16.Nov.2011 Hofstra @ Oregon State

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We're starting a new feature today where Jack Beav gives an opinion, and then I counter it. Sometimes we will agree, sometimes we won't. This feature will only apply to basketball since I consider Jack Beav the expert on the subject, and I admittedly have only a cursory knowledge of x/o's, and rely more on my eye and human psychology when analyzing hoops. You can check out JB's blog (http://orangeexpress.wordpress.com/) for recruiting info, post game commentary, etc.

Jack Says:

Mo Cassara had some questions about his Pride going into this season. Hofstra’s leader for the last several years, All-American guard Charles Jenkins is gone. And Cassara is looking to fill all the roles left in the void. The answer for the second year head coach seems to lie with his two 6’5″ senior swing men, Nat Lester and Mike Moore. Lester sat out last year due to injury, so he’s been itching to get back on the court. And he did it in a big way on Friday in Hofstra’s home opener against Long Island University with 33 points in 36 minutes, both game highs. Moore was pegged as the heir apparent to Jenkins at the 2, and he turned in a 23 point, 35 minute effort of his own.

But how much can be read into this game? LIU is a diminutive team in a lower D1 league, the Northeast Conference. They stand to have decent success within that league, but they’re a soft defensive team who looks to run you off the floor. Unless you have Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble, that’s a tough task against bigger teams from bigger conferences. And the Colonial Athletic Association is a bigger, tougher league.

But Hofstra didn’t win with size and interior mismatches. They won with an active match-up zone where their back court mismatches created a ton of TO’s. And they slowed the game down to their pace midway through the first half to take control of a game which looked like it might run away at the start. LIU invited the outside shot by sitting in a zone of their own, and Hofstra killed them with it.

So the Pride comes to Gill planning to slow the game and look for perimeter opportunities on long possessions. They lack interior depth with only 6’7″ junior David Imes and 6’7″ frosh Moussa Kone being spelled occasionally by 6’8″ soph Stephen Nwaukoni. So Cassara will run with a small line-up when he has to do so.

5’9″ junior PG Stevie Mejia is good at times. But he does not use his smaller stature to create on offense or to bother perimeter handles on defense. His handle is loose, and he doesn’t create space for his own shot. And 6’3″ soph Shemiye McClendon is still trying to find his way, though he does seem to possess better quickness and uses his length to make plays on either end with some good hustle.

Other than the two stars, the player to be concerned with is 6’0″ senior Dwan McMillan. He provided an instant energy when he came off the bench on Friday. And Hofstra used that energy to get themselves moving. He’s disruptive in the zone D, and he gets enough space to create on offense. He didn’t shoot much against LIU, but he had Lester and Moore open on cuts and perimeter kicks all night. So why bother?

So these are the games the Beavs have lost in the past which make us as fans scratch our heads. They’re smaller, slower and not nearly as deep. They’re still putting the pieces together, but their coach has them playing tough and smart. And their senior leadership has the ability to pick up the pieces if nothing else is working.

I think this match-up greatly favors the Beavs new style. If we were to sit in a zone on this team, they would take those opportunities and run up some ridiculous numbers on us. But a man D with an interior advantage should make for another quick game. Active feet on the perimeter will invite cuts and dribble entries looking for interior holes. And active hands and feet… oh, and length… will stymie those attempts.

Hofstra will attempt to slow the pace by trying to beat a Beavs man D which forces a pace of its own. If they try to hold the ball for too long, they just won’t be able to do so. Every pass, every dribble is an invitation to take the ball away. And our boys are pretty damn good at doing just that. So a slow start for the Pride will not force the same from the Beavs.

But they are a better team than the previous two teams the Beavs have faced. They will find spells where they will control pace if allowed. When that happens, the Beavs need to learn to dig deep and push through those runs. They need to hustle that extra step on D, and they need to find that extra burst at mid-court when running in transition. Then they need to find the mismatches and the hot hand on offense. And those will be there if they look.

I can see several scenarios where the Pride come into Gill and take this game. They’re skilled enough with the players they have to beat any team who takes them for granted. But this year’s Beavs aren’t taking anyone for granted. They will be all over Hofstra from the tip, and they won’t stop.

At least I hope they won’t stop, because Hofstra is not a team who will lie down just because they’re behind. It will take a complete game effort to win a game which the Beavs should win. I think Hofstra will succeed in slowing the pace a little bit. But I also think this game will be played at the speed the Beavs want to play. We’re not going to see the same 90 point efforts we’ve seen the Beavs fall on in the last two games. If we push 90 tonight, it will be because of a complete game effort and a Hofstra let down. I guess that’s possible, but I don’t expect it. This is a Hofstra team who scored on an alarming percentage of their second half possessions against LIU. So if they get hot, they can win the second half and the game.

I do not expect the home team to allow this. I expect a comfortable win.

Beavs 82 – Pride 67

Angry Says

Having grown up in NJ, I frequently watched Hofstra athletics. While they're never physically gifted (think Wayne Crebet, the prototypical Hoftra athlete), they're always gritty, smart, well-coached, and make up for a lack of speed and size with positioning. The Beavers, meanwhile, use rangy, fast athletes to try and overwhelm their opponent. This game should be a contrast of styles.

My feeling is that Hofstra will play an efficient and deliberate half court offense. The (slow) pace will disrupt the Beavers' tempo, ultimately frustrating them into turnovers and sloppy play. Now that the Beavers are 2-0 and facing a decent opponent, the home attendance should improve. With that, the pressure increases. Are they ready for the semi-prime time?

The Beavers have better athletes and depth, but I'm not convinced they have the mettle to beat an intelligent, gritty opponent. Granted, part of this opinion derives from last year's team, so it is probably not entirely fair. However, part of the opinion comes from knowing OSU athletics never move both linear and upward. Therefore, the smart money says this is a "one step backward" game. Last year I wrote that until I see the Beavs do it on the court, I'd continue to bet against them.

72-64, Hofstra

As always when betting against the Beavs, I hope to be wrong.

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  • locusimperium says:
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    you guys are great, thanks!

