    • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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      Well 7-0 is gone. I hope we can get back to .500 now!

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      We will not go to a bowl game unless somebody makes a deal with the devil.

  • angry angry says:
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    Anyone have a link to the post game interview?

    Gotta see Riley praise the other team rather than scold his coaches…

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      http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/08/eastern_washington_49_oregon_s_4.html

      He said he wanted to watch the tape among other things

      • beavers4life says:
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        Riley seemed shocked in his post interview. I’m watching CSNW Post game right now and Big Suke from PrimeTime on 1080 the Fan, he had nothing good to say about the Defensive side of the ball and he said we need to give EWU some credit, but their not Oregon. So there’s no excuse the way the defense played and they have a lot of work to do with no pass rush, run defense attrocious, WR’s running unmolested downfield…not a good thing at all. So, ya, there needs to be revamping on the defensive side….it’s called better recruiting.

      • angry angry says:
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        You can tell he’s upset at least.

        • cpdx says:
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          From Schnell:

          In reality, Saturday was the first time the Beavers have live tackled since April. Riley opted to cancel any planned scrimmages in August because so many players were banged up and sitting out. Asked Saturday afternoon if that was a mistake, he shrugged.

          “I don’t know,” Riley said. “When you have so many guys hurt, the guys who are going to play in the games aren’t going to be tackling anyway because they’re not practicing. You’re kind of caught there.”

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            They still haven’t live tackled.

          • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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            I read that quote, so you have 80 players on scholarship and a half dozen guys get hurt and the backups won’t provide you any experience or competition in live scrimmage because they won’t play anyways. How about getting some guys who will/can play in the games and are not just taking up locker space?? He basically admits they recruit these guys who will not be ready to play. How do you expect to build a program that way. 13 years and you still have not developed any depth.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Exactly. You do that the first couple of years if you need to.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Thanks for posting that link to the Riley post game interview. Got to see his out of place shit eating grin so that just about made the game complete.

        Step one: fire Bobby D.
        Step two: be patient and pay down the debt so we can hire good coaches and improve the facilities.

        As usual, jmo.

  • Jack says:
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    A couple years ago, we had the whole Banker discussion.

    I would like to say that I want to remove from consideration the name I threw out there to replace him. It’s obvious to me now that Scott Stoker could never handle an offense such as we saw today, let alone a real one.

  • Jack says:
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    Also, I pick on Martin because never before have I seen someone give a ten yard cushion then get repeatedly beat over the top. Time after time after time he would bite on the initial cut. Time after time after time the WR was running down the field, and all I saw for coverage was #6 trotting behind him.

    There were other mistakes for sure. People should have realized they were a man down while he was on the field and adjusted accordingly.

    • angry angry says:
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      Hate Martin!

      He made this list in 2010:
      http://angrybeavs.com/athletics/1353

      • Nak says:
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        Martin shouldn’t be on the field. Nelson must not be as good as advertised if he can’t unseat Mr. Toast but it could also be some weird loyalty thing from Riley and Co. I’ve given up on Riley a long time ago but it’s harder to give up on the Beavs.

        • angry angry says:
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          That’s not true. He could be plenty good and still sit behind a worse player. Riley is notorious for this.

        • calibeav says:
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          Nelson looked terrible as well. Maybe first game jitters but he was getting toasted all day too.

      • Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        As far as I’m concerned the entire defense and especially banker can eat a bag of dicks right now. The effort and execution may have been piss poor but its banker that continually puts the players in positions to be unsuccessful against spread/mobile qb teams

      • wannabeav says:
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        wow, Angry, what a blast from the past. didnt’ miss the mark on any of them. I had forogtten about Tuianeau, who had the “record” for least proficient DB in Beav history, until Martin
        demolished it yesterday.

    • TREE-EATER says:
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      Martin is pure trash. He was a liability to the team in the past couple years not only for his very poor play, but his MAJOR immaturity off the field. Why give the starting spot to someone who can’t even manage his life off the field? He shouldn’t even be on a D1 team, period.

  • cpdx says:
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    Apparently Riley had never heard of the QB and knew nothing about their spread offense either. What an f-ing joke this is.

    “I didn’t really know that much about him,” OSU coach Mike Riley said. “He hasn’t been a full-time guy, but I knew he was a freshman All-American. He’s done some good stuff.”

    • angry angry says:
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      Translation:
      “Hey, I won 9 games last year, doesn’t that mean I get a year off?”

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        LOL

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        Winning is lower on Riley’s priority list than most of us. Turning out good men and staying loyal to friends and family are his focus. I’m not saying a coach should try to win at all cost, but seriously this is embarrassing, again. But then again who am I to complain, I donated to my beaver nation thus year so….

        Can’t believe what a groundhog day experience yesterday was ala Sac St.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Need………..lots…….of………beer.

        • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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          At least we have good coaches in men’s basketball. Have YOU ever been to the White house? I didn’t think so!

    • Sad Beaver says:
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      To be fair when we play these lower level schools they do not have to give us film. They get television of us for free, so not a lot of motivation to trade tape. Also other schools also would not have the motivation to help us out either. So it is possible we had little to no tape for them. Not an excuse, but could explain his answer.

  • uncanny says:
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    Maybe next game Riley can do more pregame preparation than just picking up a game program on his bike ride to the stadium.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      No time for that, has to play with his grandson and get him his Mac and cheese.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Hard to believe, but somebody is in the same league as Riley at clock management.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ba9x-nEgIfI

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    The Eagles rolled up 625 yards of offense on OSU’s defense, and were stopped on only one possession the whole game (and only then because their starting QB was out of the game). But — sad to say — it was even worse than it looked.

    Fact is that Eastern Washington’s top two running backs were injured and didn’t play in yesterday’s game. Also, EW’s receiving corps was inexperienced and largely unproven (because the top receivers from last year’s team had graduated). EW was not just an FCS team, but an FCS team that was crippled on offense. So how was EW able to move up and down the field so easily all day against OSU’s defense?

    Simple. Just snap the ball to sophomore QB Vernon Adams, and let him either throw the ball to an uncovered receiver, or scramble around to make something happen. That was the EW game plan, and it worked to perfection all day, with Adams rushing for over 100 yards himself, and passing for over 400 yards (setting records for total yards by an OSU opponent, and also for Reser Stadium).

