09.Dec.2013 Beavs in a Bowl Game: good or bad?

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My feeling is that if they received an invite they should take it, but I was hoping they wouldn’t get the bid. I feel Riley deserved that embarrassment after his embarrassing finish.

A win would have the psychological effect of spinning this as a winning/positive season, and since those of us who want change are fighting 9/10 of our fanbase for said change, positives become negatives. This is a sad position to be in because some are left rooting against the Beavs. I personally refuse to do this, and figure given another year or two of Riley, the staunch supporters will become defectors. You can only put lipstick on a pig for so long–time is a Cassandras best and only friend.

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  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Good for the administration, coaches and players as they get a free paid vacation in Hawaii. Imo the players are the only ones who are deserving of this. Them and the coaches wives.

    Bad because this for sure extends riley’s contract by another year.

    The to be determined is: will OSU be further in debt when it’s all over? If OSU does end up being further in debt then BAD.

    • helmsley says:
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      Clarify, please. Does the AD pay for the coaches wives on this jaunt?

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        I don’t know. The bit about the wives was an after thought and there was no intention on my part to imply that they get a free ride. However, if there are empty seats I don’t see a problem with letting the wives and kids have them.

        It would be interesting to know how all of that is handled.

  • carltogr carltogr says:
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    Win the damn game!!!!

  • dickassman says:
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    Have any other teams played twice in Hawaii in the same season?

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    For those that are worried about “rooting against the Beavers”; the longer you watch your favorite sports team the more you get away from really having to declare whether you’re rooting for them or against them in any particular game, because it doesn’t matter.
    Since our hopes that either the Beavs win or lose have no bearing on the outcome of the game then you need to step back and look at what you’re saying, or more accurately, why you’re saying it.
    My answer to your question is, a bowl game is good for the Beavers in the short term because it gives more exposure to the program and more practice time for the team. It may be bad for the program long term if your hopes are that poorer performances will mean a quicker replacement of Riley. (I am in this camp.)

  • DPE says:
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    I’m not fully convinced that the majority of the OSU fanbase will start turning against Riley if he was to be .500 the next two seasons. (Hypothetically) Some people have their heads so deeply buried in the sand, I don’t see any way they will voluntarily come up for air.

    Case in point: I was speaking to a fellow Beaver the other day who is part of the “older” fan base. I listened to him blubber about how Riley has had multiple 9 and 10 win seasons since he was hired and downplayed Erickson’s Fiesta Bowl run as being built upon Riley’s first few years. He has no shroud of belief that Riley is the problem.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    My view is that nothing much will change until BDC leaves. Best case is BDC leaves before the end of calendar 2014. In that case, I suspect MR may follow BDC out the door (because MR won’t want to stick around for another rebuilding cycle after Mannion & Co. graduate, especially if BDC is no longer around to protect MR and his under-performing buddies Banker and Langsdorf).

    Because I believe it won’t make any real difference (see above), I am glad the Beavs will be playing in the Hawaii bowl. While it’s often a frustrating experience, I still enjoy watching most OSU football games, and look forward to watching the game against Boise State on Christmas Eve with my family in the comfort of our living room. If the Beavs fail to show up, we’ll just turn off the TV. If the Beavs do show up, it should be an entertaining game.

    The big event, for me, will be BDC’s departure. The rest is just a sideshow…..

    • wannabeav says:
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      I think this is right. We’re in a pattern of circling the airport until the runway clears with a new AD. The best we can hope for, long term, is the avoidance of more FCS face plants and 3-9 seasons that, in effect, turn the clock back to 1997. In the short term, I’m glad there in this game. it will be good to see “oregon state” on the ESPN “crawl” for a fortnight, which is good association. It will probably help recruiting, such as it is, on the islands. on the other hand, a loss, especially an embarrassing one (which, perhaps, by definition is ANY loss to a team with an interim coach, prospectively Riley’s second in one year) is an oddly ironic replay of the civil war; that is, “the worst possible outcome”–an extension of Riley’s contract and nothing but embarrasment to show for it. In this context then, this game looms as one of the most significant of the year. Will Riley have them ready? Will they show up to play or enjoy practicing in shorts and shirt sleeves (not a good early indicator, there)?

    • scotty says:
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      ss055 for AD… you usually make the most reasonable sense.

  • Salem Beav says:
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    First off, I think bowl games should be for at least 8 win teams. What did OSU do this year to be in a bowl? Maybe for stadium expansion we need to start the “Depends” got nothing else going bowl at Reeser, and invite 6-6 teams.
    I think all this discussion on Riley leaving is moot at this point. If I were in his shoes at 60, guaranteed 7 or more years at 1.5 M per year, I would dig in for the long haul even as the conference door mat. This is money Riley can write checks on.
    Now I don’t believe Riley’s coat tails extend to assistants or AD’s. So could a new AD fire all the assistants and hire new ones without Riley? If you wanted someone out that seems a way of making it uncomfortable. Does anyone have any idea if there has been a coach with Riley’s contract forced out before the contract ends without huge buy out. Has there been anyone in CF that has ever had a contract similar to Riley’s?

    • wannabeav says:
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      there will be no stadium expansion unless there is a succession of 8-9 win seasons. not gonna happen. The new AD will have to finish the stadium too.

      • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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        Is it the the fault of the AD or the fan base?

        UW decided to expand their stadium in 2010 for $280 million. In 2010 they hadn’t been in a bowl since 2002.

        UW raised $50 million in donations and $200 in bonds for Husky Stadium. The extra $30 million was added in later for luxury boxes so I’m guessing more debt.

        We apparently got $33 million donated and $50 million in bonds for the $80 million expansion of Reser in 2005.

        Doesn’t that right there show the lack of confidence OSU fans and administration have in its ability to create a winner? UW hadn’t had a winner for almost a decade but still invested heavily in their program. OSU fans and admin both show no interest in doing such.

        Isn’t this a bit of a catch 22? Fans want more achievement before donating but more achievement is unlikely without more funds. From 2006-2009 we had 10, 9, 9, and 8, wins. Was there any push to build donors then?

        • wannabeav says:
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          There wasn’t a push back in 2006-09, though I’m sure in retrospect BDC wishes now he had. As for UW, you’ll note those plans for expansion improvement weren’t launched in the Ty Willingham era, but when prospects seemed (and were) improving under Sarkisian. That’s the difference between UW and OSU.

        • Jack says:
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          That’s a perfect indictment of the current AD. Not capitalizing on current success for anything (even “feel good”) successful means our AD is doing less than treading water.

          There was a plan in place when Bobby D took over. That which was funded happened. That which was a vision of a past AD didn’t even get a chance to stall.

          OSU alumni are primed for a focused plan. We have yet to be presented with one.

          Take that for what it is.

          PS: I would like for Reser to be developed as a multi-use venue. I see little value in a venue which holds six or seven events then has to compete for an additional three. It is absolutely acceptable that we create a boutique venue which can handle many purposes. I feel we’re not set on this ideal right now.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Bowl or no bowl, show-up-for-bowl or don’t-show-up has no effect on BDC’s willingness to manage change. Riley isn’t going to be asked to make any changes this year (e.g. coordinators), and his job is in no jeopardy. BDC is willing to eat the tickets to send the beavers to a bowl.

    I tend to think that after Mannion’s gone, and the next, inexperienced QB starts a 2-3 year run of, at best, .500 seasons, that people will call for change. Then I’m reminded that Riley will play the youth card, and BDC will let him.

    It would be nice to see the Beavers show up prepared and play “well” in all phases of the game…but I say that every week…

    • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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      “I tend to think that after Mannion’s gone, and the next, inexperienced QB starts a 2-3 year run of, at best, .500 seasons, that people will call for change. Then I’m reminded that Riley will play the youth card, and BDC will let him.”

      Agreed that BDC will let MR play the youth card (or any other card MR chooses to play). Put another way, BDC will continue to protect MR no matter what. Which is why, in my view, nothing will change in any significant way until BDC retires. But once BDC leaves, we may see real change happen in a relatively short time frame (including but not limited to MR’s departure).

      So, go BDC. Really. Please go….

  • scotty says:
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    6-7 here we come!

    Well, maybe we have a shot since we’re not facing Petersen.

