16.Dec.2017 General Thread…beyond Petras?

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Everyone seems to have had their say on the Petras flip; we agree (or not) that it is Riley’s fault and that opposing coaches would never (or always) bring Riley’s record into question.  LOL

Some suggested topics:
1)  DC (and staff):Vegas Bowl on ABC at 12:30, will the Heyward for DC discussion be finalized by this evening?  When will we see a DC named if not Heyward?  Other bowls effecting the decision?  Jimmy Lake may be getting an extension at UW and Alex Grinch is being considered for tOSU, doubt those two were ever serious possibilities, no?

2)Vegas Bowl may show us Cristobal’s ability with X’s ‘n O’s; can you spell second half adjustments?

3)Beav Basketball double header in PDX starting with the gals at 5. Both Mens and Womens games on Pac12.  Hmmm…“Dam City Classic”; anyone else get tired of the “Dam” thing?  Damn Straight!

Have at it, oh yeah, If you find yourself checking in here frequently, consider buying angry a cup of coffee.  Check previous thread for PayPal link

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  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Some good comments on the tail end of the previous thread regarding DC, I’ll attempt to place them here:
    Youngorst said, “If its not Heyward I am gonna be really concerned. UO is a rare school that makes its assistants wait to move on (or at least announce they are moving on), I feel like if Smith hasn’t been waiting on Heyward it means Smith is having a difficult time getting someone to agree to take the job.”

    Beavergopher agreed, and Jack followed with:
    “It’s not that they’re rare in that they do that. I think every school should do it. It’s a proper stick to the carrot of executive pay.
    I understand wanting KHJ for DC because of his relationships. But does he have the chops to run a stout D, as opposed to the fluff he’s seen at his various stops?
    I would rather concentrate our D along the front and go give Inoke the DC job. The man has been stellar for many years with his groups. Part of that is teh players he’s had, but he’s also helped to take great athletes and just make them great players and a great part of a successful D.
    Maybe we’re looking at a situation where Co-DCs would really be a good call.”

    wfo chimed in with, “Yep, as a coach I’d take Inoke. They may be fixated on Heyward as a recruiter.”

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      And, I agree with Jack’s point in questioning Heyward as DC. Also, gotta wonder what happened to the talk of Bray as DC or Co-DC. Waiting for Heyward or ?? to sign off on Bray? Hall is out of the picture, right?
      Just askin’

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    Regarding Petras, I don’t mean to be blunt, but could it just be a simple as he didn’t want to play for a shitty team? I mean, Iowa is in a bowl game damn near every season and I think they were in the Rose Bowl a couple of years ago. Who knows OSU’s future right now? I’m not sure I would place any blame on Riley, I think there needs to be more history on his recruiting efforts. Turning around the Beavs appears to be a long slog. Maybe Petras didn’t want to deal with that?

    Regarding the DC position, any chance Heyward would be hesitant because if he can’t turn it around it damages his HC career path? In other words, it’s safer for him to stay at Oregon?

    • tim318 says:
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      Sure that’s possible. But folks wonder why Petras stayed a solid OSU verbal through the entire season and then flips at the end. Why not decommit earlier?

      Of course, many are tired to the Riley hype that’s going around.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        I will happily pile on Riley if the damage he inflicts is clear since I’m dubious about his hire. With Petras, my thought was GA recruit, plus shitty team. I almost give him kudos for staying loyal for as long as he did?

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Why not decommit earlier? BINGO!

        BTW: Did ya notice Eggers get his jock in a wad when questioned about his original post that Petras was solid with OSU only a couple days before the flip?

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          Eggers is getting tiresome with his “I don’t do rumors and gossip” act, but then he actually does do that, he just likes to characterize it differently.

      • Maybe Next Year says:
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        Did he stay solid till the end? Maybe im wrong, but didn’t he visit Nebraska, didn’t he schedule Iowa before Smith came on. Maybe he wasnt solid, but didnt want to burn the bridge until he was certain on what he wanted to do.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          FWIW: Eggers reported yesterday that OSU “was at his house for dinner Tuesday; Iowa came calling Wednesday. Now he has decided to be a Hawkeye.”

      • bleedorange says:
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        Bc he hadn’t taken his official to iowa yet. Who commits before an official? Stop looking for something not there. Its very normal to hang on to a branch until u have a hold of another.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Wait… who leaves OSU for some place he’s never been to? What kind of person would ditch OSU for someplace sight unseen?

          Is that what you’re asking?

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      The simplest explanation is usually the truth. I’m pissed he ends up at my other alma mater’s rival to torment me. Why couldn’t he go to Texas Tech?

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        Maybe Petras will get bored from passing 20 times a game and leave Iowa?