    OK, so was OSU’s problem that Vernon Adams is just a super-talented athlete — a combination of Michael Vick and Vince Young — who was “in the zone” and played out of his mind (as Riley seemed to imply after the game)? Or was something else going on?

    Here is Vernon Adams’ post-game explanation:

    “They were just open all [the] time,” Adams said of his receivers. “I just put it in the right spot for them.” http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/08/oregon_state_football_eastern.html

    Watching the game at Reser yesterday, I concur. Eastern Washington’s inexperienced receivers somehow were indeed open all the time. They were open on short passes, long passes, passes over the middle, and passes to the sidelines. They were open on quick hitters, and on slow-developing plays. On practically every play, at least one Eagle receiver was wide open. And because OSU was unable to keep Adams in the pocket or get in his face, Adams picked apart the Beavers all day.

    This is on Banker.

    Yesterday’s game reminded me of the game at Utah two years ago when Utah didn’t have a competent QB, and resorted to running the ball up the middle, play after play. The Utah coach, in his post-game conference, expressed shock that OSU let him get away with it, and practically called out Banker by name.

    That’s how I felt yesterday, watching Eastern Washington’s offense do the same thing, over and over again. Banker once again proved himself incapable of making in-game adjustments to stop a crippled opponent from executing a devastatingly simple plan of attack. Again, as far as I’m concerned, that is on Banker. I agree with Angry — Banker is a fake.

    Sure, Riley mismanaged the clock (as usual). Yes, players blew assignments (e.g., Sean Martin). OSU’s recruiting and talent-level on defense need improvement. All true. But if Banker were a competent DC, he could have made adjustments during the game to contain Vernon Adams, and ensure that Eagle receivers were not wide open on every play. Banker didn’t do that. Banker deserves — and needs — to be called out for that failure.

    Unfortunately, that’s not going to happen. That’s a failure on the part of Mike Riley (who is excessively loyal to Banker and others on his staff). It’s a failure on the part of BDC (who refuses to hold OSU coaches accountable for anything). It’s a failure on the part of the local press, who are afraid to criticize “nice guy” Mike Riley or any of Riley’s staff. And it’s a failure on the part of the OSU fan base, most of whom are grateful for mediocrity (because they remember when things were so much worse).

    That’s the flawed ecosystem in which OSU football currently lives. Until that flawed ecosystem is disrupted, major change is not going to happen. Best guess — this ecosystem remains in place until BDC retires, and a new, younger, more aggressive Director of Athletics is hired. Unfortunately, BDC appears intent on hanging on as long as he can. With a salary of $562,000 per year, wouldn’t you? And that’s that….

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      Comment of the year

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        concur. the kind of excellent analysis we’ve grown accustomed to from Silver (and which will
        never see the light of day in the mainstream media). I truly never expected to live long enough
        to see Sac State redux. There’s a line of thinking in some of the post game commentary about
        how good EWA was/is, which is true, but people, if not for two blown EP’s they would have
        put up 50 points on us! I consider this a more disgraceful loss than Sac State because we
        can’t use the excuse of looking past them, and because this was a more veteran OSU team
        not going thru QB trials.

        This game reveals all the hallmarks evident to those who “think critically” of OSU football
        and this particular set of coaches and players.

        going in reverse order: count on a kicker costing us a game; viz, Romaine missing with
        the wind at his back;

        our coaches getting outsmarted at critical junctures: not going for an on-side after the last
        TD when THERE IS NO EVIDENCE in the table of probabilities that EWA was going
        to be stopped;

        Getting punked by opposing teams. Not realizing those dive plays near the goal line on EWA
        last possession weren’t intended to score, they were intended to burn clock. And some of our guys were naive enough to think they had done good.

        Not being ready early in the season, especially for a spread option team. Query: has anyone
        on this board ever been to a practice to see the D practice against this stuff? Double query:
        who is the QB for the scout team if, in fact, they practice. Yesterday had the look of the first
        time some of those guys had gone against an up tempo spread team.

        Anyone else notice that our D was GASSED in the first quarter?

        Who, exactly, made the decision to dress our team in black on a blazingly bright day? I’m now thinking a truly radical idea: we ought to abandon black as a team color. Other schools have appropriated it for their use anyway; viz. UW and UO (Prediction: WSU will wear black against
        us when we go to Pullman.) That nitwit needs to be called out. every instinct in my body tells me it was BDC in
        order to get some mileage out of this botched re-branding project.. I never took physics, was never good in any science, but I know this: if you want to stay cool and fresh in the sun, don’t wear black.

        Recruiting: how hard it hurts to say, we’ve come (down) such a long ways from the likes of Dennis
        Weathersby, Brandon Browner, Nick Barnett, and Richard Siegler that it is simply astonishing. We just do NOT see that kind of D talent here anymore.

        Scheduling: stop playing these FCS schools (and I guarantee, we can all look forward to a
        Portland State victory celebration in the SW endzone before even the oldest of us die off, let
        alone the young ‘uns–the ultimate humiliarion). We simply do show the propensity to prepare or recruit in sufficient
        capacity to compensate for the eagerness and drive of less talented (but frequently better
        coached teams) FCS teams coming to Reser so as to be able to meet the supposed logic
        of buying a win. Schedule lower grade “BCS” schools if you must, if only
        to avoid the national embarrasment of having your abject failure dominate the airwaves; viz.
        the Chris Childers S/XM lead-in on this show this morning that has Parker’s wrap up as a part of its montage. Or give the fans some interesting road trips. Truly, who among us wouldn’t have traded yesterday for a double digit loss in Tuscaloosa. OSU isn’t cut out to be Goliath. (The thought of Mike Riley in that context amuses me.) Better to be David.

        Oh, and for those who are so pleased with the offensive stats: that was probably the worst defense
        OSU will go against this year.

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          Actually, the quality of the opponent matters little in OSU’s first month of the season. Be they LSU, BSU, Sac State, or EWU, 9 years out of 10, Riley and staff will NOT have their team ready to go in the first 3-4 weeks of the season; last year was an anomaly in that regard.

          Think about the lack of adjustments against LSU, when your rookie kicker is having a nightmare game. And there’s Riley, at the end, wildly signally for a timeout because he’s decided he doesn’t want to kick after all. Too late.