    • helmsley says:
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      Boise State will have things to prove – that they can win without Petersen; the leftover coaches will be trying to excel; players will want to impress recruits who are now on the fence and show that it’s still worth it to come to Boise State.

      And Boise State has coaches who know Riley and, probably, how to defeat his teams.

      Win or lose, nothing will change for the Beavs except 2013 W-L record.

      I don’t expect the Beavs to win and if they do, what difference will it make to anything?

    • wannabeav says:
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      on the surface Boise state should be demoralized and that would be an equalizer in favor of the beavs. On the other hand, if the interim guy rallies his troops for a “let’s show him” (Peterson) game, it could be another embarrassing faceplant. That’s why I say this game is more interest than it appears on the surface.

  • mb says:
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    Guys and gals, the bowl games exist because they provide a great source of income for the folks who put together the event. It’s a free country and if someone wants to sponsor a 1-11 against a 0-12, that is their choice. However, buyer be aware, the way the bowl folks make money (and they do) is by tagging the teams, schools and fan bases with tickets, hotel rooms etc and getting plenty of kick backs. I know of a director for a certain Northern California bowl game that makes a good chuck of his yearly income thru guaranteed ticket sales, hotel kickbacks, advertising and more related to a game that does not have a capacity crowd and is not a major network event.. Nothing is wrong with this scheme and it will not change until both coaches and ADs are held accountable to run self sustaining programs. The escalation of coaching salaries, the proliferation of uniform types, the creation of gigantic stadiums that are only used 10-20 times a year are all signs of the end of a bubble or era. We are watching the housing bubble all over again and the market at some point will be correct itself. In the mean time, the Hawaii game may be great entertainment, but it will cost an arm and a leg for the privilege of creating the illusion that OS is keeping up with the neighbors.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    It’s good. Since the coaches and staff appear to be impervious to fan disappointment/expectations, going or not going to bowl game wouldn’t change the direction of game planning, coaching focus, or staff through the spring and summer/fall camp. No coaching changes will happen unless someone gets hired away. Whether Riley is embarrassed or not won’t change what he does through the off season. BDC is hands off, so he’s irrelevant. An extension on Riley’s contract doesn’t matter because he’ll retire before then.

    The team gets a nice trip, extra practices, and I get to watch my team play another game=good.

  • slamadam says:
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    I’m relieved they’re going if only because of avoiding the embarrassment that comes with not receiving an invitation. I’m with Angry though that while you can’t just turn it down if somebody offers you the invite, the beavers not going at all wouldn’t have been the worst thing. If they lose again to a team who’s coach just left coming off the worst season they’ve had in a decade or so it could serve as mounting evidence that Riley’s best years are behind him. I do hope they win though, as sad as that is that I feel the need to clarify.

  • Bob says:
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    Going to Hawaii is the best possible scenario that the Beavers could have fallen into. A lucky, undeserved break.

    Did anyone else hear the Chris Peterson press conference on the radio show today? By the time he was done, I had a sick feeling in my gut that we really missed out. The man was impressive.

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      I think there was probably only a handful of jobs Peterson was going to leave BSU for. And Oregon St wasn’t one of them

    • Mb says:
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      Worst possible scenario. Flight cost the most. Room and board cost the most. No sponsors. No chance for a big crowd. Time zone conflict with live tv advertising. Superior opponent. They already mine Hawaii talent thereby abandoning exposure in new talent markets. They have zero chance for braking even. This is pure near do well royalty rewarding themselves with a free vacation at your expense. Suckers.

    • wannabeav says:
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      yep. huskies lucked out there. Perhaps a generation’s worth of good fortune. As for “luck of the Beavs,” our good fortune is ephemeral (a 6-6 team going to Hawaii) and with a loss, potentially, simply bad luck in disguise (coach extension, etc)

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        Petersen is a great coach, but I feel for the guy in a way:
        He’ll have to win back-to-back-to-back national championships, never have less than a ten-win season, and find a cure for cancer to live up to all the hype. And it’s not his fault.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – Not that I care about this award, but the Final Heisman list surprises me a bit. McCarron? I’d still put Mariotta up over him…even with two losses.

    http://tracking.si.com/2013/12/09/heisman-finalists-florida-state-jameis-winston/

    How is Cooks looking in Biletnikoff voting? Be nice of him to get it before he leaves….

    • Riko says:
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      He won the online vote. I believe that counts as one vote in the final tally

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      The only voting we can see is the fan voting and, as Riko said, he won that by a pretty good margin. His numbers completely blow the other two away but places like Bleacher Report still have the Clemson guy winning.

  • FireBDCNow says:
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    I know this. The 95% if fans who left the UW game late in the 3rd quarter and early in the 4th were made up of more Pollys than not. Probably almost 65% Polly and the other 35% have seen too many head scratching moments they are open to the thought and accept it possible that OSU could do better as the majority of us here acknowledge as certainly possible.

    I believe overall the fanbase is pretty close to 50-50 right now between Pollys and those ready and very serious about change. Some want new coordinators and others for OSU to be ready to move past Riley if the situation warrants as 1 winning season out of 4 should have a program serious about winning ready for atleast some change. Other coaches at places like Texas etc have been forced to hire new coordinators.

    News is Justin Wilcox is interviewing for HC at Boise State tomorrow. He has been suggested as a good OSU target to take on the upswing while very doable. BDC has missed a good chance but may get another in the next 2-3 years if Riley continues to struggle.

    Many are very tired of the aw schucks schtick and want a more energetic coach that the vast majority of the base will rally around. Riley will only be more devisive if he continues to struggle. Since that horrible BDC contract he has gone downhill and rather significantly. If the next couple years aren’t clearly better alot more will be ready for cgange and the atmosphere will be very like the 3-9 season. Rilet has already had so long and as a Pac-12 job we will gave qualified and intetested candidates. We just don’t want BDC interviewing them.

    As soon as BDC is gone things will get better. Riley then will have to produce as goals will be in place and better communication about stadium improvements etc. When the new AD shows he is serious about our major sports then you either compete at a higher level or make room for someone who will.

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      It seemed like there was a brief period where the goal was to compete for Rose Bowls on a regular basis, but that went out the door with the expansion and two divisions. I couldn’t tell you what the goal is now for football.

      With basketball, we get this vague “make it to the NCAA tournament”, but that’s not realistic. I’d settle for CR being given the goal of finishing at .500 in conference play for starters.

      The problem is that specific goals come with clearer accountability and BDC is not going to go for that.

      • wannabeav says:
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        I remember, with nostalgia, when the OSU football post-game show was called “the run for the Roses.” The closest we have now to stated goals is “growth of the team” (fine, in and of itself, but one common to every like enterprise) and getting to a “good” bowl game, which riley evinces from time to time. From that we can deduce, de facto, that 9 wins is the goal, ironically, spot on angry’s win cap total.

    • wannabeav says:
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      just for the record, in my section I saw people leaving with 9 minutes left in the SECOND quarter. Concur with your math. Riley’s leash is getting shorter. Just one bit of micro-evidence–Parker on the Joe Beaver show today said OSU MUST run up big numbers on Portland State next year. for him, that’s a big step.

  • Huh says:
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    OSU’s underperforming coaches that are retained every year:
    Mike Riley (including Banker and Langsdorf), Football (we know the past few years’ win-loss records)
    Terry Liskevych, Volleyball – winless in Pac-12 play for 2013 season, very poor showings last few seasons
    Craig Robinson, Basketball – can be debatable, he is a good recruiter but a poor coach
    Emily Ford, Women’s Rowing – 8 years as coach…Last place in Pac-12 (out of 7 teams) last season…was Pac 12 Coach of the Year in 2009 but has went downhill since then. BDC throws so much money into that sinking ship program.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Rowing = title IX = waste of resources because it is very expensive. They have done the same at Minnesota. PC nonsense. Come up with a less expensive sport that is not a drag on what pays the bills. Flame away!

      • Jack says:
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        There’s no flame required.

        The SAs you attract when you have such a program can be world-changers. They can be future revenue streams you never could get from that baseball kid who goes back home and runs a feed store… or that corner who becomes a social worker.

        While everyone has value in society, some sports bring loyalties completely different from the short term values you fail to address. What I think of you now is that you think something pretty which won’t last is just fine with you. You have no vision for the future, and you really don’t like women.

        Am I wrong?