  • angry angry says:
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    PS. You guys should think up a good name for the feature. Winner gets…a glowing reference.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    I was looking at the two rosters yesterday and we have a huge advantage with size down low. I’ll be looking for us to continue playing well with the big men (Brandt, Burton, and Moreland) and I agree with JackBeav that this shouldn’t be a game for very long.

  • helmsley says:
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    I wonder if this game will come down to coaching. Can CR adjust, if necessary?

  • ean says:
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    seems to me like the Beavers should know how to react to a slow it down grind it out team that plays a lot of zone seeing as though that is what they were last year.

  • RipCity808 says:
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    A good name for the feature… How about Angry vs. Happy? haha. I don’t know about the name, but I do know that this Beavs team is the polar opposite from last year’s squad. They play suffocating in-your-face man-to-man defense, love to fast break, and use the 1-3-1 zone sparingly as a purely situational D to throw off the opponent’s rhythm. I’m with Jack on this one. Beavs remain undefeated, 78-70.

  • slamadam says:
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    beavers struggle but rebounding carries them. 74 65.

  • JackBeav says:
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    Don’t let the slow down fool you. They are a team who likes to take advantage of transition hoops if their opponent is lazy. Think of them like ASU was a couple years ago… match-up zone D, run when the opportunity arises… slow, methodical half court sets when running isn’t an option… dribble entries and dishes to to the arc or the cut.

    The difference in this game may well be the extra effort Hofstra will need to make just to get boards. While our bigs will eat space (Joe) or tip it to themselves, they’ll have to work twice as hard to get those balls.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Beavs win primarily because of the size advantage and controlling the rebounding. I also think they’ll send Jared to the hole vs. Moore early in an attempt to put Hofstra in early foul trouble.

    Beavs play Texas and either NC State or Vanderbilt week between tonight and Monday. Dare to dream, but if the Beavs come out of this unbeaten, they should receive a top 25 ranking. It’s no easy task, but Texas has looked beatable early, with their youth and sloppy play. Vanderbilt has already proven themselves beatable by losing to Cleveland State and playing a close game, but ultimately beating Oregon last week.

  • JackBeav says:
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    And the Beavs are playing a tougher, smarter brand of hoops this year as well. They get in position and take charges instead of reaching or chasing the wrong passes. They move the interior with good leverage instead of pushing and shoving. And they’ve kept an even keel on both ends.

    • RipCity808 says:
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      Angus said one of the main things he learned from playing with the Australian National team was defensive positioning. Last game he showed just that by stepping up and taking 2 charges. Can’t believe it took this long for the NCAA to approve the restricted area arc.

  • JackBeav says:
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    Princeton @ NC State right now on ESPNU. Princeton is breaking down NCS defense with the backdoor offense, but they started by missing two wide open lay ups.

    • RipCity808 says:
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      Princeton 35, NC State 32 at half.

    • mckalk says:
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      I think you are confused it sounds like you are watching a DVR recording of Oregon St. versus Stanford last year.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    I expect to see Hofstra hang around the first 15 minutes and maybe even lead, but I think the Beavers kick up their intensity a notch and take control of the game. I think they will push the lead up to about 20 in the second half and win 83-64. Collier, Burton and Brandt are going to do a lot of damage and Jared, Roberto and Ahmad are gonna knock down the three ball. I also think the Beavers will continue their trend of forcing a lot of turnovers and getting out in the open court where they are deadly.

    It will be a fun game

  • locusimperium says:
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    is there a feed out there?

  • OrangeExpress says:
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    beavs are a 10pt favorite…….. swarming man D along with team chemistry coming together get it done.

    beavs 78 pride 70

  • FriendOfTheProgram says:
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    Beavs should take this but I’ll be silently rooting for Hofstra. I’m originally from Long Island so that program (R.I.P. football) is kind of near and dear to my heart.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Going to the game again tonight at Gill.

    Looking forward to seeing how OSU deals with Nat Lester and Mike Moore (two 6’5″ seniors from Hofstra with good offensive skills). Matching up against those guys may prove an interesting challenge for the Beavs. Jared Cunningham (at 6’4″) will guard one of them when the Beavs go man-to-man. Not so clear who guards the other 6’5″ guy. Devon Collier may be a step slow. Joe Burton and Angus Brandt — probably two steps slow. Maybe Eric Moreland (6’10” — but very agile for his size) could do it.

    I could see this game being tougher than expected, because of our difficulty defending against both of Hofstra’s two talented senior swingmen at the same time.

    Of course, Hofstra will have its own matchup problems on the other end of the court — since Hofstra is much smaller than the Beavs. If Brandt, Burton, and Moreland are aggressive inside, they could be playing ping-pong on the backboards all night. Hope that’s how it turns out.

    Also interested to watch Roberto Nelson, and see whether he can do a better job on defense (staying in front of his man by moving his feet) and in contributing to the offense in ways other than shooting (by making smarter decisions and moving faster and more decisively, both with and without the ball).

    Go Beavs!

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    This looks too much like “He – She Said” from another Beaver site, but doing it is a post-game review.

    I appreciate the breakdown of the oppossing team, I say keep that portion, leave the predictions for another thread.

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    Another stream link. I find this one to be better than the one posted above, fewer pop-ups.

    http://apps.ohlulz.com/ncaa/flash.php?lulz=rtmp://cp98724.live.edgefcs.net:1935/live&id=orst_m-baskbl@31490

  • osu2008 says:
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    This to me is a must win game. The team needs to get a win tonight to gain some confidence that they can compete and beat good teams.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      Agreed. This is one of those games that could set the tempo for the whole season. Starting 3-0 will give our guys a ton of confidence heading into the weekend match up against Texas. As fans we really need this team to come through for us after this disaster of a football season that we’ve just witnessed. Let’s go Beavs!

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    More fans in the stands tonight, hopefully on December 4th against the Montana Grizzlies the place will be pretty full.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Beavers came out slow and weren’t playing good D but after falling down 6-0 they kicked it up a notch and are taking control. I kind of expected that to happen.

