02.Nov.2015 Mastering Skills

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There is a common thought that it takes 10,000 hours to master a skill. I suggest reading that article, because while it is “zen” and that might be off-putting, the ideas are interesting in how they relate to the rebuild at OSU.

I’d like to give a personal example, too.

When I was 15 I began playing guitar. I had some success putting out recordings and getting on college radio, gigging, etc. I was having some success and without a whole lot of effort, so I thought I was good. A couple decades later, you’d think I would be a “master” at the instrument (I have good coordination and all the traits required to be good), but I wasn’t. I had peaked. I had to be honest with myself and admit I was just so-so. The question then becomes why? Well, after examining it slowly and thoroughly and (most importantly) honestly, it’s because of my haphazard practice habits. Sometimes I would go months at a time without practicing thinking “I’m pretty good already without the practice”. Lately I have been upset about how sloppy my playing has become, so I’ve revisited books and researched more into technique, and realized I was doing some basics wrong all along and/or had gotten into bad habits. I’ve spent about 2 weeks fixing those fundamentals, and sure enough, the playing has cleaned up considerably. But, this all made me think about the players and rebuilding at OSU. In a sense, they are also breaking old, bad habits and relearning new. And I can tell you, it does take time — doing things slowly and correctly and repetition. Practice makes permanent, not perfect, so if you’re practicing wrong you will perform wrong. It is simple muscle memory. And it is hard to undo.

What will limit OSU’s rebuild is the players’ individual max ceilings. Not all are equal. But what GA and staff are trying to do (at least my guess, based on “coaching” myself on guitar and teaching others the instrument) is max out the talent. If you can get an entire team to that point, then as a coach, you have done everything you can. Considering there are 85 schollies and 70 players travel to each game, you can see why it would be hard to get all those players’ talents maxed out at the same time, and then to have them all on the same page with regard to scheme, etc. It’s hard.

From the article above:

There’s only one way to become good at something:

1. First, you must learn it by reading or listening to others who know how to do it, but most especially by doing.
2. Then do some more. At this point, you’ll start to understand it, but you’ll suck. This stage could take months.
3. Do some more. After a couple of years, you’ll get good at it.
4. Do some more. If you learn from mistakes, and aren’t afraid to make mistakes in the first place, you’ll go from good to great.

It takes anywhere from 6-10 years to get great at something, depending on how often and how much you do it. Some estimate that it takes 10,000 hours to master something, but I think it varies from person to person and depends on the skill and other factors.

Let’s say it doesn’t take 10,000 hrs, but instead it takes the low end of 6 years. Still, the most a player will be in the program is 5 years. This is one explanation as to why college players are amateurs and most don’t turn pro.

Speaking of which, being an amateur, by definition, means you mess up. We fans expect these guys to make every catch, every throw, etc. But, they are amateurs, so that’s an unreasonable expectation. Going back to the guitar analogy, say you go to your local coffee shop on “open mic night” and there’s a guitarist up there flubbing notes. Do you care? Probably not. “Oh, makes sense he’s an amateur playing at a coffee shop” would be a reasonable thought. Now say you go see The Rolling Stones, and Keith Richards is flubbing notes. Do you care? Yes. He’s a pro. You paid to see him, you demand excellence. Now, it becomes grey area because some fans pay to see the Beavs by going to the events, and others buy cable packages to watch events, etc. At that point, people are paying to watch, so are the student athletes amateurs? Well yes, they are, but it just highlights the screwed up nature of college sports. It also skews fan expectations — once they pay, they expect more from the athlete.

Now, am I saying we forgive all the errors because these players are learning and are amateurs? Yes and no. What I am saying is it the fact is that it takes a while to master anything, so if these guys have only been running GAs style for 11 months, that is not enough time for most of them, and it’s why we see most of them struggling and making painfully slow progress. Maybe by the time they are seniors they are masters.

Someone will surely bring up Collins and say this is proof he can learn how to throw. Again, yes and no. If he puts in many hours/years, maybe he can overcome the physical. QB requires more than just the physical though (i.e. good decisions, leadership, etc). To learn all of that this late in the game and then master it is unrealistic. That would be like, continuing the guitar analogy, someone trying to master the instrument at age 40. It just won’t happen, and it’s why most people who are masters of their craft start at extremely young ages. Collins has 10 years of bad habits to undo before he can even begin mastering good habits. So, he will remain, imo, a sloppy player, work in progress, etc. I think this is where high 3 star talent and 4-5 star talent really has the advantage. They have much less work to put in to become masters.