      • Jack says:
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        And why does “PC” always get repeated by people who are given every advantage other than PC?

        Do you feel so inferior to everyone else that you need to pick on false parameters? When it comes to PC, the term, “all things being equal” is the key parameter.

        I don’t know why stupid people continue to repeat stupid catch phrases created by a media who is vested in making a profit from “informing” stupid people.

        I just don’t know why that all happens.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Jack, the term politically correct originated in the Soviet Union and refers to towing the party line so as not to get sent to the Gulag. Chill bro.

          • Jack says:
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            Whaaaah?

            And here I thought it was a lazy term thought up by lazy people in the majority making up excuses for their sub-standard work/services being accepted before better said work/services could be had by harder working people in the minority.

            I guess that’s a silly way to think since women are an actual majority… not that anyone would know that… you know… because it’s so PC.

            Whenever I hear someone use the PC card, all I hear is excuses for failure. Do better and succeed. Forget excuses.

          • Jack says:
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            Soviet PC and the gulag… lol. That’s actually the first time I’ve heard that. I can’t wait to see it come to fruition in stupid’s argument on the other blogs I attend. I imagine I’ll be calling up Godwin’s Law. Maybe we should call this one Godless-win’s Law?

            You know… because the Evil Empire was godless? Right?

          • Jack says:
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            I can’t believe it’s been 25 years since the Soviet Empire fell, and we’re (ok… somebody really stupid is) coming up with shit like this.

            I almost think I could make a mint making up better lies… almost.

            Aaaaaand… none of you will get that reference since you all (by all I mean some) pretend you’ve read the unmitigated crap written by Rand. That makes this all that much more meaningless.

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            I’ve only read the mitigated crap by Rand.
            And why hasn’t she come out with any new books lately?!

          • Jack says:
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            Lol!

            Because it wasn’t in her interest to do so?

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            Ha ha BG, you got SERVED! (by Jack)

          • Jack says:
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            Let’s not go there.

            I’m sure I’ve served him somewhere along the line.

            Wait.. where are we going with this?

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Last place in the PAC12 doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a bad crew. The top 6 PAC12 schools were ranked in the top 14 and even though OSU wasn’t a top 20 team they did receive votes in the poll.

      Men’s crew finished the season ranked 19th.

      • Numbers says:
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        Out of how many teams?

        • steveEbeaver says:
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          Well, I didn’t find that info but did find out that Men’s Rowing is not an NCAA sanctioned sport even though it’s one of the oldest intercollegiate athletic competitions. Women’s Rowing is a sanctioned NCAA sport (title IX implications I’m sure). Wikipedia says there’s about 2,000 male rowers and almost 7,000 female collegiate rowers. Interestingly both the University of California’s and the University of Washington’s rowing teams have won Olympic Gold Medals.

        • Jack says:
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          There were 86 D1 teams last year.

          • JohnBrown says:
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            How much do the rowing coaches get paid annually?
            I believe they are given a car. I also know the men’s coach was given a contract extension recently because he has improved his teams, but the women’s coach was not.

  • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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    What in hell are we all talking about? Hellloooo Hawaii Bowl! Nothing quite like Dwight Jaynes and Lindsay Schnell in swimsuits. We might as well all suit up too, because any true blue booster has taken a huge bath on the good money paid for donations, fees, and tickets. The only person dumb enough not to understand this is Riley himself! Well? Now its time to take your own medicine, beeeoootch!

    • Jack says:
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      About all I got out of that is that you would like to see Jaynes in a swimsuit.

      Good stuff.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Are there any potential impact recruits in Hawaii that OSU is pursuing?

    Riley took them team into a barrel of shite and came out smelling like a rose, or at least a

    Really, Hawaii was the best they could have hoped for; enough of a destination that it might attract a few fans (though I suspect only a few) and they what is probably an appropriate level of competition. Also, doesn’t OSU have a home and home scheduled with BSU in the next few years?

    I expect BSU to be highly motivated to prove they can win without Peterson, I fear OSU will take this as a vacation and play sloppy on D and revert to poor run blocking and a on-dimensional offense.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      “or at least a dandelion.”

    • wannabeav says:
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      Boise State owes OSU a return game for the close of the 2nd home and home series in 2015 or 2016.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Hmm. In their last 4 bowl appearances, BSU has defeated UW, ASU, Utah, and TCU.

    Looking at some of their individual numbers (e.g. BSU WRs on OSU CBs) this looks like a decent match up.

    Curious about Demarcus Lawrence (19.5 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks) and if neutralizing him will be difficult?

    Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/12/09/2917525/hawaii-bowlboise-state-8-4-vs.html#storylink=cpy)

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      FWIW This is something I posted a couple of days ago on the previous thread. If their pass D can keep OSU’s passing game under control it could be a long day. In case you couldn’t tell I’m known for stating the obvious.

      ——————
      The BSU interim HC is no stranger to Riley and OSU as he was the defensive coordinator at Cal from 2002 – 2009.

      SNIP
      “…The Broncos have finished each of the last three seasons ranked in the top-20 nationally in total defense since Gregory’s return to Boise State. The Broncos finished second in the statistical category in 2010 (254.69), 16th in 2011 (320.85) and 12th in 2012 (315.62).

      The team also finished second-nationally in scoring defense in 2010 (12.77), 12th-nationally in 2011 (18.69) and eighth-nationally in 2012 (15.77).

      This past season Boise State also ranked fifth-nationally in both pass defense (169.46) and pass efficiency defense (101.35), and 11th-nationally in sacks (2.92)….”

      http://www.broncosports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bob_gregory_843436.html
      SNIP

      Hopefully OSU has finally gotten their running game going.

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        so what you’re saying is their D is gonna own our shitty O-line? Am I reading that correctly?

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          Based on empirical data gathered during this season it would appear that there’s a possibility the OSU rushing game could be ineffective. Then again……..

          I’m thinking about running for office (NOT!) so I’m practicing up on my politico talk.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    As I was looking for information about Demarcus Lawrence I ran across a video of Chris Petersen’s 1st press conference at UW.

    I’d seen comments about how impressive his remarks were so I watched all 21 minutes of it. They were right.

    Chris Petersen on Washington job: ‘It was just time’
    http://blogs.idahostatesman.com/chris-petersen-on-washington-job-it-was-just-time/

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    Anybody else see the headline of Dirk K interviewing for the BSU job?

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    I see it as the more poor performances by the team, the faster change might come. Change is clearly needed — no way I can see Riley as having actually applied himself in recent year.

    But a year like this one is not what will do it. I bet Riley could ride out a string of such seasons until his contract runs out. So winning or losing at Hawaii wont tilt the balance much.

    Prediction — BSU coaches actually scheme for a win, and get it. OSU coaches go for a nice vacation and get it. But then I was surprised at the level of coaching effort at UO. Maybe there should be a lottery, start of each season — what games will the coaches actually apply themselves?

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    From Peterson’s press conference:

    “We’re going to play smart, fast, physical .. football, there’s no doubt about it. We’re going to recruit awesome kids here.”

    Whoa there cowboy, better let those kids FIND their identity, don’t tell them how to play.

    “I talk to our players all the time about getting out of your comfort zone, taking challenges, putting yourself at risk a little bit, and growing. The only way you can do that is to take on different things. It’s human nature to not want to get out of our comfort zone, but if we stay there all the time … if you’re not growing, you’re going backward, so here you are.”

    Paging BDC…Paging OSU Football Coaching Staff…

    Read more here: http://blogs.idahostatesman.com/chris-petersen-on-washington-job-it-was-just-time/#storylink=cpy

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    S-I’s Stewart Mandel ranks the Hawaii bowl #19 out of 35(!) bowls.

    “19. Hawaii (Dec. 24): Boise State (8-4) vs. Oregon State (6-6). The Beavers lost their last five games. The Broncos lost their most games in eight years, not to mention their head coach. This being the bowl business, somehow both teams will end their seasons in Hawaii, not Albuquerque.”

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20131210/college-football-bowl-rankings/#ixzz2n6IrmlII

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Rumor about Mack Brown stepping down. MR already has a house in Texas. Hmmmmm.LOL.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I have as much trouble getting my head around Texas even considering hiring riley as I do the possibility of there being a gazillion parallel universes. 🙂

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      But… maybe it’s the best they can do?

