22.Jan.2015 Jon Wilner Ridiculousness

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Read this.

6. Oregon State: Most of the top players are gone. So is Mike Riley. Hotline prediction: Five years from now, OSU fans who ripped Riley will be looking back on his tenure with love and affection.

Yeah, guy, and the Stanford Indians are going to miss Pop Warner.

This guy is completely clueless. Huge coaching upgrade, and this is his spin? This guy, Lindsay, et al are going to have their asses handed to them and their 20th century narratives.

AB Prediction: Two years from now Riley will be run out of Lincoln, Gary Andersen will have a .650 winning percentage, and Jon Wilner will be mocked incessantly by ABers.

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  • tango_whiskey says:
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    Yeah Jon is an idiot… Same guy that said Stanford would beat Oregon this year… He’s a San jose writer so maybe he mad that we took Seth Collins

  • tango_whiskey says:
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    I might add, he also has a vote for the AP poll if that tells you anything

  • mckalk says:
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    What an asshat! How can you do even a brief prediction and not acknowledge Gary Andersen taking over?

    • angry angry says:
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      The implication is that Gary Andersen is a worse coach who will finish last? I guess?

      I thought the Beavs would finish last next year under Riley. No, make that I knew they would. Now they have a shot to do something. That’s the irony here.

      • tango_whiskey says:
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        Exactly angry! It’s sure funny to me too… We hire Andersen who even got little ol Utah state to the top 25 and he doesn’t even look into our staff… 17 years of experience on college football Jon’s bio says lol… People actually follow this guy, hard for me to grasp that concept

      • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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        Yeah, there are many valid reasons he could have used to justify picking us last.

        Replacing Mike Riley with Gary Andersen is really not one of them.

      • wannabeav says:
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        concur. Beavs were likely looking at a 2-10, at best 4-8 record next year under Riley. Rather than becoming OSU’s Mike Bellotti, Riley was on the fast track to becoming the second coming of Dee Andros–slow, slow, slow slide to oblivion. This whole “be careful what you wish for/can’t recruit to Corvallis” trope is an interesting case study in the development narrative orthodoxy. One person with influence, combined with a succeeding generation of acolytes, develops an interpretation and voila–it becomes revealed knowledge; immutable in its import. Or looked at more in a more practical context, it shows how the body of journalists simply recycle and regurgitate what they see elsewhere. Write it off to the demands of the 24 hour news cycle or whatever, true journalism is becoming rarer and rarer. In the world of OSU sports, I say without hesitation that the ONLY places you can find original thought, analysis, and heterodox viewpoints are Eggers and here on this blog,

        • angry angry says:
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          I saw 1 guaranteed win next year under Riley. Maybe 3 if things went well. Obviously we will never know, but based on schedule, his track record breaking in new QBs, “the Riley Factor”, etc, 3 was realistic. Now I think 7 is possible.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I’m looking forward to BYU beating them Sept 5 in Lincoln. And then laughing my ass off at the Neb AD for paying to remove the anal wart on beaver football

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            “Well, uh, we just started slow, we’re still finding our identity, but I thought it was a neat deal the way they, um, well played some great spots there and uh…”

          • Numbers says:
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            Was the guaranteed win Weber State? Cause under Riley those were not guaranteed. Nebraska traded a sore winner for a calm loser. Thats the choice they made, praise be to them, and they will quickly regret it.

          • wannabeav says:
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            someday, Angry, your friends and colleagues on this blog ought to construct a composite entry resembling an academic “Festschrift” honoring your best insights through the years. Like maybe on a major anniversary for Angrybeavs. (About which, when, exactly, did you start this?) A few of my favorites are the win-cap and the “Is Riley depressed thread” and, what brings this to mind, the Riley factor.

          • angry angry says:
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            your friends and colleagues on this blog

            I’m not sure I have any friends or colleagues on this blog.

            The original incarnation of the site was July 2009 (see the archive on the right) hosted on wordpress, but this version with my own hosting was summer 2010. If you look at the bottom of the page, there should be a copyright with dates.

            Some of my early posts were embarrassing, in retrospect.

        • Jim says:
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          I think Riley was OSU’s Mike Bellotti when Bellotti was still at UO. Oregon just made a quicker decision to do something about the roller coaster ride their football program was on.

          I think Andersen has the potential to be OSU’s Chip Kelly. Granted, the ceiling is lower, more along the lines of Kansas State level success, but this is definitely an exciting time.

  • pinger says:
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    I look forward to a 65% winning percentage after two years. I think the only way Riley survives past two years will be cognitive dissonance on the part of the Nebraska faithful. Of course 31 staff members (not including GA’s) to help carry the load will help.

    Here are the Coaches and staff listed: http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=100&SPID=22&SPSID=2

    Compared to Andersens: http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=30800&SPID=127145&SPSID=750127

    • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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      I thought Banker was going to have co-DC responsibility or something. Doesn’t look like it from that page.