Finally, a challenge: try to master a trade, craft, sport, etc. Any one you choose. Note how difficult it is. Hell, try to master blogging and outdo AB. 😉

That saying “Jack of all trades, master of none” makes a lot of sense when you think about it. If you’re spreading yourself thin over various subjects, it becomes impossible to log the requisite hours to master one. Andersen is demanding a lot from these student athletes in the classroom, social lives, and football. Then there is the time they spend on individual interests and hobbies. They are spread thin.

This isn’t an excuse for the poor play so far, but rather an understanding of it as I try to cleanup some of my own issues in my chosen trades and hobbies.

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  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    Great post. “Outliers” is one of the most engaging books I’ve read in a while. Hits all over this point.

    • angry angry says:
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      I just read the summary. It sounds good. Maybe I will ask for that as a Christmas gift.

      • Corey says:
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        Not to get all high and mighty with the psychology background, but the book is a little oversimplified and not completely based in scientific fact. It’s still a good introduction to concepts and the overarching theme is good; just needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

        • angry angry says:
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          I found an audiobook of it. I don’t like how they diminish the individual’s accomplishments. There’s a lot of “they didn’t really do great things they just lucked into their scenario and then put in 10,000 hours” …well yeah, but…

          • Jack says:
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            Gladwell, while a great writer of prose, has decreasingly relied on gathering and citing studies in order to devise a hypothesis and conclude where the information took him. He instead forms his conclusion before writing with a method he simply finds to be profitable. His latest book would be the result of the practice for profit–the mindless practice without form or passion. While circumstance and mindless practice can still bring one financial gains, that does not equal success.

            http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/10000-hour-rule-not-real-180952410/?no-ist

          • angry angry says:
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            Yeah I find that he’s made a conclusion and then cherry picked data to fit the conclusion.
            He also seems to hate these brilliant people and diminish their achievements by “they were in the right place at the right time” type of mentality. Well yeah, they were, along with millions of others who did nothing by being there.

          • Jack says:
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            It’s not an incorrect observation that circumstance (or luck) creates greatness. But he does fail to note that circumstance is often also created by the talent itself.

          • angry angry says:
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            I’d say this is more accurate:

            1. People are born with various genotypes/skills.
            2. Each individual has a cap. All different. Sorry people who think everyone is and must be equal!
            3. Whatever skill they decide to pursue, practice makes permanent. Proper practice results in their unique skill set and max cap being met.

            Luck and circumstance are iffy. Gladwell assumes an alternate scenario where these people would be unsuccessful or have lesser notoriety. For example, says something like Bill Joy might have been a biologist instead of world renowned computer scientist. Well yeah, maybe, but maybe he’d be a world renowned biologist who cured cancer or some shit, which you can argue is more important than the internet.

            Smart people who work hard are most likely going to succeed at something. It might be different based on circumstance, but the odds are they will succeed (though this depends on someone’s definition of success…in the sense of the book it’s money and respect/being renowned).

          • Jack says:
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            Circumstance and luck are catch-alls which would include genetic talent, prodigious or otherwise. But they would also include those made by the person or people themselves. It’s not like the Beatles just happened to be in Germany. They kind of went to Germany to be there. Joy chose to go to Berkeley for a reason. Gates and Allen growing up together kind of made that association already exist, as did Jobs and Wozniak. But it’s not like they became friends because they were all polar opposites. Like minds congregate and inspire each other. Circumstance isn’t just happenstance.

          • Ackrite says:
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            I think the point of the book is that you need to be aware of these circumstances and use them to help make decision. Example: As a parent both of my children have Q4 birthdays because we planned/wanted them to be older in School and the advantages that come from that. I have a July birthday and was one of the youngest in my class and I was behind until about 6th grade. Now I’ve worked hard to over come those things and ended up being successful because my individual cap and the various genotypes/skills you mention, but would have it been easier if my parent had decided to hold me back a year? I think so.

            I’m arguing with my wife now about which Basketball team my son should plan on, his friends are playing on the 7-8 team, but because of my son’s Q4 birthday qualifies for the 5-6 team. He is 4’7 and would tower over most 5-6 year olds and therefore more likely to get more playing time and coaches attention (Canadian Hockey Team example) which would possible lead to him enjoying it more and reaching his Individual Cap if he practices and applies himself.