          BSU had a “a night to remember” several years ago, when OSU was the first Pac team they beat. And blew out, early in the season.

          Yesterday, despite the fact they face more and more mobile qbs, spread offenses, and their biggest rival runs a version of the offense, Banker comes out performs like he’s never faced it before. No ideas. No answers. Just lots of emphatic gestures and signals from the sideline. His inability to learn is stunning.

          How many teams is OSU going to face this year that like to spread out the D? Hawaii? UW? UO? Others? Hawaii did not look like a threat to me, I thought EWU would be a more difficult “win,” but yesterday’s pass D was SO bad, Hawaii has to think they have a chance now.

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    So let me make sure I have this right. OSU deserves to be handcuffed to its mediocrity is great approach for 20 years because BDC blew his wad over Riley scoring 3 points in that armpit destination of El Paso? Banker has to go yesterday but if Riley won’t make these changes he needs to be shown the door. There are quite a few coaches who could pretty easily outrecruit Riley if the head coach at OSU. Wilcox could do it in his sleep and we would have a much better defense and lose the nonstop sap, get some attitude and not have to frequently hear excuses for losing to the FCS, be rid of Banker for good and play some defense. That defense at UW looks good and kids aren’t very interested in dinosaurs like Banker. Someone like Wilcox that can alleviate the annoying and repeating Riley and Banker ills and that is a stud recruiter is where we should turn next. Riley is better suited to be an offensive coordinator somewhere. That is his primary skill. As a head coach he has too many deficiencies.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Step one: fire Bobby D.

    Step two: be patient and pay down the debt so we can hire good coaches and improve the facilities.

  • ean says:
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    It is too bad Banker didn’t take the USC DC job. I think it will take a couple more years of this before he is asked to leave.

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    The D was totally passive and on their heels from the first play.
    Mannion played great and his passes were tight spirals for a change. Arm appears stronger.
    When it became obvious to the entire world, with the exception of our coaching staff, that we could not stop them, why didn’t we go Wisconsin on them and pound the run, shorten the game, and keep the second coming of J Football off the field?
    This was a Riley factor loss and a major buzz kill for the program. Rest of the PAC 12 looks pretty good, so does this become a repeat of 2011?

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      I like that “Another Kick in the Nuts.”

      Nice replacement for “Luck o’ the Beavs,” both applicable all too frequently.

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    My bad saying Murphy’s comments were blown out of proportion. I was sipping the juice. Back from the game I’m still in shock that the secondary was that bad. I don’t know that DJ would’ve help that much since his replacement was the only one flying around playing like a man. Just bad. All I can say. Couldn’t even tell if skotte played yesterday from the stands. Another football season under way, another kick in the nuts. Going to need a lot of booze this year.

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    Well, at least EWU earned their money ($450K) unlike Banker…towards the end I thought “OSU doesn’t deserve to win.” My brother was grumbling about Banker and Riley’s ridiculous clock management: “Just let them score! Get the ball back!”

    EVERY year we see at least two games with this clock management incompetence, and every year Banker demonstrates he’s learned nothing about defending spread offenses, despite the fact that his biggest rival, 45 miles away, has run it for years. WHAT DOES BANKER DO IN THE OFFSEASON? Does he study, scheme, travel around and talk to other D coordinators? My god its embarrassing the vacuum he and Riley are allowed to live in.

    And another thing, watching more and more teams seem to have mobile, if not running qbs…maybe in two years we’ll see one at OSU.

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      Maybe The Oregonian is starting to step it up just a little tiny bit……nice comment about Banker/defense inability to stop mobile quarterbacks over the last SIX YEARS. Hey, Oregonian thanks for noticing!

      The scary thing is that this game could have been a complete blowout except EWU had to settle for FG’s on a couple of their drives. You can get 60 plus points on 600 yards of offense and 0 turnovers. Bend, bend and then break defense and no ball hawks. This has got to be up there in historically shitty defensive performances by an OSU team.

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        This has to close to the number of yards Oregon dropped on the beavs right? Did they top 700 once?

        Along the lines of my thoughts on “OSU doesn’t deserve to win,” I keep vainly hoping that this repeated incompetence will result in change. For the reasons discussed in this thread, it won’t, until BDC is replaced.

        Maybe they can get Banker to donate BOTH of his kidneys to some people…that might be the fastest way out of this.

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      Clock management at the end was bad…I mean, did ANYone think we were going to succeed in that goal line stand? Anyone? Riley, Banker, the players, anyone in the stands? But I think the more blatant mistake was not onside kicking earlier.

      After the defense was 0/8 on stopping Vernon Adams drives, you have to realize that not much is likely to change. Onside kick, take a shot to let your offense carry you. If you fail, what do you lose? 30 yards field position means absolutely nothing when your defense cannot create a stop.

      It’s sad to think in those terms but it’s absolutely true. Unconventional needed to happen to win the game. The defense lost their chance to play hero. Get the W however you need to, then work your tail off in the next few weeks to put the D in place to be a hero next time.

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        I thought the same thing myself when we scored that last TD. The amount of time left on the clock had me thinking, Go for an onside kick. There’s nothing to lose. If they score no worries, we’ll have plenty of time after to score ourselves since their D could not stop us either.

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      “…WHAT DOES BANKER DO IN THE OFF SEASON? …”

      Perhaps extended recruiting trips to HI?

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Mark Banker Must Go at OSU:
    http://beaverbyte.com

    #WorstDCinFBS #BeaverProblems

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    Also, if Vaz did get picked off by that d as much as was reported during camp, hope and pray mannion doesn’t get injured. We’re going to have to put up 50 a game to have a chance.

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    Here’s something I’m going to watch for….the two other Top 25 FBS teams to lose to an FCS team (it’s only happened three times now)…Virginia Tech and Michigan went on to have decent seasons despite the historic early season setback.

    Is Mike Riley going to do the same or is this team going to implode? If this team does fall apart, how will the accountablity be handled? Riley is only 17-21 over the last three plus seasons.

    • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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      Interesting measurements. I think the beavs will be like Michigan. Most people nationally would agree about competitive balance too. It was super hot for the beavers and it was the first game. Lots of adjustments still lie ahead.