      HAHAHAHAH

      • pinger says:
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        Yep. They’re in for a real treat I think.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Yeah they’re in for a real treat. The Banker hand jive, multiple false starts per game, anywhere from 9-12 on the field on special teams and major clock mismanagement. My vasectomy was just as much of a treat as watching Riley and Co constantly fuck up these last few years

    • Riko says:
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      You mean they won’t give him a pass just because he’s a nice guy

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      No Lyle Moevao? I understood he was still a GA but only GA’s listed are Andrew Seumalo and Andersen’s son.

      • pinger says:
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        If I read correctly, Moevao has been tweeting with regard to recruiting. Also saw a picture linked from AngryBeavs that some have recognized as Moevao with recruits on campus. So I think all of the GA’s are not listed on the Coaching link above.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          My point exactly.
          Maybe OSU is also short staffed in the department which is supposed to keep the webpage up to date.
          Riley, Gundy, and all those secretaries on the Husker page would never let such a lapse occur!! (SARC)!!

          • helmsley says:
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            I think there was an o-live article that all graduate assistants had been retained. Thus, Moaveo is still in place – but not on the website.

          • Jack says:
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            There was. So unless it was reported that Riley grabbed this one or that one, they (including interns) are all still there.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Quote:

    “Note: In keeping with past practice, I’ll revise the projections after spring practice and at the close of training camp. (Need to give myself the best chance possible to avoid looking foolish.)”

    Translation: After the spring/first couple of games when it becomes apparent that I’m a fucking idiot, I’ll come back and change all of this stupid shit to make myself look better.

    What a fucking dildo.

  • MB says:
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    Just lay low and let them eat skunk later. We will soon enough find out who does homework and who is an old boys clubber. At some point, even the followers will realize that they are being fed boiler plate by lazy writers.

  • Dansen says:
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    Hey AngryBeavs!

    I’ve been following this site for a few years now, spectating and enjoying the conversations that take place. But I feel it’s time to join in on the festivities of what has become, in my eyes, the premier fan site for OSU athletics. I used to be a big reader of a certain publication that may or may not be blacklisted, but you guys blow them and everybody else out of the water with your FREE content.

    Keep up the great work Angry et al.!

    • wannabeav says:
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      welcome aboard. I’m by no means the most frequent or able contributor but what I’ve come to believe over time is that reading and contributing here is like being a member of a guild: pride in textual craftsmanship, trying to make a contribution, pulling your own weight, etc.

  • Issaquahbeav says:
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    Maybe Wilner thinks we hired Gary Anderson, the former NFL punter? Of course, one could argue Anderson the punter probably would have a higher ceiling than Riley.

  • Eric_Beaver says:
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    Wilner is the Ken Goe of the bay. He is like a tenured professor that can never be fired, and is notorious for bone head rankings in the past, which will be entertaining as previous commenter mentioned he has an AP vote this year.

  • scotty says:
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    I’m gonna have to take angry’s prediction on this one, but I give Riley 3 years instead of 2. Maybe four for the nice-guy/remember Pelini? factor

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Andersen on academics and the effect on his decision to leave WI:

    ” It’s been well [documented] there were some kids I couldn’t get in school,” the Badgers’ former coach said. “That was highly frustrating to me. I lost some guys, and I told them I wasn’t going to lose them.
    “I think they did what they were supposed to do [academically] and they still couldn’t get in. That was really hard to deal with.”

    The “did what they were supposed to do…” comment indicates that the standards were not the main issue. Maybe communication between the athletic and academic advisors?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/andersen–wisconsin-s-academic-standards-were-a-reason-for-leaving-155021128.html

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      Nah man, honestly he’s kinda making Oregon State look bad. We look like Clown U when he says that stuff. I’d could give two craps about OSU being good at sports if we made an ascendance into public Ivy territory.

      When people crap on OSU sports, they are targeting the athletic department, and I can remove myself from that because I don’t play sports. Sure, I feel some type of way but a comment about the sports doesn’t affect the value of my degree. I support the teams because they represent my community and institution.

      Come at the school and now that diminishes what I’ve worked for.

      • wot says:
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        For a non-fan you take this shit too seriously.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        Seems to me, if anything, he is clarifying the issue. To this point the narrative in the media has been Wisky is so much more rigorous than OSU which is basically a glorified juco/phoenix type school compared to Wisconsin.

        “I think they did what they were supposed to do [academically] and they still couldn’t get in. That was really hard to deal with.”

        Says that there was a problem somewhere in Madison unrelated to the SA’s academics, ie the players met the supposed requirements and still were denied admission, albeit without comment as to why.

        It almost seems like Wisconsin is unwilling to accept any juco transfer because of their HS transcripts. And what we are talking about is a grand total of 2 additional years or foreign language or art/music.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        If anything makes “us” look like Clown U., it is situations like Kyle Peko. Several iterations of his story follow the same theme which irritated Andersen at WI.

    • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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      Wisconsin’s acceptance standards (17 credits) are more rigorous than:

      Michigan State (14 credits)
      Oregon State (15)
      Oregon (15)
      Nebraska (16)
      Ohio State (16)

      Oregon State is taking an unfair beating (as usual) by the lazy media hacks here. Wisconsin is the exception, not the norm.

      • Jack says:
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        OSU counts Algebra 2 as the “fourth year” of math, regardless of how it’s attained. To satisfy Wiscy’s math, a kid also needs to pass that level. But he would have to show continuous sequencing to attain it. So Alg 1A, Alg 1B, Geometry and Algebra 2 satisfies that requirement. OSU just assumes that if you know your stuff you can do the work. You essentially test out of lower math and earn that credit by virtue of the level you complete.

        The third year of language is silly, especially if the requirement is of the same language. In fact, I would rather have a kid who took three different introductory languages instead of one who concentrated on one for three years.

        Those are the two credits that are different.

        One note: Until 2017, Wisconsin’s HS grad requirements are 2.5 credits shy of Oregon’s baseline requirements. Yet both have a mandate to educate their own. And… both have about the same acceptance rates.Derive from that what you will.

      • angry angry says:
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        Is Wisconsin’s standard really “rigorous”?

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          Well, they do have Wisconsin’s most prestigious dairy science program!

          I can’t imagine how bad that campus must smell in the summer. Corvallis can get pretty stinky in the summer when the wind blows the wrong way.

          • scotty says:
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            Am I nuts? I rarely noticed anything

          • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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            Oh man, maybe it’s just the around campus area? I used to live off of Western for a few years until this past spring. There would be some foul evenings in the summers from time-to-time. I always associated it with the cows on campus, but it probably had more to do with the hay harvests.

          • Jack says:
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            It’s a common complaint, especially since it butts up against the downtown area.

          • Jack says:
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            Oh… that’s Madison, not Corvallis. If you were out that way, you could smell it pretty good on those hot days with no wind. It still wasn’t as bad as Millersburg on any given day, field burning and the mint harvest.

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      I might be in the minority (or paranoid), but I get the vibe that these articles about academics are more or less propaganda to push the “No one wants to coach in/come to Corvallis” narrative. They make it seem as if academics were the sole reason for Andersen coming to Oregon State. It’s like they’re trying hard to explain the inexplicable, or more accurately, explain what’s inexplicable to them.

      And I think it’s absolute nonsense how Wisconsin fans are jumping on this holier than thou train about the school’s “higher academic standards”. If I’ve got this correct, Wisconsin requires 2 more arts/letters credits or classes than OSU. Not exactly what I would call that much more “rigorous”.

      • angry angry says:
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        I agree. Those standards aren’t rigorous. I think Alvarez just hates JC recruits and thinks of them as troubled thugs. The rest is propaganda to cover his hatred/ignorance. And a little OSU bashing, which is in vogue still.

      • wannabeav says:
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        great insight, Dansen. you are off to a great start here. of course, why else would someone go to a low-grade place like Corvallis and OSU

  • Jim says:
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    While irked when I first read it, it’s actually fine. Like a lot of members of the media, dude has a crush on Riley, probably because Riley made him feel not stupid in interviews.

    He’s just expressing an opinion based on Riley. At least he’s not explicitly yammering about how Corvallis sucks, no recruits, etc.

    • Jack says:
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      It’s inferred that we will continue to get “less,” and that we will not be able to do “more” with them like we were under Riley. Therefore, in a couple years we will long for the days when we were last or next to last in our league.

      Wait… wut?

      • wannabeav says:
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        far be it from me to correct you, Jack, but Wilner is “implying” OSU will get less in this trade-out. An inference is something a second party draws from the first.

  • Alex says:
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    Back to Riley for a minute, can you imagine the backlash if Riley drops his opener to a D2 team? What would happen?

    And it could very much happen. Riley’s got the every other year thing going on, so he’s due. Brand new, complicated schemes. Guys not recruited to play those schemes. First year Riley QB effect. Zero team-wide schematic experience. And if our teams full of veterans can come out looking woefully unprepared, what about a team which is all starting from scratch?

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      Edit-

      Never mind, they aren’t opening to a D2 school. I was mistaken. They open to BYU, and I think we can chalk that one up as a Husker loss. There’ll be some upset fans, but they can probably rationalize that one. The drama of a D2 loss would have been epic.

    • Jim says:
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      I think he’s actually going to do okay there, though not necessarily a better record than Pelini. He can coach when someone lights a fire under his ass. That was the biggest problem at OSU, in my opinion, he had little pressure to succeed and coached down to that level.

      And Banker will probably do better against the Big 10 offenses, as well. At least until they meet Ohio State and get obliterated.

