28.Jun.2016 JUNE FOOTBALL COMMITS/GENERAL THREAD

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12 total football verbal commits so far through June 28th. Don’t think we’ve ever seen this high of number this early, in recent history.

Since it’s slow, I’m thought I’d put film up for our 6 most recent commits, in case anybody cares to evaluate or comment on the quality of players we’re seeing join the class of 2017.
(ratings based on 247 profile)

Also, feel free to discuss anything else, including the hiring of new volleyball Head Coach, Mark Barnard.

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Isaiah Miller
3* RB out of Jacksonville(area), FL
Offers from: Syracuse, USF, Troy, Southern Miss, Ohio
Notes: Another Jacksonville athlete joins OSU. Seems to be a hotbed for OSU recruiting.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3244528/isaiah-miller
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Justin Gardner
3* DB out of Snellville, GA
Offers from: Fresno St, Miami(OH), Georgia St.
Notes: Offer list doesn’t blow anybody away, but nice to get a foothold in the state of GA, home to some of the best talent in the country.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/7457611/justin-gardner
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Kaleb Hayes
3* DB/QB out of San Bernadino, CA
Offers from: none
Notes: Has also played QB and Free Safety.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4447806/kaleb-hayes
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Arex Flemmings
2*/3* WR out of Pasadena, CA
Offers from: Utah St, Idaho
Notes: Plays on the same team as another OSU WR target, Jamire Calvin who has said “it would be the best thing ever to be able to play with him(Flemmings) in college” Calvin is highly recruited, and this commitment might help land him.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4533311/arex-flemings
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Josh Bowcut
3* DL out of Sherwood, OR
Offers from: none
Notes: Local product. Have seen talk of him being one of the rising stars in the Pacific NW and one to watch next year.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2671690/josh-bowcut
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Brock Wellsfry
3* OG out of Tri-Cities, WA
Offers from: Eastern Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming
Notes: Has been an OL MVP at 2 of the camps he’s attended so far this summer. Offer list may be misleading as teams are just recently discovering him.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3949862/highlights/304681513
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  • Ryan says:
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    Go Beavs!! 12 commits so far. I asked the same question, on the last thread. When was the last time we had 12 commits by the end of June? If ever?

    • Ryan says:
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      Just to add a thought or two. OSU wants Hayes to play DB very little footage exists of him playing DB. Only film of him playing QB. Flemmings, I heard was great in the 7 on 7 pylon competition in Nevada against top tier competition. Gardner was offered after a satellite camp in Georgia. What I can say is these three have been seen onsite, before an offer was made. I am curious on how satellite camps can be helpful in seeing talent as opposed to video only. Also Wellsfry is going to a Washington camp soon. So curious if the Huskies offer him as well.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    How does this compare with the rest of the conference? Only reading this blog just now.

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Depends on how you want to look at the data and which site you use.

      On 247, they rank OSU as currently the #6 ranked class in the conference, with Arizona, USC, UW, Colorado and UO all ahead. This is based on a composite of total commits weighted against star rating. All subjective of course, so take that ranking with a grain of salt.

      Arizona and Colorado have been the surprises so far this year.

      http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=Pac-12

      • Ryan says:
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        I’ve only followed recuriting since 2011. So the fact we have 12 commits in June and #6 in the Pac12 thus far is a good thing. I think Anderson and crew are really getting after it on the recurit trail. Long ways to go still.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Good stuff, nicebeav. Links work fine for me.

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      thanks. turns out if you want to add a clickable link when creating a forum topic, you also need to hit the hyperlink button in the editor and add the link there. i went back in and edited my post a couple of times. was weird to be behind the scenes at AB and see the site from that view.

      • angry angry says:
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        It’s a madhouse.
        Good work manning the fort, doods.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    It’s a little mixed for me. Love the fact they have so many commits, I think that is a good thing. Also, some of these kids I think will get bumps in their stars and offfers.

    Most of these guys have some really good speed, hopefully they will be able to play with that speed at a high level. Some of the kids are a little undersized (not the linemen).

    I am a little disheartened to see them struggle to get a high profile recruit. You see Nebraska with some 4 stars and you realize it is the school and not the staff. So, that being said you still need to hit on some of these big fish(especially QB). I think ESPN has us with two 4 stars, so the different services will rate them differently.

