15.Nov.2011 Recruiting Rumors

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Jonavaughn Williams is a Beaver lean.

Cleveland Wallace is looking around, Arizona State is his co-leader.

Beavs are trying to poach safety, Julian Brooks, from Arizona.

Beavs are trying to poach CB, Devian Shelton, from Arizona.

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It's disheartening to hear about Wallace's wandering eye. Beavs really need CBs, and he has lock down skills. Since 2007, the Beavs have had a hard time finding hidden gems, so more often they're going head-to-head with superior programs and losing. Wallace could be another casualty of futility. The Beavers clearly miss Jim Gilstrap. He was the one with an eye for obscure talent…not Riley. Since 2010, Gunderson has done a good job of scouting and data mining known talent, but he hasn't proven able to locate the obscure.

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  • JackBeav says:
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    OT… SDSU has fought back at Baylor to be down only two at the half.

    Rhody at Texas in one hour on ESPN.

    Best of all… Kent St went on the road and dumped WVU.

    Woo hoo!

    • CraigBeav says:
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      Further offtopic:

      Angry, Jack:

      This site, AngryBeavs.com, obviously has much more traffic currently than does Jack’s OrangeExpress blog. On the other hand, Jack’s basketball posts there are highly informative and well written. Why not combine efforts and have Jack take over Basketball here?

      Just a thought…. I’d like to consolidate my Beaver sites, because I’m really lazy. 🙂

  • brownale9000 says:
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    Jonavaughn Williams is listed at WR on scout and ATH on Rivals and ESPN. I wonder where we project him? CB or S would seem most likely to me.

    I still think Cleveland Wallace will end up here, since ASU has 4 CB commits already (3 HS and 1 Juco). Then again, maybe he doesn’t want to look like an idiot for 4 years face-guarding guys and racking up PI calls.

    • JackBeav says:
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      DE’s back on the hot seat as well.

    • ean says:
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      is it just me or does it seem like guys are playing the ball a bit more this year?

      • TheAntiAngryBeaver says:
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        Poyer is! #2 in the country in passes defended and pass break ups.

        • slamadam says:
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          i remember leaving the spring game thinking that the coaches were trying to stear away from all the face guarding, and i agree its been a bit better this year but theres still aways to go.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    There’s some irony to OSU’s lack of on-the-field success these past two years –

    1) They seem to be able to recruit better when they don’t have a bowl game for which to prepare. I think they’ll pleasantly surprise us and keep key recruits and probably even poach one.

    2) They don’t miss out on player development in bowl-less years because they never turn extra bowl practices into on the field results the subsequent year. Despite regular bowl appearances and additional practices over the previous several seasons, OSU had the same slow starts in September, and the same low and slow player development trajectory.

    What is frustrating to me looking ahead is that OSU is not likely to maximize the current and near-future WR talent they are stockpiling. Under a good staff, you’d imagine all these receivers going in and out of the game in different, varied sets.You could imagine OSU moving quickly and opposing db’s getting tired with all of that talent and depth. Wheaton makes a big grab, than Cooks, then there’s Trosin, then there’s Mullaney, then there’s Cummings over the middle, there’s a fly sweep with Cooks, there’s Bishop or Gwacham with the fade in the corner….they can’t cover everybody! OSU is going no-huddle and Mannion’s in the groove! The pass is setting up the run, the Reser septuagenarians are quietly pissing their Depends!

    OSU still needs to shore up the RB position in this class. Agnew may be good, or he may never be healthy. Ward will never be big, but may be a nice compliment if he can hold onto the ball. Woods may get frustrated and leave….again this harkens back to the inability to capitalize on near-Rose bowls and the exposure Jacquizz brought the program (and doesn’t he look smart for not coming back this year?).

    To me a nice finish to this class would not be just the DT’s and CB’s but one surprise, legitimate RB.

    • brownale9000 says:
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      “To me a nice finish to this class would not be just the DT’s and CB’s but one surprise, legitimate RB.”

      I agree.

      Chris Brown? A few months ago, I thought I heard he was an OSU lean but he’s gotten a bunch of offers lately, including Oregon. Hopefully early playing time and getting on him early pays off.

      • ean says:
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        I agree also… The O-line deserves the majority of the blame but I am still not seeing a RB on our team that is above average.

    • matt b says:
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      How about linebackers that can run and step into the hole to make tackles?

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Well said, objcritic. Riley could stay with his pro-set and just speed it up as you suggest, surely Mannion has the brains to run some no huddle assuming the whole team practices it.