      • Sorry says:
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        the stupid name stuck because I wasn’t paying attention.

      • whatever says:
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        Wait, why are you me?

        • Jack says:
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          It was a lapse. I went purposely dumb for one post and forgot to police the handle when I posted again.

          And that purpose wasn’t to mock you. It was just to duplicate a thought from handle to post. I apologize if you were slighted.

          Then again… now that I think about it, it’s just not a good handle in the first place.

  • Jack says:
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    better

  • Bill says:
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    Teams should always go to bowl games if they can. OSU doesn’t have enough pride or history to refuse an invitation.

    It probably has an insignificant effect on the season and the next season but has bigger ramifications down the line. What should recruits think when they see a program turn down postseason opportunities? They don’t know the history of the program nor the current feelings of the fan base. It would seem to me that it would negatively affect the program down the line. Opposing programs would definitely use it against the Beavs. The Beavs are a middle of the road program right now so turning down a bowl game can only produce negative results.

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      You just don’t turn down a bowl invitation period. This isn’t similar to a hoops team refusing a bid in a tourney starting with something other than an N. While you are still bound to pay more than you are set to earn from any said bowl, a refusal says to any future bowl that you are willing to mabe refuse them as well. And that says to them that you aren’t worth their time.

      I hate the bowl system anyway. So refusing crap which costs us more than we’re going to receive is just a crap move anyway.

      That being said, my Duck wife has asked fi we wanted to got to Hawai’i for Christmas. She cares nothing for the Alamo Bowl. In fact, she’s really pissed at players on her team for not wanting to go to the Rose Bowl. She thinks they deserve no bowl for that whole thing alone.

      I love my wife.

      But she says she doesn’t want to go there for the game. That and hoops would be all for me.

      Yeah… I see that favor to be repaid later staring me in the face! She gets a vacation, and I get to suffer Beaver-ball in the name of me having fun.

      Still… we might go. If we go a week early we can catch the end of the Pipe Masters. Then we can go visit friends on Kauai for another week.

      I’m torn on this because she doesn’t really like my old navy buddy that much. But she does love his wife. And somehow she loves Hawai’i.

      Go figure.

      I think there’s less thought put into it if we were to move there than if we were to just go on whim. I’m so cheap that anywhere else would be a no-go. But some good huli-huli sounds really really good right now.

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        Geez Jack, you get negatives for just discussing your possible vacation plans! Tough crowed!

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          I suspect there is a mole in angrybeaverdom – maybe BDC’s wife, someone on the team, a pollyanna, Lindsay Schnell – who goes through the posts and thumbs down any remotely critical ones. (and Jack said he might want to go to Hawaii but not the bowl game) I did wonder why there was a negative vote for my question about coaches’ wives trips to Hawaii being paid for by the athletic department.

          • angry angry says:
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            I noticed this, too. It’s BION and his cronies.

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            Oh… you don’t know how tired I am of games at Aloha. Without fail, comps will be passed out to military personnel like candy. And they’ll take it because nobody turns down comps from their non-coms… unless they want to be comped some weekend watch.

            And maybe 10% of them will go… maybe.

            Most likely they’ll end up in some Waikiki bar like Rose’s and end up explaining to some Philippino wife of some dude on deployment how things might go wrong from here… umm.. from there.

            But at least said subject can find good pie all night long.

            *that’s not a euphemism

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            I give that a +1. I’m always down for some good pie*

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            I’ve spent many a Friday/Saturday o-dark-thirty at Anna Miller’s. And I would rate that as only average pie in Hawai’i. I don’t know what it is, but there are so many good pies to be had there. It’s almost ridiculous, and yet most of those places sell out before you can get some.

            Some food trucks are the best there are. You just have to look for where they’ll be. I haven’t been there to try a new one, but I’m told Sweet Revenge is a must. Ani’s is also great for breakfast… and it’s close to the stadium.

          • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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            mine was a euphemism

          • Jack says:
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            Mmmmm… euphemisms!

          • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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            Lindsay is a total drama queen twunt with shitty journalism skills. Thumb down that fatty!

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            Thumbs down for unconstructive personal attacks that hurt the cause by lowering critics’ credibility

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        Jack, va-kay the week before, see the game before coming back. That way if they lose you won’t be depressed on your vacation days lol.

  • Huh says:
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    Cooks will enter the draft. Congrats to him. Best receiver to ever play at OSU. Thank you Brandin.

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      Smart.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Cooks evaluated the prospects of next year’s team vs ….. and decided to enter. I don’t blame him a bit.

      Thanks for playing @ OSU Brandin, it’s been a pleasure to watch you. All the best.

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        It’d be pretty impossible to top the year he had. His stock probably won’t rise any.

        And I he probably saw what happened to James Rodgers…

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      Crap

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      source? Not saying I don’t believe you though. His stock is probably sky high right now

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      We didn’t want him anyway.

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        You made me laugh so I had to give you a +.

        That’s been the mantra for a lot of the fans whenever a kid decides to go to another school.

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    We must live in the dark ages and worship black magic and Lord of the Flies. Everyone is so concerned about what someone else will think and what image this sends. Do we live in Ancient Rome and worship hundreds of deities? As my friend Francisco would say, call a spade a spade. This is a grandiose reward for mediocrity, a giant soccer trophy for participation. Is it possible to motivate an American other than including pure bribery and graft? Thank you taxpayers of Oregon.

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    Hey Angry: I hope you find this now buried within this thread but I think I came upon the oldest instance of “Lucy Van Pelt” style football and I thought of you immediately. I’m reading about Arctic Exploration and came upon the story of John Davis who, on a voyage in search of the Northwest Passage (Davis Strait is named after him) spent the summer of 1586 at the southern end of Greenland waiting for the ice to clear (Little Ice Age). Anyway, Davis writes of the native Greenlanders (Inuit) who they intermittently trade and fight with but on one occasion “they did wave us on shore to play with them at the football [!] and some of our company went on shore to play with them, and our men did caste them downe as they did come to strike the ball.”

    Hey, maybe the 40th bowl game next year should be in Greenland.

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    If the Beavers beat Boise, people will say they should have beaten the blue turf step child. If they lose, people will laugh. This is the proverbial lose lose situation. Great planning to play a team highly motivated to prove they are real citizens rather than undocumented aliens. Unfortunatetly Chris Petersen would not have been a good fit. He played JC football.

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    I haven’t seen an official report saying cooks is declaring for the nfl draft…insider info?

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      Maybe we do want him?

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      It may well be true that Cooks is leaving, but It would be nice if sources were documented. If a poster is going to “break news”, you would think they could take the time to put up the link or else clarify that they are speculating.

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        No kidding. Huh was the one who said a week or so ago that Jovan Stevenson was getting arrested. Crafty troll he is

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          he said cited, not arrested. big difference between the two. And anyone with an emergency services scanner in the Corvallis area would know if police interacted with him

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        I Imagine they’re reading his twitter and drawing conclusions:

        @BCooks4 8 Dec
        Always enjoy it while it last. Blessed with one more opportunity! #blessed

        ?@TaylorRooks 17hours
        @BCooks4 Can’t believe you leave today. Super duper proud of you, chocolate chip! (I’m still going crazyyy)
        ?@BCooks4
        @TaylorRooks tell me about it. Internet is my enemy right now lol

        @BCooks4 11hours
        My whole life I been praying for a life like this. Well God said here you go son, now take it and run with it. Don’t look back for no one

        It sounds like he flew out last night for the Home Depot Awards show that takes place tomorrow, where they announce the Biletnikoff Award. My guess is he’s just been talking about that. If you didn’t know about the awards ceremony, I could see where you could jump to the NFL conclusion. I wouldn’t think he’s made the decision of wether or not he’s leaving early yet, but again I know nothing and now am drawing my own conclusions.

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          Fwiw, he was quoted in some article earlier in the season (when we were winning… yeah… a long time ago) as saying he promised his elders he was going to get a degree before moving on. I’ve heard nothing different since that time.

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          IF anything, he should get a draft evaluation. If it says first round, go. If not, then consider another year. Right now he’s sitting around the #4 or 5 WR (depending on who declares) in the draft which places him in the 2nd round.

          I imagine his height will work against him. I would love to see him stay and be the all time WR leader.

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            All he needs is 10 catches for 713 yards in the bowl game to own all the records at OSU.