    Overall, I think its a good start. Arizona and Colorado have done really well.

    • bleedorange says:
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      Ya i agree i want to see us land a big time recruit. I also did see the 2 4 stars on espn so its a pretty big variable with evaluations done by different sites.

    • angry angry says:
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      What do you guys make of the 2 star and 0 star guys?
      I always felt you could win big with a team of legit 3 star talent.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Are there any 0*?

        I thought all were 3*… a couple 2* who were really 3* but not evaluated… a couple 3* who will blow up.

        Where a couple recruits have measurables that don’t quite add up, there are “package” type motives. And they are solid football players regardless. I just don’t think they’ll be stars for anything more than three or four games in their careers, steady otherwise.

        For those whose measurables look awesome but raw, I like.

  • bleedorange says:
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    One thing that i noticed is that we have the second lowest overall ratings of our recruits. So it comes down to if u believe these guys r not well known yet or just not super talented. Time will tell.

  • Doozeldorf says:
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    I feel like a lot of people have some crazy expectations regarding recruiting. This is the second season for this staff, and actually the first season for many of them at OSU. Last season they won 2 non-con games. That’s it. And you think a 5 star, highly recruited player is going to pass up all other offers and roll the dice with OSU??? Nobody is that good of a salesman. This staff is going to have to develop some lower star, lesser known athletes and win some games games with them before they’ll get consideration from elite athletes. That’s their challenge, they know it, and they’ve accepted it.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      nailed it. want to improve the talent you recruit and get? Try not going 2-10.

      Or just pay more than the other guy. Seems to be working for some other programs to the south and east

    • Bill says:
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      That’s not the bag of goods we were sold. We were told that while the on field results would not be great, we’d win in recruiting because the new coaches were much better recruiters.

      • Doozeldorf says:
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        Ok, so who sold you this bag of goods and did they actually tell you that this staff would recruit higher star ratings and more highly recruited players? If you are wondering if this staff is recruiting better talent than the previous staff, I think the answer is Yes from what I’ve seen, but their production on the field in the next couple of years will verify or refute this. But the point is: it takes time to build a program and reputation that can attract players who have their pick of any school.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Well, they do recruit higher rated players.

          You don’t ask, you don’t get.

          That’s something the last regime never understood.

          • Doozeldorf says:
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            Good point. And some of them have had us on their short list. Having that after a record of 0-9 in conference tells me this staff is doing something right when it comes to recruiting.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I hope Christian Wallace develops into a neato player.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      I think the expectations coming in were that Coach A assembled a staff that was going to be focused on recruiting better talent. When Sitake and Tuiaki left it took a stong component away from the staff. We were told from the being that they would go strong after Poly’s, since those two have left they have not had the success in that group (juding by current commits). The other thing we were told is they would emphasis local talent (NW) and we have seen that.

      The current staff has been focusing in hotbeds like Florida and SoCal and down South. Where they have not had a whole lot of success is in Texas (I tink Hall and Odum do a majority of that territory). They have shown they are not above going into other states and competing for recruits. The effort seems to be there.

      At the Recruiting dinner I talked with a couple of coaches and they mentioned that they will go after everybody (meaning highly coveted kids), but they are not going to spin their wheels if those kids don’t show interest. They do want kids that want to be here.

      Most of the current commits seem to be coming from these satellite camps, where the coaches get to see them up front and in person and talk with the kids. The last camp they did was with Utah St so you see some of the kids with Utah St offers as well. I think these are the ones who will see their stock rise as their Senior film gets out there more.

      Agree, the lack of success on the field has an impact on recruits. Which makes this year an important transition year, where Wins will be very helpful on the Trail. If the program can start getting some W’s it should translate into higher rate of success with the more highly ranked recruits.

      The program could really use a good QB, and once they start winning some of those battles for the higher ranked QB’s I think that will signal a turn in their efforts.

      • Ryan says:
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        Good summary Beaverkman! I feel the same about OSU current situation on recruiting and winning.

