21.Jan.2010 "Stars Mean Nothing"

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We’ve heard this argument a million times: stars mean nothing because Riley turns over a rock and converts the hidden quartz into a diamond.

What’s interesting is that on message boards I’ve seen the same people (a) say stars don’t matter (b) act the most excited when guys like Owa show any interest and (c) inform everyone when a 3 star player gets bumped to 4 stars.

Just looking over at blitz, there’s a thread on the first page about Will Story. It has 287 views and 0 replies. On the same page there are two threads about Owa totaling 1804 views and 19 replies. So don’t tell me stars don’t matter and then have the nerve to click on an Owa thread and put him #1 on your “wish list.” What is the counterargument, that you’d be just as excited about Owa if he were a 2 star? Sure. Good luck backing that up.

This is my creed:

1. I accept the fact that I crave 4 and 5 star recruits
2. I will not let our program’s moderate success convolute me into thinking I prefer 2 star recruits.
3. Failure to land 4 and 5 star recruits will not result in my calling them prima donas and pretending I don’t want them.

What is fantastic about this creed is that it accepts our human nature. The worst thing about Beaver fans is that, after being kicked for 28 years, they don’t know how to expect more than what they get. In short, they’re content with low to moderate expectations and a pipe dream. They don’t want to crave the 4 or 5 star too much, because when he says, “no”, they’ll be crushed. They resort to pretending they never wanted him to begin with because he has academic issues, is a prima dona, or some other nonsense that is limpid as a pond. Recite the creed with me boys. We all want Owa, we all want Thomas, we are all happy Manion was bumped to a 4th star. It’s about prestige, respect, and unbounded potential; if you say anything different you’re lying to me, and more importantly, to yourself.

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  • ean says:
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    I see what your saying. It would be sweet to land this Owa kid but I really don’t know much about him other than he has 5 stars. The star system is rather confusing. Take for instance this Fred Thompson guy. He is listed at 6’4″ 290lb with a 5.1 second 40. That is crazy seems like that is deserving of 4 or 5 stars and when you look at the picture (I know can’t judge a book by its cover) he looks like he has an NFL body. So who knows really I guess. Then you got the case of guys that come from small schools, they always seem to have less stars. I remember guys being bummed when we signed Poyer because he only had 1-star… and now they think the guy is all that. Same goes for Halahuni. I think the small town guys are interesting because their names don’t really get out there. I am also excited for this Malcom Marable guy, he sounds like another James Rodgers in the making. Should be fun to watch these guys develop. Also what is the difference between this Tyler Perry guy and Christian Thomas… it looks like Thomas is a little faster Perry a little taller but does it warrant an extra star…. I dunno. Anyway it is also nice from a hype angle to land the five star guy but OSU seems to be pretty hit or miss when they do land the high profile guy anyway.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Ean, it is human nature to get excited about stars because they are a sign of prestige and boundless talent. There’s a counterargument to this that says high ratings go to the guys who attend camps and have good offer sheets. I never liked that argument. I think if Will Story has a USC offer and attends the right camps he’s still at 2 stars. Would James Rodgers be 4 or 5 stars if Texas offered? I think the evaluations, for the most part, go by talent and film. There are a few I had a real issue with (I said Nick Montana was 4 stars based on his name alone, and what is interesting is that he’s been knocked down to 3 now), but for the most part they are spot on. It’s why you see teams with constantly high recruiting classes in the top 25. There are always aberrations (like the Beavers cracking the top 25 with a 50-60th class), but those are usually due to one special player or a large number of seniors and don’t portend a long-term success strategy.

      Anyway, what I don’t understand is the person who says stars don’t matter, then the same person makes threads craving every bit of info about Owa, Thomas, Bernard, etc. They clearly matter if for no other reason than it’s excited to land a coveted player and earn some respect and prestige. But more importantly, I think the services are correct more times than not and the players with those ratings have unbounded talent. Their success/failure is a matter of coaching and work ethic, not (major) flaws in the rating system.

      • ean says:
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        Well I don’t think they are entirely flawed but in some cases they are:

        1.) as said above small town kids. I mean they have always been the most athletic guy so how do they know how they will fare against the cream of the crop. It is the same thing with centers in basketball… every 6’10” guy dominates in high school but it doesn’t mean they will dominate in college when they go up against other 6’10” guys. I stand by my Poyer and Halahuni examples of how the star system fails in this aspect.