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            consider it done

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            He should leave. Can you imagine getting a career ending injury playing for Riley?
            And considering he leaves players in for extra abuse whether up/down 30 points just increases the odds.

            Obviously we (myself included) all want him to stay since we’re selfish and only care about OSU next year, but it’s not in his best interest. OSU degree is not worth a ton, and he can get it over time while in the NFL.

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      I liked that DePaul was #3 considering that we just lost to them…

      I know that I am much more lenient than most on here, but if the basketball team fails to show any progress again this year I will be in total WTF mode.

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    There is a variation of an old proverb that that goes something like this. Give a man welfare and he will feel entitled forever. But teach a man how to fish and he will never allow the river to get polluted. There were several things coaches and Ad could have done, in light of a 6-6 season, to create buzz, to motivate players/recruits and to honor supporters and taxpayers. They could: 1. Arrange a trip to Vancouver, hold an interactive clinic with Canadian prospects and then play an exhibition against Canadian college all stars. Perhaps first half could be American rules and second half Canadian rules. I bet they could get that big indoor stadium for free. 2. Arrange for a trip to Mexico and play an exhibition game while passing the bowl game middlemen. Again, I bet that they could get use of a Mexico City or Guadalajara stadium for free. 3. Arrange for a trip to Samoa. Have players stay with Samoan families. Hold a clinic. Donate football equipment and end it with a scrimmage. 4. Send a select group of upper classmen to the Phillipines to work on a school, to donate and perhaps play a flag football game against US servicemen. 5. Solicit ideas from Angry Beavers. Of course this would require planning and work. If you are going to spend money, make it an investment rather than a grandiose reward for mediocrity.

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    S-I on Mack Brown at Texas:

    “As the clock neared midnight on Monday, Texas Coach Mack Brown sipped a drink at the Peacock Alley Restaurant in the Waldorf Astoria hotel lobby. He sat at a large table next to the Texas Athletic Director Steve Patterson, the man essentially hired to replace Brown.”

    Isn’t the first sentence describing the setting so illustrative of where this sport has gone? Granted, there’s nothing wrong with adults staying up late and discussing business, and I understand there’s a football foundation event there, but the opulence I think puts people and their decisions so far out of the context of where their issues start – on the field, as employees of a university – that it’s unsurprising that their answers and actions are unresponsive to their (the) original purposes of collegiate athletics. Sure, we understand that big programs like Texas, and DI football in general, is viewed now as a revenue generator, but a sentence like that is so telling to me, maybe without the author even trying to be.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20131210/mack-brown-texas-longhorns-nick-saban/#ixzz2nBkJAVj2

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Does anybody think Koetter could be a good hire at OSU? I know his ASU resume was dissappointing, but I wonder if his larger body of work makes him a viable candidate?

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      uhhh, no. Lackluster results at ASU with better players than OSU had. Pass

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      I’m not buying Koettter… or Hawkins for that matter. Atlanta’s offense has gone to pot this year as well. I’d rather have Mike Nolan off that staff. And he’s a Duck. Another pro assistant I’d be comfortable with would be Linehan. And anyone on the defensive staff at Seattle? Quinn, Seto or Norton Jr.?

      If Riley retired tomorrow… or disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle or some such… I would probably take a run at Scott Shafer before he becomes a hot coaching commodity.

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        Another darkhorse candidate, David Yost at WSU. Used to be the OC and asst HC at Mizzou. Good rep as a recruiter.

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    With Harsin being hired at Boise seems like BDC could still get a golden chance to hire Justim Wilcox in the next couple years if Riley doesn’t get his act together soon. The bowl game will factor prominently in the offseason if Riley fails to win. 2 more years would be 15. I think BDC will blow this chance but I think it may be there and may be the exact BeaverJuice we need at that time. OSU needs more excitement and energy. Fanbase is stalling out and Reser Phase 3 needs more oomph behind it to have the Timbers like atmosphere it is capable of with a higher energy coach. That is the only way we start beating the Ducks in some Civil Wars this decade.

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      Is Wilcox technically still the D Coordinator at UW, or interested in retaining the position, or is he kind of untethered right now?

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        He has the connection to Peterson, so odds are he stays.

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          Which sucks for us.

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          Damn!

          Until you said it, I didn’t even realize Pete and Wilcox are going to be back together. And now they’ll have a bunch of talent left behind by Sark.

          @%#*^!?$ UW!!!! First they’re lucky to lose Sark, then they get Pete?

          Karma is dead.

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    BTN has a series where they look back at championship teams and interview the ex players and coaches. Last night they had one on the ’79 Gopher hockey team coached by Herb Brooks, the man of the the 1980 Miracle on Ice Olympic fame. A funny thing about coaches setting expectations. On the preview show before the season he was asked about the expectations for that year and he said
    “to win the the national championship.” The interviewer was take aback, and said “that is a pretty ambitious goal,” to which Herb Brooks replied, “it’s not a goal, it is a guarantee. This team will win the national championship.” This was coming off two underwhelming seasons. The other thing they talked about was how he totally changed the style of play to match how the Russians played, which was based on finesse, speed, and passing, instead of the Canadian style, which was thugs on ice.
    He did that with the Olympics in mind to test and fine tune his new approach and have core group set up for the Olympic team. I could see Pat Casey doing similar things, but not MR.
    Another funny snippet was one of the star players telling about signing his LOI in his parents living room and when Herb Brooks was leaving,he shook his hand. With his parents standing right there he says, “this is the nicest I will ever be to you. From now on I’m going to be a mean son of a bitch.”

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      If the NHL got serious about the rules and started ejecting, fining and suspending players for fighting… and got rid of the red line and auto-icing… it would be a watchable product. I haven’t watched an NHL game since the 1996 finals.

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    Beavs the only underdog…..hillarious!!! Never back a Beaver into a corner (or a log)….

    http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/66717/pac-12-should-roll-through-bowl-games?ex_cid=espnapi_public

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E73Jyf2Dzb0

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      Ted Miller is wrong, the Beavs are 2.5 point favorites.

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        OSU started as the ‘dog but it appears the money has been coming in for the beavs so the line has shifted in OSU’s favor

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          My site has them at -3. Riley was quoted as saying winning in Hawaii was “essential.” That was good enough for me to throw down $250.

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            Want to buy some swamp land LOL?

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            I’ve got loot in an off shore account that I’ll never see. Wrote it off a long time ago, but the Beavers’ record ATS is over .500 every year….so I keep plugging away, growing the account every year. Someone in Nigeria will eventually have it all anyway…

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            Every now and then I get an e-mail from somewhere in Africa giving me the opportunity to make a lot of money and all I have to do is….. fill in the blanks.

            Possibly your funds?

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            Very well could be! I keep hoping to open my email to find a message from them telling me they’re not really a betting site, just a place to take money from suckers like me…then just take my money and disappear. Put in $200 back in 2004 or so. Still playing with that initial ” investment.”

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            A buddy of mine has gone to several bowl games with his winnings. But he never bets the Beavs when they’re favorites.

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            Smart friend.

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    So with Jonah Bolden off the board to UCLA, Jeff Garrett gets an offer.

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    Has Beaverkman given up on his ra-crutin updates? Anxious to know which diamonds in the rough
    are ready to be cut and polished by the master gemologists Banker and Langsdorf.

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      This was my busiest time of year Open Enrollment for Medicare. That is over now so I should have more time. However, I am not excited at all about the recruiting class, mainly because they can’t compete for any top recruits. I have a sour taste in my mouth, I may get back into though. Don’t hold your breathe.

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    “…and polished by the master gemologists Banker and Langsdorf….”

    I just threw up in my mouth but it was only a little bit.

  • Jack says:
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    Cooks won’t make any decisions until after the bowl game.
    https://twitter.com/brantparsons/status/410902623446118402

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    Cooks receives 2nd team All American spot by USA Today. With 2 WR’s ahead of him on the first team, doesn’t look good for him to win the Belitnikoff award.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/12/11/usa-today-sports-all-america-college-football-team/3954557/

    • Bill says:
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      Cooks got jobbed in this list. As I listed in a previous post, there’s no way he doesn’t win the award.

      Compared to the other finalists, he’s a clear winner.