    • brownale9000 says:
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      Because a team makes a shot doesn’t mean the defense was bad. We made the rotations quickly and got a hand in the guy’s face. Sometimes you have to tip your hat to a good shot.

      • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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        Uh, no. One of the threes was wide open and they were getting to the rim with ease. That’s not good defense.

  • brownale9000 says:
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    I love our defense this year. Even on their two made threes, nice defensive rotations and we got a hand in the shooter’s face. Couple charges drawn already.

    For the first time in a long while, we have players I can actually envision playing professionally.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      I like our depth this year too. Moreland and Nelson coming off the bench is huge because we can give our starters a break without having a huge drop off in production.

  • mckalk says:
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    The team is actually attacking a zone. Great passing, man Burton has that 12 footer anytime he wants it, he needs to stick a couple of them.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Why did we switch to a zone? It seemed like the man defense was working fine?

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Personally, I would like to see Eric Moreland as the first big guy off the bench

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      I was thinking the same thing. Mcshane brings good effort but I’d like to see if Moreland can continue having big games.

      • mckalk says:
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        At some point I don’t see why McShane would play more than a minute or two. Last year, it seemed like CR put him out there to show some of the losers what it meant to give an all out effort. That is not needed now and McShane’s D2 skill set is getting constantly exposed.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      Speak of the devil!

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Gotta make your free throws

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Beavers have had some great stretches but also some poor stretches. The last few possessions on offense have not been good.

  • mckalk says:
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    These officials are the worst kind…inconsistent.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Beavers aren’t getting the ball in the paint. Too much dribbling and no ball movement.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Probably just my imagination but it seems like the Beavs’ offense was better when Brandt was in there. Maybe it’s some other substitution(s) that have made the difference.

  • Beavker says:
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    I’m following on a game tracker, so I’m missing a lot of details…how many fouls do the Beavs have?18!?

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      13 for OSU
      11 for Hofstra

      1:44 to go in 1st half

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      you can track stats on gametracker

      • Beavker says:
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        My App doesn’t have the stats for this one. It shows the scores, time, and even the ‘last play’…just seems in the first 10 minutes all I was was ‘foul on OSU #x, found on OSU#y’ over and over.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    14-0 run for Hofstra. The Beavers are completely stagnant on offense. Not having Brandt or Collier in there is hurting.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Starks has had a bad first half.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’m starting to get pissed re CR’s substitutions. bwdik

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    I like that we’re rotating players in and out of the game but I’m puzzled as to why Mcshane is getting more playing time than Brandt so far. You can’t tell me Brandt is still tired.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    They need to scrap the 1-3-1 for the remainder of the night. It has caused a turnover but it is allowing Hofstra to get to the rim with ease.

  • mckalk says:
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    I don’t like how easily Hofstra is getting to the basket.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      It’s bad defense. The guards need to bend their knees and keep their man in front of them. They’re just letting them blow by them. Starks is always reaching and guys go right by him when he does that.

    • helmsley says:
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      Hofstra makes it look easy. What’s their percentage? I fear this will come down to coaching.

      • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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        Foul trouble is the key. When Collier and Brandt were in there the Beavers take control of the game. When they were out Hofstra got back into it and took the lead. McShane getting a lot of minutes is a problem. Moreland had a struggle in the first half. He made some plays but he also made mistakes on defense. They need Collier and Brandt to stay out of foul trouble in the second half. If they do that they’ll take control of the game.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    What does it mean when your big man has 7 times the assists your PG has at the half. PG looking for his own shots a little too much maybe?

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      Burton is the point forward. They run their offense through him. He’s the one they want distributing the ball.

  • angry angry says:
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    Halftime thoughts: Beavs have controlled the tempo…really fast paced game. Burton is much improved this year. Beavs have been sloppy and forced some threes. Overall a meh performance, but better than last year’s team.

  • locusimperium says:
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    how bout “angryjack off”? sorry i couldn’t help myself, lowbrow I know

  • mckalk says:
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    I’d like to Murphy get some of McShane’s minutes.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      Same. Murphy has a good three point shot. The Beavers could really use that in the second half.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Cunningham trying to take this one over.

  • angry angry says:
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    It’s hard to figure why they wouldn’t box out.

  • angry angry says:
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    Whenever Collier is in there good things happen…noticed his last year, too.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Cunningham!

  • angry angry says:
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    Beavs are actually getting away with some fouls…nice to see them get calls for a change. Guess that’s what happens when you’re the favorite in any game/sport.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    The Beavers are so good when they can get out in the open court. They’re forcing turnovers early in the second half and are taking control of this one. More of that would be nice.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Burton’s line so far:
    4 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 2 turnovers.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Nelson and Starks need to give the Beaves something offensively. They’ve been dreadful offensively tonight.

  • angry angry says:
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    A lot more slashing to the hoop…love that. Really hated all the early shot clock/forced 3s last year (Wallace + Haynes). Ugh.

  • Trev says:
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    I don’t think Parker knows what rhetorical means…

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Aside from the non rotation on the blown lay-in by Hofstra the rotation defense has been really good this half

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Man. Nelson and Starks cannot make a shot at all.

  • angry angry says:
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    Did they just boo Nelson? Yikes.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Horrible officiating.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    I’m no basketball strategist, but I’d leave Brandt in here even with four fouls. He does no good sitting on the bench the whole game anyways. If he fouls out, he fouls out. And he’ll still be sitting on the bench.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Amen. I’ve been yelling that at my monitor every game I’ve seen this year.

  • helmsley says:
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    Jeez – Cunningham has scored nearly half the team’s points!

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Gotta believe Coach Rob is running out of patience with Roberto Nelson. I really have no idea what’s up with him. Something is definitely wrong. He is playing some really bad basketball.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    I feel like our undergrads are less attractive than they were when I was there.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    That shot by Starks was actually a bad shot but he nailed it. Wouldn’t like him taking that kind of shot often but at least he hit it.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    If the Beavers lose it will be because of free throws. 16 of 25 is not good.

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      Hofstra has missed 9 free throws, so it’s evened out.