        2.) Over emphasis on physical measurements. James Rodgers… short and skinny (at least he was) but don’t you think he deserved more than 2 stars? Also this shows up big with lineman. I noticed Cav likes guys a few inches taller than 6′ with wide frames that still haven’t filled out yet. Guys with lots of fast twitch. But when it comes down to it who knows how they will fill out or if they will. Lineman to me seems like more of a crapshoot just because the higher ranking guys have filled out earlier. But how do you rank something like ability to grow anyway… I dunno… but it appears Cav, Riley and co. have learned to somewhat quantify it. Victor Butler is a guy that filled out nicely (what was he 2 stars?)

        3.) Finally the prima donna aspect. No not every 4 or 5 star guy is full of himself. In fact most worked hard to get to where there at but a small portion got to where they were at by natural ability alone and that wont cut it at the next level.

        Anyway just a few flaws with the star system. Not to mention they are 18 year old kids so who knows how it will turn out. I agree though that it is nice to land some big names.

      • FreddyBeav says:
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        Those counter arguments are actually very true. Those camps are where a lot of kids get recognized and for those who don’t go have a harder time getting a scholarship offer in general and usually aren’t very highly rated on those recruiting services. Kids do get more stars just based on the schools they get offered by. I remember one year some recruits had offers from schools like Florida, LSU, USC and went from having 2 star to 4 or 5 just for that reason.

        • angrybeaver says:
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          “Kids do get more stars just based on the schools they get offered by.”

          This seems chicken/egg. Are they awarded stars because of the schools that offered them, or do prestigious schools offer them because they’re 4/5 star guys? I can think of a few situations where a guy shot up to 4 or 5 stars after USC offered him, but I can also think of our very own Markus Wheaton who remained at 3 stars even after getting the USC offer.

          • FreddyBeav says:
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            I don’t think getting an offer by a big school will automatically get you 4 or 5 stars, but it’s unlikely they’ll stay at 1 or 2 stars.

          • Diggs says:
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            I like the chicken/egg analogy. Really, who knows. However, schools that offer I believe are worth something though, and shouldn’t be tossed aside. The schools are looking at footage/watching the kid play first hand… and so an offer to varying degrees merits ‘some’ quantitative work that is valid. Just how much is the question.

      • FreddyBeav says:
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        School
        National Recruiting Ranking
        Wins per season

        Pac-10

        USC
        4
        10.8

        OSU
        49
        9.0

        hole
        28
        9.0

        Cal
        29
        8.5

        UA
        37
        6.8

        UCLA
        21
        6.0

        UW
        41
        3.5

        Others

        Boise State
        75
        12.3

        BYU
        64
        10.8

        TCU
        71
        10.5

        Auburn
        14
        8.3

        Notre Dame
        10
        6.5

        This was posted on another message board, although it was in a table form, that really shows that recruiting rankings really don’t automatically mean wins.

        • FreddyBeav says:
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          This info was for the 2006-2009 seasons. My point though is that really stars don’t equal wins. I think a lot of OSU fans would just like to see what Riley could do if he were to get more 4 star player to see if there was any improvement

        • angrybeaver says:
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          I think this is waaay more complex than wins vs national ranking. I mean, the numbers look interesting right off the bat, but then if you think who BSU has played, or the coaching staffs at Washington, etc it becomes clear it doesn’t matter if you had 1 or 10 star recruits.

  • ean says:
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    Also I agree with what your saying but I pose a question to you. Do you think having a a few 1 or 2 star guys that works their arses off but never see the field at OSU is a good thing? Do you think it helps to get more out of the other players and build the culture? Just curious as to your take.

  • JackBeav says:
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    I agree with your take on human nature. And I agree that probably most of the kids who get the early hype would be nice gets for any program. And I wholly agree with you about hypocrisy. But I don’t agree that the rankings are as good as you believe they are. One look at our verbals tells me that they haven’t even looked at tape on a couple of our guys let alone evaluated them properly. And that’s a regional thing.