      • Alex says:
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        I don’t disagree, but I expect a very slow start. I think next season overall will be rough for them, but I think the first half of the season will be especially ugly.

  • calibeav says:
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    I’m already taking BYU money line that’s the lock of the first weekend IMO.

    On the topic of gambling hit a 3 teamer last night with:

    Beavs
    Zona
    UW

    That UW game winner sealed the deal for me.. Huge shot by that dude.

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      Have you considered how many players from BYU may be suspended from that bowl game brawl?

  • whatever says:
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    Up to 60th in kenpom.com power rankings.

    http://kenpom.com/index.php

    • whatever says:
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      Also, he projects us to finish 19-11, (10-8 in Pac-12):

      USC win
      @ASU loss
      @Zona loss
      Wazzu win
      Wash. win
      @UCLA loss
      @USC win
      Utah loss
      Col. win
      @furd loss
      @Cal win
      Oregon win

      • angry angry says:
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        I think they can beat Utah and @ASU. Utah is overrated.

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          Personally, I think @ASU is a win. I think Utah is solid, but we do play very well at home. I think that one is 50/50.

      • Jack says:
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        Umm… seven more wins would be 11-7, 20-10.

        • whatever says:
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          Accurate. Looks like he hasn’t updated the overall projection after last night’s game (which he had projected as a loss) and I didn’t bother counting.

          • whatever says:
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            Actually, on second thought, he says: Projected record is based on cumulative probabilities of winning each game and may not equal the sum of individual game predictions.

      • cj cj says:
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        @ ASU = win
        @ UCLA = on the fence
        Utah = on the fence

        Besides, if you do the math it’s 20-10, not 19-11

  • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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    Mostly putting this here for myself, if anyone else sees it as useful, nice. Just compiled info from free sources. I listed the biggest competition as mentioned on oregonlive, or from the (free) visit/offer information on recruiting services.

    Commits: Keivonnis Davis, Tuli Wily-Matagi

    Transfer: Brayden Kearsley

    Utah: Simi Moala, Noah Togiai (Utah commit), James Empey

    USU: Zachary Lopini-Katoa

    WSU: Logan Tago (WSU commit)

    Wisconsin: Elu Aydon (Wisconsin commit)

    South Florida: Khalid McGee (South Florida commit. Note: Only listed as visiting on ESPN and Scout, not Rivals or 247. Haven’t seen social media about him coming).

    Logan Tago and Ely Aydon may be somewhat of a package deal. Having three guys there that are committed will be good I assume. They can also work on recruiting the players.

    Probably doesn’t need to be said, but if you can get to Gill tomorrow you’ll not only support WT and the bball team but also help show these guys a good atmosphere.

  • Fred says:
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    Why haven’t we poached anybody from Wisconsin? I assume he was recruiting guys for his system so why haven’t anybody followed him out here? Utah players are ok I guess but they are a bottom feeder in this conference we need Wisconsin level players I’m sick of this two star diamond in the rough garbage, thought that mentality left with Riley.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    A thought occurred to me a while ago: I miss the Pac-10. I still really don’t give a shit about Utah or Colorado, and I don’t feel like they fit in with the rest of the conference… am I the only one? Both have been south division bottom dwellers since joining. Has their only benefit to the conference been a slightly expanded TV market?

    • angry angry says:
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      No, I agree, too.

      I don’t mind CO as much as Utah…

      • CraigBeav says:
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        I guess it’s kind of hard to hate a team that’s won four conference games in four seasons.

        • Jack says:
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          … and the first Pac 12 Tourney?

          • CraigBeav says:
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            Colorado won the basketball tournament? Eh, I dunno… I forgot basketball even existed until this season.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            Hey CraigBeav, can you “untag” @beavrecruiting from your arguments with the Utah tools? It’s creating a bunch of unnecessary noise. thanks in advance.

          • CraigBeav says:
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            Ah, sure thing. Sorry bout that.

          • CraigBeav says:
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            My twitter knowledge is lacking. When you reply to a tweet and there are other @names embedded in it, is it common practice / courtesy to remove those you’re not really sending the message to? I often see tweets with like 6 twitter @names in them, so didn’t realize I was doing it wrong.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            there’s no right or wrong way to do it, but as a general rule, any name embedded in the tweet gets sent a notification EVERY time their name is mentioned/favorited/retweeted. With all of the arguing that went on yesterday with utah fans, it just went viral. to kill it, you need to either stop arguing back with them, or just remove the names that don’t need to be in there. just helps clean things up because i can see this going on for some time, and don’t really think this feed needs to be cluttered with that stuff.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            The past few weeks of Utah internet hate I’ve seen directed at OSU has led me to imagine that this South Park clip represents the vast majority of Utah fans.

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            Mooom, bathroom, BATHROOM!

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          Count me in. I loved the round robin football schedule with no championship game.
          Still easier for me to wrap my head those two in the PAC around than Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G.