      1-11 from 3pt range is much more of a concern to me.

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    cunningham having a career night. note to CR – basketball fundamentals 101 – shot goes up – BOX OUT! guys just standing around out there.

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    The Beavers are missing point blank shots and free throws. They should have a double digit lead right now.

  • angry angry says:
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    Gut check time.

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    Re: Nelson….if he keeps this up, it looks like Murphy is ready to go.

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    Just a horrible night at the free throw line.

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    Damn Starks is definitely having an off game.

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    I have thought Roberto has looked a step slow since he started getting playing time.

  • angry angry says:
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    Why is the crowd booing? I don’t get it.

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      I was wondering that too. It’s every time their guard (McMillan?) gets the ball. I didn’t see what happened.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Perhaps because of how rough Hofstra is playing?

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        That was my impression – they seemed to be trying a hoodlum approach.

    • Wriggy says:
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      It was because #11 was running his mouth the entire game and being cheap. So we (the student section) decided to boo him whenever he got the ball…

    • RipCity808 says:
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      #11 McMillan was the dude who got a technical for standing, and then trying to walk over one of our players.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    I’ve never understood why OSU insists on having the student section on the opposite side of the arena as the benches? Wouldn’t it make sense to put them behind the opponent for not only the home court advantage, but to also give the appearance of a more well attended game? It’s painful to have to stare at those empty sideline seats for the entire game, while the other side of the arena has the student filling up their section. Is there a rule about where you can seat the students? I could have sworn when I went to school the students were behind the bench for a few years.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      I don’t think any colleges have their student section behind the benches. I’m assuming for rowdiness reasons. You don’t want to have drunken college students picking fights with the opposing team.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        if that’s the case, why not move the bench to the opposite side of the court? there’s no need to have them visible on tv all game long. They could really benefit from having the crowd visible since they’re the only section currently representing right now.

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      have been wondering that for years – it would certainly look better for the TV audience. yet another head scratcher for our marketing dept – a dept that once again seems out to lunch.

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    Their’s less than five minutes left. Why don’t we put Brandt back in now instead of McShane? Who cares if he fouls out at this point?

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      It would be nice to have another offensive threat and a decent foul shooter out on the floor.

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      Imo he has the potential to play a roll and help the team if he can learn to not foul so much. Imo that takes game minutes, not bench minutes.

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    Nelson had a bad night, but that 3 was clutch/gave them some distance.

    Beavs need to finish this off…drive to the hoop, go to the line, make free throws.

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    Has Cunningham been in the whole game?

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    we should be winning the battle of the boards by 10 with our size. guys need to box out.

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    Who would have thought Burton would get a double-double without scoring 10 points?

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    It’s nice to see a Beaver team make lay-ups though!

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    See Brandt move somebody out of the way so Collier(?) could make that lay in?

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    Uh oh. Hopefully Cunningham is fine. Cunningham hurting his wrist would be the equivalent to James Rodgers hurting his knee for our basketball team.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Crunch time and he puts McShane in? WTF!!!

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      it was a defensive possession. McShane defended better than Brandt tonight. I am a big opponent of leaving McShane in for long shifts but that is a good situation to bring him in in.

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    3-0! Bring on the Longhorns!

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    And in one week the basketball team surpasses the football team in wins.

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    JackBeav, you realize if we combined our two scores we were exactly right? Beavs scored 82 as you said, Hofstra scored 72 as I said. haha.

    Good pick.

    3-0, sweet. Riley is the happiest man in Corvallis. The basketball season is going to take some heat off him.

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      anybody else notice the Beavs were favored by 10 in Vegas for this game. Funny how that works out.

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    Woooo!!!! Go Beavs!

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    can someone explain why mcshane is getting roughly the same minutes as moreland?

    nice win tonight – we needed that

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      CR and McShane are definitely in a bro-mance. I see the hustle, but at some point there are more talented players on the bench. McShane was not even a dominant player at the community college level.

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    I don’t think I saw Burton jump for a rebound once in the last ten minutes.

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    Nice to see the first three games go as they should without any head scratchers. I do think someone is going to get smart and pack a zone tight against the Beavs and dare Starks, Nelson, Cunningham to beat them with threes.

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      Nelson, Starks and Cunningham are good shooters. They’ll start nailing threes consistently. Tonight they just couldn’t hit from there. However, they didn’t keep jacking em up from there. They went inside and scored. That was good to see.

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        They will get tested. Other coaches are going to look at the athleticism around the basket and try to take that away from the Beavs.

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    Played a bad game and still came away with a double digit win. I really like this team.

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    I don’t like iso dependent offenses but I think calling a few iso sets for Berto might not be a bad way to get him into the flow of the game. He looks like he could be a highly efficient scorer. Moreland showed why he is still technically a freshman. I think good things will come from him but he is going to be inconsistent. Nice to see Burton with some teammates capable of gathering a pass, he seems improved too but the guys that couldn’t catch are gone and the other players appear more ready for his toss. Big guys played poorly tonight. The 3 guard lineup out rebounded the big lineup. Like the 3 guard look. Wondering where Rhys is at. Seems like we are missing a true SF.

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    Cunningham is leading the Pac-12 in scoring after tonight.

    And Joe Burton is 2nd in assists per game.

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      Cunningham is the best player in the conference. No doubt in my mind. Some have said that Crabbe may be the best but Cunningham is the far superior player.

      As far as Burton goes, he is looking great this season. He’s rebounding the ball, making great passes and scoring when necessary. He isn’t forcing up a whole bunch of shots and he’s taking care of the ball fairly well. If him and Collier continue to play this well the team will be pretty good. If Brandt, Nelson and Starks can knocked down some shots and give the team some more offense, this squad will take off.

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        And praise the lord, Burton has quit doing that stupid under the backboard baseline move for the most part. How many turnovers did that lead to last year?

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      Not to rain on your parade but Agnew led the nation in rushing after the first game.

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        The Beavers have played 3 games and played a solid mid-major squad. Would be like Agnew having a huge game against a BYU in football.