    I think scout had a stupid article on Jordan Tebbutt the other day. They admitted that it took several calls for them to come watch him, and they admitted that it was because of location. And that’s basketball. Oregon has a top 5 player every year, and sometimes 2. But it took an “oh… all right” for someone who claims to do their job well just to do their job?

    That’s why I will never give those sites my money. I worked for it. And I know who Jordan Tebbutt is, thank you very much. He’s incredibly good. He’s going to get better. And he’s going to be a Beav.

    Football is worse. You know what? I agree with Rivals that Storey is a two star DB. If he insisted that he play safety or receiver I would say good luck in D-2 ball son. I’ve seen him play LB, and I can tell you he’s really good. He’s also a jack of all trades on offense. I would really like to see him put his hand on the ground like his father and grandfather did for OSU. We’ll have to see. The point is that if he were to be rated at the proper position based on something other than measurables then he would easily be a three star. If he could play every aspect of the game as well as he could drop cover and shoot the edge then I would say he deserves four stars. But he doesn’t, and I won’t. To answer your question about him with regards to a USC offer, camps, etc… he would at least be evaluated by now. He would have at least three stars, and Rivals would have done enough write-up on him to convince themselves that he might be a four star. But this is a kid who never sent out any tape until he realized that’s what he needed to do if he was going to play on the next level. He sent it out, and he was offered immediately. James would have had an extra star if recruited by UT, and Quizz would have been pushing five stars in the same situation. And I think we’re beginning to see the exact same up-tick for Mike Riley’s recruits.

    The same human nature that applies to us applies to the ratings services. They rely on coaches to find the next hidden gem, and they need to create a market in order to sell their product. Since OSU is an emerging market and has had a recent record of finding skill where it was neglected, the scouting services have an interest in up-ticking OSU prospects.

    Make OSU fans think they can get the four stars because they increasingly get them… increase discussion… hype gets noticed by the recruits themselves… more four stars come to OSU… fans go crazy with hype.

    It’s a natural progression.

    Does anyone remember Jim Jensen for the Miami Dolphins? That’s who Storey reminds me of. Sorry for the non sequitur.

    Yeah I want Akuna… Thomas… Vainuku… Taula… Gio… even Owa. But I don’t want Heimuli. And that’s based on game film only. But it’s nice to see that I have the same eye as conventional wisdom when conventional wisdom makes the effort to get around to doing their jobs.

    Side note… has anyone seen tape on Scott Crichton?

    • angrybeaver says:
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      “But I don’t agree that the rankings are as good as you believe they are.”

      People are pointing out good additional flaws in the star system. In general, and over the long term, I do think they’re accurate, and this is why: teams like Texas, USC, Alabama, Florida, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc are always ranked in the top 10 in recruiting, always have great athletes, and are usually in the top 10 in the standings. They might not win every year (due to various and unrelated factors), but you can tell their players are men amongst boys and always pass the eye test.

      My point isn’t really about the system, though. It’s natural that it took this tangent, but my main point was with the hypocrisy of Beaver fans who say stars don’t matter and then get excited about high profile guys while caring very little about the Will Storey type. As noted in the main post, this statement is backed up by the views and responses in threads about Owa vs Storey, so it’s not merely opinion.

      • rodgersbrosftw says:
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        I agree with what I think you’re saying.

        On an individual basis the star rating system can be flawed. Just like the NFL draft, recruiting can seem like a crap shoot at times. You can find tons of individual examples. Look at where Tom Brady was drafted and compare it to Ryan Leaf.

        Does that mean your favorite team doesn’t need first round picks and should rely on the later rounds? Of course not.

        I think if our program was at the point where we could get serious interest from more 4 and 5 star recruits the talent pool we are recruiting from would be so much better that we would be a much better team.

        That just seems ridiculously obvious to me.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Let’s give the coaches some credit too. They develop and manage young men who are or aren’t as good as advertised. Some coaches take what they can get and make them giant killers. Others take the pick of the litter and lose. But there are some men out there who take the pick of the litter and still manage to win. They’re a dying breed. But they still exist.

  • Quatre says:
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    I’ll take a 4-5 star athlete any day and pray that those 2 stars athletes play like 4 star athletes when they hit the field.