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    I did not have a chance to watch the game so could someone tell me, did the beavs run mostly man or zone? And if zone did they mix it up? 2 deep? Any combo zones with man over the top? Maybe it just didn’t matter. To give up this many yards is inexcusable and Riley and banker both should be held responsible. Perhaps some slip-n-slide followed by a water ballon fight will have them ready for Hawaii.

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      It looked like Banker just had everyone out of position as usual on 3rd downs only. Can YOU be our new defensive coordinator? Sounds like you actually get it lol.

    • Mb says:
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      No, next week is the bounce house.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        I think you’re on to something there.

        It seems like all of the happyfunplaytime bullshit may have taken away from he serious nature of needing to prepare to play some fucking football.

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          agreed. To quote Dan Hawkins, it ain’t intramurals brother. It’s division 1 football.

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      Lots of cover 2/cover 3 early in the game. The pass defense was playing very soft early and adams was able to get in a rhythm cause short stick routes/outs/draga etc were all wide open. Their first long pass was a miscommunication by the defense I think.

      Since the d line couldn’t get any pressure, Banker tried zone blitzing, but again they were playing soft zones behind it and those short routes were wide open. When they tried blitzing with man D, adams would just scramble for huge gains. I don’t remember seeing doctor/johnson spying adams.

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        wow, Angry, what a blast from the past. didnt’ miss the mark on any of them. I had forogtten about Tuianeau, who had the “record” for least proficient DB in Beav history, until Martin
        demolished it yesterday.

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        Thanks for the information. I do not understand why they would play soft with against eastern to start the season. unproven quarterback at this level with new receivers means man up, hammer them at the line and dog their ass all over the field. The beaver s were soft from the start when they should have come out and set the tone. They are the D-1 school s o they should have been more physical and aggressive. From what I have read and heard Martin sucked. What about Nelson and Reynolds? Not to hard scheme wise to make a change and spy that qb with Doctor,but then making changes during the game is not a beaver strength.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      It was Banker’s new innovation, the Cover 0.

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    Fortunately, I chose to spend the day in the mountains rather than watch this game. Did OSU run any no-huddle or “hurry up” offense?

    I am very curious to see how a team that can’t run a 2-minute drill, manage timeouts, and frequently has trouble getting plays in on time, executes a no huddle offense….

    OT, but the Seattle Times ran an article on Sark, and how he “knows” he has to deliver – he’s had time to get his system in, hired his coordinators, expensive stadium upgrade, etc. Results are expected. Basically, all of the same factors that have NO bearing on continued employment at OSU.

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      No hurry up. The concerning thing about the offense for this game was the lack of run blocking. Didn’t open very many holes. Pass blocking was great as Mannion had all day to pick the defense apart.

      All focus is on the d. They looked gassed after the first series. It was f’n hot. As others have said, black jerseys seems dumb in that situation.

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        Despite Cav’s reputation as a gruff, cussin’, hard-nosed coach, his teams consistently seem to prefer pass blocking over run blocking. I can’t remember a line of road graders – on a consistent, gamte-to-game basis anyway.

        Being gassed after the first series, with a relatively light camp (no scrimmaging) seems ridiculous to me. I think it comes from a lack of success – inability to stop a team, with no answers from sideline, becomes demoralizing.

      • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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        I hate the new jerseys. The should just scrap the black ones now lol.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Agree. The pants make them look like clowns………………much like their tackling.

      • Mb says:
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        Enger was getting beat in pass protection forcing Mannion dump offs. There was significant pressure over the right tackle on a consistent basis. he did stay with it but kept Mannion from being able to step into the throw several times. He will have significant problems,like Kelly, with speed on the outside.

      • oneoldbeav says:
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        Black unis on a hot day made no sense, but I’d expect the effect to be seen much much later than right after the first series. If the D truely was gassed after the first series (and I think it was) then that is due to conditioning and ATTITUDE. I think these guys read the body bag story and were allowed to come in with no fire, no desire, no fear of a coaching response to a poor performance, and no preparation for an up-tempo offense.

    • cloudydays says:
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      It doesn’t count that much cause EWU were running prevent defense, but that last drive to get romaine in position to try the tying field goal was a thing of beauty

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      so true. Sark’s job is in jeopardy because he hasn’t gotten over the 7 win threshold while in Corvallis that is cause for contract extension. that’s sick.

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        Sark has never achieved anything as a head coach. Riley has a golden career next to him. Seriously, he should have been fired by now.

  • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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    We PAID $450,000 for that loss? Why?

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      I assumed the first question was rhetorical but the 2nd one indicated you actually wanted to know? Read Ken Goe’s body bag article in the Oregonian. Someone please come up with something clever to say about Banker and EWU going to the bank with $450,000

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Just had a look at the roster to see who I was looking at yesterday.

    To be fair, the perfectly executed pankey style flailbacker move was #37 Micah Audiss, not #32 Joel Skotte.

    Not saying Skotte doesn’t suck too, it just wasn’t him on that particular play.

  • Refund says:
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    Random thoughts…

    Talking about the lack of scrimmage, this doesn’t seem to be an issue for many other schools. I do not believe for a second that we had anymore injuries and dings then the rest of the nation, yet many other schools do much more tackling. Anyone who attended the practices see anything to suggest different?

    Read Option and mobile QB, that is the scheme to beat the Beavs right now. I think it has been for the last 5 years. Get better or get left out. ESPN projects no bowl game for the Beavs. The only upside to this is that it means one less year on Riley’s contract, until BDC gives an extension for something else.

    A leader has to provide feedback about performance and then when expectations are still not met, change the pieces to get the result that he/she wants. I think that the Beavs do not have to get rid of the entire coaching staff to be successful, just Banker. This infers that Riley can grow from these experiences though, something we have unfortunately yet to see. Our staff needs to innovate and grow. That is what the great schools are doing. We seem to not notice this, how can we expect to be great if we do not study greatness.

    Sorry for the ramble, hopped up on morning now afternoon coffee.

  • GOBEAVS GOBEAVS says:
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    The good news is that I have started to see some criticism of Riley, Banker, etc in the media.

    These cold starts and in ability to defend against mobile QBs have been problems for years.

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      This has been a pattern before but remember when they came all the way back from it and played Pitt in the SunBowl? (Beavers won the bowl too!)