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    The Beavers played nowhere near what they’re capable of tonight and still won by 10. That’s impressive. They struggled from the foul line and couldn’t hit an outside shot to save their life and still won. That is what struck me the most. In past years they lose this game every time. We would be pissed that they let a game like this be taken by Hofstra but this squad is different. They found a way to win. Really love this team. Should be fun watching them develop and get better.

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      Remember: McShane is the only senior on this entire team. I don’t want to get too carried away… but we could be pretty good in the next couple of years.

  • angry angry says:
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    Is Texas any good?

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      Brown and Kabongo are studs. You could say this year will be a down year for them I think though.

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        El Kabongo? I thought that was a Hanna Barbera cartoon?

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        While not spectacular, from watching their game vs Rhode Island, Texas is a solid team. They did have three players (Thompson, Hamilton, Joseph) from last year’s squad drafted in the 1st round. But, they still have very talented ballers in J’Covan Brown and true freshman Myck Kabongo, who’s the #1 rated incoming PG after Marquis Teague. Should be an exciting game, especially the frontcourt matchups.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      They’re good, not great. The Beavers can beat them. They’ll have to make some threes and their free throws to do that but the Beavers are definitely capable of winning.

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      Texas has about 6-7 freshmen and sophomores on their roster this year, so that gives OSU a bit of an advantage. I also read that UT was picked to finish 5th in the Big XII this year, so they should be good, but not great. Beavs looked good last night. I was there and saw a lot of unselfish play from the guys. Burton has impressed me so far this year. He is so much improved. They will have to shoot much better from the free-throw line if they want to continue to get the wins though, but getting the W last night was a shot in the arm for this team from a confidence persepective.

  • angry angry says:
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    Best things about tonight:

    1. Opponent was incrementally better, and they passed the test.
    2. Up by 2 with five minutes left (gut check time), and they hit big shots. Passed that test, too.

    Definitely room for improvement (free throws, turnovers, boxing out, jacking up random 3s), but passing those two tests was huge. That’s how teams grow quickly. It’s all about the confidence gained from overcoming adversity and pressure.

  • angry angry says:
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    I figure Calvin Haynes and Lathan Wallace cost the team about 10-15 possessions per game last year. Dribbling balls off their knees, jacking up 3s, bad passes, etc. Just remove those mistakes and the team is 10x better. Gives me hope that the Beavs football team can make that kind of stride next year after their biggest bonehead (Mike Remmers) graduates.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      Yup. With Wallace, Haynes and Johnson leaving I knew the team would be much better. They hurt everyone last year. With them gone the team is showing what they can do. They’ve barely scratched the surface of how good they can be. They haven’t had a game yet where everyone is playing and clicking. At least tow guys each game had a rough game. Once everyone starts clicking it will be exciting stuff.

      I agree. With these offensive lineman graduated I have hope next year, just for the simple fact that we likely will stop seeing the killer bonehead mistakes. Addition by subtraction is the case with the basketball team and I think will be the case for the football team.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Just back from Gill. Nice win by the Beavs, despite terrible 3-point and foul-shot percentages. This is a game the Beavs likely would have lost last season. Beavs were lucky that Hofstra was equally bad from the foul line tonight — otherwise this game would have gone down to the wire. Also, the Beavs got some generous calls from the refs (who were whistle-happy for most of the night, usually in favor of the home team).

    Curious coming into the game about who would guard Hofstra’s two 6’5″ scorers. Looks like CR’s preference tonight was to use Cunningham and Moreland to guard those two guys whenever possible. And that worked out well (OSU did a very effective job containing Moore, Hofstra’s big scorer). Moreland proved he can stay with a 6’5″ guy, which was impressive.

    Also curious coming into the game about Roberto Nelson. Came away with the same impression as the last two games. RN’s main value to this year’s OSU team is going to be his shooting (as proven by the big 3-pointer that RN hit in crunch time). The rest of RN’s game is mediocre (especially his defense, which clearly needs work).

    Joe Burton made a bunch of slick passes tonight from the high post, and Collier and Cunningham did a nice job catching Burton’s passes and finishing inside. Good thing, because OSU’s outside shooting was weak most of the night. Against a small Hofstra team, OSU could get away with this. Against Texas, obviously , the guards are going to have to do a much better job shooting the ball.

    Anyway, nice win Beavs!

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      I agree. The outside shooting and free throw shooting will need to be much better against Texas. Hopefully Starks, Cunningham and Nelson shoot well. Brandt could hit a three or 2 as well. I like the Beavers chances in East Rutherford. Should be fun.

      Feels great that the basketball team is 3-0.

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      I think part of the problem with Nelson is the offense we run. He can beat his guy off the dribble and has a good mid range game but with our base set on offense Burton is at the foul line and his defender can sag off and help on Berto easier. If we want to take advantage of Berto’s skill set we need to make it a point to get him involved.

      • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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        Agreed. Nelson beat his man off the dribble a couple of times last night, but ended up getting checked by another defender close to the basket (leading to at least one ugly turnover I clearly recall — and there may have been a second such turnover, too). Nelson has rare ability to take a couple of quick dribbles, and then launch himself vertically and shoot a deadly mid-range jumper. CR needs to figure out a way to work that into the OSU offense. It’s not happening at all so far. Maybe that’s partly due to RN’s high ankle sprain. But I suspect the injury is only a small part of the problem….

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          like I said earlier I think an iso set with Berto could be a solid play to add to the arsenal and could be good for crunch time baskets.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    The game against Texas will be on ESPN3 and the Longhorn Network. Of course hardly anyone gets that channel. But, since it’s actually on tv there will likely be a video link to the game. So we will actually get to see the Beavers play. Not sure about the game on Monday, hopefully a video link will pop up.

    • CraigBeav says:
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      Whatcha talking about? Every single game thus far has had a stream.

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        You obviously don’t know what I mean. Specific teams aren’t running a stream like the Beavers have been with these games, that’s why there has been a stream. Also, I am not able to get ESPN3 where I live. So, I have to find another stream.