      Might want to adjust that pro-set a bit and not go play action every pass play!

      • matt b says:
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        Bad idea. Name one currently successful NFL or college team that runs a standard run of the mill pro-set like OSU. Yes there are a few examples. But they are the exception rather than the rule. Green Bay maybe. Yet they are constantly changing plays on the fly and mixing personnel groupings. They also have a qb that will run. SF no way to describe them as standard proset if you halfway understand their system. Its all about matchups and leverage in both pro and college games. Without superior personnel across the board, the proset can only win against a team of cavemen or lesser talented players. There is just too much literature and information available that identify how to neutralize a proset system.

        • oneoldbeav says:
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          We already have Mannion who was picked for pro-set, do you suggest changing horses again? It seems to me that with the tools we have (Mannion and good WR’s) objcritic’s point that fast play, moving WR’s in and out, and some no huddle make a lot of sense.

          I think it would be faster to build on the foundation this team has in the pro-set and condition/practice to speed it up rather than to institute a whole new offense, maybe a few new wrinkles but not a wholesale change. Thinking strictly short term and looking at our starting point here.

          In other words, what is more likely to turn things around offensively in the next two years: 1) Institute a completely new system which requires talents at QB which we do not have or 2) Significantly speed up our current approach, utilize the current talent at skill positions, and put in a few new wrinkles?

          • matt b says:
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            Pure choreography by shuflling players and speeding things up occasionally. The question is how do you attack a 2011 or 2012 pac 12 defense? How do you gain leverage? How do you create a man or personnel advantage at a specific place on the line of scrimmage or in secondary? More importantly, how do you create advantages with the tools you have or are likely to acquire? Perhaps Mannion can work. The question is not Katz or Mannion nor whethor Mannion projects out to be a Ryan Mallett 3 years in the future. But by not testing any other option in a losing season, the Beavers are foolishly squandering valuable resources.

        • mckalk says:
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          It seems to me that you have to have superior offense line play to be a good to great pro-set team. How Riley and company could let the talent level slip so badly either indicates arrogance in their abilities to coach up any smuck who walks on or they could see this train wreck of a season coming a mile away and hope they can ride out the storm until they get better players.

          • ean says:
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            It seems to me that you have to have superior offense line play to be a good to great team.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I didn’t mean to imply running it out of the pro set. I think there needs to be some change there that simplifies the system so players can pick it up more quickly, and players can think less and use their abilities more.

        As pointed out in other various posts over recent months, the pro set also relies heavily on play action, which teams don’t have to respect with the Beavs, in part because OSU typically lacks a back with breakaway speed (Quizz compensated with moves), and now simply because they cannot run block and do not have an established back.

        Angry has alluded to running some receiver-heavy sets more like the Patriots. I also wonder if Pittsburgh Steelers don’t offer some examples that would be productive. They run, or used to (I don’t watch pro ball anymore) 4 receiver sets but obviously don’t abandon the run game.

        I’m also not suggesting the beavs do this all the time. But if the coaching staff could be strategic and aggressive, play with some urgency, they could at times run no-huddle and I think Mannion’s got the brains and ability to operate it. As you point out, they’d need to practice it.

        The Beavs current lack of urgency, where every series, every play, every game, seems to be run with the same “we’ve-go-nothing-but-time” pace, regardless of the situation, HAS to be easy to defend against. Opponents never have to worry about match ups, or hurrying to get their substitutions in, or changing defensive personnel in time…its gonna be the same old Beavs. That strategic “Wild Katz” package at Wisconsin for one series being the lone exception…

        God I’m beating this dead horse and no more bloods coming out of it….

        • matt b says:
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          You are thinking along the right lines by identifying models that could be incorporated and by recognizing fatal flaws of the “pro-set” as it relates to OSU. Play action cannot work consistently in theory or practice with the current guys or system. Personnel grouping substitutions cannot work when you allow the defense time to substitute and match up, and when you haven’t set the trap thru proper play sequencing. You aren’t beating a dead horse. Your observations are more spot on rather than talk about firing this guy or that guy. They will be gone if you ask the right questions as opposed to attacking their character.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Don’t “turn extra bowl pratice into on the field results the subsequent year.”? Without the extra bowl pratices the Beavs failed to win a game in September. They need that extra Bowl pratice to carry over the next season’s first month success of one win.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        But go back and look at the last several years of bowl participation, and the subsequent September. There’s no correlation at OSU for bowl participation and early season performance the next year. Riley does not know how to turn those extra practices into results. I think in Septembers, Riley is running about 1-3 win-loss average.