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        Yea I’m actually looking forward to road tripping Colorado one of these years. Utah not so much.. Not happening.

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          great campus in Boulder, the fans there are friendly, Ralphie is a kick, and the downtown vibe is unequalled.

    • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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      I agree, but it could just take time to get used to them. Wonder what people felt like when Arizona and ASU were added in 1978.

      I think a big thing is allowing the Pac to have a conference championship game. Not having one can lead to a situation like the Big 12 had this year.

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      They should be in. Expand recruiting boundary eastward, expand TV market and area, two very good research institutions so they keep up with the rest of the conference academically, and they compete for national titles in other sports (Colorado brings cross country titles for a few years back now).

      Conference of champions. Plus, I like what Utah and Colorado bring as far as geographical diversity. Something the Pac has that sets it apart is geographical diversity (The Northwest schools in both the city and suburb joints, the LA schools, Bay Area, Desert schools, Rocky schools) and with it comes geographical congruency so homestands can be bunched together.

      Not a single institution deserves to be kicked out of the Pac-12 as is. It’s difficult to find who would help us moving forward (because Boise State and SDSU and maybe UNLV would in theory follow but academically they don’t match up quite well), but as it is we have a solid conference with a lot of built in advantages.

      • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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        The fact that Utah was in the MWC for so long is sort of puzzling. On most reputable rankings, Utah is either near or ahead of OSU, UO, and Wazzu. They also conduct a lot of research, which fits right in with the PAC (Oregon excepted).

        I had no idea Salt Lake City was so small though. Not even 200,000 proper and that’s Utah’s largest city. Their metro area helps a bit. In looking at their recruiting classes for previous years, it’s back and forth between where they fall and where the Beavers do. I have to imagine SLC isn’t that great of a destination for your average football player either–a very Mormon city with lots of businesses closed on Sunday. Their facilities are nothing to write home about either–same stadium size as Reser and once VFC is done next season, facilities become quite a wash. Their athletic department pulls in $20 million less in revenue though. That’s something for them to work on.

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          I was in SLC several times…always very difficult to find alcohol. I imagine that’s a bummer for college kids. Weird, people, too, mentally. They all had great skin…which I found a very odd trait. I left there feeling I just visited aliens. Now the National Parks in Utah; that is another story. You will not find better campsites than Canyonlands in the spring or fall.

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            The irony was that the liquor stores in Salt Lake had longer open hours than the ones here in Oregon, there just wasn’t many of them. The Olympics put some leniency into place, but that may have been reversed now. I haven’t been to SLC in almost 8 years. When I first moved there, stores could not even advertise that they carried beer, so they would put up banners that said “ice cold bee? available”.

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            They can, however, pump their own gas.

          • Jack says:
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            What’s this “can” shit?

            I “can” sit in my warm and dry car while someone who works for a living cleans my windshield.

            -or-

            I can pretend service is just a word… while I pay someone gobs of money to sit in a cubicle.

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        I really like the phrase “geographical congruency”. Roles out like mouth butter.

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        Agreed… geographical congruency is a very nice term in both form and function.

        We’ve talked about this before. D1 schools who would fit Pac standards and are within the Rocky-west region are UHM, UNM, CSU, MSU. UTEP is getting close on the academic side. UNLV is not close. Davis would be a home run if not for their FCS status. UBC would be a home run if they weren’t Canadian.

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          Cal Poly SLO is almost equal to Nikegon in academics. But that’s hardly an argument to join in this present day. They would beat out UNLV. I guess we can say that.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    I’m very happy BDC decided to take a Tinkle last spring.

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      It was about time after he Robinsoned for so long

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      Me too but imo both WT and GA fell into BdC’s lap so their hiring wasn’t as much because of how smart or good BdC is, it’s more of a case where he got lucky.

      It’s time to hang it up BdC. It’s better to go out on a high note than to get run out of town as was your situation just a few weeks ago.

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    Is the football recruiting class light at the DT position?

    I see DT Boogie Sewell has decommitted from CU. Any rumbles that he might be a Beav?

  • CraigBeav says:
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    Baseball media day interview with Andrew Moore and Jeff Hendrix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGnvb86sQng

    And here’s Coach Casey from yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvZWEDeQGNM

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      You have to love Casey. No excuses.

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        We knew this was going to be a rough season for Casey’s club. I almost feel bad for Ice having to catch so many freshmen this year. Could be a very frustrating year for him.

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          Why is it going to be a rough season? They have 5 MLB draftees on the roster and a handful of the best arms in baseball. Yes, they’re inexperienced, but experience is overrated.