          • Jack says:
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            That’s sort of what the book is about. It doesn’t go slapstick like this.
            http://www.cracked.com/article_16989_6-inspiring-rags-to-riches-stories-that-are-bullshit.html

            But it does point out certain advantages nature gets when nurture is on its side. It presents itself as a study, but is only a collection of anectdotes intertwined with introspection. There is a tone of melancholy in the book. But I think that’s a tinge of guilt for what he himself has accomplished while equally talented friends have fallen flat. So it comes out almost as disrespectful to those who do succeed.

            Then there’s the “scientific” side of the argument. Daniel Coyle is convinced myelin is the wonder answer.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/sports/playmagazine/04play-talent.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

            But again, he draws correlations from coincidence and circumstance. Yes, the tennis academy has a bunch of talent come through it. But they aren’t born there. Last I checked, Russia was a pretty big place. Moscow itself is just mammoth. Some of those parents are probably driving several miles over several hours to get their kids to the place. That does not scream “cluster” to me. That just tells me talent knows where to gather to hone itself. If I’m the control, and the local golf pro is the study, there would be a cluster around the golf pro when charting people who take golf lessons.

            Yes, it’s all these things. But that’s kind of the point. It seems like a bunch of self-help gurus are out there telling everyone what seems to be pretty comon sense stuff. The outliers are those who try to tell us it’s not the whole, but a couple parts instead. And they seem to gain traction because people want to believe they too could run the 100m in the Olympics… if only they try hard enough.

            On the other end of it, there are those who believe people without boots just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Sorry, but there’s a mean for a reason. If everyone were a genius, nobody would be a genius.

            As for hoops, at that young age I would say fun is all that needs to be had. Honing skills is what is done playing in the driveway. If you want him to be challenged, give him the goal of one day beating you. I’m going to guess he’s not going to be 6’9″. If that’s the case, learning to play against bigger, stronger players while also maturing physically will lead to a comfort zone within the bigger picture.

          • angry angry says:
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            I’m continuing with the book just to see how twisted the author can get. Some of the stories are interesting, but there’s a ton of Texas sharpshooter fallacy/clustering illusion. In fact, the entire book is that.

            He also says several times that Outliers “always” have help. Again, this discredits the individual, and I find it dubious that claim is true or he researched every outlier enough to know their story and make that claim. He’s being suggestive with that stuff. It gives the book an agenda feel.

            I like it as a collection of anecdotes but with the author would get out of the way of those.

          • Jack says:
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            Hadn’t heard the sharpshooter term in a while. That’s a giggle just thinking of the origin of that term. But yes, confirmation bias would be correct if there were even enough data in the first place.

          • Jack says:
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            I should say I giggle at that because that’s something I used to do to my kids then call it “magic” or some such. And they quickly learned to call me on it.

            I feel like the kid in this instance. I don’t have the time to educate myself (or the experience/education already) to be a master at these things, so I count on the presenter to make the study thorough and thoughtful. And it just doesn’t seem that way on a gut level.

          • Jack says:
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            And I found this/these articles which I think speak to what you say in music. But I can also see it as an engaging metaphor for anything in life.

            http://www.fangfangshi.com/how_to_practice

          • angry angry says:
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            That was good. I agree with him. Maybe I’ll start proofreading my blog posts…

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            Thanks for posting that Jack. Now I’m trying to figure out if I found it by lucky circumstance or because I exercised wisdom in choosing to read angry’s blog!

            Now, back to practicing Sweet Baby James, one phrase at a time. Lovin’ my craigslist find, Taylor GS Mini.

  • Bill says:
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    Seems like kids today are better coming into college in all sports. Less kids needing a redshirt year. The trend seems to be going toward specialization. Put kids into one sport early on and not playing other sports. Lots of sports are now year round activities. More time spent in the off season training vs working or doing nothing. Lots more hours put into their sports early on.

    • Beav in TX says:
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      The sad part is that not specializing probably raises a kid’s ceiling because it gives him exposure and practice with the peripheral movements and skills that aren’t directly applicable to football, but can still benefit football skills.

      The vast majority of high-level recruits play multiple sports. Of course, they’re all good athletes, but there’s something to be said for training your body in a variety of ways, rather than limiting yourself.

      Hence linemen practicing martial arts, yoga, etc.

      • Bill says:
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        The pressure on kids to perform early on has increased significantly. Fans are contributing to the problem with all the fanfare around recruiting. If you don’t play year round, the recruiting services won’t see you if you didn’t attend camps or combines because you were playing other sports.