      The final stats –
      1. Cooks – 120 rec, 1670 yards, 15 TDs. Plus 188 rushing and 2 TDs.
      8 100+ games. 2 200+
      Worst game – 80 yards and a TD vs Stanford.
      2. Evans – 65 rec, 1322 yards, 12 TDs. No rushing stats.
      5 100+ games, 2 200+
      Worst Game – 8 yards vs Mizzou
      3. Watkins – 85 rec, 1237 yards, 10 TDs. 3 yards rushing. No TDs.
      7 100+ games, 0 200+ games.
      Worst Game – 19 yards vs South Carolina State.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Saw that Andy Petersons mom passed away yesterday. Can’t imagine going through that as a college kid.

    Andy Peterson ?@AJ_Peterson1 19h

    Rest in peace Mom. I love you with all my heart. She went peacefully a few minutes ago.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    Dude got Hekkered

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    The Fisher Automotive El Toro Bowl?! For shit’s sake, how did I miss this perennial classic?!

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    So I’m thinking this might be too little too late. But Coach Rob has taken the extended break in play to actually find an identity and instruct his team to become it. We have so much length on the team, and we’ve looked like a real hoops team when we feed the bigs… as opposed to putting four guys on the perimeter with one high post. We’ve actually been running a short corner offense which has looked really good. Why we went away from it ever is just a mystery. Keep putting the ball in the middle, space the floor and see the passing lanes! Now that I know they know how to do it, they better keep doing it.

    That short corner offense, btw, should be familiar to people in this neck of the woods. It looks identical to what Danny Miles has been running forever. If Coach Rob starts running a variation where guards and wings start taking the high post position, then all hell might break loose.

    Anyway, this is playing with the advantages you have. It’s playing to your personnel. And it’s what any coach should do always. Like I said, it might be too little too late, but at least it’s a step in the right direction.

    Now we just need to stop the opponent.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/oregon_state_beavers_rundown_b_21.html#incart_flyout_sports

    • ean says:
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      The offense is somewhat efficient it is the defense that needs a ton of work.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        +1 gazillion

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        With all respect to your being 100% correct, there is a certain method to the inside-out game which contributes to our defensive effort. It’s very similar to going out on a football field and making ground beef of your opponent with three yards and a cloud of dust. You are imposing your will, and you’re telling them they will not beat you with strength and size. And the effort they waste trying to stop you on one end lessens their effort on the other.

        And just like that run game in football, you have to say you’re going to do it first. Then you have to go out and do it while you have the soft part of the schedule queued. You have to will yourself to do it when nothing else is right. You learn to do it in your sleep.

        Then people notice that you’re good at what you said you would do. And that feeds your mentality that you can continue to be good… and even great.

        I’ve been waiting for this to happen for a while. But first we had the “point center” who had to touch the ball to his shoes before he made a trey shot motion that would last a four alligator count. Then we went through the Magic Barkley years and tried to run and gun and find secondary breaks… and stood around for another 25 seconds if none of that worked.

        Why it took five years to figure out playing closer to the hoop initiates better shot selection is beyond me. But even the team has only done it sporadically. Now we’re getting a definitive statement from the coach challenging his team to shove it down everyone’s throats. Maybe it has to do with the “rules changes” which make hoops revert back to the days it was hoops. Who knows? I’ll take it.

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    Just saw my good friend’s son, Travis Swanson, is a finalist for the Rimington Trophy for the best center in CFB. That is awesome. Four year starter and two time team captain for the Razorbacks.

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    Ohio State player almost says dick during interview. Freudian slip?
    Amir Williams caught himself from saying something he would have regretted
    FOXSports.com? – 10 hours ago

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      fansided.com/2013/12/11/ohio-state-almost-said-dick-live-tv-video/

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Amir Williams Almost Said “Dick” On TV And It’s Hysterical – Deadspin
        deadspin.com/amir-williams-almost-said-dick-on-tv-and-its-hysteri-148163…
        20 hours ago – Amir Williams had 12 points, nine rebounds and six blocks in Ohio State’s 86-48 pounding of the Bryant Bulldogs. After the game, Williams was …

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    Our prayers are answered, Riley to coach Portland Thorns!

    “At first I hesitated at the idea of coaching another sport, but when I realized all the players are ‘Beavers,’ I thought what a neat deal it would be. Banks and Langs and I are really looking forward to the post-game ‘Hip! Hip! Hoorays!” said Riley with a lewd smile, moving his hips left to right and back and forth.

    “I’m going to really have my work cut out for me; there’s a lot more tight ends to coach now” added coach Locey in a deadpan.

    OSU Athletic Director Bob DeCarolis, clearly and deeply saddened, followed by announcing that OSU was terminating it’s football program, as he could not see how anybody but Mike Riley could recruit to Corvallis and coach the football program to a .500 record. With the impending absence of a Reser tenant, BDC hopes an agreement can be worked out where the Thorns would play annual exhibition games against OSU’s women and men’s soccer teams in Reser. “Mike will always be welcome at OSU.” Said DeCarolis, visibly fighting back tears.

    Oh, wrong Riley. Damn.

    ….http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/203941-paul-riley-takes-over-thorns

  • whiskey soaked naokins says:
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    Congrats to Brandin Cooks as the Biletnikoff award winner

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    given his comments, I think there’s hope he might stay.

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      where are you reading his comments? or was he interviewed on tv already?

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        interview after he won the award said after the season was over he would sit down with his family and coaching staff and then make a decision.

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        Kevin Hampton ?@HamptonKevin 3h

        Cooks was asked about the future, said he’s going to sit down with his family and coach after the season #gtsports

        https://twitter.com/HamptonKevin

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    Not that he ever lacks for motivation, but I suspect Cooks will be wanting to continue to show why he deserved the award when the Beavs play in Hawaii. Hopefully that will positively impact Mannion as well…

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      I suspect he will try not to get hurt. Can’t blame him.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Apparently Cooks margin of victory was a single vote. He won the popular fan vote which i think counted for 1 vote, so he was fortunate so many Beav fans voted for him

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      If so, even more impressive because osu probably has a smaller fanbase

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      I was reading the Cooks article at O-Live and it was funny the venom pouring out of Duck fans in the comments section about this.

      I guess no “natty” for the team and no “heismy” for Mariota have made them just slightly bitter and now a Beav getting a prestigious national award is the last straw!

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    Cooks will be off to the NFL if he talks to an agent and the conditions are right — he doesn’t have to prove anything else to anybody, but maybe finish his degree and possibly get injured — there’s only so many miles you can put on a body in football. Usually “….he’s going to sit down with his family and coach after the season.” means he’s going to call-up an agent and prognosticate how far he’ll go in the draft, consider the cash flow. I think he’s good, but he won’t be a game breaker in the bigs — look at what happen to Mike Hass. Hopefully Cooks stays to get his degree….but I don’t think he stays. I think it’s time to start priming Malik Gilmore.

    Go Beavs!

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      Cooks will be a very good pro because he has elite speed to go with almost perfect technique.

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      There’s some other kid, Jordan Villaman (Villman?) a 6’4″ 240 lb “man-child” WR who is supposed to be “a blue chipper of an athlete” according to Kerrry Eggers, can’t remember the kid’s name, but couldn’t practice this year due to academics, will be a RFR next season

      Gilmore may become good, but it sounds like this other guy is the next impressive athlete at the position (Rodgers/Weaton/Cooks).

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      I don’t think you can compare Hass to Cooks. Cooks has NFL speed, Hass didn’t.

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    Cooks is going to wait and see how much cash boosters will slip him… this being OSU he probably is going to get more cash going pro.

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      Jared Cunningham suggests that staying your senior season may not be a bad idea.

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        Corey Benjamin sez go after your sophomore year

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        Cunningham got first round money. I doubt he regrets his decision. His lack of PT IMO has more to do with his style of ball dominant play combined with the fact that he is not elite enough to play that style at the NBA level. There is only room for 2 maybe 3 guys with that high of usage on NBA rosters. Cunningham might not have gone in the first round either if he waited a year. He will have a long career overseas. I think he made the right call.

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      He’ll get some McMenamins coupons

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    O-Boooooom for the 2014 Biletnikoff. Vote early and often.

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    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/five_questions_about_boise_sta.html#incart_river

    Lindsay seems to be borrowing angry’s format.