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      The unmitigated incompetence of losing to a Big Sky team in 2 out 3 years is so obvious
      a form of non-feasance that even the feel good media can’t miss it. I have a feeling Canzano
      is going to explode on this in the next day or two.

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        Canzano doesn’t write about the Beavers anymore cause he said nobody reads it. He is such a tool, only writes stories about teams that have tons of bandwagon fans like Oregon because people have opinions. Most of the duck fans didn’t even go to the university of Oregon. Just tens of millions of random people across the world are their fans because Phil knight pays them. Wish the Beavers could get some Nike love more than Rebeaving us and then making us play national championship contending middle weight schools we can’t defend because they showcase fast quarterbacks.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Two players that should not see the field again this year:

    Obum Gwatchum

    Sean Martin

    I would also like to comment on how clutch Mullaney was. Just like the practice reports, anything thrown his direction is getting caught.

    • osbeavs says:
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      So you are saying that we can expect to see Gwacham and Martin starting next week.

      Also, how is Braun our starting d tackle?

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        I think he’s a walk-on safety…supposed to be a playmaker. Seriously.

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          Meant for the question about “who was Audiss and why was he playing?”

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Actually I remember hearing his name a bit last year and from practice this year. Supposed to be pretty good, but that pankeyflail was pure unrefined grade A fail.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Braun is starting for lack of a better option. Originally, he was a back-up on the Oline who wasn’t even getting practice reps – I remember a D coach saying “he was just standing around” so they moved him to DE. Now he’s at DT. THAT is how you build a program….

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          Why start your new JC DT recruits when you can start a converted OL to DE to DT? If you have that opportunity if you have to take it every time.

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            Because those JC kids couldn’t stop anyone. Why were they rated as two stars at D1 level if they aren’t as good as guys like Braun. Beavers needed to show more recruits the new uniforms during visits or something went wrong why didnt the new uniforms bring in better recruits? If they don’t next year, we should switch everything back and tell Nike no thanks.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Haha.

    • wannabeav says:
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      looking on the positive side, we can look forward to the time saved not having to read practice
      reports and related speculation that Boom has turned the corner. The Gwatchum experiment ended about 3:40 pm. yesterday

      • osbeavs says:
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        Apparently you are a new Beaver fan. Gwatchum will probably start next week. Talent rarely wins out on this team.

    • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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      Gwatchum sucks and our corners are sketchy as hell. Can Poyer come back? He’s obviously useless in the NFL. Beavers have to cut Joan Stevenson too, he’s a cancer for this team!

  • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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    Was anyone else expecting to see Vaz play a few series? I mean, maybe Riley should have got him some reps who knows what the outcome turns out to be with Cody back there. Beavers didn’t seem to rotate much. Against a D2 opponent, you’re supposed to get lots of reps for different guys. Just an observation, but I’m sure same outcome.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      I never saw any reason to put Vaz in the game.

    • Hellobeavers says:
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      Mannion played well despite the early play calling. No reason to play vaz unless he knows how to tackle.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    How about the two illegal substution penalties that occurred right in front of the beavers sideline? Attention to detail, inexcusable.

    • wannabeav says:
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      those are completely on Banker who had his back to field while yelling for his guys to run diagonally about 40 yard (of the the big gain on the play just concluded) not realizing EWA
      was lining up for a quick count. And they BARELY missed a third one in the 4th q.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        There was also a play right in the middle of all that where OSU only had 9 players on the field.

  • Noghri_ViR says:
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    I’m just getting it started and could use some help:
    https://www.facebook.com/FireMarkBanker

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      I liked and shared it on my wall as well. Not sure it will do any good, but what the hell right?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    A few weeks ago, Scnhell asked, after slip-n-slide day, “is any football team in the country having more fun that Oregon State?”

    I think the answers are “Yes,” and “Eastern Washington for one.”

  • ObjCritic says:
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    According to KEZI recap, Vernon Davis put up 518 yards of offense against the beavers, an opponent’s single game record against OSU.

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      some contributor to this site who has some legal training should draw up the equivalent of an “indictment” of this kind of malfeasance.

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    Just once…for old times sake!!! O……..S…….U…. fight…fight….fight… repeat.

    (Optional…. wave your arms in the air like a spaz until bored or self-conscious.) JB

  • GoBeavs82 says:
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    My drive back to Olympia was longer than ever, and I’ll put up with crap every day until this is avenged (WSU loss at home a few yrs ago, UW loss last yr and now this).

    We have many reasons to want a new defensive coordinator today. I would also like a new offensive coordinator brought in and I’d like a few asst coaches that were better recruiters. If we were able to affect change, a new head coach would bring in their own staff and we’d end up with a complete re-make of the staff, the schemes, and the recruiting story with one single move.

    WSU has undertaken this already and they played a heck of a game against Auburn in their SEC stadium – kudo’s to Leach and the team!

    CAL has a new staff and a new offense. They averaged 18 seconds/play and ran 99 plays yesterday – only 1 second slower than the ducks, most plays in the PAC-12, and faster than the other 7 PAC-12 teams that played already.

    UCLA’s new staff has installed new schemes and a hurry-up offense that produced 647 yrs, second only to the ducks 772 yesterday.

    WE NEED to TAKE THE ISSUE to the administration VIA our pocket books, not via twitter or Facebook. A few hundred donors holding out on donations and marching on BDC’s office may affect change. Maybe it’s time to start an escrow acct for Riley’s contract buyout. It only takes one domino.

    • Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Why should we? Are we the dumbasses that gave Riley essentially a lifetime contract? Are we the ones that gave Craig Robinson 2 unwarranted contract extensions??? Fuck no! Therefore we should not be opening up our checkbooks. You want change? Vote with your wallet and stop buying tickets and going to the games. Change needs to start at the top and it starts with DeCareless.

  • GoBeavs82 says:
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    Of the 9 PAC-12 teams that have played this week:

    Beaver offensive wasn’t stellar –

    we rank #5 in total offense
    we rank #8 in balanced offense (run/pass)
    we rank #8 in rushing
    We ranked #2 in passing behind CAL
    we rank #8 in total plays
    we rank #9 in speed of play

    • wannabeav says:
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      I’ll state again: against what was likely the worst defense OSU will face this year.

    • uncanny says:
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      Even more depressing is EWU may be middle of the pack when it comes to the offenses we face this year.

      • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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        Or even the bottom of the pack because they’re at a lower division than the rest of our opponents.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    My brother who is a college football fan but has no team allegience (small business owner, no college) texted me and a couple of other Beaver fans, “You guys ready for a coach with backbone and a fight to win”?

    Although not a season ticket holder I have bought the 3 game packages in the past and try to get to at least a couple of games each year. I will not attend another OSU football game until Banker is gone.

  • Hellobeavers says:
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    I’m on board now. I don’t want Riley to leave, but I do want to see him change with the conference. I am happy with a team that is consistently competitive and occasionally pretty good (maybe that is mediocrity), but I’m not OK with being embarrassed and a laughing stock of college football two times in three seasons. Once may be a fluke, twice is a pattern.

    The thing is, I believe they’ll look at the film and make changes. The defense will ultimately probably be ok. But why the fuck can’t banker do that in fall camp? The defense will be good against teams that are a bit more traditional – stanford for example. But Banker must not understand how to teach and scheme a spread with a mobile QB?

    I never saw a single hit put on EW. The tackling was pathetic. We looked unprepared. This was illustrated perfectly when Stevenson was making a return – looked like he had some room to move forward but somehow ended up stopping and turned around facing the wrong endzone. Boldin looked scared amd unsure about returning the football too.

    Some of those throws and catches by EW were mind boggling. It looked like we were playing Oregon. Although I think we make Oregon punt sometimes. How about that late TD pass down the right sideline – ball looked like it was thrown over the wrong shoulder but the WR adjusted, stuck his arms out and it looked like the ball just stuck to him like a magnet. The guy didn’t slow a step.

    Not sure you can get rid of Banker now that the season is underway, and we’ll probably have a decent record by year end, but I hope Riley realizes that it’s time to make a change there. The PAC 12 is only going to get harder to defend as the new coaches implement their offenses and build up their personnell.

    Not so much mad about this loss as I am embarrassed. Which is far worse.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      After that performance I don’t know how anybody could say “we’ll probably have a decent record by year end” unless by “decent” you mean 5-7.

  • angry angry says:
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    Guys, the Beavs will blow out Hawaii next week and everyone will say “see, Riley and crew are the guys for the job.”

    This is how things work under these guys. They only motivate and put in the work when the seat gets hot. Then they do enough to cool it. Then they take a game or two off…rinse, repeat.

    • mckalk says:
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      Yup, EWU is better than Hawaii and SDSU got blown out by FCS Eastern Ilinois. I think the Utah game is the one to see if there is any improvement by the defense. Utah looks improved and beat a tough Utah St. team.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    DL: no pursuit, once you get outside the tackles or past the line of scrimmage they don’t even try to run after the ball carrier. Can’t get off blocks or have the speed to track them down.

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    I saw a show, I think online about a class that was held last summer bu Stanford on how to stop the spread. They had coaches from all over attending, including the NFL. They made it look fairly simple in their approach. I thought maybe it was a seminar that would have interested Banker. It defies logic, but the only explanation is Riley’s contract and his coat tails his coaches are riding on. I am going to have to spend more time watching the Hawks. I don’t know if that was the most pathetic defensive performance I have ever seen, but if it wasn’t, the worst was also choreographed by Banker.

  • locusimperium says:
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    I saw guys literally jogging near a play

  • alex says:
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    FWIW, I thought Nelson was more of a liability than Martin yesterday. Nelson was playing tentative and scared. When he was in position to make a tackle he would slow down rather than speed up- like he was terrified of overcomitting and whiffing. Instead, he wound up giving up huge chunks of yardage, if he made the tackle at all.

    No live tackling in fall camp made all the difference, in my humble opinion.

  • bigditch says:
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    Still sick to my stomach…..

    Defense better get it together or I will be sick all season long…..

    • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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      Banker better be sick too. So sick, that he craps all over his fancy rich guy sheets at night. Tired of being sick and tired!

  • G Joubert says:
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    Lack of scrimmages and contact in fall camp bites again. Why don’t we take a flyer on Dennis Erickson again? He’s available. Erickson is always available.

    • osbeavs says:
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      He has also stated numerous times that the biggest mistake of his career was leaving OSU. His wife wants to retire in the Willamette Valley.

  • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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    We are doomed.

  • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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    Fire Banker! Fire Booby D! Fire Robinson! Fire Mike Parker! Fire Mike Riley!

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      how about we start by firing just you?

    • scotty says:
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      Don’t shout “fire!” in a crowded message board; someone will get trampled

    • Jack says:
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      Yes!!!!!!

      We can hire a multi-cheater like Gary Campbell to hold down the fort while Cheater Chip gets shit-canned in Philly then waits out his show cause… for cheating.

      Then we can hire Ernie the cheater for hoops. But his cheating wasn’t proven by the NCAA… since they couldn’t investigate it… since all the cheaters ran away like chicken-Ducks (sorry… redundant). So we’ll call Ernie the Mexican Cheater.

      Bobby D was already fired. We’ve been paying Mike Bellotti under the table on some handshake deal… because that’s how we roll in cheater-world. But hey… we’ll can him too then make him the second highest paid public employee in Oregon… for three years… while he’s also getting a check from ESPN… second behind our newest hire… Cheater Chip.

      • Beaverbeliver says:
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        What does this have to do with our problems? Losing to 2 FBS schools in 3 years would NOT be tolerated in Eugene. We need higher expectations. Like Lloyd Carr at Michigan, Riley needs to go.

        • Jack says:
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          Just playing with Ducktroll. Nothing more.

          You should check the current thread. Your tiny-brained co-worker who used angry’s handle is trolling as Linus Pauling again.

  • Nak says:
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    Same old song and dance on Sunday night with the Nicest Guy in Football per other site.

    We have the scheme and the pieces to defend mobile QB’s but we’re just not solid enough in the scheme or some BS like that. Really Mike, you think? Six years plus not being able to contain spreads and mobile qb’s and that’s all you’ve got?