        And because specialization and travel teams have become so popular, it adds to the costs a parent has to cover and eliminates other sports as options. And coaches don’t want kids to risk injury so they stop them from playing other sports.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Jack must be putting in the hours for most faux misogynistic anti-PC remarks only 9,999 hours to go buddy!

    Great post, angry, and your 10000 hours have been well worth it to us regular readers over the years, I can’t even blog two times in one week so I commend all that you’ve done here.

    I think that by the time GA gets done with these boys in 4 years we will see a very exciting brand of ball.

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    This is a pretty awesome/inspirational video touching on the subject. Apologize in advance for putting it first thing in the thread (feel free to delete if you don’t like). I’m trying to link and not embed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QObN4e0F9D4

    If it work as a link, it’s about Steph Curry to master shooting and the work he put in to create good habits.

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    I just ran the numbers and double checked them. As of today as of this writing Riley has spent 9,755 hours coaching college football. That means that at the rate of ten hours per day he will master his profession in 24.5 days or approximately 6:00 on November 26 the day before they play Iowa. Look for a big turnaround on the 27th.

    That also means that if he had stayed in Corvallis a win against the Ducks on the 27th would be a lock this year and 2016 would have been great!

    PS: Jerry KIll had to resign at Minnesota before his name was changed to Jerry Dead.

  • Jim says:
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    Great post! Love the line: “Practice makes permanent, not perfect”.

    Also, regarding the amateur athletes points, it is why I really wish people posting here would refrain from name-calling and harsh criticism of them (e.g. Collins and Pankey). Professional coaches being paid 5-7 figures to coach these amateur athletes and asking them to put their health and well-being on the line- completely fair game.

    • angry angry says:
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      Professional coaches being paid 5-7 figures to coach these amateur athletes and asking them to put their health and well-being on the line- completely fair game.

      I think that’s where frustration should be aimed. It’s just hard sometimes.
      Take Collins, who I find unlikable — it is so easy to rip on him because bad performance + bad attitude/personality.

      I’m not sure where to draw the line. The criticism can probably be more constructive, but what good is that if the athlete doesn’t read the blog? Also, most of us are fans of pro teams, so it’s hard to change gears.

      In general we do a pretty good job here of staying on the coaches, but sometimes we get leaky and harp on players. #28 under Riley, Pankey, Collins…sometimes a player stands out so much it’s nearly impossible not to keep commenting on it.

      • Jim says:
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        I agree, and I’m guilty of it myself sometimes. My opinion is even just stating a flat opinion like “I don’t think Collins has the arm to be a starting Power 5 quarterback” seems fine to me. It’s just reality, or at least a person’s un-malicious viewpoint of a player.

        Those are just my $0.02, anyways.

      • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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        “Take Collins, who I find unlikable — it is so easy to rip on him because bad performance + bad attitude/personality. ”

        An attitude/personality isn’t a skill you practice though so I think it is totally fair to point out his sub-par behavior. Compared to his peers he shows a lack of decency, ego issues, lack of sportsmanship, positive attitude, etc. I would be way more quick to judge him on that than his skills as an athlete.

    • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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      Anyone who insults these kids personally is a complete douche. There are a lot of douches on this site… 😉

  • Angry@angry says:
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    I think the local golfer guy is proving the theory wrong. He has no chance at the tour.

    • Numbers says:
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      He’s mastering the hell out of his bad habits though!

  • mckalk says:
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    Perspective is interesting also regarding “mastery”. I played two years of JV basketball in high school and was never quite good enough to make the varisty, so I didn’t even try out my senior year. I was shooting baskets the other day at one of my kids football practices and another dad nicely complemented me on my shooting. In talking to him, I made an offhanded remark about only making JV….he surprised me by saying what a great accomplishment that was considering all of the kids that don’t make it that far in team sports. It gave me pause considering I always processed it as a negative. We can’t all become masters, but we all accomplish things through our sincere efforts.

    • angry angry says:
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      Are you sure you weren’t good enough and it wasn’t politics? At my school, if you played football, you automatically made baseball varsity, for example. This was well known…and we’d see it in action. A lot of politics in HS sports because the coach many times knows a players dad, etc, too, but just the good ol’ boy club attitude as well. Another issue we had at my school: if you lived in the actual town, you made varsity; if you lived in the outskirts or country the odds were low. A good friend of mine who lived outside of town was passed for varsity by a townie. My friend was a much much better catcher and had great leadership as well.

