21.Dec.2015 Quinnipiac @ Oregon State (and Defensive Coordinator Talk)

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6pm Pac-12 networks.

Since this isn’t a game to garner much interest, feel free to keep the DC talk up in this thread. After this game I’ll make a thread dedicated to that.  Sounds like there won’t be internal promotions, so scratch the Chad talk. I haven’t heard any intriguing names. Todd Orlando and Kevin Clune are names being thrown around. I’d be fine with either. Since GA is a defensive coach, I’m not too worried (except on the recruiting front) — he can always become more hands on in a pinch, and wait to see who is on the market next year. Recruiting is where this could hurt — they had that top 35 class I/we were expecting, and now it will be tough to hang on.

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  • PDXBeav says:
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    I’d be ecstatic with Todd Orlando, but not sure if he would make the switch from Houston to Corvallis after just being in Utah the previous year. It’d be a large pay increase for him since he makes $500K as the Houston DC. But, his Houston team is in a New Year’s bowl and will likely be in one next year with Tom Herman returning and most of their top players. Hard to give that up.

    Kevin Clune sounds interesting, but I would promote Chad K to DC and have Clune come on as LB coach, or even have Clune and Chad K as co-Def Coordinators. Clune makes $200K per year as the Utah State DC, you’d think he’d make the switch if he’s getting paid $400K+. Chad K would get a substantial pay increase as well. Then get someone like Inoke as the DL coach, or even bring Joe Seumalo back.

    • ace0099 says:
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      another name being thrown around is the DL Coach of WSU Joe Salave’a mainly for the Polynesian connection

  • thebeaverman says:
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    Is Dave Aranda a realistic candidate?

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Sounds like no. And we need a coach who will be around for longer then 2 years.

    • angry angry says:
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      No, but some think he is.

      A better question is “Why would you, as a fan or head coach, want to go through this again next year?”.

      Hence why I said it’s important to hire some stability.

      • scotty says:
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        EXACTLY.

        Called into JB show just now with that same thought. Never was a factor with Riley (no demand for his assistants), but we can’t make these lateral hires that will only stay for a year or two because they have nothing else they can prove at a P5 level.

        • angry angry says:
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          Some fans just want a name they recognized as big time. They don’t think about what comes with that, like replacing that guy every year. Plus, I’d rather pay less for a coordinator who has shown high potential at a lower level (i.e. the Chip Kelly model). That savings can be put into something more important. Especially with a defensive HC. Sitake started at Utah State, right? I mean there are coaches at those levels who are fine. Just go grab the best one. My big concern is recruiting, though…even if they grab a competent lower level DC, can he recruit the pac-12? To grab one who can coordinate D and is an A+ recruiter is the only reason to open the pocket book for this hire. It should be a 300k job. If you get a recruiter, bump it to 500k. Sitake was well overpaid.

          • Beav in TX says:
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            I think you may be underestimating organizational fit in a rebuilding job like this. One of the main reasons GA brought Sitake in was because he knew him well and knew he fit into the kind of culture he wanted to develop.

            One year in, that may be less of a concern, as it sounds like some of the building blocks are already in place. At the time, though, it was definitely important for GA to have a right-hand man that could lay the foundation.

  • angry angry says:
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    Post edited, scratch Chad getting the job.

  • Corliss says:
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    Quinippiac is 4-5. They have five new starters. They lost to Vermont. Lets get some payback for last year.

  • Bill says:
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    This game will be a great opportunity for the young guys to shine.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    I still want a DC who will be gone in a couple years. That new blood every two to three years is abrupt. But it provides a model which, in itself, is successful. When coordinators are hired away, that means something is working. That something would be vision. And I think it brings in new and fresh ideas and expands the vision if done well.

    I would resist the idea of hiring someone comfortable from past stops if that person isn’t the best available. All things being equal, sure. But the best is what we want first.

    I suggested Scott Shafer, but he’s been hired on at Maryland. So he’s out. If stability is what we want, then I would suggest Phil Snow at Temple. But then I started thinking about how he might be as a recruiter instead of a talent evaluator with a great scheme. I think Ruhle himself is also responsible for a lot of the evaluation on the D side there. But looking at their most successful unit, the LBs, Mike Siravo has been a part of a successful D wherever he has been. And he’s learned from some good coaches along the way. He has also been an excellent recruiter. Those things can’t be exclusive of each other. If he fit the culture and wanted to learn from GA, I would give him a shot.

    And then I would also see if I could get Inoke on the staff to compete for internal promotion the next time our DC is poached. I would have thought Coach K would be next in line. But if he’s not ready so be it.

    edit: Now that I think about it, one of the D-minded coaches Siravo worked for was Al Golden, and he’s available so far as I know. And he might (or might not) know the recruiting trail in Florida and can work with Lockette.

    • angry angry says:
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      I still want a DC who will be gone in a couple years.