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    For those hoping for progress in the coaching candidate search, the job posting has officially closed as of yesterday, and it wasn’t extended this time.
    Should mean we’ll see some football scoop rumors this weekend, followed by some official announcements Monday.

    http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/beaver-gif-2.gif

  • Maybe Next Year says:
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    Why is the Brey talk about him as a DC option? He is out of a job, so can’t you just bring him in as a linebacker coach (if you want him). I dont see why he wouldnt come for that given the ties and again the fact that he needs a job.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Seems he does need a job, maybe he doesn’t view OSU as his best bet?
      If he were to be the DC that would have been announced by now.
      If he is considered for Co-DC then maybe the delay is to be sure the other Co agrees.
      If he is considered only for LB then the delay still revolves around the yet to be named DC, right?

      Other possibilities?

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        I saw Banker just yesterday running errands, he was trying to be incognito wearing his Nebraska gear, but as long as the cheer squad is trying to get the old crew together…

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          Did Banker let a mobile senior citizen knife through him at the Safeway check out line?

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Early going but Boise State looks good. Up 14 – 0

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Bronco #38 shows how to tackle and force the fumble, the attitude we’d like to see out of the Beavs.
    7-0 Broncos becomes 14-0 quickly. Fun offense to watch, 1 min left in 1st qtr.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Had some admiration for Troy Dye till he showed his “Blount like” ethics and was rewarded with a flag for late hit on QB. Helmet to helmet, supposed to be ejection, no?

    • Maybe Next Year says:
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      Thought the same thing, but maybe because he didn’t lead with the crown of his helmet?

  • bleedorange says:
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    Agree that if we don’t hear news of a hire Monday Smith must be striking out. Im hoping he was just waiting on this game and this will resolved.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Herbert, next years Heisman????
    Throws a pick six and it’s Bronco’s up 24 zip with 5 min left in first half.

    • bleedorange says:
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      But but nemec says he’s a top 5 pick. He really busts out the kneepads for this kid.

  • osu0209 says:
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    Dux getting an exclusive preview of the future of the program.. wonder boy Herbert with 2 picks (one for 6) in the first half

  • ohiobeav says:
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    I like seeing the Duck bandwagon fans speechless in Vegas. LOL

  • SteveEbeaver says:
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    BSU about to go up 31-0 but a trick play backfired and fumble returned for 6. 24-7

  • ObjCritic says:
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    A pratfall by UO today could give their recruiting class pause…

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Naw, they got the goody bag already, they’re solid. LOL

  • SteveEbeaver says:
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    Crazy. Pick 6 and it’s 24-14 on a 100 yd return

  • Maybe Next Year says:
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    2 pics in the end zone, the fumble inside the 5 and a missed field goal, or Boise could be up 41-0… instead it’s a 10 point game.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      First half stats: Boise up 18-4 in First downs, Boise up 296-77 in total yards.

      Ha ha, commentators says, “you got to give Leavitt credit”, you kiddin’?

  • ohiobeav says:
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    Can Boise St just run the ball? They just gave the Ducks new life.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    “The momentum has swung….”

  • ohiobeav says:
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    No to Harsin, his mojo runs out mid 2nd quarter. lol

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      I don’t know about that. Ranked 25 in the USA and a fun O to watch.

      • ohiobeav says:
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        Sarcasm of course. Harsin seemed forgotten in the coaching names that were thrown around, but was a very good option.

  • Beaverbill Beaverbill says:
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    Dux defense out scoring their offense.

    • Maybe Next Year says:
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      Broncos scoring all the points for both teams… ha ha

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Eggers with a small OSU update:

    • Plenty is going on behind the scenes with Oregon State football, and there should be some major announcements in the next week, including filling out Jonathan Smith’s coaching staff.

    Smith has been hot on the recruiting trail the past week, but will try to get things pinned down in terms of assistant coaches.

    There’s still a very good chance he’ll hire Trent Bray, but Keith Hayward is evidently going to stay at Oregon.

    Despite some reports, Mike Hass — the former Biletnikoff Award recipient who played with Smith at OSU and is now employed in the baseball glovewear division at Nike — will not be joining the Beaver staff. Nor will Dennis Erickson, who coached Smith and Hass at OSU but, at age 70, is retired, at least for now.

    “At this time in my career, it’s not for me,” says Erickson, now living in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. “But I’ll do whatever I can in terms of advice if Jonathan wants it. And I’ll start coming to more games and get back to being a Beaver. I’m really excited about Jonathan running the show there.”

    Erickson says he believes assistant head coach Mike Riley, 64, will be a big help for Smith.

    “He’s quite a bit younger than I am, and he’s in a different situation,” Erickson says. “I love Mike. I have great admiration for him and what he has done in his coaching career. It will be of tremendous benefit to Jonathan. Mike has no ego. He’ll be there for Jonathan, and he has a lot more to give.”

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/381569-269048-on-katz-scott-etzel-and-more

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Also…

      • OSU coaches were greatly surprised at word that prep quarterback Spencer Petras of Rafael, California, has flipped his commitment to Iowa. Petras had assured OSU coaches after a meeting at his home Tuesday night he would be signing with the Beavers.