      • Angry@angry says:
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        Always found this perspective very interesting. You hear how desperate coaches are to make a name for themselves, why wouldn’t they play the best player? I lettered twice in football and twice in baseball. My family isn’t from the area, Dad lived 30 minutes away. Family wasn’t a donor to programs. And I was a walk-on prospect. (At best)

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          It depends on the town and culture. Our coaches were also full time teachers. They weren’t interested in making a name for themselves.

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        I ran cross country instead of play football, so maybe some politics. Also, the varsity coaches son was my age and he was awful, I used to beat him up in practice on the freshmen and JV teams. He took up a 12th man slot on varsity when I was a senior. I was also asked to be editor of the school newspaper, so I thought that was more practical they wasting my time as a scrub on the basetball team.

  • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Cal game on Nov 14 announced as 7:30pm kickoff on pac-12 network

    • mckalk says:
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      You get negged for announcing the game time? Who is this little fucker who thinks it’s funny to neg everyone?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    New commit is known but i’ll let nemec have his moment

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      What a gentleman

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Oh come on! Lets have another Beavblazer moment….

      Are you impressed/happy with the quality of the commit?

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        It’s a guy I’ve been really high on for the past few months, and he’s an under the radar guy as far as overall offer list. If you’ve been following my posts over the past few months, it should be obvious who it is.
        I think Nemec even predicted he would be a Beav about a month ago

        • Beav in TX says:
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          Kaelin Hemphill?

          • angry angry says:
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            On film he plays like a psycho. Which is a good thing. Stiff hips, though. Get that man on a agility program.

          • Beav in TX says:
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            We’re loading up on defensive recruits that look way better than what we typically got in the bad ol’ days.

            Now we just need to fix the OL personnel mess and we’ll be in good shape. I’m going to wait and see film of Moran’s senior year before I make any judgments about him.

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          @blazer: I’m hoping you’re referring to the lineman from way down South.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      What are the chances of picking up Chase Lucas?

  • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    GA presser going on now. Says Mitchell will start on Saturday, doesn’t expect Collins to practice this week

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      #ohwell

    • ObjCritic says:
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      More reps for MMcM…wonder if they’ll get Vanderveen some reps?

      • whatever says:
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        I’d think he would have to be getting at least some reps. We’re two snaps away from having to use the, theoretically, #4 QB. Or nothing but wildcat

        Hard to say if Collins is injured, or day to day with hurt feelings.

        • blackbug says:
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          VanderVeen missed the last game with injury. I don’t know if he ready to take any reps.

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    MM is getting more reps?

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    Harry is a sun devil

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Harry said in an interview a couple weeks ago that he wanted to play college ball with his friend Byron Murphy. If you look at Chase Lucas’s most recent tweet, it’s a picture or Harry, Murphy and Lucas at Harry’s announcement. I’m afraid ASU will land all 3 and we’ll be out on Lucas.

      • angry angry says:
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        That would suck, but he was in OSU gear a few weeks ago. I think he just gets into whatever is going on in the moment. That picture doesn’t look good, tho.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Expecting we’ll see an offer go out to a JUCO 4* DE, Josh Allen, sometime soon.

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2890178/josh-jj-allen

    https://sports.yahoo.com/papreps/football/recruiting/player-Josh-Allen-170661

    • ObjCritic says:
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      What’s your opinion of the JUCO Safety commit Michael Johnson? Seems a little light for safety if the 185 lb body weight is accurate(?).

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        He’s like the forgotten commit. I really don’t know anything about him other than he was originally a Louisville commit, and was a 4* guy out of highschool(according to ESPN) Has some pretty good offers like LSU, Nebraska so I’d say he will likely be a higher caliber player than we’re accustomed to at safety. Hopefully his grades are ok

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Interview with Portland radio from this morning. Part of it actually fits a little with the theme of this forum post.

    https://soundcloud.com/ripcitymornings/oregon-state-head-coach-gary-anderson-interview

  • ObjCritic says:
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    No real serious, new information here, but Eggers opines that OSU coaching staff is developing Beavs in a positive direction:

    http://www.pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/279532-155103-never-mind-scoreboard-key-osu-development-on-display

    • Bill says:
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      It’s been a rollercoaster year for casual OSU fans. Get a coach with a great reputation. Expectations became high. I think a lot of fans were expecting to see a quick turnaround. Programs like Houston, Florida, Michigan bounced back pretty well after firing their coaches this year. Then after the first few conference games, realized it’s a major rebuilding year. Now everyone is just looking for growth.

      Hardcore fans knew it was going to be a tough year. but even there, I think the progress has been slower than expected.