          I think the turf is the bigger issue. Could hurt pitching and small ball…

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        Casey is still the gold standard of OSU coaches

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    Keeping up with occasional theme around here of personality traits, BIRGing, other sports related neuroses, etc.:

    I just received a tweet from a Utah fan apologizing for the other Utah fans that were arguing with me. I’ve been just as big a dick to the Utah fans as they’ve been to me, hence the idea that I need to be apologized to is ridiculous. It was a perfect example of fremdschämen.

    fremdschämen: to feel ashamed about something someone else has done; to be embarrassed because someone else has embarrassed himself (and doesn’t notice)

    Fremdschämen is one of my least favorite traits in another human being… anyone who is actively embarrassed for somebody else is a way bigger asshole than the one they’re embarrassed for. Tell the person they’re doing something wrong to their face; don’t apologize for them behind their back.

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      Continuing my thought:

      I don’t like lots of things my country does, but when I meet someone from another country I don’t go apologize to them for it all… because I’m not personally responsible for those things. I’ll discuss what I think is wrong and express my dissatisfaction with the situation for sure, but I won’t apologize on behalf of the country. It’s not my place to do so, and to try would be pointless.

      Now, back in the realm of sports… during the ’06 Civil War at Reser, a duck fan walking past my section got a cup of soda or beer thrown at him. Good beavers immediately came to his aid, pointed out the thrower to security, etc. But also, a few of them started apologizing to the guy saying “sorry for the idiot, we’re not all like that! see, we’re good!” It turned a situation that was totally about some poor dude being victimized into a feel good, pat me on the back moment for the apologizers….

      I guess the reason I hate fremdschämen so much is because it’s often just a form of obnoxious self-congratulation for not being a bad person. Those who do it aren’t apologizing to make the wronged person feel better; they do it to feel better about themselves. But when you feel good about yourself because someone is an asshole compared to you, that makes you an asshole too.

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        You’re wrong. If I saw some Oregon fan get a beer dumped on them I’d apologize too…it’ called being a fucking human and feeling bad for the situation they’re in. Empathy. Seeing some dumbass with toilet paper stuck to their shoe and feeling embarrassment for them, that’s fremdschämen. Expressing concern for another person and apologizing, basically wishing that that shitty situation hadn’t happened to them, is empathy, a more advanced form of emotional contagion.

        http://www.nature.com/news/rats-free-each-other-from-cages-1.9603

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          Aren’t you conflating sympathy and empathy with embarrassment? They’re separate things as far as I’m concerned. When something bad happens to someone else, I surely sympathize and do whatever I can to help them. I just don’t apologize for it if it wasn’t my fault.

          If I see someone with toilet paper stuck to their shoe, I don’t feel “embarrassed” for them. I tell them it’s there so they can get rid of it.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            I’m conflating who gives a shit with I don’t give a Fuck.

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            Move along, sir.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Back to my trailer?

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            Never knew we had so many good trailer park folks around here. I’m envisioning the tight-knit WFO clan sitting at their TV trays together sharing a nice 4-piece from the KFC for breakfast. Maybe watching some Price is Right on the cable y’all are running over from Whiskey’s trailer.

          • Jack says:
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            Who the fuck eats KFC with that nasty aftertaste?

            Blech!!!

          • WFO WFO says:
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            TV dinners baby.

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            Salisbury steak ftw.

        • Jack says:
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          “If I saw some Oregon fan get a beer dumped on them I’d apologize too….”

          Because the beer deserved better?

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        I apologize to all Angrybeavs for CraigBeav’s post.

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          Ha, that dude was right yesterday. You are good at the punnery.

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            I guess I don’t get it, just because you’re a beaver fan, and you hate the ducks (and I do) doesn’t mean you have to be an asshole?

            Why is so hard to be empathetic, regardless of race color or creed?

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            I’m confused; why don’t you think I was empathetic? I was one of the ones trying to help the guy out by pointing out the thrower to security and stopping the situation. I did so solely because I didn’t want anything bad to happen to anyone, duck or otherwise. People helping the guy and stopping the bad situation was a good thing.

            The thing I’m trying to argue against (and apparently doing a poor job of) was when a few other beaver fans started apologizing, not for the situation having occurred, but on behalf of the cup thrower. It makes no logical sense to apologize on behalf of someone else…. that’s something only a narcissist would do. And further still, they started comparing themselves favorably to the cup-thrower, as if that somehow made the situation better. The purpose they had in doing so wasn’t to make the victim of the situation feel better, which would be a good thing, but to feel better about themselves by showing their superiority over the person for whom they felt embarrassed (the cup-thrower). What made them assholes is that they took a situation built around the misfortune experienced by another and made it about themselves.

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            You just pointed out the cup thrower for selfish reasons. You then argue degrees of selfishness.

            I feel better for posting this… but not so much that you should think I posted it solely to make myself feel better.

            WOO HOO!!!!

            Sullivan was a hack btw.

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            Sure, like Angry pointed out below, every single thing I do all day long is selfish.

            What’s the Sullivan reference? I don’t know who you’re talking about.