      I guess it depends what you mean by couple years. It implies 2, but I’d say we want a guy for at least 3 at this point.

      Hiring new coordinators each year is fine for the Ohio States and Alabamas, but it’s not good for a program that’s rebuilding and doesn’t have a great reputation outside of its own fanbase. For OSU, a guy who will be here at least 3 years is pretty important with this hire. And a guy who can recruit. If in 3 years we’re a powerhouse, I’d change my mind and not care much about stability.

      Now, I realize Riley epitomized stability, but that’s not what I’m advocating. He was stagnant. I think there’s a happy medium.

      I find it hard to argue searching for a D coordinator in late December is a good thing at this stage of the rebuild. I’m going to see who they hire, but I’m concerned about this class and all the setbacks GA has had. It’s like he can’t get out of his own way to actually start rebuilding. Last year it was coming in during the dead period, this year it’s loosing a coach during the dead period….plus an awful season, etc. It’s just very unstable and might scare recruits.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I would favor three years and establishing that as a pattern if necessary. But I’ll also take two years if it means extreme success.

        And to anyone suggesting Wilcox… please stop. There is a reason Clay Helton was hired as the interim HC, became the man and then dismissed a certain group of assistants after Sark did Sark. I don’t want any part of that situation.

        • angry angry says:
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          Yeah I think it just depends on where you’re at as a program and who’s on the market. This is a tough situation for OSU…again. I’m curious to see if GA can salvage it and get this thing moving the right way. It’s been going sideways and backwards.

    • Beav in TX says:
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      Golden’s a 3-4 guy, so it kind of makes sense. He isn’t connected to GA at all, though, which seems to be an important criteria.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I think he’d be fine with GA so long as we don’t hire planes with banners any more.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        But if OSU hires him, how long before the airplane banners start flying?

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Damn you jack 🙂

  • Jack Jack says:
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    And I want to see payback for last year’s Quinnipiac game.

  • boba says:
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    I would like to see an A to Z 25-30 pt blowout for the Beavs. They haven’t had one yet this non-conference. Even NW Christian hung tough in the first half. I want to see complete domination like the DePaul game last season. Go Beavs!

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Someone I never would have suggested until VaTech hired Fuente is Bud Foster. He signed some ridiculous extension last year and looked like he was in position to take over. Maybe there are some cracks there now? Maybe not. Maybe he’s just that committed to VaTech.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      That was surprising. Foster had so many opportunities to leave and become a HC, but stayed with the assumption he would take over for Beamer. I think Va Tech did the smart thing with the hire.
      Foster must really like it there, because that had to be a major kick in the nads. I read an article that said he met with and hit it off with Fuente, but it is hard to believe there is not some resentment.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I want to see GA hire someone who’s good enough for other schools to want him. If they hire someone who’s guaranteed for 3 or 4 years it’s probably going to be another banker like person. I for one have had enough of that.

    Pay the new guy something like $700K and if they want to jump fine, bring in another one.

    Question for anyone who might be up to speed on the stuff KS had hanging around his neck: were some of those objects skulls? Curious minds want to know.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Also, when I realized that GA is making something on the order of $191K ($2.3M/12) PER MONTH I found myself not feeling very sorry for him and what he’s having to deal with.

      Earn your money GA, earn your money.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Am I alone in thinking any coaching contract for more than, say, $350K, should include a stiff buyout for at least the first two years?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Unless they’re hired on as a HC or the NFL. Lateral moves, I’m fine with that type of clause. But that also leaves you vulnerable to paying them excess if they don’t fit.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I’m not going to go look because I don’t care. But it sounds like he’s probably wearing a special occasion lei made of large shells or kukui nuts?

      I agree. find a never-ending stream of coordinators by making the job one of success, worthy pay and eventual (or quick) advancement. Having, losing and finding the next best DC every couple years can be a form of trust. Yes, we’re watching to see what GA will do and how that indicates his ability to form this type of system. I would say he came from that kind of system himself and wants to do the same for his own people.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        They are Beaver nuts.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        It was kinda weird because both TH and KS were wearing them. At first I thought some of the objects were die but after looking at them for awhile I thought they looked more like skulls.

    • Aranda or Orlando says:
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      You pay an Aranda 800K and maybe even 830K a year. You pay an Orlando in the range of 600-640K. Anyone else without extensive DC experience not at the very top of the list doesn’t need more than 540-570K. You only pay premium for more premium targets. Other guys are lucky to get big bumps to 550K and any more is beyond their current market value.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    It is pretty ironic that the trigger for all the massively unneeded upheaval with our football program was a Beav alum, bucking Bronco M. Luck O Da Beav’s.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Nemec up with some recruiting positives, says Wesley Payne is solid and working to influence others.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2015/12/wesley_payne_jc_all-american_l.html#incart_river_index

  • cj cj says:
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    Anyone know why Wiese isn’t playing today?