        Even without bowl practices, they should have got their one September victory against Sac St.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Sorry, I read your response quickly and missed the sarcasm at the end….

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Offtopic:
    3-0 start?
    OSU Hoops vs Hofstra Preview:
    http://beaverbyte.com

  • beavskis says:
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    For what its worth, somebody (I think Scout) was reporting that Gilmore is shopping around and taking a look at Arkansas.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      I saw that. From what I read it was more Arkansas going after him and not so much him being interested in Arkansas. We’ll see though. Either way it’s definitely not good that he’s being courted by the number six team in the country while we’re desperately trying to get our third win of the season on Saturday.

      • helmsley says:
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        Then Gilmore must be good. Jerk though he is, Bobbie Petrino knows football.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Thank you for mentioning Gilstrap Angry. He was a helluva guy and his presence is sorely missed at OSU. Just ask Sammie Stroughter about how important Gilstrap was to him. That is respect…which I don’t think Banker or Langsdorf possess from anyone.

  • beavers4life says:
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    The wins and loss columns are important to a recruit, but its not everything to them. Meaning, why not play up these OL angles of, “if you come play for us, you will start if you’re good enough, we have a great corps of WR’s, we need big lineman like you to improve our running game because we can’t win if we can’t run the ball. the last two seasons we have struggled to run the ball. That’s the reason for the win loss column.”

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    Hey.. did you hear the great news from Corvallis!!! It’s Fan Appreciation Day!!!

    Popcorn, hot chocolate and coffee will be “discounted” for the UW game. I was on the fence, but now…count me in!

    Those guys are marketing geniuses! Leave early this promotion will plug up I-5. JB

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    So what’s your actual reason for being here? Are you a fan? Do you have a sincere appreciation for this team or school? I can appreciate your shit talking and fucking with people but enough is enough. How about you be real for once and let us know what you are all about. Stop hiding behind PBH! You probably have a lot to say and we can all tell you are at the level of Angry or Jack, so use it and stop being a jackass.

    • OStateJake says:
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      The act will continue for as long as you continue to recognize it

      • mckalk says:
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        I can appreciate his sarcasm, it’s been a long season, but it is a one note act and where does he go with it when football season is over? Also, what does he do if the ship is righted next year?

        • StarcraftSquall says:
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          One can only hope that that’s a question we get an answer to. (The second one).

        • sparkyd73 says:
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          My prediction: He will change his name to JayJohnhead and continue his shtick for the basketball season.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Way to go….now he is off and running.

            As to what he is all about….comeon! He is a duck fan who wants to be on this site and rub it it. He is not satisfied with UO talking NC while OSU plays doormat. In other words, a typical duck fan.

            If I were Angry, he would last only one or two posts.

  • OrangeExpress says:
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    further OT: is it me or is our current ‘new’ interlocking ‘OS’ a huge step backward from our old school block orange ‘O’ we briefly brought back a decade ago? i understand the marketing dept wanting to separate us with other OSUs particularly okla st but however you slice it we are both OSU and similar colors – so why not dust off our original ‘O’ – which looks much more distinguished and clean that what the marketing geniuses decided on. thoughts?

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Agree.

      Always liked that big fuckin orange O. Still have one on the back of my work truck.

      Looks cool on the front of a black hat too. Would look simple and to the point on the side of a flat black football helmet. Maybe on one side with the player’s # on the other side.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      What’s interesting and ironic to me is that Oregon State, in seeking to distinguish itself from Oklahoma State (and Ohio State?) went with the the interlocking OS. U Oregon went with the singular O about a decade ago. The interlocking OS is more like the old interlocking UO of Oregon…so the schools have switched. I’ve talked to (young) Duck fans who think UO first had the singluar “O”, and that OSU is copying them when they use the singluar “O.”

      I think the OS is weak, but can’t see this administration moving away from it and taking a unified approach to its graphics.

      • JackBeav says:
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        The interlocking OS is actually what oSu used not too long ago. You’ll see it every now and then when their baseball team goes retro.

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        agreed, i was just talking with a duck friend and told him they stole our O – and put a nike spin on it as to not become a complete rip-off. i seriously think our marketing powers that be are dropping the ball on this. that is where the ducks have really pulled away from us – marketing. seems like a moot point but good marketing pays huge dividends in branding a school and recruiting. would mention an orange ‘S’ but syracuse uses that. our forefathers had it right the first time, big block O will always be OSU – and is by far superior to anything i’ve seen since.