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        Seems like an inverse relationship to feelings on Riley & co. If you thought Riley was at least ok, then you are disappointed. If you saw straight through Riley, then you likely saw and predicted the current situation.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Don’t know much about this guy Aaron Borg, but saw a tweet from his sister making it sounds like he’s leaving Utah for Oregon State. Was a walkon with Utah at LB. Must be a Sitake/Tuiaki guy

    https://twitter.com/Kyla_Borg_16/status/661324519328477184

  • thebeaverman says:
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    Who’s the new commit from Salt Lake City?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    well, curve ball. new commit from 801 sounds like it’s Sione Finau, who I mentioned earlier today will be a mission guy

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      i don’t want to tweet it till the guy does it himself, but nothing so far. but it’s been confirmed. Also, his brother is Amone Finau, a former 3* RB Utah commit who is coming off his mission this year.

      http://247sports.com/Player/Amone-Finau-26246

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      This got downvoted? Probably from the guy on twitter accusing beavrecruiting of stealing info from angie.
      Check the timestamps. I dont have Blitz, but I know Finou was confirmed as a commit at 4:03 on my end. If they were before that, then I could see how you might think it was from the other site, but I can assure you it wasnt and angry can back me up on that.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        From the Salt Lake Tribune…………

        Finau, who also placed first in the 110-meter hurdles this past May with a time of 15.98, is the brother of Utah’s ?Class of 2014 recruit, Amone Finau, who is currently serving an LDS Church mission. In an interview with The Tribune earlier this season, Sione Finau said he would commit immediately if Utah offered. He tweeted a photo of his attendance to the Utah-Oregon State game on Saturday.

        “We haven’t really talked a whole lot about that,” Rickards said. “He came up to me [Monday] and said, ‘Hey, coach, I’m going to commit to Oregon State.’ I don’t blame him for taking the offer. I think they’re a program that is going to be on the rise, especially with recruiting that they’re doing. I think they’re going to have a great program in the future.”

        So, his brother is a Utah commit and currently on LDS mission, what happens if he DOES get that Utah offer between now and February????

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        shit, forgot to link article

        http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/prepsports/3130291-155/prep-football-kearns-three-star-athlete-sione

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Beavblazer, I wouldn’t fret to much. That Douchebag follows and re-tweets the Iron Shiek and follows Mike Riley. How smart can he be?

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          Nice

          I bet the Iron Shiek has some great stories to share. I didnt realize he was still alive. One of the few 80’s wwf guys to survive this long

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          Hey Jabroni, I follow the Sheik and will put you in Camel Clutch, make you humble.

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    Pressure is mounting at Nebraska

    http://forum.huskermax.com/vbbs/showthread.php?79677-Letter-from-Eichorst-to-fans

  • Numbers says:
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    Practice makes Permanent. Good post Angry, that’s what I coach in track. I reteach basics on up and end up with big jumps in speed ability.

  • Bill says:
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    A real life 10,000 hour plan.

    http://thedanplan.com/

    Guy is trying to see if he can make the pro tour by practicing golf. Never played before his experiment.

    http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2015/06/06/dan-mclaughlin-plan-malcolm-gladwell

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Sorry, Angry, but that essay is bullshit. There is nothing universal about individual natural expertise/ability, or ability to learn something, slow or fast.

    People can be hugely different in aptitude for a skill, and the speed at which they pick it up.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    OT: for this thread. Just watched the DVR of the Utah game.
    Overall a very good effort.
    Mitchell played pretty well given his inexperience. He looks like he can be a decent QB.
    Baldwin called a pretty good game. The exceptions were the two consecutive wildcat runs at the goal line. Not going to work against that front seven.
    D played well and hung in the whole game.
    Special teams are no longer a disaster. The team is getting better. There is hope.

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    Or forgetting to play Nall!

  • angry angry says:
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    Completely OT:

    Does anyone find it weird a girl who suddenly hates social media and the attention she gets on social media makes a melodramatic exit that will create more of the exact attention she claims is causing her to hate social media?

    http://time.com/4096988/teen-instagram-star-essena-oneill-quitting-social-media/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook

    I agree with her that social media is not real life (duh) and everyone should get off of it and life a real life, but I find it bizarre she exits in such a cognitive dissonant (i.e. manner considering she claims to be enlightened.