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      I don’t think the format is unique to this site, but regardless of where she got it, it’s an improvement…

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    To go along with Cooks, Isaac makes College Football News’ hallowed “All Sophomore Team:”

    C Isaac Seumalo, Oregon State
    Following in the footsteps of Duck Hroniss Grasu, Seumalo is the second straight center from the state of Oregon named to the All-Sophomore Team. Seumalo has been the starter inside since the moment he stepped foot on campus, showcasing the maturity, know-how and fundamentals of an elite Beaver recruit. A year after being named honorable mention all-league, he’s elevated to the All-Pac-12 Second team. ”

    http://cfn.scout.com/2/1355971.html

    “an elite Beaver recruit?” Yep, another one o’ them…

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    I just sent Ted Miller, ESPN Pac-12 blogger a note. Brandin Cooks wins a major award and no ESPN recognition. What gives!

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      Miller spends hours defending Riley’s coaching, but when one of Riley’s players wins a major award he can’t get off his ass and get something posted?

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        Maybe it’s because of all the national awards won by Pac players. He just needs time to compile the list and give a comprehensive write-up.

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    http://www.waltercamp.org/124th-walter-camp-all-america-teams-announced

    Now this is a good All American team selections. And it counts.

    The USA today team doesn’t count in the eyes of the NCAA. The AP, AFCA, FWAA and sporting news have not yet announced theirs yet. Cooks should be at least a consensus choice (named to at least 3 teams). Like Poyer last year.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Cooks draft speculation: A good 2nd round target for Washington:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/washington-redskins-three-early-targets-2014-nfl-draft-215200154–nfl.html;_ylt=AwrSyCRjT6tStSoAReRNbK5_

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      He would look good catching Aaron Rodgers’ passes. No to the nightmare in Washington.

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        Agreed… or a security blanket for a Brady, Russell, Luck, etc. He’s like a bigger, stronger and faster Wes Welker.

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          Remember when Brandin was coming in he answered some of our questions. And he answered the same thing on stage when he was receiving the award for being the best receiver in college football. He has consistently said he loves the YAC plays where he gets the ball in traffic and peels off the defenders.

          His TD that was called back is the epitome of that love. That highlight will be seen by pro scouts before all others as the one that puts him on their roster.

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          I think he could be like Ram’s wr’s Bruce or Holt, or were they significantly faster?

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            Bruce and Holt were decidedly not YAC guys. They were vocal about getting down after the catch.

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            I thought what they did well was gain separation by coming back to the qb (which some disdain) then having the quickess/speed to turn that separation into positive YAC. Cooks seems like similar size/speed to me.

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            Holt and Bruce would duck as soon as they caught the ball over the middle. I’m not saying that’s not smart. But it’s what they did. On their fly, flag and post routes they would stay upright… for obvious reasons. But they would duck and dive for a couple yards whenever they had traffic.

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            Warner was pretty good about keeping the ball low over middle to those guys.

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          Jamarcus Russell?

  • Bill says:
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    http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-12-12/sporting-news-all-american-football-team

    Cooks makes the Sporting News All american team. 2 for 2.

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      Isn’t there 4 AA teams? Jordan Poker (damn spell check) went 3/4, correct?

      C ‘ Mon Cooks, get consensus….

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    Here is some recruiting news on the visitors for this weekend.
    http://247sports.com/Article/Key-visits-for-Oregon-UCLA-Washington-USC-Cal-and-More-166069

    Both OL, it would be huge to get one of them. Pretty competitive though.

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      I have seen Hedelin play twice over 2 years. He is pretty good but not necessarily the best guy on his own line. There are good line prospects playing down the road from Corvallis this weekend in the California State JUCO Championship. There are also home run threats at wr which OS needs desperately. Beavers have signed 2 qbs that look good. But there will be a qb in the JUCO championship, a freshman, that may be the best qb prospect at Butte since AR, and they have had 3-4 Div 1 qbs after AR.

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      Better get the first guy who is also considering the Fadgers. A win win for me.

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    Lindsay has answered the question of why Casey can recruit to Corvallis and Riley can’t. It’s simple, “Corvallis is a baseball town, through and through”.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/live_chat_talk_oregon_state_fo_9.html

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      makes total sense since it never rains and baseball isn’t played in the rain

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        did anybody ask her if she’ll be taken off the Beaver beat next year? I feel like she spends more time talking about how nice her trip to Hawaii will be than sports.

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          She is an idiot.

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            I went to school with her. Same major. If I could call a girl a “douchebag”…she would fit the bill. She lied in that article about not being a fan. She’s a diehard Beaver fan and an alumni.

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            *alumnus

            We know she’s a liar. She does nothing but toe the party line. And the party lies.

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      And it has nothing to do with Casey winning, even with rosters that can turn over quickly as players go pro.

      No, OSU is not a destination for top athletes. It was a baseball town before Casey and will remain so even if his successor has a .500 winning record.

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      @ Lindsay LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Keep blowing smoke girl. Apparently that’s all you’re good at.

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      Isn’t it a gymnastics and wrestling town too? Can’t attract competitive talent though…

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      that’s ridiculously funny because Goss didn’t even have lights, as I recall, during the Erickson era when, indeed, Corvallis was a football town, “through and through”. I think she’s reached an all time low with that reach.

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    Would anything be different if Schnell suddenly starts saying that Corvallis isn’t a barrier to getting more 4 and 5 star football recruits?

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      It matters because many fans take that line at face value and adjust their expectations accordingly. It’s part of the system that keeps our fan base complacent and happy with 6-7 win seasons and no shot at a BCS game. Can’t tell you how often I’ve heard that sentiment echoed.

      For what it’s worth, it’s true Corvallis is one of the more difficult destinations to pitch in the PAC 12. But it can be done, and it’s also not the worst – that would be Pullman. Eugene’s really not any better other than the crazy facilities and recent winning tradition. And Tucson is nothing to get excited about either. Point is, there are clear examples even in our conference of good recruiters overcoming geographical disadvantages.

      Will we ever have a recruiting class that goes toe to toe with USC or UCLA. No. And that’s OK. But we ought to be able to stock up on solid 3-stars, with a handful of 4/5 star wins per class. And most importantly, minimize the projects on scholarship. That’s what preferred walkons are for.

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        Even the Ducks recruiting classes have not been that great considering their success in the past few years. And the facilities, support of Nike, and recent success are probably huge to many recruits… OSU has nothing to compete with those.

        Rivals rankings:
        2008: 19
        2009: 32
        2010 13
        2011: 9
        2012: 16
        2013: 22
        2014: 30

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      She would start telling the truth. That would be different.

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    Boise State introductory press conference of Bryan Harsin.

    I was impressed with what the athletic director and the president had to say.

    I also found coach Harsin’s comments interesting. He didn’t seem to pull any punches with what he had to say.

    http://www.broncosports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/121213aaa.html

    Based on what I saw of the BSU president and AD, it sure seems like OSU could do better.

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      and this brings us to the corollary of the head-shaking nonsense addressed above (e.g., “Corvallis is a baseball town”; I mean really, how DOES someone get away with that?) and that’s the notion that no “big time coach” could ever be attracted to OSU because of salary/visibility/tradition etc. Riley himself was on both occasions of his hiring at OSU an assistant elsewhere. This is why I’m very ambivalent about Riley leaving before DeCareless does because we can’t count on Bob doing the right thing, which would be to bring in an up and coming assistant coach from elsewhere. Every instinct I have tells me that if for whatever reason Riley retired (cause he won’t be fired) the job would be offered to Banker.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    @ Angry A thread for tonight’s BB game?

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Live Men’s Game Link:
    http://pac-12.com/videos/oregon-state-university

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    The tallest man on the UAPB roster is 6′ 8″ and they only trail the Beavs by 4.

    Make that by 2.

    22 to 20

    OMG

  • FedUpBeav says:
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    If OSU somehow loses this game DeCareLess better be fired by Monday. Absolutely disgusted by the administration’s piss poor excuses. BDC must go!!!!!

    Only 36-32 at half. Not good enough!

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    @ Beaver Byte

    I’ve gone to the Pac-12 website and don’t see the link for the basketball game so I’m wondering how you found it? Seems like this is something that would be really good to know.

    TIA

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Looks like there is a capacity crowd of 350 at Gill tonight. #Beavernation!