    It’s a given that he also said “we just have to move on and have a good week of practice.” Man, being a Pac 12 HC isn’t as tough as I thought…

  • thebeaverman says:
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    its on riley too no tackling in practice and every time its 3rd and 7 or more they throw a screen pass this has happened for 3 or more years

  • helmsley says:
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    Crikey! Even Colorado is on the upswing. http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_23996060/cu-buffs-rip-csu-rams-41-27-give

  • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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    I am so pissed watching teams like Colorado win. If we lose to Hawaii, this could be the start of something big brewing in Corvallis. I heard the Beavs are now on a NCAA watch list and could be demoted to the WAC or even D2 because football and men’s basketball has not been competitive for so long. All I can say is it better all be lies! Hello NCAA!! We just got a new logo, and Washington State hasnt been very good either.

    • Nak says:
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      As bad as yesterday and Sac St. was WAC and D2 is a bogus rumor. If it were in anyway true Reser would be torched.

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      obviously a troll since the WAC is not fielding a conference for football. Either that or the source of your rumor is completely full of shit. My guess is troll

      • Jack says:
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        Duck retread humor with all the intelligence of a Duck.

        “Who cares if 2+2 isn’t 73? I find what I write funny.

    • scotty says:
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      If Colorado and WSU didn’t get shut down after last year, I think we’re safe.

      Ridiculous rumor anyway

    • Jack says:
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      Wow.

      Not even original Ducktroll material.

      Then again, it’s not as if we expect anything mentally different from Duck High. Why would the worst *cough* academic institution in the Pac be expected to produce anything but an annual retread of what they think is funny?

      • LinusPauling says:
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        Jack and I are in agreement that OSU is the greatest academic institution on the planet!

      • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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        Hey Jack, you whiny little bitch. It’s an annual occurrence because annually the beavers find a way to lose in the most embarrassing ways possible. It’s almost impossible for opposing fan bases not to make fun of Oregon State.

        • Jack says:
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          Yes.

          We lose on the field in some strange ways. You lose in life on an annual, predictable basis. At least it’s annually displayed. For all we know you’re as constant a loser as you make yourself out to be here in your posts.

    • progressivebeav says:
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      Don’t feed the troll.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I asked Kerry eggers what it would take for riley to replace banker, “won’t happen” was his response. Sad you have to lose your own job because of somebody else.

    Does anybody remember Cazano saying banker deserved a HC job? I asked him and he said he never did.

    • mckalk says:
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      It seems like Canzano sent out something favorable when Banker was in the mix for the Hawaii job, but I can’t find anything online. If Egger said that Riley would never fire Banker, then he’s probably right. Eggers and Riley are close. But then do you think BDC would every fire Riley either?

      • scotty says:
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        We need Banker to get a head coaching job somewhere. Preferably at a school we hate but beggars can’t be choosers.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    So…Tyner jumped ship last time OSU shit the bed against an FCS school.

    Who will be the first to bail after this train wreck?

    A talented recruiter could spin this and land good DB and LB recruits with the promise of guaranteed play time :D.

    Also…

    WHERE THE FUCK WAS SCOTT CRICHTON?

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      They issued an Amber Alert for him after the game. Still no sightings. They are checking security vids at the stadium.

  • beav4ever says:
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    Our so called best defensive players Crichton and Reynolds were just plain bad. I was at the game and really didn’t know why we were so bad defensively until I came home and watched the tape. We were slower then EWU , we were out of position, we looked out of shape after the 1st qtr, we were outcoached and we looked lethargic. If you watch the film it looked worse then actually sitting through that mess, also we were lucky the score wasn’t worse as we got our asses handed to us. But golly gee we will keep working and try to do better cuz we have the talent and schemes in place to succeed , what we don’t have is Pac 12 caliber coaches.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    What is the difference between a Beavs team which beats Wisconsin and one which falls to EWU in the first game of the season?

    One BIG factor is the expectations/attitude the coaches allow the players to develop. Last year, no top 25 rating or stories about “easy body bag wins” for the Beavs; this year the opposite. The approach which is lacking is to treat EVERY game as one which requires an outstanding performance by each player. It is all about striving for excellence and not caring who the opponent may be. There seems to be no one on this staff who convincingly preaches this simple approach.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    One of my sons knows a former OSU football player (one of the stars of the team three years ago). At my request, my son asked this former player what he thought of Saturday’s performance against EW. The former player confirmed that Banker always teaches and deploys more or less the same defense and the same schemes, with only minor variations. He agrees with the commonly held view that Banker’s schemes don’t work well against spread offenses and running QBs, yet Banker still keeps teaching and deploying his same old (ineffective) defense. The former player (who shall remain nameless) said that he got so disgusted watching Saturday’s defensive debacle that he had to leave Reser early. For what it’s worth…..

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    It’s a Holiday and I am bored, I know this won’t happen but hypothetical. SInce Riley won’t change Banker then Riley needs to be changed. I know Decariless won’t do that either but if he did:

    Hue Jackson (I am thinking Jim Mora here) he currently is with the Bengals after losing the HC job at Oakland last year. Get Africian-American coach with NFL experience dying to get another HC job. Probably not a lifer, but who knows? Would need a major recruiter to help.

    Bobby Petrino (Western Kentucky)- I know he is classless and a cheat, but he can coach and probably can recruit the fertile grounds of the South. He probably would take the job in a heartbeat. He probably would stay until the end of his coaching career. Most people would pooh-pooh the hire, but it could be another Erickson deal.

    Mark Hudspeth (Lousiana-Lafayette) – thinking down South again, now he probably would not want to move away from a possible SEC gig in the future. He has done nice things in LA, would have good recruiting ties in the South. Probably would be around for a short stint until the SEC came calling.

    Nigel Burton (Portland St) – A Riley disciple probably wouldn’t work here, but he is a defensive coach, and is familiar with the university. His style might be appreciated here. He is youthful compared to other coaches out there.

    Tony Levine (Houston) – maybe Beavgopher can give us some inside info on him? He hasn’t done more than a 7-7 season with the Cougars, so the jury is still out on him, but if he puts together a good season then he might be the guy to get. He is out of Minnesota, has a coaching history in the South, would help recruit Texas.

    Bronco Mendenhall (BYU) – It would take alot for him to leave, but maybe this Independent thing will really grind on him? He is defensive coach, has Alumni ties here, and is used to recruiting the nation. I think it would take an incredible sells job, but I think it could be a good fit.

    Raheem Morris (Washington Redskins) – Another Jim Mora thought here, a life NFL’er probably won’t get another HC job in the “show” but wants to prove he can be a HC. Was the DC for Kansas St back in ’06.