    Seems that this type of exit means she wants more attention than ever. If you hate social media, delete your account and leave. No need to make a scene about it.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      it’s what I did. Got sick of all the self absorbed people. Delete

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        She’s one of the self absorbed, only she’s acting like a victim, and loving the attention from both. It’s a massive circle jerk to stroke her own ego.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          agreed. my life, my decision, my choice of how I spend my free time. I don’t need to inform others of what I am or aren’t doing. No one probably gave a shit anyway. The people that truly know and care about my sons and I know how to contact me. I just got so tired of the self centered. No one gives a shit but you how starbucks fucked up your crappuccino and “ruined your morning”. There’s people out there that actually had awful shit happen to them that particular day. Or maybe woke up under a bridge that morning because they don’t have a home to go to. Get over yourself and be thankful for what you have. There’s people out there that will piss and moan over the slightest annoyance.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            Yeah, I see my wifes Facebook, fucking ridiculous some of the shit she shows me, then tells me I need an account. Um….no thanks, she says “but you can reconnect with old friends”, my friends have my phone number, if they need something, they call or text. I’ve never had a facebook, myspace or any social media account, I’m 37, I don’t need that shit.

      • angry angry says:
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        It makes me realize how pathetic a lot of my friends are. Other than that, it’s not useful. Twitter is useful. It allows AB to essentially run a recruiting site and other perks. FB is completely useless.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        You can’t recruit for a spread offense, while running a pro style. What do you tell recruits? “Well next year when you show up we’re going to run a completely different offense”. By running what your running you have something tangible to show them, and were they will fit into the program. I don’t know shit about basketball x’s and o’s, so someone else will have to explain that.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    She hot….but, attention whores gonna whore for attention.

  • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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    Been keeping on eye on the recruiting. Any sign of that other recruit announcing today @Beavblazer? The one that anemec alluded to.

  • Mb says:
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    The record, so far, is very much what I expected. There will be additional trial and error, plus some success along the way. Recruiting is encouraging. Performance and record are likely to improve in time. The disappointment? Tinkle played the cards he was dealt while GA has tried to play cards that he does not have. He has a recipe but lacks the ingredients where as Tinkle mixes the ingredients to come up with a recipe.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      You can’t recruit for a spread offense, while running a pro style. What do you tell recruits? “Well next year when you show up we’re going to run a completely different offense”. By running what your running you have something tangible to show them, and were they will fit into the program. I don’t know shit about basketball x’s and o’s, so someone else will have to explain that.

      • Mb says:
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        You cannot possibly win if you use Nall as your blocking back for Boldin in a spread offense scheme. Period.

        • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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          Bolden must be the nicest guy on the team

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          Very true, but at this point I think the coaching staff is shuffling things to find an edge. I agree running anyone other than Nall is dumb, and the excuse they gave not to run Nall is lame at best. Who knows, maybe Bolden is a world class practice player, maybe he looks like the second coming of jerry rice, I don’t know.

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            He’s not gamer, no way to spin that for the better. Time to find a new “fast” option IMO

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            Note Lucas got one deep target against Utah. It looked like a bad pass in the end, but I think the route wasn’t executed well to go along with the poor pass placement. So I think they’re working on it.

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        All they did differently in hoops is slow it down, which is the only strategy you can employ when you have 7 scholarship caliber players.

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          The returning talent was also vastly understated. The depth was always going to be an issue. Tinks talked about that when extolling the depth we now have. The talent not only has the confidence that they won’t have to carry an inordinate load. They now get to push and be pushed by equal talent in practice.

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      I like the metaphor there. I notice the Panthers won last night with OSU’s own Remmers. Will he ever tell us why he was the king of false starts when in college? and now – not so much or at all.

      Along the line of playing the cards you’ve got – I heard that one of the reasons Ron Rivera is having considerable success this season is precisely because he doesn’t try to force his players into a system but creates a system for the players he has.

      Continuing with the Panthers, does anyone think Derek Anderson tutoring Cam Newton (assuming he did and does) has had any part in Newton’s success?

      • BeavLaxer says:
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        I seriously doubt Cam took or takes any advice from DA. They’re such different qbs and Newton has always had such confidence and success that I don’t think he was mining DA for help.

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    Re: Collins, Andersen says “I need to talk with the docs again and talk with Seth and figure out exactly what the scenario is”. If that’s your #1 QB wouldn’t you think the head coach would constantly be up to date on his condition and status? This kind of stuff just adds fuel to the speculation of something other than an injury.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      It might be deflection to save face for collins. Or he’s been in evaluated daily and GA hasn’t got an update when the interview was held. Who knows, but I think we have just as good or better chance of winning a game without him.