  • ean says:
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    After watching the video of DJ Welch (http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbeaversbeat/2010/01/signing_day_countdown_meet_fut_2.html) I wonder if he doesn’t deserve another star or two. 10.55 in the 100m? for a linebacker? if he can keep some of that speed while adding weight he will be a beast.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      He would be a 4 star except he’s not going to qualify. That’s why no other program offered him. The Beavers took a risk…which is fine. They did the same with 4-star, Happy Iona, who won’t qualify either. Molesi (another 4 star) will likely go on mission. So right now we just have Mannion as a 4 or better.

      Another thing to consider with this rankings is that Scout has Happy Iona as a 3-star, which I think is much more accurate after watching his film.

      • FreddyBeav says:
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        Scout also has him as a DE, which I doubt he’s going to play considering his size. Also Molesi will go on a mission, but he’s stated that he wants to play one year of college football then go on his LDS mission.

        • ean says:
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          That seems dumd to me…

          • ean says:
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            sorry posted before I finished. Why wouldn’t he go on a mission first? So is he going to redshirt then leave then play?

          • angrybeaver says:
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            Hard to say why. Maybe he’s unsure if he wants to go. Maybe he wants to burn his redshirt so he plays right away when he returns. Maybe he wants that year of conditioning. Maybe he’s not ready (emotionally/mentally) at his age to leave. Maybe he isn’t old enough (I believe you have to be 19 to go?). There are many possible reasons. Some LDS players don’t go on missions at all. I’d really like that to be the case with this player–he seems a legit 4 star at a position of need.

          • ean says:
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            Some interesting points… maybe if he gets in school and likes it he waits until he is done to go on the mission… Who knows I guess?

          • angrybeaver says:
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            It probably depends on his faith and dedication to it. It’s just like any other religion, you have the devout and then those who are simply born into it but don’t buy it. From his quotes, it sounds like he’s the former and we’ll lose him, but yeah, there is not enough information to know.

  • JackBeav says:
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    Let’s also remember that fans are not professionals. While I’m sure that coaches are excited to get some players as well, they do not ignore the ones they already have… which is part of the case here.

    The chase is more exciting than field dressing.

  • dvl1949 says:
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    Your obsession with Blitz is cute.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    I’ve read some articles in the past using Notre Dame recruiting class rankings as the best example of how distorted the system can be. The argument being that team performance has not come close to living up to the preseason recruiting class rankings.

    Obviously, coaching, facilities and even the players physical growth come into play (18 year olds are not always done growing). At least the NCAA scholarship limits has kept the legacy programs from hoarding all the great recruits and has created a little bit more parity.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Have you read articles about how Florida, USC and Texas bring in the top classes and finish in the top 5 every year? If you’re going to bring up ND you have to look at the other side of that coin.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        Oh definitely, just thought it was worth mentioning that Notre Dame seems to crop up as that statistical anomaly from time to time for whatever reason.

  • angrybeaver says:
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    Terron Ward is an interesting prospect. 3 stars, but a reported 4.4 forty. What’s most perplexing is he has no offers while being one of the more productive backs in California. Either that forty time is a lie or he’s got major academic issues. We seem to be recruiting a lot of guys who won’t make it in either due to academics or mission.

  • JackBeav says:
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    I think Ward is a good enough athlete to be on any team. I don’t think academics are an issue. I think he suffers from the NCAA ‘recruiting size’ complex. When you consider he holds the rushing record at a school where M Jones-Drew was a stand-out, you would think that he’d get a shot somewhere.

    Maybe he can go to UO where they pretend on recruiting weekends to be a family program. Then they could point to the Ward brothers as their commitment to family.

    Ward was a member of the third place 4x100m relay team in California last year.

  • JackBeav says:
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    Ok… Just looking at Ward’s senior year it looks like De La Salle played the equivalent of a non-con schedule from hell, and he was hurt pretty badly in one of those games. So he was low production on top of diminutive to start the year.

    And academics are not an issue.

    Does the low output to start the season make the second half that much more amazing?

    http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-09-24/sports/17204402_1_ward-s-father-la-salle-s-ward-knee-surgeries

    Btw… why are we talking about Terron Ward?