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            Harry Sullivan?

            I was assuming you were headed down that path. Newton? Pearce? Fromm?

        • Numbers says:
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          I don’t apologize for craigbeav, he is spot on. CraigBeav, I apologize for BeavGopher

          • CraigBeav says:
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            Thank you Numbers, I accept your apology for BeaverGopher.

          • Jack says:
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            I apologize to BG for Numbers apologizing for him… I think?

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    Someone who knows hoops in the media?
    http://bloguin.com/thestudentsection/basketball/oregon-state-is-the-depaul-of-the-west-only-better.html

    The only thing he fails to mention is that OSU trounced DePaul. That’s looking like a quality win right now.

    • angry angry says:
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      Crazy they can make the NCAA. I would be happy with an NIT and think that’s what ultimately happens. If they make the NCAA that would be awesome, but I think they’d get killed, whereas I think they could do damage in an NIT…not sure which is better.

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        I would take the NCAA with a first round exit still. Get that monkey off their back. Hopefully they could get some good tournament experience under their belts with a run in the Pac-12 tourney. It feels wrong to even be discussing this though.

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          Yeah I agree way too premature.

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            I think it’s fine to talk about it now, the PAC12 has revealed itself to be in a down year. The opening is there. Almost every game is winnable but it’s still an uphill road to an at large bid. RPI sits at 69 per CBS.

            Twelve games left. 6 home, 6 away. Say they split the away games, and go 4-2 at home. Puts them at 20-10 overall. Depending on who they beat and lose to, they could get to the bubble.

            Need to beat – AZ, Utah, UW. Stanford.

            Loss won’t hurt standing – Oregon, UCLA, Colorado.

            Cannot lose to – Cal, USC, ASU or WSU.

            If they did make the NCAA via at large or automatic, I would expect them to be in the play in games as a 12 seed.

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            It’s not really a matter of talk anyway. It’s a matter of doing. So we can just enjoy the ride for now.

            I think there should come a time when EVERY… SINGLE… EXPERT… AND… ALL… WHO… BELIEVED… THEM… need to just accept that maybe there was just a smidge of talent on our roster and that focus could make them better than more than two-thirds of the no-talent teams out there.

            ?

            I mean… it does take some talent to defend other D1 players… and outscore them… more than not.

            Or am I just totally bonkers here?

            Let’s leave denial to the media who are and have always been wrong beneath that film that always and for sure forms on top of the gravy.

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        If they make NCAA, i’ll bet they win first round. Thats a huge if. Hopefully good for a few rounds of NIT.

      • cj cj says:
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        The link doesn’t work for me. Mayhaps I need to unblock something?

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      Kind of an odd omission, it should have fit into his story.

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    Since it’s slow, I’ve got a question I need advice on if anybody cares to weigh in. Wife wants a digital camera for her bday. Nothing fancy, just a quality point and shoot would do. Would like to keep it below $200 if possible, but would go above for the right camera. Had a cannon powershot before that we liked, but didn’t really care for the Nikon coolpix one that we tried. Anybody have advice on the best “bang-for-your-buck” camera out there?

    If you know of an affordable entry level DSLR, I’d consider that too. We’re not camera snobs and don’t need anything that’s going to take professional quality stuff.

    • angry angry says:
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      I would go to the used market. The Canon S90 (advanced point and shoot) and Canon 5D (pro dslr) are the two best values. They’re old, but great cameras. The panasonic lumix LX series is good, too, for a point and shoot. I use a 5D and love it. No need to ever upgrade…try to find one with under 20k shutter clicks.

    • cj cj says:
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      There’s nothing wrong with the Nikon coolpix. Easy to use, take really good pics and on the lesser expensive side.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Little woman just scored some tickets to to see the Gophers take on the Fighting Illness of Illinois with our old friend Ahmad Starks tomorrow.
    Any messages from Beaver Nation I should pass along?
    Any questions from Angrybeavs?
    Any good taunts?

    BTW, I know feel compelled to apologize to little Ahmad for all the mean shit you bastards said about him.

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      What’s his excuse for not being able to play D when he was the under the basket guy in CR’s 1-3-1? Just kidding. 🙂

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      Tell Ahmad I don’t miss his fade away 3 pointers 7 seconds into the 35 second clock.

  • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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    I just saw Moevao driving a golf cart from the Hilton. Hope he didn’t steal this one!

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      In all seriousness, it looked like he was shuttling a few recruits around. There was a second cart with him as well. Just a fun tidbit on my way home from work.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        was Manti Teo’s dead girlfriend riding shotgun?

        • alex says:
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          No, Simi Kuli called shotgun. Teo’s GF was in the back seat. They were all headed to campus to pick up Kyle Peko from yoga class.

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            I’m assuming you mean “online yoga class”…..the course that runs indefinltely and that you can take at multiple times?