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Isn’t ESPN3 strictly a web based streaming channel? I don’t think they actually have a TV channel for that available through cable or satellite. All of the games this weekend will be streaming on ESPN3 online.

          http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/source/espn3/

          • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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            Yes, it’s an internet channel only. Due to the internet access that I have I cannot view it on ESPN3. However, there’s a good chance that on UStream or Justintv they’ll have a stream for it though. I’m hopeful they do. I don’t wanna miss watching the game.

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            Yeah, not every company provides ESPN (mind doesn’t). I am hoping I get lucky and can get a stream on my work computer as it has Verizon Mobile, so it may be on the WatchESPN app, but I am not sure.

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          Your ISP has to have an agreement with espn3 for streaming. We who have Centurylink, used-to-be-qwest can’t access espn3 as far as I know or can tell.

          • beavers4life says:
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            I use comcast and you can sign in to your e-mail account to watch the game. I don’t know if I can trust any or all of you to use my account just to watch the next 2 basketball games. I’d be up to doing it, but it all depends if I can trust you.

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            not worth the risk, especially considering it will most likely be on justin.tv

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      All 4 games (semis, championship, and consolation) will be showing on ESPN3.

      http://www.gazellegroup.com/events/legends/schedule.htm

  • Osu605 says:
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    Cezar Guerrero with the number two play on sportscenter top ten for okie state…

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      Who? Never heard of him. His height must not project well to my high major hoops mind.

      Meanwhile, back at the ranch…
      Utah is in a bad place for hoops. I think they would like to trade this year’s hoops team for a winning one and take 28 years of losing football instead.

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        I doubt that. Salt Lake City loves Kyle Whittingham and how consistent the football team has become (they were “Beaveresque is the 70’s and 80’s and BYU’s bitch), but everyone is very pissed off at what has happened to basketball after Majerus left. I think this season will be a new low. I’ve already seen comments about how many winnable games are left on the schedule (not many). Coach K has a big challenge ahead of him.

  • T-beav says:
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    I know it’s awful early but the beavs are tied for first place on CBS RPI rankings.

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    OT – Oregonlive’s article about the great commits for the uck baseball program uses the term – “scoured the country” for talent. I don’t know if CR goes that far but there’s no denying he brings in players from diverse locales. OTOH, I get the impression the football recruiters wait for lists to pop up in the in-basket and then go from there.

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    OT–Just wondering; There was a lot of discussion regarding questions that were going to be asked of Riley from our beat writers. I saw that silverstream put together quite an indepth list of questions. Did anything ever come of this? I thought they were going to be asked earlier in the week.

    • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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      T-beav: Buker wrote me back a couple of days ago and said he was going to ask the questions of Riley on “Wednesday or Thursday” of this week. I’ve been pestering Buker via Twitter to keep his word. Today is Thursday, so I’m going to fire off another tweet-nag to Buker in a minute. We’ll see what happens…..

      • Beavocalypse says:
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        I doubt Buker is going to honor his promise. By nature he is a Riley apologist, not an actual journalist. He is far too busy writing fluff pieces about the bittersweet end to this season and talk about the glory days the seniors while they were here. While I have no problem with the articles it does give him the perfect excuse to ‘forget’ said promise.

        In no way am I bagging on Silvers attempt to ask Riley hard questions, but the sad truth is that IFy Buker does ask anything it will be answered vaguely and in the most clichéd manner possible. How many times have we seen Riley actually give a direct appraisal of a situation and his plan to fix it?

        It has never happened and it is abundantly clear by articles written by all the Oregon media that nobody on the coaching staff cares about what those ‘message board people’ say. Nor do they have to…Riley n Friends are protected by his lifetime contract. So why should we care, exactly?
        Bob Decarolis rode in on Riley’s success and has a fat contract of his own…so we know he can stick his head in the sand as long as he wants, too. If either of them had any class at all they would retire together this year. Both would have good reasons to do so and if they leave now and let Pat Casey take over they could leave Osu as heroes. But they won’t. They are gonna suck all of the life and hope out of the program they spent the better part of a decade building as well as a great deal of donated money.

        The real person who deserves all the wrath and ire of Beaver fans right now is Ed Ray. He deserves every bit of criticism that he will receive when this mess is over.

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          Update as of Friday morning, 18 Nov @ 8:45 am: Buker emailed me. He printed out all the questions and gave the printout to OSU football staff. PB will follow up after the Civil War game, and try to get answers to the questions. All things considered, that seems fair enough (if, in fact, PB follows through….)

  • ean says:
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    OT – anyone know what recruits are visiting this weekend?

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      Caleb Smith, Darius Powe and Malik Gilmore for sure.

      * Looks like Devian Shelton will be here as well. Hopefully Caleb Smith has a lot of salesman skills to bring all three of these guys on board. (assuming Gilmore has really been looking at other programs.)

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    KEJO now streams their Beaver call-in show live from 12-2 PM Pacific each weekday.
    They are currently taking calls. Here is the link:

    http://socialstreamingplayer.crystalmedianetworks.com//radio/kejoam?from=external

  • brownale9000 says:
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    I’ve heard we’re in the mix for one of Arizona State’s commits, CB/WR Richard Smith.

    I’m starting to feel better about Cleveland Wallace reaffirming his pledge this weekend too.

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      I hope all our recruits stay pledged and we can steal one or two. That said I don’t think OSU will have enough strategy with Riley and Co. to get the ‘W’ against Washington. Sarkisian is probably going to hang another ‘L’ on OSU for Riley to make excuses for. 2-10 is most likely.

      UW 27, OSU 17

      Washington @ OSU Preview:
      http://beaverbyte.com

  • beavers4life says:
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    On a completely happy off note: Looks like the OSU baseball team is re-loading for the 2012 and 2013 season! Here’s a great article on OSU’s website about how Pat Casey and Marty Lees are GREAT at recruiting baseball players, including the #1 infielder Dylan LaVelle from Lake Stevens, Washington!