    • ean says:
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      Do you think Terron Ward is better than Malcom Morable? Both look like little speedster all-purpose guys.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        I don’t like Marable…I’ve seen him in person and wasn’t impressed. I think he’s a reach and the staff seems to be going for the shifty, diminutive guy just because of the Rodgers brothers. They did this same thing with Tremaine Thompson after landing James Rodgers.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Because he’s visiting this weekend.

      • beavfan4 says:
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        Do you know of any other recruits visiting this weekend?

    • JackBeav says:
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      Ahhh…

      Maybe it takes the OSU staff a look at the kid to see if he’s what his coach says he is. We know the speed and academics are there. Maybe he’s really just 5’6″ and 150. Still why is nobody offering this kid?

      He likes to run between the tackles, and he can make people miss on the second level. It looks like his dive plays are just him surfing through the line. I’m just confused.

      See…? This is why we need a track and field program. He has a recorded time that can put him as a fourth or fifth on a good program’s 4x sprint teams. He works out with that team and walks on with football, and if he’s good enough he picks up a scholarship his second year. If not, the track program still has an outstanding athlete who gets a good education. Shoot… with our football program he could ride the sideline for four years and turn into one of our magic walk-on fifth year seniors.

  • Beavers26 says:
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    I cant believe you guys listen to this angrybeav moron. Saying marable is a reach? Ya im sure you got a better eye for talent then coach Riley. Is this the same guy that said David Ross would start as a true freshman? This guy is clueless.

    • JackBeav says:
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      All right. I’m absolutely fed up with this FReeper-like stupidity.

      You ask about what angry said about David Ross. Using the ‘search’ function afforded by this blog host I took two seconds to type in ‘David Ross’ and hit enter. I found one entry from August 21 of 2009 which referred to Ross. After reading through the whole post–which was rouger and angrier than angry is currently–I noticed that it ended with these words.

      “David Ross should be developed into a shut down corner at this stage of his career–this is a failure placed squarely on the coaching staff.

      Expect this squad to lose four games minimum. Most likely five, and in a worst case scenario, six.”

      So, Beaver26… it would seem that you have a problem with appearance rather than fact. There is a reality in this world in which not nice things happen to nice people, and to ignore it would be naive. Good people suffer, and we should do everything we can to help them by identifying problems before they manifest.

      Sports management is the same as life. Foresight and experience serve management better than any hope ever could.

      While I choose to chip away at angry’s… well… anger, you choose to irrationally attack him. I take on his message with reason. You attack his emotion with its equal. I don’t know that I am correct in any of my opinions. You are certain in your stupidity, and you don’t hesitate to display it.

      That you chose to display it in front of God and everyone is good. Consider this your intervention. I am glad to have helped you.

      And always remember this… it could be worse.

      You could be paying to read this.

      Now that would be stupidity to the Nth degree.

      • Beav84 says:
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        LOL, Jack

        The comments 26 was talking about were not ones angry wrote in his blog about Ross. You need to know a bit more of the story than you can find by searching his blog.

        One of the reasons he hates Blitz is that he posted over there (as CastorNation) that David Ross should be starting as a Frosh over Lewis and Hughes (whom he later went on to describe as “WAC-caliber” cb’s) — and he was rightly ridiculed for those posts. When he couldn’t take the heat and couldn’t back up his posts, he decided to deflect from the real issue (his lack of FB knowledge) by just starting a bunch of pissing wars and thankfully the admins finally banned him.

        Oh, and of course, he also admitted he didn’t know who Terry Baker was when Blitz was doing their Top 25 OSU players feature at the time.

        Yep, you’re backing a brilliant FB mind when you support “angry”.

        • angrybeaver says:
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          Well, you got half the story right, which is something I’d expect from a detractor trying to make his point.

          I did say they had WAC level talent. If you look around the WAC, some of their CBs are way better than the PAC-10. So take that for what it’s worth. Even if you view it as a jab, which it was (since I was frustrated with the play of both), it’s justified. Neither of those players was great. Both were “serviceable” at best. You’ll argue that since they’re in the NFL they’re clearly great talents. I’ll argue back that 70% of NFL draft picks are out of the league after one year.