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            Gotta call BS here; Peko’s yoga class was online…no need to visit campus.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Teo’s GF was dressed up as a sheep.

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    MANDY ALERT:
    WBB on PAC12 Oregon in 15 minutes.

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      They’re really good. Should make the final four if not win the entire thing.

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        Big game Sunday.
        OS?…….DS!!

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          Is OSDS a hashtag yet? If not, we should use it for the recruiting feed. OS?DS! if possible.

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            If you search it you get quite a few results returned. Isn’t that more of a hoops thing? I guess it could end being adopted by the whole department eventually, but it seems like this year’s ODAAT.

            I’ve seen Moevao use #WeDAMBoyz before and a Jay Irvine has too. Was thinking #EveryDamDay might work. I sort of like those Dam puns. if only we had a master punner on this site….

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            or just #DamIt!

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            or go with a wood theme? #We’veGotWood #Givin’MeWood #Sportin’Wood

            or maybe just #OSUtah since we’re pretty much becoming a hybrid of the 2 schools

            or how about a simple #Chomp! (didnt some player try to start the beaver Chomp after scoring touchdowns a few years ago?)

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            Frankly my dear…..#IGiveADam or #IDoGiveADam

            #Dam-U

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            Shane Morales. He got flagged for it, or was it Halihuni that got the Flag for bringing back the chomp?

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            I think Morales got flagged for it.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            #sportinwood should be reserved for Mandy Close updates IMHO.

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            #DamIt was us about two months ago

          • Jack says:
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            whatever

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            http://angrybeavs.com/recruiting/10933#comments

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            I’ve been using the #OSDS hashtag often. In fact it’s been the premise of my whole account really haha

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      CJ, how about a giant Mandy head sign for your sign at the game tomorrow?

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      thanks for the link. Mandy strikes some resonant chords. To wit: all OSU fans really want is a team that plays hard, plays smart. Yes, the wins are nice, but they are a function of the cited dynamic. I loved Sid Wiese’s comment about going to OSU because she liked being a part of the underdog vibe. I know that I personally bailed on Riley when his teams didn’t seem to show up. They might have bungled games away with the Riley factor, but the WSU game when Quiz was hammered out of bounds by the Cougs, or the UW game in 2013, to cite just a couple examples, is when he lost me. SC, Stanford, UW, UO this past year, all of the same piece.

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      Great piece, thanks for the link. Mandy is down with the OS?…DS!!, ” I think we have a great place here in Corvallis; I think Oregon State has a lot to offer.” and “…the state of Oregon, Corvallis specifically, will get behind a team that puts a great product on the floor, who plays together, who plays the right style…”

      A little surprised the author didn’t mention Mark Campbell’s defection to the dark side, but what can ya expect from a guy who spells Newberg with a “u”

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        Wait… when Campbell left it was supposed to expose Scotty as the failure of a coach who leaned on the crutch named Campbell.

        I guess it’s true.

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        Jamie Weisner’s dad was interviewed @ radio half-time last evening. He as much as admitted that he and his wife had reservations about Jamie’s choice of OSU but it sounds as if she insisted because she liked the coaches and wanted to be part of a building program. One of her older brothers plays at U of Montana, so Tinkle would have been his coach. He is one of her three older brothers with whom she played bb and there are 7 children in the family. No wonder she’s so tough.

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      They just HAD to sneak the ducks in there at the end. Really? At 8-10? That’s like sneaking a positive Riley section at the end of a Ducks football article at the end of last year and praising State of Oregon programs. Like they’d do that.

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        I was thinking the same thing….how has Oregon women’s hoops done anything to put basketball back on the map in this state? There was more intrigue and interest when they hired Paul Westhead. A better story would have been OSU men and women’s hoops renaissance.

  • cj cj says:
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    R.I.P. – Ernie Banks. Great Cubbie!

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    #BULIDtheDAM

  • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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    Jay Irvine visiting Wake Forest. Wait… Wake Forest has a football team?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    FYI- hashtags containing special characters wont work. for example, #OST8?DamStr8! would essentially cut off at #OST8.

    i like build the dam, but it aligns with the buildingthedam.com blog better.

    What about a simple #FORTIFY ?

    • Jack says:
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      I guess we need to create our own Twitter… except, we can’t call it Twitter.

      tee hee

  • angry angry says:
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    This is interesting:

    http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/01/23/deflated-patriots-statistically-impossible-fumble-record/

    Pats clearly have been doing this a long time. My question: how the hell did nobody notice?

  • Electric Eye says:
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    Only two recruits I haven’t seen this weekend are Aydon and Tago. Maybe they’re getting in today sometime.

    Togiai got to OSU today with mom.

  • angry angry says:
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    Anyone heard if Estes or Sagapolu will visit?

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    #DAMthePUNDITS

  • fucking says:
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    It’s hard to come by experienced people for this subject, however,
    you sound like you know what you’re talking about!
    Thanks

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