  • GabeDBeav says:
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    These kids have no chance to be productive in D1. Just stacking more shit on top of the shit we already have. Which equals, you guessed it, a big pile of shit.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT: McGiven on difference Garretson is making:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/06/oregon_state_co-offensive_coor.html#incart_river_home

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Interesting comment about Collins. I’m betting it’s 50/50 he is still on the team at the end of the season.

      • marcodg marcodg says:
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        Just curious: if you bet 50/50 on a single event, does that mean you always win? Maybe it means you win but you don’t win anything? Anyway, from what we’ve seen StG is an exciting player to watch. I hope he sticks and has success.

        • Numbers says:
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          If you bet 50/50 you always lose. House keeps 10%, and their only goal in life is to have equal money on either side. They want 50/50 bets. This is concept so often misunderstood. Spreads, etc have no accurate reflection of probable outcomes, they represent what is required to convince a degenerate gambler that his prediction could be payable.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Technically, the house keeps at least 16%. I think 18% is allowed by law, but that’s their fudge factor for promotions and such. And 16% isn’t a hard and fast rule. It’s just where profits and taxes meet… not that they really do so other than on principled papers.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        I was struck by the Collins remarks, as well. That, and not mentioning Ryan Nall were notable parts of the piece. IMHO.

        The point that Collins “at least has the potential to be a very good player.” and recognition of his“natural athleticism “ all were leading into this bottom line, “Everybody’s seen his competitive nature, they’ve seen kind of his edginess, and sometimes that’s a good thing.

        I think McGiven will continue to put a lot of effort into managing StG’s mental approach. 50/50 chances of staying with the team?…….I don’t know. If McGiven gives Seth a fair number of chances for glory and can still cause him to see himself as part of a TEAM then my hats off to him (actually to both of them).

        • Ryan says:
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          I took the comment differently about Collins. I took it as Seth missed all of spring ball and counldn’t really comment on his progression. We will see with in the fall how Seth fairs.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            I took it that he is an unpredictable hot head that can can be a detriment in a team environment and is high maintenance.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            And Seth should not go to the fair.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            People die at the fair

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            You may have something there, Ryan. I’d be more likely to join you if McGiven had given some positive vibes here, as: glad to have him in the picture; reports are he is working hard; he can be an important part of our O.
            I think Jack (below) is right, coaches are gonna see that he pays the dues he still owes from last season.
            And, I expect Numbers “low hanging fruit to talk about” statement is gonna be borne out over the next few months.

        • Numbers says:
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          Collins is low hanging fruit to talk about. Was last years starting QB and all that, and now trying to start fresh in defining the slasher role. I’m perfectly fine with Collins being talked about incessantly. What his role was is a fact, and what his role could be is intriguing. Keep the focus on him and off the rest of the developing crew is great. I don’t need to be hearing about how we will play Nall Ball all day long and pound wimpy teams like the gophers, I just need to see it actually happen.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Remember he wasn’t allowed to participate in spring drills and only decided to stay 2/3 of the way through. He’s rehabbing relationships right now. Coaches have to be hard on him just because he dissented once. There can be no dissent. This is Seth paying some of those dues he didn’t pay as a frosh.

          It’s a good, healing thing.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Yeah, attitude is everything. He is going from being the star (potentially) to the chance to be an occasional star. If he stews over this, it probably wont work. If he he can accept his new role, and puts it all into his appearances, he could be a real asset. Gonna be interesting to watch.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            ^^^^^^This. If Steven Richardson does not break him in half the first game and he behaves, this could be a pretty cool offense.

      • angry angry says:
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        Oldbeav is still calling him StG.
        More like Seth the Newbie. Sounds like he needs a lot of work.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Wellsfry (or an imposter) continues to comment in the big O. I believe it is probably him.
    Check it out if you’ve got a minute to spare:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/06/brock_wellsfry_3-star_ol_commi.html#incart_river_index

    • Jack Jack says:
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      He played in the International Bowl last year for the U18 team. I can’t think he isn’t one of those Rhodes Scholar types who knows this whole social media game and how it affects his future life within and beyond football.

      Besides, he’s not a joke until he has a team-colored comb-over.

    • bleedorange says:
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      It just goes to show that some these kids are reading these sites and we should be careful about what we say and how we say it and remember they’re just kids.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Yes.