      On Friday night, OSU coaches met with Crescent Valley’s Talanoa Hufanga, who announced earlier he had narrowed his choices down to Southern Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Nebraska, Utah and Oregon.

      A source says the 6-1, 215-pound Hufanga, who is projected to play safety or slotback in college, has UCLA and Southern Cal has his leaders, in that order, with Oregon State as a “dark horse” contender. Hufango, who will play in the U.S. Army and Polynesian all-star games, says he will announce his school on Dec. 28 and will sign on the late letter-of-intent date, Feb. 7.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Yeah, Jonathan Riley was in Petra’s kitchen on Tuesday because he didn’t fit the system.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Right? So suddenly people think we will flip Yankoff, a more highly rated QB than Petras, because our original plan fell through?
          I’m sure Yankoff will be all over that pitch.

          • ohiobeav says:
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            Recruiting is all about relationships and trust right?….In JSmith we trust. or since Riley has USC ties from 30 years ago, maybe he will get Darnold to grad transfer for 1 glorious year.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            It’s also about airports.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Isn’t Talanoa Hufanga’s coach Scott Sanders the father of Tanner Sanders? Beavs athletics is owed a solid here.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        Apparently, Eggers was “greatly surprised” also, but keep in mind he doesn’t do gossip and rumors!

    • ohiobeav says:
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      How reliable is Eggers these days? Is he correct every other article? Heyward stays when Petras signs.

      I think Heyward, Breckterfield, Salavea, Bray are all coming. Not much to base it on beyond guessing and hoping, which may be slightly less than the sources Eggers has had for quite some time.

      In addition, we may as well start flipping 4* recruits from all over the west coast too.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Eggers is Simple Jack’s butt buddy and gets all his information from him. As a result, shit like “Petras is solid” and “we could land Hufanga” hopes and dreams bullshit becomes news.

        Hope ain’t a plan. But it’s all Riley has, cuz he can’t close a fucking zip lock bag.

  • FatDog says:
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    dux fans have to be questioning the HC decision.
    Doesn’t look like a well-coached team.
    I couldn’t be happier.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Chip’s first game as HC was against Boise too, with similar results.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Not overly impressed with the play of Heyward’s group.
      Overall the lack of discipline stands out, could be more flags thrown on both sides, but primarily on the ucks.

  • Turd Burglar says:
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    Beavs DC = Andy Avalos

  • Beaverbill Beaverbill says:
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    Who is Boose’s DC, can we get him?

  • LA Pine says:
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    Boise St channeling Mcgiven with dumbshit decision to throw it 3 times

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    First domino in the coaching search, Jim Leavitt. Does he stay at Oregon or go to FSU?

    • Alpha Alpha says:
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      He’s gone, sure he didn’t enjoy getting passed over for HC

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        If Heyward is hoping for the DC job with Cristobal when Leavitt leaves I think he will be disappointed.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Oregon has a pretty big offer on the table to make staying more attractive

  • Milt Gocus says:
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    Hey, I’m a Beav Alumni and forever Beav, but they would have lost by 60 today!! Don’t think Heyward is the answer at DC, but could not be worse than what we had. Still, it’s the athletes and their attitude that wins football these days..

  • Gobeavers92 says:
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    ESPN announcers gargeling U of Hole cock and balls the whole game. Brutal to listen to.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Listened to some of the game on the radio on the way up to Portland.

      Holy shit!

      Those guys are horrible beyond horrible. How does Duck fan put up with that tripe?

  • ohiobeav says:
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    Perhaps Heyward at the controls of a tuned in D is better than not in control of a group of tuned out prima-donnas who lost their fortune cookie, and don’t like Leavitt screaning in their face any longer.

    Boise St seems to always play ready to throw the first punch (figuratively) in these types of games. I’m looking for a time when osu teams play with such assurance/tenacity/aggresiveness.

    Breckterfield/Heyward as Co DCs sounds like a good plan, include Salavea in the mix for Poly guys and pretty soon you have a nice flavor of styles that could be a good fit at OSU.

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      Good points.
      Speaking of fortune cookie, I noticed this from slick willie, retweeted by Lundeberg at the GT:

      “Not everyone will appreciate what you do for them. You have to figure out who’s worth your kindness and who’s just taking advantage of you. Go Noles!”

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Haha that guy is so gross. All his horseshit rhetoric.

        I had to explain to some hole fan friends today that this fortune cookie/Jimbo Fisher switcheroo was probably in the works for most of the season. They have the same agent. This was probably all lined up and in the bag long before Sumlin got canned.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Have a pretty good source telling me Nikko Hall will be a Beav, come signing day this week.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Apparently “Smith and Riley are putting together something special”

      I know, we hear these types of phrases alot, but the source is pretty deeply involved in the process. Take that for what it’s worth

      • Bill says:
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        It needs to involve a qb

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Source had no word on any QB news.

