30.Dec.2013 Riley Comparison

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Interesting post from pure-orange via ObjCritic. Apparently some of those retards are finally questioning Riley (blind indoctrination…it’s like Ben Bernanke only recognizing the housing bubble in late 2008 during meltdown and then still denying the causes).

The first 6 years:

won/lost was 31/22 (won 58% of games)

won 5 bowl games

2006 finished with AP ranking of 21st

2007 finished with AP ranking of 25th

2008 was his best PAC-10/12 record of 7-2

2008 was his best end of season AP ranking of 18th

2008 was the 3-0 (Kahut field goal) win over Pittsburg

The last five years:

won/lost was 23/25 (won 48%)

won 1 bowl / lost 2 bowls

2012 finished with AP ranking of 20th

Even some of the posters there are questioning the direction of the program and Riley’s processes and methods.

This recruiting class doesn’t look particularly special, and looks weak at need areas of DT and LB, but I’d defer to nformed assessments by Beaverkman, SS, Jack….hopefully from the 2013 class Hunt, Scott, and Onkwonko can deliver at CB, Jarmon/Villamin/Bolden at WR, the JC DTs + Grimble will contribute and Alexander/Doctor will improve and stay on the field…after next year though, opportunities for program success look to be declining.

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  • steveEbeaver says:
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    The 2008 Civil War ended Riley’s fire. You go into the game with the best chance of seeing the Rose Bowl. You’re at home, a 3 point favorite and get blown out by 27, giving up 65 points.

    It was the worst day of Beaver football, ever.

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      IIRC there was a flu bug that hit the team the week leading up to the civil war. And many players were not at full strength and still recovering the day of the game. Not using that as an excuse. Just saying, luck o the beavs

    • angry angry says:
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      I actually think the 2009 Civil War broke him, mentally.

      • helmsley says:
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        Are you saying Oregon State’s football coach is mentally broken? Scary, to be sure.

  • Denial says:
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    Mike Riley was at the Alamo Bowl tonight per a tweet by someone there…I can’t find the tweet (yet) but a couple different sites are talking about it. I know he has a house down there.
    I’ll keep looking.

    • Denial says:
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      I can’t find anything. Maybe someone else will run into it, or perhaps it was just someone being an idiot.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        someone on edick wrote something about it. I wouldn’t take anything written on that site as gospel

        http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=128&f=1423&t=12524961

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Considering Riley has a house down there and spends time at that house in the off-season, it would almost be weird for him to not be there.

        • Cvo Beav says:
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          OSU does a lot of recruiting in Texas, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was down there.

        • oneoldbeav says:
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          Also, Riley is a trustee for the American Football Coaches Association (possibly a past president?). Mack Brown is the current president.

          Combined with his home in Texas and a desire to recognize Brown, I could see him attending the Alamo Bowl. I certainly hope it is a quick visit and not the beginning of an extended period “reviewing film” at his Texas home!

          BTW, Yahoo reports Wilcox officially named DC for Sark, leaving Aliotti’s spot still unfilled.

          http://sports.yahoo.com/news/usc-adds-wilcox-tuiasosopo-sarkisian-032933694–ncaaf.html

  • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    ugly end to the first half for ASSU in the holiday bowl. Debils not doing the Pac-12 any favors tonight

    • gobeavos says:
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      Todd Graham is such a tool.

      • wannabeav says:
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        you’re kidding, right? He might not be the best coach, or the most likeable, but he’s accountable.
        Comments after last night’s game; in response to a question about the team’s lackluster performance: “It’s not the players fault, that’s why they hire coaches, to get your guys ready to play. We didn’t get our guys ready to play and on the other hand the other [team’s coaches] did. I was embarrassed for our fans that showed up today that we did such a poor job of having our guys prepared to play . . . . We just didn’t show up as a coaching staff and didn’t have our guys ready to play.”

        Just ONCE I’d liked to see that kind of ownership from Riley. As Vince Lombardi once said, young men respond to leadershp, and they’ll follow you anywhere. Graham exudes leadership.

        I recall his interview on Sirius XM before this year’s game with the Beavs. He said “I think we have an edge in talent; the only way we lose this game is if we get outcoached.” He needn’t have worried.

        • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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          ‘well we had a game plan, the players just didn’t execute it.’

          • whiskey soaked naokins says:
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            or haven’t found their identity yet. Who knows, maybe ASSU lost their identity last night after too much partaying

  • GoBeavs82 says:
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    Would love to see a similar summary for BDC. I believe that the data would show how the AD has failed to make fact-based staffing and program decisions. BDC’s peers in the PAC12 seem to pull the trigger much quicker.