        They must be mollycoddled because they’ve never heard or seen anything that could be contentious… because they’re just kids.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Ocer and over, teams are ranked on the stars given their recruits.

    Question — has anyone analysed team success vs recruit star rankings? Seems to me there is at least occasional success by teams with relatively low recruit star rankings.

  • Ryan says:
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    Nixon would be a good commit. Good summary by Nemec of what he liked about the Beavs.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/06/keisean_nixon_elite_jc_cb_name.html#incart_river_mobile_index

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    OT: Had to share this quote (and term of endearment) from Cats coach Jay Johnson as the Cats fell in a heck of a game. Regarding not sending his runner to score from first on a double in the LF corner, he said:
    “It’s the play of the season in college baseball. I can’t believe it,… He would have been out by 100 feet and it’s only 90 feet, I know that. I can’t believe the play was made… I’m probably going to have nightmares about that little rat in left field running around and making that play. I say that with, if you know me, that is a big-time term of endearment.”

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Tip of the cap tonight to Coastal Carolina. This story sounds kind of familiar though

    http://www.d1baseball.com/columns/fitt-coastal-caps-journey-ages/

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Very much like the 06 Beav squad. I’m happy they won. They played aggressive and mostly error free for the tourney and ended up on top. Those kids could really swing the bats.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Thanks for the link. I was wondering if a good thread topic might be for people to post good sources they use for college football sports/Beaver sports. I know there wouldn’t be many, and the thread wouldn’t be too long, but I was curious where people here go elsewhere for information.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      “10 neutral site games to watch..” I don’t like these games in principle; taking games off of campus and away from college students and fans (though they are televised).

      Look at the international site games – Sydney, Australia, Dublin Ireland…imagine the travel costs associated with taking squads there. An “investment” to grow the market.

      http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/college-gridiron-365/os-10-neutral-site-college-football-games-to-watch-20160620-story.html

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Those are good articles. But the real news is how many hotdogs will Claeys eat at the 100th anniversary of Nathans famous hotdogs eating contest? Can he fill his gullet with enough hotdogs to win the championship?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        He is a vegan.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          Didn’t know Krispy Cream, Cinnabon and Baskin Robbins had a vegan menu…….you learn something new everyday.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Yup, got to suck up to those crazy millenials. He does put the sustainable thing in question, however.

  • angry angry says:
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    Is college baseball over? Who won?
    Good job espn/disney losing entire fanbases. Watched 0 seconds. How’s that doing for your ads?

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Brand new turf for Rodent Bowl 1
    http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160629/6f05dff6add25cec7d06699da8e20132.jpg

    • ObjCritic says:
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      There should be a trophy for this game: a double set of incisors.

      Is Minny coming out to Corvallis for a rematch?

  • angry angry says:
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    I can’t believe how bad Conforto is…I thought he’d be a .300 hitter with 20hrs, if not more. Maybe at some point, but boy is he bad right now.

  • Beaver Juice says:
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    Predicting a Civil War win for the 2016 Beavs. First time I have felt the odds were 50-50 in almost 8 years. Home field plus Garretson after a full season with his receivers and some Nall Ball give OSU a good shot to end this bullshit streak. Take care of business Mr. Andersen. This year is ripe time for a couple signature wins.

    • scotty says:
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      No more Don Pellum as DC sadly

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        But they have tubby who is looking for a head coaching job.

  • Issaquahb says:
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    Shear to Zona…another miss.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Our guys are all about to have wayyyyy better senior years and pass him up don’t worry

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Our guys are all about to have wayyyyy better senior years and pass him up don’t worry

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Lol….Brock Wellsfry is ranked higher than Shear. Good try though.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Zona. “Bear down.” School motto and what you have to do when constipated.

  • Issaquahbeav says:
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    Darwin Barney actually pitched in the 19th inning for the BlueJays. He subsequently gave up a gopher ball to lose them the game.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      I find that term offensive and hateful. You have violated my safe space.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Shut up or we pull out the hose.

        Real rodents know how to swim.

      • scotty says:
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        Is your safe space a gopher hole?

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          And a beaver lodge.