          Noticed Colson Yankoff recently updated his twitter profile pic and header from generic pics, to Husky related pics. Not a good sign for those hoping for a flip

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            Probably because JS and Riley think Luton is special

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I’ll take something special over a neat deal.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Nobody with a functioning brain thought Yankoff was going to flip.

          • Electric Eye says:
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            For real. The hopes and dreams on this site are not based in reality.

            OSU doesn’t swing a big enough bat, this year, to compete for a player like Yankoff.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Having a Beaver named Yankoff would be beyond special

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Beavs offer Zachary Wilson(Boise St QB decommit who we thought was headed to Iowa) today, while he was visiting BYU. Gotta think it will be between us and BYU now, if he still plans to sign early.

    https://twitter.com/zachkapono/status/942214641647833088

    • Electric Eye says:
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      That kid is a project. Watch his film. Even though it’s highlight tape, he’s got major trouble making reads and going through progression. He’s also way too cocky for how good he actually is. He’s definitely got more potential to disappoint, than to lead a D1 team to victories.

      OSU needs to take a hard pass on Wilson.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    WBB handling lower tier competition, will face a more severe test at Gill this week vs UC Davis. Series vs nike will be worth watching this year.

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      I’m withholding judgment on the Wbb team until they start playing some higher level competition. They are 0-2 in the two games against higher level teams they’ve played this season thus far. They’ve certainly shown they can beat up on the sub 300 RPI teams. It’s been an overall soft pre-conference schedule. I agree the UC Davis game should be a decent test.

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    MBB looks horrible.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Are the ducks 0-for-BSU? BSU’s beaten them at home, at Eugene….at the LV bowl…and yet OSU’s coaches struggle so much…

    • FatDog says:
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      Agreed.
      Harsin would not have been a bad choice for the beavs.
      BSU always seems to be able to develop good teams with middling talent.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Meh…

        He had that one year where Boise only won single-digit games.

        Major red flag.

  • Beaverbill Beaverbill says:
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    I thought BSU looked like they be wearing big boy pants today. Seriously, they looked legit. Good blocking and tackling. Great defense.

  • gobeavers92 says:
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    This might be the ugliest basketball game I have ever watched. Beavs down 41-40 with 9 minutes left.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      Brutal

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Eubanks always looks pale but I do believe the story that he was sick.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      I was there in person, it was not pretty. My wife and oldest played on their phones most of the game and I couldn’t really blame them.

      Edit: Story came out that several Beavs were sick including Ethan, Eubanks and Lil’ Tinks. Big G injured his ankle-on crutches after the game.

  • Bill says:
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    Looks like Smith is going to hire the defensive staff after the signing period. DC first and then that guy will select the position coaches.

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      Is he gonna hire a DC then hire Mark Banker to follow him around and hold his hand?

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Cristobal has a lot of energy, but delivers a gum chewer worthy assessment of today’s loss:
    “There’s trust and belief in that locker room. The thing that’s negative is the way we executed.”

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      Sort of a “Things went really well except for the score?”

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Maybe he lasts 2 years, 3 tops?

      I’ll be surprised if he can keep the “#1” recruiting class together, which is why he was promoted. There’s a lot of uncertainty in the program now.

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        “uncertainty in the program” doesn’t square with Cristobal’s “trust and belief in…locker room” remark #desperate/delusional

        Pretty stiff buyout either way if he’s gone within first 2-3 years.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Man, if Leavitt leaves that program could be a real mess.

      • Bill says:
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        Doesn’t matter what his recruiting class ranks, dude can’t coach them up

    • Timberrr says:
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      Would rather hear a response similar to what Mike Leach would say.

      “We sucked. Plain and simple. All talent, no heart, the ultimate fucking tragedy. I’m fucking embarrassed.”

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I would rather have to hear what Mike Leach’s best receiver says about the upcoming bowl game.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      Cristobal got some crap from Herbstreit and Mack Brown for letting Freeman be part of the team and especially lead some stupid pre-game talk. “Why is he being allowed to lead, he’s gone” was their sentiment. I think it was Brown who went as far as to say, once the decision was made, he should have been off of the roster.

      I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, but Quack hired an HC who was 20 fucking games under .500. They should let that sink in. He was not close to being a non-Power 5 superstar.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Maybe it’s a Willamete Valley thing?

        If you quit on your team for selfish reasons, you’re allowed to return to the team and pretend you have an ounce of loyalty to said team?

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    Nicebeaver/BeavRecruiting posts a thank you to coach Bray for an offer to Cameron Thomas to play for the Beavs. Hmmm

    Noticed Bray’s twitter profile ID’s him as “Linebacker Coach” without reference to any particular team.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I still think Keith Williams ends up as our WR coach too

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        And a 4th Nebraska staffer, Todd McShane. (Previously a Beav)
        I think he will be involved with player personnel on Smith’s staff.
        So, at least 4 members of the Nebraska staff appear to be headed to OSU.