          Anyway, I think if you watched OSU games with a critical eye you’d conclude that Lewis (when not cramping up) was just an okay player. Did you feel confident in him making open field tackles or shutting down the opponents best WR? I didn’t. Hughes was the better player of the two. I liked Hughes, but what I saw of Ross on film showed a player with the most fluid hips I’ve ever seen from an OSU prep recruit. That combined with his speed made me think he should have beaten out one of the average corners we were playing. Yeah, I was wrong. Though, with our coaches you never know why guys are/are not seeing the field. Maybe Ross isn’t loud enough in practice–you see what I’m saying?

      • JackBeav says:
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        Thanks for the hearsay. I posted what has been said, and you posted what amounts to rumors.

        Since I’m not stupid enough to pay for something which doesn’t warrant payment I guess I’ll never know whether or not your stories are true. I question his judgment for paying to be on a site which states this as a TOS:

        “By subscribing, registering or using the sites, you agree that Rivals and or the publisher(s) and board moderators of the sites have the right, in addition to other rights, to delete your posts or blacklist you or any other user at any time, if they believe that action is in the best interest of the sites, for whatever reason, and the reason need not be disclosed.”

        That’s just un-American. Paying for such a ‘service’ is just stupid. Asking the moderators to censor for anything other than threats or ‘rated R’ material is unfair and immoral. Celebrating such action, as I said, is wholly un-American. Following him to his own blog to call him names is immature.

        How does it feel to be a Beaver FReeper? You are low class and un-American by your own words.

        • JackBeav says:
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          Btw… Blitz has the right to be un-American as stated in their TOS. They are a business, and they get to choose what happens within their business. That doesn’t make what they do right. That just gives them the right to do what’s wrong. Anyone who subjects themselves to such standards displays highly poor judgment.

          Anyone who now knows that the vague TOS are taken to such extremes is doubly stupid for subjecting themselves and their money to such a business.

        • JackBeav says:
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          Oh…

          And since I haven’t done this in about three years…

          LOL back atcha!

          What am I in the fifth grade now?

    • JackBeav says:
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      For the record… I listen to everyone. I disagree often, and I’ve learned to keep my mouth shut or ask questions when I DON’T KNOW.

      The only tool I’ve ever known that could combat ignorance is knowledge.

      Get some.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Eh, I’m surprised there aren’t more haters. Let the guy have his opinion and call me an idiot, but thanks for the support.

      The worst thing is censoring opinions and that’s what this guy is for, so he loses in the end.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Beaver26, do you think #28 was a reach? What about Pankey? The staff has reaches every year. The more I think about your comment the more it bothers me. Not because you attack me, but because your logic is questionable and you seem to blindly follow a staff that makes errors constantly (which is the nature of the profession).

    • BeavGirl says:
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      “While I choose to chip away at angry’s… well… anger, you choose to irrationally attack him. I take on his message with reason. You attack his emotion with its equal. I don’t know that I am correct in any of my opinions.”

      good post, jack. however, its pretty clear angry uses a lot of reason and facts to back up his claims. angry’s emotions, unlike this guy here, come across as neither irrational or overly emotional. beavers26 just needs to chill a little, really

      • jackbeav says:
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        Emotions are always irrational. That’s not to say they always detract from an argument. They are what they are.

        I hesitate to respond to these FReepers–for lack of a better term I shall liken them to those mindless freaks of stupidity–because emotion deserves no response other than ‘Right on!’ or ‘Boooooo!”

        But angry was right to point out that this creep wanted others to think like him or be damned after he spewed two sentences which were incorrect to begin with…. think like him and be wrong.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        Well, I’ll disagree that emotions are always irrational. In biology there is fight or flight. The emotion (fear) to flight (i.e. run) is a rational one that could save one’s life. A reasonable person has rational emotions, and an unreasonable person has irrational emotions. I would think it’s unreasonable and irrational to reject fear in the face of say…an attack by a dangerous animal.

        Are you a stoic, Jackbeav?

        “The Stoics adapted and made their own the Socratic hypothesis that virtue is nothing else than knowledge, adding the idea that emotions are essentially irrational beliefs. All vice and all suffering is then irrational, and the good life requires the rooting out of all desires and attachments.”

      • JackBeav says:
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        I guess what I’m saying is that emotion is not a conscious thought. Therefore it does not enter the mind as a rational thought. It just is what it is.