    • angry angry says:
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      I’ve always disliked the OS. I think the Beavs should either be OSU and let their play on the field distinguish them from the other OSUs (heck, Ok State didn’t run from Ohio State) or go to an O. I also think a single “B” (for Beavers) is a good idea. I can’t think of a school that does that.

      The OS uses a terrible font. It’s not minimal or elegant nor is it powerful. It looks like the result of an average marketing team who compromised on bolder ideas.

    • Trev says:
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      I disagree. I actually like the interlocking OS. I don’t love it, but it is certainly the best of what we currently have. I’d like to see the Angry Beaver go away completely, replaced by the OS everywhere. Then use old-school Benny sparingly for special occasion retro gear/unis. Consistency is key.

      We need to tighten things up/simplify. Another logo to rule them all (even if it’s just bringing back an old one) will just create more confusion, unfortunately.

      • Fightingbeaver says:
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        I disagree totally. The fighting beaver logo is the only thing that even relates to being tough. The fighting beaver took us to the Fiesta Bowl, and reflected the confidence and swagger our players showed. The interlocking OS is what Riley wants to leave as part of his so called legacy. Anyway, why should we drop the “U” in OSU, I like OSU. Remember, most sports followers look down on State colleges as being somewhat inferior to Universities. At least OSU indicates we are a top notch University. Anything that is part of the Erickson era, Riley and BDC wants to do away with.

        Fightingbeaver

        • JackBeav says:
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          Fighting Beaver? It looks so much like a beaver that we actually have to tell people in dissimilar 70’s cursive script underneath that it’s a beaver.

          I like Benny. He’s recognizable east of the Rockies as our mascot, and he’s still cool with the younger crowd. You cannot say the same for the angry muskrat on either count. If we have to go with a likeness, then make it abstract like Beaver Coach or the high school up in the Seattle area who has what I think is a really cool abstract. i need to look for it now.

          I’m a proponent of numbers on one side of a black helmet with one solid orange stripe. But if i were to go with letters, I would go with just the O. I like the block O, but I can see how that might be confused with tOSU. So I would go with the same font the Cincinnati Reds and Chicago Bears use for their wishbone C logos, but I would close it off to make an O.

          Anyone have photoshop or something similar to mirror the left side of those logos to make an O?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Look at Chicago Bear’s use of orange and their uniforms…a bit modern with a definite old-school look. Something OSU could accomplish with tweaks to the “giant killers.”

      Though I’d love to see OSU really reclaim and use black as their home color, and do it in tasteful way.

    • SanDiegoBeav says:
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      I actually don’t know what the Oregon State logo is! I watched the basketball game the other day and I saw the main beaver logo at center court, the OS logo in two other places, I saw “Oregon State” in the new font painted at one end of the court, and saw “Oregon State Beavers” painted in a different font above the lower level seating area. Furthermore, the signage on the outside of Reser is horrible, the signage on the outside of the baseball stadium is totally different (and looks good)…and I still don’t think there is a sign on outside of Gill! I could go on and on…

      Who is responsible for this (lack of) marketing? I think the AD checked out way before this football season ever began.

  • helmsley says:
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    Somewhat wary of Hofstra – although they’ll be playing at 10 p.m. their time after a 3000 mile trip.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      They’re a good squad. I think the Beavers win by 10-15 points but they’ll be challenged for a while. If the Beavers don’t come ready and focused early on they get find themselves in quite a hole. They got some ballers. We’ll learn more about the Beavers tonight. If they come out early and dominate Hofstra from the opening tip, then I think we can all feel really good about their chances this weekend in East Rutherford, NJ. I already felt they would make a statement this weekend and do some damage, so if they do I won’t be surprised. I got high expectations for these guys. I’m probably one of the few but that’s fine.

      • helmsley says:
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        See Orange Express for a thorough analysis of tonight’s game.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Ducks just landed another top running back recruit who OSU had an offer out to (nearly every team had an offer to this guy, so that’s no surprise) Byron Marshall. The rich get richer.

    Also, why aren’t we going after this kid? A solid CB with a name like that? Seems like it would be a given we would show interest in him.
    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Brandon-Beaver-118453

    • Fightingbeaver says:
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      We are not going after this RB or other good recruits because of these two reasons……BDC and Mike Riley. Get the picture? Its like they don’t care……Riley and BDC put together a “lifetime” contract and its anchored in cement.