    This is what the Football team needs to do and start taking notes from Marty Lees and Coach Pat Casey!!! So looking forward to Basketball and Baseball this year! Didn’t watch the Basketball game last night, but I know that we won to go 3-0!! Let’s just hope we can handle Texas this Saturday!

    Here’s the link for the Pat Casey article:

    http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/111711aac.html

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      I love the way that the baseball team is able to recruit. But, to say that the Football team could just take their plan and implement it is a bit simplistic. If the Football team had won back to back National Championships and been to a few BCS bowls since (equivalent to Omaha) it would be a bunch easier to recruit as well. Success is much easier to achieve when you are succeeding.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Off topic, but the Beavers picked up a commitment from WR Kendall Hill out of Texas. Sounds like he’s gonna be converted to DB. Beavers only offer I know of. Was some interest from TCU but don’t think they offered a scholarship.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    off (or on?) topic: This from ESPN insider yesterday-re: recruiting class in the pac 12-we were rated the lowest in the conf.

    Craig Robinson has a roster littered with young prospects, but it’s slim on true difference makers, especially in the frontcourt. To keep up with the current recruiting momentum within the conference, the Beavers need a top-flight class. Robinson and his staff did sign three solid recruits, but none appear to be instant-impact types. SF Jarmal Reid (Decatur, Ga./Columbia) could be a bit of a diamond in the rough due to his strength, length and ability to score in a variety of ways. In terms of glue-types you’re not going to find any better than 6-5 SF Langston Morris-Walker (Berkeley, Calif./Berkeley), who is yet another Division I prospect out of the highly-acclaimed Oakland Soldiers program and will affect the game at both ends due to his improving shooting and physical prowess. Finally, Robinson nabbed 6-10 C Maika Ostling (Dayton, Ore./Dayton) out of his own backyard. The burly Ostling is a project who needs to improve his athleticism, but he does play hard and has good hands.

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      This is certainly an interesting perspective. I think it really gets down to your philosophy. Many experts feel that you must always have a star in basketball, a go-to guy that will take the team on their back and win games. Others believe that you can win if you have 7 or 8 solid guys that buy into a system and work as a team. It certainly was nice having Jared on Wednesday take that game over. But, we don’t have another Cunningham in the program right now. Roberto was supposed to be that kind of player, but he doesn’t seem to be able to create as billed.

      I think you can have an extremely good program with “glue” guys. Look at Duke. Most of the Duke teams are full of unselfish team guys. Even the “stars” are unselfish guys that play within the system and do what it takes to win. Those stars rarely have gone into the NBA to be dominate players because the NBA is all about one-on-one basketball.

      I, for one, really like the type of team CR is putting together. When the team starts to succeed on the national level, then those major impact players become a little more approachable. Until then you have to have solid basketball players and coach them up.

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        I agree you don’t need guys that put in 40 a game in college. But you still need NBA level talent to make a deep tourney run.

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          I think NBA level talent is a luxury, not a requirement for a deep run. I think you can make it pretty deep with 4 or 5 guys that are good enough to play overseas pro ball.

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      I like Ostling. In college it is more important your big guys have skills than athleticism… of course both is ideal.

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      Ostling will be good with a couple years of strength training. But he has the tools to be a major factor in Pac 12 play in the years to come.

      Jarmal Reid and LMW are hugely underrated. Reid’s skills make me think he’s going to replace Joe at that high post facilitator spot. He has that vision and passing ability. But he can score in a bunch of ways inside and out.

      LMW is phenomenal, and I don’t think anyone has any idea what his ceiling will be. He can finish in so many ways, and his defense is spectacular. I’ll do a write-up on him, and I know what I’ll say about him will be sacrilege. But he reminds me so much of one player in particular that I just have to say it. See if you can guess who.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        Reid has that swagger this team has been missing since the brief days of Corey Benjamin and JB Bickerstaff. Wish those guys had stuck around a few years because that team could have been special with Dino Tanner running the point and Jason Heide playing center.

        I’m looking forward to seeing Reid and Cunningham on the court together. Let’s hope this NBA lockout keeps going and Cunningham isn’t tempted to leave early for the draft.

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          Don’t you mean Langston Morris-Walker and not Reid?

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    Part of this story talks about the origin of the Oregon “O” hand signal.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/sports/ncaafootball/american-sign-language-program-attracts-oregon-football-players.html

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      Must be a slow day when they compare the Oregon “O” sign with meaning vagina in American sign language. I speak fluent sign language and have never seen vagina signed even close to the Oregon hole gesture.
      Sorry, that’s all I got to contribute to this BBall thread.

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    off topic- im excited for tomorrow, if for no other reason then it will be the last home game of the year . most that read this site have a pretty sound understanding of the reasons (of which there are many) that this season has been so abysmal, but that would make a win over the doucheskies all the sweeter. hopefully montanas kid isnt impressive.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      The Beavers defense will make Nick look more like his dad out there.

    • JD says:
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      I’m feeling optimistic about tomorrow as well. Hopefully UW doesn’t realize that Polk will get 10 yards a carry 🙁

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      I’ve got to be honest – I’m excited for tomorrow too, but now for the football game. I haven’t even really thought much about the UW-OSU game. I’m pumped to see how we do against Texas tomorrow night in basketball. That game will be a major measuring stick for our program this season.

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        *not for the football game.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Yep — thank god Riley doesnt have a twin who became BB head coach. We would have lost a couple games by now.

        Since I want some coaching changes, I hope UW blows us out of Reser. Hey, its just me being optimistic about the potential for change….lol.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Dylan Wynn is hitting 40 yard field goals in practice. Not much he can’t do. Maybe he should take over for Romaine.

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      It would be nice to find a kicker to replace Romaine then keep Romaine on as a KOS and long distance kicker. He has distance to kick from over 50 yards… just no accuracy.

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    Oregon State’s Mike Remmers was among the players announced as nominees for The Burlsworth Trophy presented by the Springdale (Ark.) Rotary Club recently. The Trophy is given to the most outstanding football player in America who began his career as a walk-on.

    http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111811aaa.html

  • angry angry says:
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    Iowa St driving on Ok. St
    Uh oh.