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          i.e., Riley’s Nebraska staff.This is beginning to remind me of a Hutterite colony.

      • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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        So…

        From Nebraska:
        Riley (AHC)
        Trent Bray (LB?)
        Keith Williams (WR?)
        Dan Van De Riet (Operations)
        Todd McShane (Player Personnel) does he replace Guinta?

        I wonder if Hall will be retained… I saw on his twitter feed he’s just “Oregon State Football Coach”. Probably just due to Smith hire. Seems like the dude is completely off the radar though.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Shoot, i wasnt counting DVD, so you’re right. 5 Nenraska staffers(not all confirmed yet)
          My guess is Bray will be Co-DC with a focus on DLine and LBs, and somebody else will be Co-DC, focused on DBs/Safeties.

          Hall took his oregon state header photo down, but he’s still technically employed by OSU through next year, unless he finds another job.

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          So the Beavs basically end up with the Nebraska staff who drove the Husker program down to historic lows in three short years? Is that what you’re telling me???? I for one am pumped up!

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            2 of them are still question marks(Williams and McShane) but yes.
            I actually like the offensive side of things if Williams is on the staff(aside from the DUIIs) Haven’t heard anything about a RB coach though.

            On defense, still alot of question marks. I just don’t see Bray getting the DC job title to himself and every other position is still unknown.

            Mcshane vs Guinta or Yray, I don’t really care. Was never really impressed by those 2, and I have nothing to base a Mcshane opinion on. Or maybe all 3 stay on. Not sure

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    So what the hell is MBB going to do about the point guard situation? Some of this has to be on the coaching staff, right? Is there anyone in the pipeline at least?

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      What do we know about Xavier Smith? I presume he is a RS FR.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      I know it’s just the non-conference, but the team is doing a hell of a lot better with the Thompson brothers running the point since McLoughlin bailed. It seems sustainable to me with how Hollins has looked.

      • cj cj says:
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        I know he didn’t get a lot of stats, but Kone’ looked good last night and the team was much better after he entered the game.

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          His +/- was good, but he had so much rust on him. He was inconsistent at best.

          It was nice to see someone go up with two hands and yank down some real boards.

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          He did look good rebounding and was aggressive on both ends. The ill advised 3pt airball was suspect.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I don’t know that the pro line didn’t screw him up on that shot.

            What worried me more was the O board where he missed the put back. His touch with contact is rusty.

          • mckalk mckalk says:
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            I know Kone missed a put back, but I think Big G is about 0-6 on his last layups/put backs.

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          Kone had a lot of energy, but in person, he was much skinnier then I expected or else he has lost weight. I would think he needs some beef/muscle to play PF? It appears that McLoughlin leaving was the “addition by subtraction” cliche. Also, I don’t want to say it, but Ronnie Stacy looked like he actually belonged on the court last night and in a couple of the other games recently.

      • marcodg marcodg says:
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        That’s a pretty low bar. The guards really seemed to struggle with pressure in the backcourt and getting into the offense. If a team pressures the ball and then packs the paint, it will be hard for the Beavs to score. Unless our percentage from 3 improves substantially.

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          Last nights game needs to come with the caution that there is a bug going around the team, several players were sick and they looked like it at times. Kone, Hollins and even Stacy looked like they were not effected.

          Also, it looks like Manuel is starting to find his role after pouting through the first few games because he was no longer starting. Pure spot up three ball shooter this program never seems to have.

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            He has to learn to pout coming in cold off the bench.

  • youngorst says:
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    I honestly don’t understand what is taking so long when it comes to finding a DC, its a bad sign in my view. The DC needed to be in place prior to the 20th.

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      Smith set the expectations early when he said he would rather be late than make tge wrong hire, so I think he knew everything wouldn’t come together quickly.

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        Yeah, I realize that but frankly he should have had a short list of 3-4 names ready to go as DC when he took the job. The fact that no one has been named means he either did not have a short list or those guys said no. Both are a bad sign in my view.

        And I don’t buy the “waiting till after their bowl” stuff.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          You might be forced to wait until after bowls.

          Like it or not, some coaches actually respect their players and demand that respect from even their potential employers.

          You could not buy it, perhaps, because 9 has chosen to disrespect OSU with one of his first hires. So why would he wait and respect some other program? But it probably has to do with salary potential for sitting coaches waiting to participate in a bowl.

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            I don’t buy it because its simply not true. And frankly even if they want to coach in the bowl there is nothing preventing them from taking the job with the understanding they are gonna coach the bowl game. It happens quite often actually.

            I guess you must think Jim Michalczik shouldn’t have been hired either right? I mean, Arizona still has a bowl to play in yet he is already in Corvallis.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Michalczik shouldn’t be coaching in any bowl game if he’s committed to OSU. That would be dumb, albeit common, as you say.