  • Denial says:
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    Via Twitter:
    ?@aimalarsalla 26 Dec
    Per @TonyPauline, Brandin Cooks is heavily interviewing agents. Says very likely he declares. Going through final phases of agent selection

    • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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      Nice! That will be awesome, he could be the next Mike Hass, James Rodgers or Sammie Stroughter in the NFL. Keep putting those record holding Beaver-receivers on the map. Tough to break through in the pros but I could see him being similar to Steve Smith at Carolina. I just hope that storm finally can consistently pull his head out of his ass next season so we can have more balance.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Brett Smith, Wyoming dual-threat QB from Salem, Or, to declare for NFL draft, some projecting him between the 2nd adn 4th rounds depending on who else is available:

    http://college-football.si.com/2013/12/27/wyoming-brett-smith-2014-nfl-draft/

    Anybody remember OSU going after this kid? Or was he just not judged to be Pac material coming out of high school?

    This is not looking like a particularly good year for Mannion to declare for the NFL draft, though if he doesn’t improve against upper Pac competition I don’t think he’s going to improve his stock next year. At his current level of play, he looks like another Riley second day guy/clipboard holder.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      ahhh, tried this thing called “google:”

      http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2013/08/brett-smith-west-salem-wyoming-college-football-ap.html

      http://blogs.denverpost.com/colleges/2013/08/10/brett-smith/27903/

      “Why didn’t Smith go to Oregon or Oregon State?

      He’s forthright in the answer.

      “Oregon State said I was a little too small,” he told me in Laramie on Aug. 7. “Oregon, I didn’t hear from. I called them quite a bit, but I didn’t hear from them. So the in-state schools said I wasn’t talented enough to play there, or at least that’s the impression I got. “

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Didn’t they tell Zabransky he was too small too?

        • JD says:
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          It was Kellen Moore that Riley and Langs deemed to small.

          • angry angry says:
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            So sad. Probably the best college QB I’ve ever seen.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            didn’t have combine style measurables. sort of the al davis approach. as a raider fan it was always frustrating to watch al follow the numbers, and who ‘looks good coming off the bus.’ forgetting that the individual has to know how to play the game. so with all teams having similar advantages, just picking the MOST physically gifted does not substitute for a player’s acumen, they are all physically gifted.

            the difference is in college every team is not on an even playing field. some teams are just more prone to get the bigger/better/more athletic players and they will, or should, generally beat their lesser opponents. the question is when does football smarts, moxie, aptitude, and some modicum of athleticism make up for bigger/better/more athletic? finding those players and maximizing/coaching them up is what petersen was able to do at boise st, and what riley has struggled with here.

            riley’s approach is to take the next tier down size wise but also the next tier down in intangibles.

          • angry angry says:
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            Agree so much. It took nonstop badgering by fans for Riley to offer Jordan Poyer. He is not very good at spotting intangibles. Jim Gilstrap was great at it, but I think he was dying during Moore’s recruitment and not offering much input…

          • helmsley says:
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            It miight be interesting to see what a new Lions coach does with Kellen Moore. I hope he (Moore) can get a chance in the NFL.

          • mckalk says:
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            You mean maybe Kellen Moore won’t sidearm a throw into triple coverage at a key point in the 4th quarter and then look confused when it gets intercepted? I would be all for that!

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          A cheerleader did. Scarred for life.

    • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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      With the way he played this year, Mannion would be an idiot to declare for the draft.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      A clipboard holder in the NFL sounds like a pretty good gig to me.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Not bad at all, especially if a guy can get 10 years out of it….not necessarily saying it’s bad, more of a comment on “Riley’s complex pro system is better for preparing pro QBs than [ ] system…” rhetoric. Yeah, its great OSU gets one or two effective years out of 4 -5 year guy, then a pro team maybe gets a backup….

        • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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          but isn’t that all ANY program gets from a qb, 2 or so years? if they are elite they jump to the nfl, if they are not elite they stay 4-5 years and the program gets 2 good years, maybe.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Next year, OSU will be fairly well stocked at TE again, sjhould ahve an improved OLine, but WRs likely to be a downgrade if/when Cooks goes. OSU also will enjoy Ward, Brown, Haskins, and Woods (though I think Woods should be a backup, third down back). How about some offensive line agression and adaption, maybe taking some things from Stanford or even Chip Kelly, who will put up to four TEs on the field at the same time?

    Here’s some background on how Stanford has turned its Oline and TEs into major advantages:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20131231/stanford-cardinal-offensive-line/

    I like the idea of a younger, mobile depth OLine guy qetting quality snaps in an extra lineman position, kind of reminds me of what BSU used to do with certain players, giving them specific roles for development, and to keep their head in the game by creating playing time expectations. Imagine Harlow doing something similar (though I expect he’ll start at T next year).

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      One position I never worry about with OSU under Riley is Wide Out. Yes we loose Cooks who by all accounts could be the best OSU receiver of all time. But beyond that we will have Mullaney, Gilmore, Bolden with experience and then waiting in the wings will be Hunter Jarmon, maybe the fastest kid on the team Walter Jones, and supposed freak athlete who could pass them all up Jordan Villamin. Star power goes away but could be a all around more athletically gifted unit. Also, not trying to force feed the ball to Cooks 5 out of every 7 plays could lead to a more diversified offense.