    • angry angry says:
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      Haha. That didn’t last long. This game reminds me of Beavs/Ducks. Settling for FGs, then missing them…

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Hoops– Miss St over Arizona 67-57

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    oSu DB played that just like Banker teaches. I though I was watching the Beavs and USC for a minute

    • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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      Haha, I just explained to my girlfriend how that was a penalty, then said that exact Beavers/Trojans quote.

  • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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    Okay, Benny isn’t awesome, but that huge bobbled headed plastic cowboy guy fingerbanging the camera is worse than him.

  • angry angry says:
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    So if Ok State loses tonight Oregon is in the title game, right?

    1. Bama or LSU will be #1.
    2. Oklahoma won’t be able to jump based on schedule if Ok State loses.

    Tell me I’m missing something…

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      From what I’ve read Bama would hold off Oregon and play for the title. Voters would prefer a LSU-Bama rematch over a LSU-Oregon rematch.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      Oregon in order to get into the title game needs Arkansas to beat LSU. Bama isn’t losing to Auburn. If Bama and LSU win out and Ok St loses tonight, then Bama and LSU play. If OK St wins tonight and loses to OU, and Bama and LSU win out then LSU and OU play for the title. Voters do not want a LSU-UO rematch at all.

      • angry angry says:
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        I hope you’re right, BB21. Iowa State is going to win.

        • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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          I feel bad for Ok St fans. Every single year they fall just short. They either miss out on a Big 12 title or a chance at a national title. Happens every year.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      Man I hate Oregon so much. I am the biggest USC fan in the country tomorrow.

      • Gman says:
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        I was just like you, but I don’t hate the Ducks anymore… I wish them success outside of the civil war or interfering with Oregon States success.

        • Gman says:
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          Ok mark my comment down all you want, but you obviously have no better reason to absolutely hate them besides the fact they are rivals?

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            Lol sorry man but it wasn’t me who marked your comment down. And yes, that is exactly the reason I don’t want them to succeed… because they are our rivals. The more success they have while we are tanking as a program only widens the gap between our two programs further. We compete with them for the same in-state recruits, for the same fair weather Oregonian fans (and the money they spend on tickets, memorabilia, etc.), and for the same local media coverage. Not to mention I couldn’t stand listening to their arrogance when they had nothing to be arrogant about in the first place and I sure as hell can’t stand listening to it now that they’ve won a few Pac 10 titles. You can obviously root for whoever you want but I think it’s completely reasonable for a fan of any school to not want their arch rival to succeed.

          • steveEbeaver says:
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            If they indeed did cheat and therefor cheated us out of two Rose Bowls, well that’s worth a lifetime of hating.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Funny thing, I thought the oSu defense played well enough to win but the offense stunk it up.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      Oklahoma State’s defense was actually bad, like it always is. Gave up 518 yards in regulation. Iowa St came in averaging less than 400 yds/gm. Offense always has to be perfect. When they have an off night this is what happens.

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        Oh, I agree that they gave up a lot of yds but they did have a pick 6 and put the offense in position a couple of times with TOs but it would all be a moot point if their kicker wouldn’t have Romained it.

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    We are fucked as Beaver fans, we need USC to win tomorrow night. I want a duck loss more than a
    Beav win.

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      And there it is. Classic.

      I guess I can understand it, but I just don’t get it. I hate the Huskies with every fiber of my being, but I can’t imagine any situation where I would want them to lose more than I would want the Ducks to win. Ever! My main focus is always on my team first and foremost. Not someone else. Different fan base mentalities I suppose.

      PS. I honestly think you win this weekend. AND as a reminder, you also fight UW for NW recruits. Beating them means something. Keep focused Beavs and beat down the dawgs. A loss this weekend and the Huskies might just up ending their season with 6 losses in 7 games. Boom.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Not different fan base mentalities… different team mentalities. Our coaches gave up before the season began, and it took OSU fans half the season to figure it out.

        But I understand your reasoning. I personally would like to see Nikegon go to the BCS title game… since there is no such thing as a national championship game… and because I don’t want them to soil the Rose Bowl… and because they would be pounded into oblivion by LSU… worse than the beat down they took in the opener.

        And don’t try to whine about DAT fumbling in his first game or Nikegon beating themselves or the score being closer than it really was because the Ducks scored cheap points in garbage time. They got stomped up and down the field in that game. And if it takes the #1 team in the nation kicking the Ducks up and down the field for me to get my kicks, then so be it.

        I can’t wait for the post-BCS whine:
        “QWHAAAAAAACK! LSU was playing a de facto home game! Woulda, coulda, shoulda! QWHAAAAAAACK!”

        Besides, it means more money for the Pac 12.

  • mckalk says:
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    Curse you Angry……you may end up correct as usual and those damn Quacks will end up in the “natty” again. I never in my life thought I would root for USC, but that is going to happen tomorrow, because the Beavs have 0 percent chance. I kind of hope Arkansas beats LSU and throws everything into chaos.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      What’s funny is, Oregon State being such a bad team it hurts Oregon. If the Beavers were decent and ranked, an Oregon victory over them would likely help Oregon leapfrog Bama. Instead, just for Oregon playing a bad OSU team it hurts them in the computers.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Awesome troll food:

        “Ha! Ha! We suck so bad that we bring your computer rankings down… period!”

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    Maybe, just maybe, we come out a la ISU and upset the quacks next weekend. What a dream that would be! All I want for XMAS is a civil war win.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Where the hell’s our pre-game thread?

    C’mon man! 😀

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    C’mon Man…

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    C’mon man pleeeeeeeeease!

  • CraigBeav says:
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    Cummon maaaan!

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    HI BN… the excitement is too much to take! I can barely stand it! Discounted popcorn and wait there’s more… Beaver gear discounted 25%!!! Who wouldn’t want a token of this memorable year? I really feel APPRECIATED!

    Packing up the car and heading down early to avoid the traffic. JB

    PS: Joe Montana will be at the game today. If you see him, say “hello” and ask for an autograph. He is very friendly and approachable.

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