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      You can hear voices echoing like you would in an empty building.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        You can hear voices echoing like you would in an empty building………..

        You are right.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Ugly game. Pointless to be playing such low level competition. Does nothing for Pac-12 play. The few hundred or so fans there were a lot of oldies in their 70s. Just like BDC likes them. Satisfied with anything so long as the sham of family atmosphere surrounds the losing product. It is a shame that these 70s year olds only have around 10 years of life left on average and have had to live their entire existence pretty much this way because of the likes of DeCarolis and Schnell who think OSU “does it the right way” and that they have “the right coach”.

    This is a garbage product right now and if our fanbase is okay with his sh*t then they deserve it. Man does BDC have us as lethargic and accepting of this crap as possible. The ESPN writer was right in that this fanbase is top 2 worst in the nation for putting up with consistent garbage.

    PLEASE OH PLEASE WILL SOMEONE REMOVE THAT FOOL DECAROLIS !!!!!!!!!!!

    @Mud&Sticks. Got the link from the MBB twitter account.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Thanks again Byte. What does MBB stand for?

      Agree with your observations. Playing games against lesser competition is pretty much worthless except for the W/L record. In fact, imo it’s counter productive because the team is not gaining experience playing against good players.

      The team didn’t look good against a team that was much shorter than the Beavs. I did not see any improvement in the technique of the players so CR is still not teaching the necessary fundamentals.

      Since the link is working for the women’s game I’m going to get my first opportunity to watch them.

      Go lady Beavs!!!

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        First shock. The team was huddled up before the start of the game and it looked like the entire starting lineup is taller than Coach Rueck. Am I seeing that correctly?

        2nd shock: I went to the OSU women’s basketball page so I could get Rueck’s name correct and noted that he has some nice looking ladies working for him.

        Way to go coach!

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          and unless you are at least 6’3″ the “nice looking ladies working for him” are taller than you are too.

    • angry angry says:
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      What espn writer wrote or said that? Link?

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    Clevand paper has lengthy article on Poyer, seems like the organization and media see versatility, potential:

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/12/small-town_jordan_poyer_hopes.html#comments

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    Wow, bet this one’s going up on the wall of Gill:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/oregon_state_basketball_eric_m.html#comments

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      They always have these reasons/excuses for their head scratching play (I think they take there cues from CR). Moreland has been unavailable for how long now and it’s just occurring to the team that others might (besides Collier) need to take up the slack on the glass?

      And it’s kind of scary that they need inspiration from Moreland of all people who has continually let the team down. If I could create a bizarro world, I would love for Ralph to have these guys for a couple of weeks and also give his post game critique of their play. These guys need a dose of reality and they’re not getting it from their psycho-babble head coach.

      Towson looks to have decent team, I half expect them to beat the Beavs again based on everything I’ve seen excluding the Maryland game.

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    S-I opines on why UO wasn’t a good fit for Sugar Bowl; won’t travel well, bowl challenged to make money without local sponsorships, etc. “bowls are a business, its about making money.”

    Also states Sugar Bowl preference was probably for a team on the upswing:

    hhttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/ncaaf-video/20131209/2013-12-09-clip03.sportsillustrated/

    I’m disappointed that with all of the other award announcements, S-I has no article on Cooks’ award listed on front page – wouldn’t necessarily expect a photo and it being a banner story, but I would expect to see it along the sidebar stories.

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    OFF TOPIC – WAY OFF TOPIC

    A friend sent me a link to a rather raunchy video about testicular cancer that’s been shown on TV in the United Kingdom (see below).

    In the comments following the video someone mentioned that a pregnancy test can detect testicular cancer. I’ve done a Google search and it appears that it’s true. The story apparently got a lot of media coverage so this might be old news to you. We haven’t had our cable hooked up for years so I hadn’t heard about this. I’m sending this just in case you haven’t heard of it either.

    seht1912Wednesday, December 19, 2012 – 10:14

    I hope the following helps; from the Phuket News recently, this report:

    Joke Pregnancy test leads to discovery of cancer. “Pregnant women produce the same hormone as men with a certain type of testicular cancer”

    Users of the popular social news website Reddit helped a young man diagnose his testicular cancer after he posted a humerous comic poking fun at his positive pregnancy test.

    The user, Cappn Poopdeek posted the comic to explain how his male friend had jokingly used his girlfriend’s pregnancy test to find that it came out positive…….Turns out that a doctor at the University of Texas confirmed the link, as the body produces high levels of human chorionic gonadotrophin in times of pregnancy and when certain cancerous tumors appear. A pregnancy test can detect the hormone. News reports say that the user’s friend subsequently was admitted to hospital where doctors confirmed the existance of a tumor in the early stage of cancer. The testicle was then removed.

    From: King
    Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:02 AM
    To:
    Subject: Fwd: British Health Commercial for Testicular Cancer

    Begin forwarded message:

    British health commercial for testicular cancer…!

    You’ve gotta luv the Brits……!!

    Only the Brits have “the balls” to make a health commercial like this one. Heed the advice, have a check-up!!

    MCAC: Rhian Touches Herself
    http://adsoftheworld.com/media/tv/mcac_rhian_touches_herself

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      That is just nuts, or in this case………nut.

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      I went through a similar range of emotions watching that, as I did during the last 3:00 minutes of the Civil War this year. Excitement, followed by a feeling of cautious optimism, followed by nausea.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – Fan-made video of Spartans and Rose bowl, takes from the movie “300.” Apparently, Michigan State is referred to as “Little Brother.” They state the return to the Rose Bowl is 25 years overdue….

    http://extramustard.si.com/2013/12/13/michigan-state-300-video/

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    DJ Alexander out for bowl game due to neck surgery.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/oregon_state_football_dj_alexa_1.html

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      The long term issues he’s had are kind of disconcerting. I suspect he’ll try to go pro, but maybe he ought to “hang ’em up,” at least after college.

      I think this could be a challenging game and good development opportunity for Saulo, and he’s likely to get a lot of snaps next year.

      How did Noland-Lewis do at LB, wasn’t he a converted safety?

      AND Mannion coming back next year.

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    I don’t normally post, but wanted to share this fwiw.

    A good friend lives in Seattle and attended an OSU business meeting for Alumni (I knew OSU hosted those meeting in Portland at the MAC, didn’t realize we apparently do the same things for alumni in Washington)

    Here are his responses/notes from attending the meeting, asking BDC very specific questions during, and a follow up 1 on 1 conversation.

    **”I have decided that man needs to be fired immediately. For example, football season tickets make-up the largest source of revenue per his numbers and I asked a really simple question – how many season ticket holders are there currently and what’s the goal each year as it relates to your 5 year plan? Response, “I don’t have answers to any of that.” My follow-up, “So you don’t have a 5-year plan, you don’t have goals, or you don’t even know how many season ticket holders you have.” Bobby D., “I only know roughly how many season ticket holders we have – approximately 23,000.” If I’m Ed Ray or better yet, on the Board of a major company and my CEO can’t answer a question such as this, you are fired effective immediately. How do you not know, at a minimum, how many football season ticket holders you have??? That number should be burned into the brain.”

    After asking these questions to BDC, he had the following 1 on 1 with BDC.

    **I pepped him for 30 minutes one-on-one after the lunch. One thing I asked him is about OSU gear in the inability to find things compared to other teams (in general). He made a bunch of excuses and then said, you can find everything online. I laughed and asked him when the last time he looked at the website. It’s terrible. I told him that if he was smart, he would look into building an API and plugging into Amazon and leveraging that business exposure and model. He looked puzzled. I also asked about Nike and he told me that he has no control over that and I understand that. One thing that will be a big improvement this next year is that there will be free AT&T wifi for provided to all carrier phones. So no more connection problems in the stadium. Bob then bitched about how cell phones are ruining the experience for fans. I told him that instead of complaining about it – complaining is not a strategy – he needs to embrace it and start building fan experience mobile aps. Maybe something like pre-ordering concessions so you don’t have to stand in that god awful Qdobe line for 30 minutes.

    Anyway, wanted to share with this forum. I don’t personally know or have met BDC – so I generally take the criticism of him on this site with a grain of salt…but the conversation noted above would suggest that he isn’t the answer we need moving forward.

    Hope you guys have a great Christmas and thanks to Angry for running this site and those who post on it. Go Beavs.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Navy wins.

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