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Something about a right wrist injury. McWilliams gets the nod.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Per Gina, “Wiese is not in uniform. Injured. We’re told Scott Rueck will address it after the game.” and, “Sydney Wiese’s right hand is heavily wrapped.”
      Last year after Jamie’s hand injury the gals picked up some 9 straight wins.

  • scotty says:
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    Cookie monster getting some MNF spotlight 🙂

    • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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      Cooks with some amazing catches. Wow. Forgot how good he was lol.

  • osbeavs says:
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    I am not concerned that the next hire is going to leave in one season even if they are a big name. Sitake was always expected to leave relatively quickly however no one expected him to be gone in one year. Sitake was realistically only a candidate for BYU because of the limited number of LDS coaches. Based on our last season he would’ve been here for at least one more year had Bronco not left BYU.

    Regardless of hire, the next coach will be stuck here for at least two years as our record next year probably won’t look much different from this year. If the next coach is getting a promotion after one season it is because we have wildly exceeded expectations (probably 9+ wins). I would happily make that trade.

  • ace0099 says:
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    World-Herald Big Red ?@OWHbigred 6m6 minutes ago
    World-Herald Big Red Retweeted Markell Simmons
    Markell Simmons, a #Huskers safety target, picks TCU over Nebraska, Utah and Oregon State.

  • OSU82 says:
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    Jarmal dips that shoulder into the opposing player nearly every time he gets the ball down low. Lucky he doesn’t get call for offensive foul every time. Quinn giving the Beavers a game so far.

  • jawsua says:
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    Jarmal Reid needs to quit handling the ball on offense. Turnover waiting to happen every time.

  • boba says:
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    Another sluggish start, getting old.

  • OSU82 says:
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    Beaver look like crap right now at the 4 minute mark. Quit with the threes already!!

  • OSU82 says:
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    Reid charge again…hmmm…think I may have seen that a time or two.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Does Jamal have any football eligibility left?

    • Corliss says:
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      He would make a nice TE. Jarmal, give GA a call when the season is done!

  • Del Beavz says:
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    Quinniapiaipnninniac appears to be a decently organized and composed squadron.

  • boba says:
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    Not sure why it always takes a WT halftime “get your ass in gear”, but that seems to be what is happening this year against lesser talented teams.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Nice 16 point lead now.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    GP2,,,GP2…GP2…GP2.

  • locationoregon says:
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    From Rivals (free) https://oregonstate.n.rivals.com/news/hughes-murray-disappointed

    Most interesting quote:

    “The three-star prospect, ranked the No. 13 senior in Washington by Rivals.com, told BeaverBlitz.com that Sitake and Tuiaki said they would be unable to recruit him to BYU because their class with the Cougars was already taking shape.”

    https://oregonstate.n.rivals.com/news/hughes-murray-disappointed

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’m hoping to see the Beavs start crashing the boards harder.

  • jawsua says:
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    When they showed Devon Collier all I could think about was potential and lac of development. CR had such underachieving teams. I think Collier’s best season was his sophomore year.

    • ean says:
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      I thought at one point he could sneak his way into the 2nd round of the draft.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Finding the open man much better this half. Defense and Rebounding been tightened up

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    How good is Togiai at basketball? Was he being recruited heavily for it? I never paid attention.

  • OSU82 says:
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    Tinkle has had a really solid game tonite. Good to see.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Double double

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        Shot the ball well, played under control, no TO’s, got some steals and assists. Pretty good line overall.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Tinkle Jr. does all the little things and plays hard. Solid fundamentals. He is going to a really good player.

      • cj cj says:
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        Thompson Jr. even looked decent most of the time he was in tonight. Seemed to be more in control. I like Bruce a lot and think he was the sleeper of the class.

        Agree with everything said about little Tinkle tonight! Awesome!

        I still don’t understand Tinks use of the post guys

  • OSU82 says:
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    I liked that Smith (#1) for Quinni…he looked pretty solid in the post with some low post offense that I hope Drew was taking notes on. I see he finished with 16/12 with a couple assists and a couple blocks. When Drew gets something going besides the dunk, he’s going to be a beast down low.

  • thatguy says:
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    I just can’t bring myself to care about the women’s team after that Tennessee loss. That was completely inexcusable honestly. Of course you’ll beat up on the teams that just don’t have the size, but when it’s close and you need to execute to win, I want to see it. Anyway, it sucks that Wiese is out with a broken hand, because she is so needed. We have a game against Notre Dame but unless Katie McWilliams can get the cogs moving and quickly, I don’t see us even making that game close.