            I think it has more to do with bonuses than anything else. Yes, I would rather have someone who respects their current team enough to see them through the end of their season. That way I know they’re at least professional about their business. This leads me to believe they won’t quit on my program in the middle of a season or game.

            But I’m not going to pretend these guys don’t at least have a calculator (or know someone who knows how to use one) and have figured out how to max their pay in the short term.

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            Leaving before Bowl games is the norm in the field and indicates nothing about what they might do at any other point during the season.

            If you want coaches to coach Bowls, make December a dead period for recruiting or move Bowl games closer to the end of the regular season. Expecting schools or coaches to wait a month because their team is playing in a made for TV exhibition game 4 weeks after the actual season is over is nonsense.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Leaving before Bowl games is the norm in the field and indicates nothing about what they might do at any other point during the season.

            Just because something is the norm doesn’t mean it’s professional. Why would you ask me to believe such a thing?

            And yes, it does indicate exactly what motivates them. Well, it indicates how they value their commitments as professionals to the people who pay them and the players they serve.

            Perhaps some of them have given notice already. That would satisfy your norm. I don’t see any need to get upset about not having someone in place yet. There appears to be a plan in motion. I guess you could say no news of Heyward is disappointing if you’re in the Heyward-must-be-our-DC camp.

            What would be more disappointing is if he was one of the former players who had positive input for hiring 9, then backed out of said input because of a minor difference in pay. I’m guessing the difference might not be that minor.

          • youngorst says:
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            Following the norms of your chosen field is professional. And leaving (or announcing you are leaving) prior to a Bowl is the norm therefore it is professional.

            Maybe there is a plan in place, you have no idea if that is actually true or they are scrambling because options 1-3 all said no.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Following the norms of business is professional. If college football and executive pay for meatheads is a business, then you follow the norms. Just because one profession is fucked up in its priorities doesn’t mean the norms follow those fucked up priorities.

            Believe it or not, there are guidelines written by all these institutions which explain the basic principles of how an employee is to act to be minimally professional. So I don’t lay all the blame on coaches for what the norms may be. They’re just a part of lazy management practices espoused by the schools themselves.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            And I’m not going to get myself in a tizzy trying to divine the meaning of no news thus far. I have better things to do than worry about the meaning behind something I don’t yet know.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            ^^something this inconsequential at this point

            Maybe that’s where you differ. But I wouldn’t worry too much until the decision itself is made. Then we can put the pieces together and figure out what was what. We still won’t have all the details, but we’ll have some instead of none.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        And then he made a wrong hire early.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Beavs are still recruiting BSU commit Kukea Emsley. DE from Hawaii, reminds me of Jaelen Jelks from Oregon. Not sure how likely we are to flip him though. Bray seems to focusing on DE recruiting right now, but just got started with that.

  • OSU ‘92 says:
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    Does anyone know official count on scholarships OSU has available in this class? Are we still in the 18-20 range?

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I haven’t checked closely lately, but i think we’re around 21-22 range with Seth Collins leaving. Could still climb as other guys transfer or retire

      • youngorst says:
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        Seems like they could easily sign a full class. Assuming another 3-5 players leave seems like a safe assumption.

        Anyone heard anything about Tyner’s plans?

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    I’m fine waiting for a DC selection if that’s what JS wants. I mean this was the shittiest P-5 defense in the country, so how bad of a hire will it be? The bar was set pretty low by Clune.

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    Posted on the “Things Overhead OSU” Facebook page. Mostly students post in this group:

    Rumor has it that Mike Riley thinks he is allowed to walk into an established restaurant and remove chairs out of a closed off area. He was told not sit in this area and the chairs were put back. He sat back down with a big entourage of people and threw a hissy fit when he’s not served. He’s rude. No respect for anyone and I don’t care who he coaches for and what he does. Wow my grammar was super bad.
    To clarify he went to the back of Broken Yolk by the bathrooms where it was closed off because they weren’t seating people there. Mike Riley and his entourage took the chairs down and sat there anyway even though there was no server for that area. He was told that he couldn’t sit there and chairs were put back. When the server walked away everyone took chairs down again and sat anyway. Mike Riley stood in the middle of the aisle area and Pace back and forth with his phone because he wasn’t being served. There was a whole line of people ahead of him and they were not prepared for his big entourage of people. He then took out reservation name cars that he had and put them on a bunch of tables to reserve those seats for more people that will coming. Even though he was told that they do not do reservations.

    Looks like Smiling Mike thinks he is King of the county again.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      Seems like this would be pretty easy to confirm. Maybe someone from the GT or Daily Barometer could make a phone call. Otherwise it’s just something somebody said.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Sounds like an episode of Mystery Diners.

        He was probably pacing with his phone because he was trying to call the employee who cut the deal to save them that section, but that employee was being grilled by Charles and the owner.