      Who knows. Maybe it finally clicks for Obum lol

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        boom? our boom? the one that drops everything that comes his way boom? uh….

        aside from wr, osu churns out te at a pretty decent clip as well.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OSU draft leanings:

    “* I’ve reported for some time now Oregon State will lose receiver Brandin Cooks. I learned today defensive end/outside linebacker Scott Crichton will also enter the draft. The surprising news is quarterback Sean Mannion is evidently leaning towards entering the draft.”

    http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=8603

    If true, I see no DE threat on next year’s roster – incorrect? Sean must be thinking this draft class of QBs offers a better advantage than next years? Only if guys like Bridgewater and Hundley stay another year…or maybe Sean’s hearing there’s teams interested in a pro system pocket passer?

    Good luck Cooks, one of the best OSU football players ever.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      funny thing about chrichton, it seems like he took a step back this year. maybe it was offenses targeting him, maybe it’s my own expectation level, maybe i just need to actually look up numbers and not go by the eye test/beer-induced hazy glasses.

      i guess i’m wondering what made him think this is the year. does he think his stock is falling?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        He’s also seems a bit light for NFL DE these days. Unless just super quick, a 265 lb DE gives up a lot to a 300-320 lb pro offensive table w/long arms and good footwork.

    • wannabeav says:
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      without Cooks and Chrichton next year wasn’t going to be any great shakes to begin with. probably six and six at best. (I’m doing some statistical analysis along the lines of what you prepared for this site, ObjCritic, and will tie it into this thread soon, I hope). So anyway, since
      the Mannnion era was going to be a cul de sac, the top end of which we’ve already seen
      (2012 season), it’s probably time to turn the page to Vanderveen, Kempt, Kline etc. to see what they can do, individually, or serially.

  • Bendbeaver Bendbeaver says:
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    I’m just glad to see someone that’s able to spell lose.

  • scotty says:
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    My solution for coping with Woe Are We Bobby D: find adoptive teams to follow in addition to beavers. Sad but it helps.

  • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    I’d like to see a list of what all nike “donates” to which university and how much. Makes me want to puke. Fuck nike, fuck oregon and fuck phallus knight

  • bone says:
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    It’s offical, cooks declared.

  • youtube.com says:
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    The quality and wood categories should be seriously considered.
    In Wo – W a player can grab every resource they can find as there are a finite number
    of resources that spawn and then that number gets low the game simple adds more.
    The first ten are common to all classes, and represent such things as health,
    critical chance, prospecting, movement points, and
    initiative.

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    Yes, agree that points displayed taken face value equal sobriety.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    I jut finished reading “The System– the glory and scandal of big-time college football”. It’s short on answers but is a good read about the good and bad of college football. The Mike Leach story is probably the most in depth of the book and my impression is that Leach will get the cougs to the Rose Bowl before MR will get the Beavs there. If Mannion stays I wouldn’t be surprised if Halliday or Bruggman passed for more yards, especially if MR finds his elusive “balance”.

    Happy New Year to angrybeavs everywhere!

    • GoBeavs82 says:
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      Met one of WSU’s starters today. IF his excitement for their program is any indication, i would concur that Leach will get them to the Rose Bowl before MR. Beavs could be the perennial cellar dwellers in the PAC12 North. ouch.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    QB depth chart with Mannion leaving
    Vanderveen RS So
    Kempt RS Fr
    Mitchell T Fr
    McMariyon T Fr

    OL
    Seumalo, Bays, Mitchell, Harlow, Sapolu, Andrews, Weinreich, Addie

    Going to be a long day for the QB, going to get hit a lot.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      One of MR’s big failures this year was the lack of playing time afforded any potential back up QB.

      Also, he has a spotty record handling QB controversy’s; with the kid from Cal likely joining the Beavs in ’15 it seems another QB issue may be looming.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        It’s odd to say it’s a “big failure”. You think coaches are putting in their 3rd string qb (vanderveen) in blow outs?

        • oneoldbeav says:
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          Some may find it “odd to say”, but yes, I do think it was a mistake to squander opportunities early in the season to get even a few reps for Vanderveen.

          Riley, and especially Langs, are supposed to manage QB’s. That includes having a back-up (Vaz) available for the current season and thinking ahead as well. While no one says it is easy to manage the ego’s and training of various players, it is important. Now, Vaz is gone and Mannion could go, leaving no QB with ANY game time experience. Didn’t have to be that way.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I follow your logic, but I don’t see coaches make the choice you’re proposing.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Shouldn’t that O Line be an improvement? I thought Bays, Weinreich, and Harlow were supposed to be upgrades? Who winds up at LT now?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    With Gonzales leaving, will Riley hand out as scholarships to some low – hanging JC fruit?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Too bad Riley ‘ s revived run game didn’t get to face this M.S.U. defense…

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Well, UO seems to be landing some pretty good talent from across the country. #3 all purpose back in the country?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/01/oregon_football_recruiting_upd_5.html#incart_river

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