      Fightingbeaver

      • beaverbeliver says:
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        That Marshall kid should have come to OSU. He could play here tomorrow. He will be on the bench for a long time in Eugene. I hope they sign a bunch of tailbacks this year, then maybe there wont be room for Tyner next year. Anyone know what Tyner’s status is lately?

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Still a heavy Duck lean. He goes to every home game in Eugene. He’s also injured again. The guy has had hamstring, concussion and ankle issues all in the span of 1 year. Not a good thing at the age of 16.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Marshall is a really good fit with the Ducks. He’s a speed rusher who doesn’t run inside the tackles. Just get him the ball in space and point the way. He would not be a great back in the zone read between the tackles, but he can be spectacular if he doesn’t get broken in Nikegon’s system.

      I want Chris Brown from San Joaquin Memorial. That kid is just a flat out baller, between the tackles, in space, on the second level, it doesn’t matter where.

      • angry angry says:
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        I agree, Chris Brown is the best prospect if the options are Marshall, Tyner, and Brown. I know that’s blasphemy given how people here love Tyner. Oh well.

        Last I heard (a month ago) Brown no longer had interest in the Beavs.

  • angry angry says:
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    RB David Smith no longer looking at OSU.

    • Warren says:
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      If we get Chris Brown I honestly won’t care. Now with UO getting Marshall, I think they’re out of the pic for Brown.

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        we need someone… maybe Storm Woods is that good but we definitely need an every down back.

      • angry angry says:
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        I’ve heard Chris Brown has no interest anymore. Have you heard otherwise?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Where do Brown’s interests lie? Arizona schools? According to scout, UCLA and USC is not offering. Oregon is loaded. I would expect the Arizona schools, with UW, and OSU, are his best options.

        With no bowl to prepare for, the coaching staff needs to really turn up the heat on this kid and land him.

        • angry angry says:
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          Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Washington, Cal, and Notre Dame.

          He has 20 known offers so…

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Just playing with hypothetical scenarios here.

    Considering Riley’s expensive buyout and the number of years he has left on his contract, as well as Bob DeCarolis’ health situation, does anybody support or reject the following as a possibility?

    Bobby D steps down for health reasons after next season and Riley replaces Bobby D as athletic director. Then, the Beavs are able to hire a head football coach who still has the drive to win and Riley gets to continue working for the school he loves. Of course this could lead to Riley hiring Langsdorf as the new head football coach (see kidney).

    Just dreaming of scenarios where we could see Riley moving out as head coach, without needing to pay the expensive buyout. I think the first piece to fall will have to be DeCarolis. I don’t see him keeping his post long term considering the toll Parkinson’s will take on his quality of life. I know I would want to get away from the job and live life to the fullest if I were diagnosed.

    If Riley slid over into the AD role, we could start working on improving the program. Of course, a move like this could leave to Pat Casey leaving the school, considering he allegedly covets the AD role when he’s finished coaching baseball. Just thoughts I’m throwing out there to see what others think….

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I think promoting Riley would likely only spread his complacency across the athletic department and it likely result in little no/change in the football program.

      Bobby D needs to replace him for the right reasons – Riley’s made progress, but doesn’t have the answers to get the program to the next level. Give an opportunity to someone who has energy, demonstrated success elsewhere, and offers thoughtful solutions to additional progress in a competitive interview process.

    • angry angry says:
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      Riley as AD; I shudder to think…

  • angry angry says:
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    The only solution to the Riley situation: make life so unpleasant for him that he retires. Or, hope he admits he has no fire/can’t get it done and retires on his own. That would be the classy thing to do.

    In five years, they will have enough money to buy out the remaining 4 years.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Make Pat Casey his boss. Casey’s not a good old boy apologist pussy,and he’ll demand results.

    If nothing else he’ll force Riley to shitcan his ineffective buttbuddies and get a real coaching staff. Then if Riley still can’t make it happen he can hit the bricks.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    No … I dont think you want the wrong person, which is what Riley has become, as AD. Dont reward bad service.

    If BDC retires it SHOULD be Pat Casey who gets the reward.

    Riley brought the program up from its doormat status, but now is letting it slip back. So he gets no credit at all. He added, then he subtracted.

    As to getting a good running back, why in hell would any decent back want to be at OSU?? We had Quizz Rogers and in the end drove him away with the poor OL. We need to redo the OL such that a prospect looks and thinks, wow, if they just had me now, I could run wild.

    Yes, UO stocks up on rb’s but look at the current situation. They have LMJ but still find plays for the new kid, D’anthony Thomas. And the offense is designed to make running a success. Why in hell wouldnt a good back prefer that over OSU?