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        a few weeks back on The Drive Andersen told the team he’ll always “have their back.” What that is proving to mean, I think, is that he won’t publicly criticize players personally or generically. the former always did the latter. On the other hand, “having their back” doesn’t mean he’s gonna put up with nonsense, and when he sees it, he quietly shunts them to the bench.

    • whatever says:
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      This kind of stuff just adds fuel to the speculation of something other than an injury.

      He’s done this for every injury we’ve had, there’s no conspiracy. I’m betting he knows what the doctors told him and has a very good idea of whether he can play, but he doesn’t want to say something wrong, then the team doctor says the kid can’t go and then either the player looks like he’s malingering or Andersen looks like an idiot.

      It’s really best to let the team doctor speak to the status of the players, in my opinion.

      • Jack says:
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        Didn’t GA have a mini rant about that regarding Storm and the Michigan game? I believe he said he wasn’t the expert, and they (media) should just go ask the team doc.

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    New offer to Crater QB Matt Struck. Watching his film, I’m a little surprised he hasn’t gotten more attention. The kid is 6’3, decent athlete, and he can sling it. There are some questionable decisions in his reel that need to be ironed out, but he seems to have the tools there. He looks to be a better passer than Collins at this point.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      You sure about an offer? His tweet last night was just some fan art.

      Agree though, i like this guy

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        My bad. I thought it was an offer. Makes sense; GA and staff seem to be backing off QB’s with Moran in the fold.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          I don’t think you’re far off though. There’s a reason they’ve asked him to visit campus twice. I also think he’d love an offer, but just don’t see it coming due to the class size and the fact they already have Moran committed. Doesn’t mean he couldn’t be a possibly walk on who earns a spot.

          Being down in Medford, he doesn’t get great exposure, but just by having his name out there in connection with OSU, that could help him get noticed by another school who comes with an offer.

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            You never know with guys leaving the program after this season. Could be a late addition.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    There has been much conjecture about the authenticity of Collins’ injury, but it’s real. An MRI this week could reveal damage that may limit or end his availability for the rest of the season.

    Andersen isn’t saying, but it could be that Collins’ initial reaction to sharing duty with Mitchell wasn’t positive. Andersen isn’t unhappy with Collins, whose athleticism and running ability is a major weapon for the Beavers. But Mitchell’s leadership abilities have not gone unnoticed by the OSU coaches, who want to put the team in its best position to compete through the final four games.

    Andersen intimated that some of his players with eligibility remaining might not return next season.

    “These kids have to be able to keep grinding through,” he says. “The non-tough guys won’t make it through this experience. It will be too much for them.”

    Oregon State has 16 verbal commitments from recruits. Andersen estimates the Beavers can take about 18 in the 2016 class, though that number could decrease through defections.

    http://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/279620-155891-the-beavers-plan-at-qb-and-other-positions

  • Beav in TX says:
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    So it’s not a fake injury, but the inevitable damage of a wiry kid repeatedly hurling himself at guys twice his size?

    • locationoregon says:
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      According to GA in his pre-game interview with Parker, Collins injured himself while jogging backwards during warm-ups. Quite plausible.

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    GA talking dirty:
    “He has that last six inches where he can really snap on you as a defender.”

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      As this relates to the thread. GA is a few hours short of mastering the English language.

  • Beav11 says:
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    Next time GA says someone is hurt, maybe we try taking it at face value? Lot of commenters (& angry) on here looking pretty distasteful at the moment with the unsubstantiated rumor-mongering and attacks on SC the past week.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      When a coach like GA, who appears to be very upfront and honest, comes out with an “I don’t know”, it seems off. The guy has an answer for everthing, he has a plan and makes no excuses. Then his #1 QB is hurt and he doesnt know his status? it seems kind of wierd doesn’t it? People not questioning things going on around the program is what lead Riley to grind it into the dirt. As for rumors, they are just that, rumors. Some have validity, most don’t, but angry is posting things heard around the program in an open discussion, not stating that the rumors are true. This is a critical discussion site not a news organizations.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Baldwin better hope this study is flawed.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6723295/Two-cans-of-fizzy-pop-a-day-raise-heart-risk-25.html

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Makes me wonder how many of those guys studied, also had a Supersized Quarter Pounder and Fries to go along with those 2 fizzy drinks per day?

      Maybe Baldwin needs to let his sodas go flat before drinking them?

    • Jack says:
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      Meh… Baldwin doesn’t have two daily servings. I’m sure he’s fine.

      Anyone know how many servings are in a can? With that stuff, I would imagine three or four.

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