    The men did what they were supposed to. Stevie Thompson finally made a three, and that was needed. Tres is growing on me because he’s playing more and more within himself, and now it shows. NOW he’s deserving starter’s minutes. Parts of the game got out of control, but good job by keeping it all together. The perimeter shooting needs to be better to beat the good teams in our conference. If we shoot <30% from outside against UCLA, Utah, Arizona, Cal, uo, we don't win. Our defense simply isn't good enough these days. (I think ASU and Colorado are somewhat dangerous but very beatable…unfortunately we play ASU only in Arizona)

    Bring on the quacks.

  • Aranda or Orlando says:
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    Next couple days we should start hearing more rumors about who OSU is moving towards for DC. My gut tells me Orlando is getting interviewed. 630K will get him to move from Houston for a Power 5 job in the PAC-12. Aranda will need closer to 830K and then he will do some serious contemplation. Not ruling out GA as I am sure he is giving Aranda a phone call.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      From a quality-of-life standpoint, Corvallis, Portland, PNW are a huge upgrade over Houston….

      • Beav in TX says:
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        I can tell you from experience: no one likes living in Houston.

        Cost of living would be the big difference, but if he’s making 800k, I think he can manage.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Houston is in line to be a Big 12 member with major upgrades to their facilities and you can throw a rock from the campus and hit a hundred Div 1 prospects. He has hitched his wagon to a rising star, so I am skeptical if Orlando would come west even with a big pay jump. Yes, Houston is a crap hole, but HS football is king there. The big questions are if Orlando would come do we get Dawn as a package deal and will the tree huggers allow us to tie a yellow ribbon are around the old oak tree?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Other considerations regarding Orlando:

            1. Clay Helton is looking for a DC… and is a Houston alum.
            2. Orlando is a Wiscy alum.

          • Beav in TX says:
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            UH isn’t joining the Big 12 next year. I’m sure he would at least consider a huge pay raise and the bump in prestige that comes with a P5 gig.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Why not Manti Te’o?
            Poly….check
            Comes from a traditional power….check
            High profile……check
            Has unlimited amount of smokin’ hot imaginary chicks to host recruits…..check!

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            Maybe we can get his girlfriend.

  • Corliss says:
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    I have started to think about next year, and it scares me a little that our starting guards would appear to be Duvivier, Thompson Jr, and Bruce. That group could use some more experience. Do we have a Juco wing coming?

    • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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      Keondre Dew is a Juco wing coming in

      • Corliss says:
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        247 sports lists him as a forward

        • blackbug says:
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          In Tinkle’s review of the 3 recruits from the early signing period he mentioned that Dew could play several positions.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          And?

          Someone else might list him as a 3. Yet another may call him a swingman.

          They’re all interchangeable. Although, technically “wing” refers to a spot on the court, not a position.

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    “I wasn’t BYU’s second choice. I called “bank” before the interview. Adios Sitake”

  • Hi_I'm_Chuckie says:
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    Akron is in trouble Chuckie has arrived!!!

  • DamBeaver says:
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    The sports writers who have made it sound like Aranda is in contention for OSU’s DC opening need to get a clue. He is not coming to OSU. Many fans are now under the impression that OSU has a huge chance of landing him. It is NOT going to happen. It is time to start talking about other candidates. I haven’t seen it so much on this board but on other OSU forums.

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      The only way it happens is if they offer him like 1.2 mil, and even then he’d just take another job year 2. Rebuild will never get off the ground if they keep shifting coaches.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I made a bad assumption re where GA was sighted (@Utah State).

    However, his being at the Utah State game gives him a chance to talk to the Utah State people that he’d be interested in talking to.

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      I think his son plays there.

    • osu97 says:
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      Clune is USU DC. Clune was the linebackers coach at Utah State for five years before spending one year as Hawaii’s DC,.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Odds on favorite. Those without ties to that state need not apply.

      • beaverfan5 beaverfan5 says:
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        I see Andersen watching this game and seeing what Clune has instilled into these defenders. Actually looks pretty good so far.

  • beaverfan5 beaverfan5 says:
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    That potato freaks me the fuck out

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Double posted (on another thread).

    Building a staff: 20 potential assistant coaches for BYU coach Kalani Sitake’s staff
    http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/college/byu/football/building-a-staff-potential-assistant-coaches-for-byu-coach-kalani/collection_b67fbb44-7fa1-5845-bee0-b731a0aa2c8f.html

    McGiven is the only OSU coach listed as a possible but there’s no mention of Tuiaki so this list might not be worth much. Never the less I’m glad there aren’t more OSU coaches listed.

    Norm Chow is also listed as a possible OC, I’d forgotten that he spent 27 years coaching at BYU. He’ll be 70 next year so he must be close to retiring from football.

    Speaking of Tuiaki he’s no longer listed as a coach on the OSU football website.

    I don’t recall seeing this story about Tuiaki changing his twitter avatar to the BYU logo. I’m sure this is old news to some of you.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/12/ilaisa_tuiaki_oregon_state_lin.html

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