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      OK, I’ll bite. If I’m a RB and I see the history of MR backs and then look at this recruiting class of OL, I might want to come.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Was just reading that Seth Jacobs narrowed his list down to 3 last week with Arizona St, Arkansas, and Oregon on top. Was really hoping he was considering joining his teammates who already committed to OState the last couple of weeks.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Talk that next year the Civil War may be played on October 15th http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/11/16/pac-12-football-get-ready-for-rivalry-games-in-october/

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      Horrible. Sell outs. This sport is doomed.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        It doesn’t bother me actually. Too many years the Civil War has been won by the team that survived the year with the least injuries. Plus, the years where it would occur in December meant you were watching football in freezing weather conditions. I’d much rather watch a mid-October game with the chance of some sunshine.

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          At this point, I could give two shits as to where that loss will fall on the schedule.

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          They are probably scheduling the Civil War with OSU early so Oregon has a chance to play a good team before December. I can not believe how some of our fans have a “don’t care” attitude about what has happened to the Beavers football program. The ducks would have had the head coach and AD ousted by now. Maybe we are inferior.

          Fightingbeaver

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Indeed. As you pointed out on another thread, soon NCAA DI football will really only be about the same 30 or less “relevant” teams (more so than now).

        Look at the trend in narrowing of the NC game, with SEC dominance, and the rear view look at programs resulting in the vacating of league and national championships (Georgia Tech, USC, Ohio State, etc.). Oregon is playing right into that scenario, including the shady ethics, while OSU is trending towards irrelevance.

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      Given Riley’s slow starts, this is not a good thing. Not only are he and Banker befuddled by Kelly, move the game up to October, and OSU is usually just “finding its identity” while UO is rolling along.

      Be interesting to see how the energy and dynamics change for the teams – particularly the losing team (OSU).

  • WFO WFO says:
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    It would appear that Riley is starting to look over Banker’s shoulder at practice:

    “Riley watched the defense practice, which is unusual, for the second day in a row. He has concerns stopping Washington RB Chris Polk.

    “You are talking about the strength of the Huskies and what’s not a strength of ours,” Riley said. “We have to do a better job, be relentless against the run and tackle better.” ”

    http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2011/11/16/washington-midweek-practice/

    • angry angry says:
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      Uh oh.

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      Well, that’s great. What difference does it make now if Riley watches practice. I mean, he is the head coach. Shouldn’t he have been watching practice all season? He should be taking a look at the offense, defense, and special teams.

      Comparing Riley to Craig Robinson, there is one thing I’ve always like about CR over Riley. When CR got to Corvallis, he continued to say, “we just don’t have enough talent to compete in this league. We are going to have to go back to fundamentals and do some different things since we just can’t match up with the good schools.” (yes, I know I’m paraphrasing). CR wasn’t concerned with letting his players know he didn’t think they were good enough, he just said it as it was. I wish Riley would say, “yes, our O-line and D-line talent just isn’t good enough right now. We need better players in those positions to anchor our offense and defense. Once we get those better players, you’ll notice us doing some different things to take advantage of their skill sets.”

      Surely Riley sees what the rest of us see. Why doesn’t he just come out and acknowledge what he sees. At least the fans will understand where he is coming from and won’t wonder if Riley is competent or not.

  • matt b says:
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    For those of you that are able to attend the game on Saturday, can you watch a few things that would help us with questions for MR? On defense, do the Beavers send in personnel packages to immediately respond to changes by the Huskies or is the substitution pattern only dictated by down and distance? Does the Defensive line set up then slant into running lanes or go low to cause piles or try to otherwise occupy more than 1 Huskie blocker per Beaver? Do the interior linebackers vary the location for their positioning so that Huskie blocking assignments are not easily predictable? On offense, do the Beavers bring in a personnel package and get the play off before the Huskies can change? Do the Beavers ever call 2 plays in the huddle after a personnel package change in order to catch the Huskies off guard? Is Mannion allowed to change the play at the line of scrimmage? Do they have a hot read? Do the Beavers vary the qb drop from 3 step to 5 step to 7 step to half roll to full roll out? Do the Beaver vary the cadence or count from quick snap, to standard snap to long count snap? Turn those questions around and ask if the Huskies are doing those things.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Has Buker answered any of silverstream’s questions??
    I see Buker will be on chat today 2pm, maybe someone can ask?
    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2011/11/live_chat_preview_washington_h.html

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