          • scotty says:
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            Is the gopher hole inside the beaver lodge? No one will ever find you there. Good thinking

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    I know Casey, all good coaches really, preaches the importance of EVERY game. D! mentions this way of emphasizing that, by the Ariz Wildcats…
    For every win this season, UA took a team picture to remind players and coaches alike that every game mattered and to never forget the ride …

    • helmsley says:
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      Arizona’s coach has a fantastic record and turn-around wherever he’s coached. A very tough opponent. Poor Arizona 2nd baseman – I think 2nd baseman – 2 errors on one play which allowed CC to score 2 runs.

      I imagine AB eye rolling here, but I was delighted when GA instituted the school song singing after games – must have been horrible this past year with all the losses. However, here is a video of the Wales team, post-Belgium, singing the Welsh National Anthem. Perhaps one day the Beavs can sing with that much joy and the fans can do more than murmur to join in.

      http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spine-tingling-moment-wales-players-11557208

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Perhaps one day the Beavs can sing with that much joy and the fans can do more than murmur to join in.
        Well said.

  • angry angry says:
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    So back to Conforto, I didn’t realize he got sent back to the minors. Meanwhile, peer Jake Lamb (6th round pick) is killing it. I don’t understand how Conforto can have that good a swing and approach and stink so badly. Must be mental.

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      …at least 90%. But it could be the other half!

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      He was brought up really early. Jumped from AA to the show. AND he started last year in A ball. Very few guys do that and stick. MLB pitchers found his weakness and have been exploiting it.

      He hasn’t played a full season of minor league ball outside of a short season A league. The limited success he has had at the big league level is pretty good if you consider that.

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      Conforto really started trying to pull everything, I guess he became enamored with home runs, but he was such a pure hitter it seems odd that he fell off so badly. With Nimmo bringing energy and Ligares returning, I’m not sure where that leaves Conforto this season? I was listening to a couple of Mets talking heads and they were saying that Conforto is not “tradeable” and still in their long term plans.

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        Long term he’ll be good, but he might not be back ’til September barring injury. He needs to relearn how to hit into the gaps and both fields. He was so mature and good that it’s surprising he couldn’t keep that up.

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          He needs to learn how to hit a breaking ball and left handers. That’s something he can learn in the minors and get a lot of abs. The mets wouldn’t let him bat vs lefties and pitchers would only throw him breaking balls.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    off topic for you guitar pickers…………………

    Went in to the guitar center in Keizer this afternoon to pick up some cymbal stands for my oldest son. Whilst he was looking into that I decided to go fiddle around with some guitars. I’d been wanting to play a fender telecoustic cause well, I am a fender guy. But I came across an Ibanez talman acoustic/electric and was blown away by how great it sounded and how easy it was to play. It was on sale so I had to have it. Got home and threw on a new set of strings and it sounds just as beautiful when plugged in to one of my amps. If you like the sound of the shallow body acoustic/electric, check one out. I even like it better than my ovation…………….

    Happy Independence Day all!

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Nice, I’ve never played one.

      Didn’t you say you bought a squier and replaced the pickups and hardware? I’m kinda looking that direction for a telecaster.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Yes I bought a squier affinity telecaster for $199 and replaced the pickups with the fender N3 noiseless. The pickups cost almost as much as the guitar did. Easy swap that one can do in an evening and it sounds so much better. Eventually I’ll replace the pots, switch and jack. Mine took longer because the first set I got had a bad bridge pickup and had to be sent back. Find a set of pickups you like the sound of and make the swap. If you are decent with hand tools and a soldering gun this is an easy project

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          Yeah I’ve been eyeballing the classic vibe telecasters, I like the neck and they’ve got decent hardware.

          Whatever I get I’m going with the Rio Grande Dirty Harry pickups.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Happy Birthday to the USA. To fellow veterans, thank you for your service.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Be careful, don’t blow your fingers off tonight. Have a happy 4th.

  • angry angry says:
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    Guys, I’m going to be gone for 19 days on a project. I’ll check in here and there to make sure nothing crazy is going on, but the two new admins need to hold the fort. When I get back it will be late July and then we can start talking football more seriously. Oldbeav, put up a general thread soon. This thread is good, but people never want to talk recruiting until December or so.

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