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      Pretty crazy for a guy who got boatraced at home 4 or 5 times this year and even lost to a lower division program at home. Looks like Riley has found the only place in America that will put up with his baloney. Hip Hip.

      Would have been much more excited had more money gone to a capable DC like Jimmy Lake (hopefully Beavs don’t whiff on Heyward), and told Riley it was a 10 day consultancy during fall practice or nothing. Now 50+ of thw staff looks like it will be Riley guys with few other prospects.

      Neat deal.

      • youngorst says:
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        I don’t see the connection between Riley and somehow that means less money for Lake. You don’t know how much Riley got and they still have to hire 10 assistants. Do you even know how much money they plan to spend on a DC?

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      Not buyin’. BS story.
      .

    • scuddie says:
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      Sorry. I’m calling BS.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      I sort of understand, it’s hard for those 75 year old alumnus with Mike to stand for any longer than five minutes while waiting for a table.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      The facebook page has a new link up with the security cam footage of Riley walking into Broken Yolk, like a boss.

      http://oi60.tinypic.com/2uym3up.jpg

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      If that’s true, Riley will have egg on his face #yolkgate

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Are there going to be any good surprises for the early signing day?

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Do you need an Advent calendar for recruiting?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        No, I bought the Advent Calendar beer box from Costco. I have not tried any yet. Impulse buy and the web reviews are not encouraging. Anybody tried this stuff? On second though I may need to binge drink it because of recruiting.

        • marcodg marcodg says:
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          If you just bought it you’ll need to down 15 of them before tomorrow to catch up.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          How about an OT on beer recommendation? Here’s some IPA’s I like:

          1) Pliney the Elder
          2) Pallet Jack
          3) Crikey IPA
          4) Pfriem Mosaic IPA
          5) Double Mtn Hop Lion
          6) Pfriem Double IPA

          Doesn’t get you to 15, but its a good start

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Do they sell Russian River beer up here?
            I checked out that Brewery last year when down in wine country. Great restaurant to go with their beer. Too much emphasis on sours though

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            Hard to find….occasionally they do but it sells out quickly. At least accord to “Food Hole.”

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            7) Open Bridge Brown
            8) Reggies Red

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Stuff Pliney is a sack. Add Boneyard and Breakside to your list. And Crux. And Sunriver for an up and comer.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I’ve been told Caves will get some tough love on tap soon.

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            Just had Double Mtn Molten Lava IIPA this weekend and it was very good.
            Also, Molotov Surprise IIPA by Evil Twin Brewing and it was amazing.
            Any IPAs I’ve had from Stone or Melvin outta WY are ALWAYS great beers…

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I think Nikko Hall will sign, and there’s a pretty good chance we sign Halid Djibril and Victor Terry. Also, Jesiah Irish.

      Add those to the already existing group of early signers and we’d have a pretty good start. Losing Petras definitely sucks though.

      • blackbug says:
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        This would be 16 total. Ideally they really need 3 on OL and 3 on DL. I do not know how they are going to get to this number other than attrition because that means every signed recruit in the February signing period will be on the line. I do not think this is going to happen. It looks like there will be little depth on the lines next year. We shall see how it works out.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    We just offered a NDSU DT commit who is being recruited by Inoke Breckterfield. Hmmm….

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      That does seem out of left field. That said, his offer sheet looks like its mostly G5 and FCS, is Inoke trying to convince him to walk on at Wisconsin? Doesn’t seem scholarship worthy for a New Years 6 team.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        I would guess he’s a guy Inoke has beem aware of for some time who he knew he could flip to OSU, but probably wasn’t necessarily needed at Wisconsin.
        Per 247, her decomitted from NDSU today, which sure seems like this isn’t some random offer by OSU.
        Inoke to OSU appears to be happening.

        https://247sports.com/Player/Ronnie-Audette-46037697

        • youngorst says:
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          Random was not what I meant. I agree it indicate Inoke may be headed west. Will be interesting see how Smith uses him in recruiting. Smith said he wants to lock down the west coast but Inoke would seem to have more midwest connections at this point so will Inoke recruit to that strength?

          I’m on board with both Inoke and this kid (may be 2 stars but he has needed size and you can’t coach size).

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Well crap.

          I thought it was a DT.

          Oh well. I guess we need more O-line with a different scheme.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            He’s listed as an OT and DT on most sites, including his own Hudl, if you’re hung up on position.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            We need playing depth on the D-line. I’ll take warm bodies at this point.

            We’re decent for talent on the O-line. He would just be developmental as an interior lineman in that group.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            I would imagine he was a PWO at Wisconsin. From a small town thirty miles out of the Twin Cities. He camped at MN and was not offered. We are desperate for DT’s at MN, so that is not a great sign. Offered by Navy so he must be pretty smart. The flip side is that there are always some outstate kids that go someplace else and turn out great.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I was going to suggest earlier that we might be too narrow in thought if KHJ, Inoke and Hazelton are all we’re thinking.