  • uncanny says:
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    Canzano has an article up asking the same questions and echoing the same sentiment’s of four years of comment’s on this site.

    • mckalk says:
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      Canzano has apprerently been reading this site for four years, Angry should be getting a byline credit.

    • angry angry says:
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      Oh man, he’s ripping me off.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Wouldn’t surprise me if that is 100% true.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        He’s finally figured it out…he was a “mike-riley-is-a-nice-guy-good-for-the-program-rides-his-bike-to-work-and-waves-to-people” writer and is just a little late to the Angry party….

        The program UO-OSU divergence didn’t start in 09, it started when Bellotti got tired of the CW rubber match and hired Kelly; he was tired of the plateau he’d hit and took a chance to make progress.

        That it resulted in unethical actions and cheating tarnishes the decision somewhat obviously, but at least he wasn’t settling for what had become the new normal, even it was slightly better than what UO had been. OSU – BDC, Riley et al – clearly are.

        Imagine if Riley said 5 years ago “Bob, we need some fresh thinking, I want to hire ______ as coordinators.” Then Banker would have been free to go off and prove everyone here wrong and himself right. Or not.

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          I think the divergence started with Rich Brooks.
          He killed the Beavs, got the Ducks to their first bowl game in forever, won a conference title, and then passed the torch to Belotti. The seeds of Belotti/Kelly were planted by Brooks, though.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Why would Riley say anything about fresh thinking. He isnt about winning, he is about having a nice guy image, and that silly family atmosphere.

          Do you think Riley at halftime of the EW game, read the riot act to the defense? Not likely.

          Good for Canzano….he shucked off the nice guy Riley bull and told it like it is.

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            I think this public criticism of Riley, at least with this much ferocity, is unprecedented. Of course,
            the hidden sub-text is that puff piece journalism by the Oregonian and Corvallis paper has done much to foster this outlook.

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        absolutely. the only substantive point Canzano got wrong is that Beaver nation isn’t upset.
        Well, Angry beaver nation is!

      • mckalk says:
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        I mentioned the 17-21 record in one of my posts yesterday and there it is in Canzano’s article????

    • Numbers says:
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      Good. These questions should’ve been relentlessly asked by local media. Too bad Canzano is a bandwangon guy and will forget just like Angry has outlined.

      • mckalk says:
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        It wasn’t just local media, I sent a comment to Ted Miller at ESPN a few years ago criticizing Riley for his slow starts and got ripped by Miller. Basically, Miller was told me to appreciate Riley and shut up.

        • angry angry says:
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          Miller basically thinks OSU has no business winning games, so if they are shut up and deal with everything else.

    • wannabeav says:
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      told ya! Someone doubted me (see above) but I just knew Canzano wouldn’t miss
      this opportunity. And an explosion it is. This blast has the chance to change the paradigm.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    MR will never fire him, so we need to hope/ push for Banker to be “promoted” to a new position ala
    what they did with Locey in order to keep Bray. The GA positions are all filled with ex- players which sounds great, but it leads to inbreeding in the staff. Need some fresh ideas.

    • angry angry says:
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      You’d think someone would want to hire this “excellent defensive coordinator” away from us…
      *crickets*

  • angry angry says:
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    Read the “gary thorsen” comments here:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2013/09/canzano_oregon_state_fans_plea.html

    INSANE

  • Nak says:
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    I gotta ask this question although I’ve debated personally whether or not to bring it up since I read it.

    Anyone know if it’s true that the top administrator at OSU was attending another OSU game in Columbus, Ohio this past Saturday? I really hope that this was not the case and it’s an unfounded rumor by a troll. If there’s any semblance to he truth here we’ve got a major prob. To me that’s a major taboo even if it is your alma mater.

    Any insight?

    • dickassman says:
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      further proof that the higher ups dont care what riley does

      • Nak says:
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        If it’s true then we’re in a shitload of trouble… Decareless’ boss not attending the home opener to watch Braxton and Co!? WTF! Please bring back our former prez and Mitch Barnhardt!

    • scotty says:
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      If that’s true, that’s inexcusable. I don’t expect the pres to attend all our season openers or anything, but he sure can’t attend another school’s instead of ours!

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    i thought osu to uo was 40 miles

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Connor Letourneau (@ConnOregonian) tweeted at 1:35 PM on Mon, Sep 02, 2013:
    Coach Banker said that in retrospect, maybe the defense “tried to do too much” against EWU.
    (https://twitter.com/ConnOregonian/status/374631635989184512)

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  • dickassman says:
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    Reading that thread on olive (never go on there) I don’t get how usnews ranks Oregon State lower than UO. UO doesn’t even have a freakin engineering department.

    • LinusPauling says:
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      Jack and I agree that OSU is the greatest university on the planet!! That is all that you need to know!

  • uncanny says:
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    @ConnOregonian Banker added that the team spent a lot of time preparing for the pistol and read-zone attack, and EWU didn’t give them much of those.

    Well at least we know why the defense was so bad, they had no idea what offense EWU was going to run. Awesome!!

    • alex says:
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      I liked that comment – coupled with Riley’s “out of nowhere” comment about Vernon Adams – juxtaposed with Riley’s assertion that “It was not a preparation issue. Our preparation was excellent. We just didn’t execute.”

      • orangejuilus orangejuilus says:
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        Ah yes the famous…it’s the players fault line. Thanks coach

  • ReBEAVchainsaw1 says:
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    Who cares if you’re a top 25 team playing at home? Losing to an FCS school is funny to everyone except you.

  • Papes Only says:
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    Why does everyone think Mike Riley is a good coach? The only good coach that the Beavers have had in the past 13 years was Dennis Erickson. Mike Riley can’t coach, he can’t recruit and he will never win the pac-12 for a variety of reasons. He is far behind the other pac-12 coaches with a slow down offense and one dimensional quarterback that makes it easy for opposing defenses to defend. Wake up Riley, the new offense is the spread with a quarter back that can run and throw like Vernon Adams destroyed you with in week one 2013. The Beavers will never be an outstanding team in a Rose Bowl until Mike Riley either goes, improves his recruiting or switches to the spread. Until then the Beavers will continue to lose to lame teams like Eastern Washington and Sacramento State and destroying their own season before it even starts.

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