        For instance, I don’t believe in the concept of an irrational fear. For that condition to exist would be for me to accept that my emotions have reason rather than reaction… and that my reason is more important than any other in the discussion of said fear.

        Who am I to say that fear is reasonable or irrational when it’s not mine?

        But it would also be unfair of me to not say that the emotions of many people confuse me sometimes. I watch some people create the very condition they fear by imagining it in their mind then projecting their angst.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        This brings into the equation the notion of perspective. Granted, you might not be able to say someone else’s fear is rational or irrational, but they can tell you (i.e. from their perspective) whether it is or not. I’ve had plenty of irrational fears, and they involve one common bond: fearing the “thing” before it happens. That is irrational. Take the fight or flight I mentioned earlier. That is a reaction by all animals in the wild under an actual circumstance. But you’ll never see, say…a salmon…”run” from a grizzly that doesn’t exist. Humans have the ability to be irrational with their emotions because of “reason” and the ability to create a very real scenario in their minds that isn’t necessarily real or hasn’t yet happened.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Wouldn’t that be classified as anxiety rather than fear? Of course, that would be the extreme. But applying fear to something which does not yet exist is either some heavy contingency planning or a problem. I like to carry a staff when I hike for a variety of reasons. But if I were to be afraid of any of those reasons I wouldn’t go hiking.

        On the other side of the coin is courage. I would say that pre-application of courage in reasonably fearful situations as psychopathy rather than courage. No one is so practiced that they do not feel anxious before these moments… that is unless they lack empathy.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        Yeah, I suppose it would be anxiety, but anxiety triggered by fear of an event that has not happened. Both the anxiety and fear are irrational.

        Also, almost everyone who suffers from phobias (fear of xyz), realizes the condition is irrational yet they can’t do anything about it. Some reading on phobias:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

  • Warren Smith says:
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    Did we offer Terron Ward?

  • rodgersbrosftw says:
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    Any news On Gio and how his UNC visit went?

  • JackBeav says:
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    Half the UNC bloggers thought Gio was a shoe-in for a weekend commitment, and they’re shocked it didn’t happen. The other half are hopeful based on a report that says he cut Notre Dame out of the picture.

    Most Notre Dame bloggers don’t need no stinkin’ running backs.

    OSU bloggers seem to be more concerned with laptops and Ducks.

    Riley and Langsdorf probably flew to Ft Lauderdale yesterday. It’s 8 hours on a plane. I’ve made the exact same trip, and ugh!

    Since Terron Ward wasn’t offered, my guess is that Riley wanted to see what Gio said first. There are probably a couple other guys who won’t be coming here which leaves open slots. I hear Taula is one… oh well. So maybe Ward gets on and fits a role later.

    I’m somewhat satisfied with how we’re set at the moment. I went from not expecting much to hoping for too much… back to not expecting much. Now I’m in a place where I think the coaches are taking good chances on good talent, and the rest is gravy.

    On a wholly unrelated note… does anyone find this news article as strangely coincidental as I do?
    http://www.tuaw.com/2010/01/23/university-of-oregon-shows-off-engraved-macbook-pros

  • JackBeav says:
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    We need a new thread. I’ve got a good feeling about this week.

  • JackBeav says:
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    To top it all off the Groanian’s Duck blogger reported that Akuna visited UO this weekend instead of Arkansas. I wonder what he thinks of this past weekend in Eugene.

    According to this guy Akuna’s decision will come down to either UO or ASU, with the possibility that he likes Florida State or West Virginia also.

    I guess America’s most secure city/town and the NCAA’s most family-like athletic program are just no match for the excitement of Eugene.

    Heh heh heh

  • Warren Smith says:
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    I would be shocked if Akuna is a Duck.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Especially after this weekend.

      I was really pointing out how absolutely wrong this Bob Rickert guy had it. Everyone in the world knows Akuna is a heavy OSU lean, and maybe Florida State sweet talks him enough since he was a fan growing up. Arizona and Hawaii bring up the rear. This guy has the cajones to speculate that it’s between UO and ASU? Based on what?

      Methinks Bob is full of himself and his team and can’t see the reality beyond that.

      Less cajones and more reading comprehension please.

    • JackBeav says:
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      That said…
      I would be shocked too.

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