      There’s another week of football in a certain football league that plays for a real national championship, and both their coaches are excellent DCs.

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      We need OL more than DL, believe it or not. We would be best at 16-18 on OL and we currently have 13. We need to add 3 more OL in this class. Ideally we need 3 more DL, but can do with 2. This is based on roster numbers and what most teams do for depth. The OL is scary thin and the DL (may be lacking talent) is just thin on numbers. If we change to a 4-3 defense then the numbers will need some adjustment.

      We look to be signing at least 13 on the 20th, right now. That leaves about 9 more scholarship spots for the class to sign through February. If the makeup of the class does not change then 6 of the remaining 9 spots need to be OL and DL. It looks like we are going to have to reach on talent to get these numbers or let the depth be thin on OL and DL.

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        Center is certainly a position of need and an area where Jim Michalczik has a chance to prove his worth.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I agree on the numbers, but the usable talent on the OL means we don’t have to settle for incoming projects. DL is different… unless we’re going back to the Biley days when we would run OLBs out to play as undersized DEs. We need interior size first, development at DE instead of patchwork DL play second and talent third.

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          “We need interior size first, development at DE instead of patchwork DL play second and talent third.”

          And ATTITUDE ?

  • PdX says:
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    Machado hintingthe dc has been hired

  • Youngorst says:
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    Tim Tibesar Is latest rumor

    • ReverendBeav says:
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      Graduated from college with a 4.0 in economics. Smith appears to be hiring cerebral guys as his coordinators.

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        He might make a move. It came down to him and J Leonard to replace Wilcox as Wisconsin DC last season.

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          That would mean keeping a 3-4 and a six degrees of separation with GA since he coached under Aranda. He has coached up some very good OLB’s the last three years. Hopefully the system is close enough that there is not a huge learning curve for the players.

    • Crocker & Hall WR Duo says:
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      If Leavitt is Oregon DC, how does Oregon State not just make Heyward Co-DC? That is what he wants and now is only time to return him to the Beavs for good.

      OSU taking the conservative and limites creativity approach again it is shaping up like.
      Need Heyward for recruiting LA.

      More we are promised a new approach, the more seems to stay the same for thr internal workings of this organization. Staff needs more ace recruiters. Crocker is must get. Riley wants me cool with him taking a spot on staff for an active and hungry recruiter then deliver Crocker to Beaver Nation. We need him. Please don’t tell him to sleep on it like with Petras.

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        Smith doesn’t seem to be hiring recruiters. I think thats a mistake and believe recruiters should be the top qualification but Smith isn’t going that route. Heyward isn’t coming. That ship has sailed.

        I was on board with the Smith hire because I believed he would bring in a young staff full of high energy recruiters but sadly that doesn’t seem to be the case. Guess we will see how it works out.

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          “Smith doesn’t seem to be hiring recruiters”
          Doesn’t seem to be emphasizing diversity either.

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            Yeah, I noticed that as well.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            I think it a great hire. He will have a very large group of contacts from his previous coaching stops to select assistants from, if he is given the responsibility to do so. Agree they need some more melanin in the last few hires.

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            I personally don’t like the idea of passing off responsibility of position coaches to coordinators.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Leavitt staying at oregon

    https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/942593068124946433

  • ohiobeav says:
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    So Heyward and Salavea are still in play for Beavs? Bring in Inoke, Tibesar, Bray, Heyward, Salavea and start recruiting.

    Or what about Schiano at DC for a couple year run to get the foundation set?

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    https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Bolt/Sources-UW-Assistant-on-the-Move-112396627

    Says Inoke not coming to Corvallis

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    Fill me in.
    What did I miss?

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    I know nothing about this source, but couldn’t sleep (bum shoulder), so I thought I would post. They are saying Tim Tibesar as the next Beav DC.

    https://www.buildingthedam.com/2017/12/17/16789422/wisconsin-linebacker-coach-tim-tibesar-become-beavers-defensive-coordinator-oregon-state-trent-bray

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    I think this is a great hire. We are not going to out recruit our way out of this mess. There is going to have to be some schematic things to give us an edge. He has experience as a DC and as a high level position coach. This will be an aggressive, attacking D focused on sacks and turnovers.
    Perfect mix of experience, but not too old. The play of the OLB’s at Wisconsin the last few years has been stellar and they have been excellent at projecting kids to play LB that may have not played there in HS.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      Thanks for the insightful and positive comment. I wonder if he wouldn’t have waffled on Nall and put him at LB from the beginning Despite how good he was as a running back, I think LB is where his future would have been.

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        I continue to wonder what Nall would do with a decent quarterback and offensive line. Not to mention an OC calling decent plays.

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      I like the hire. Seems like defenses he’s been involved in were getting better and better. Love the fact that he has coached-up some NFL guys….the recruits need to see that.
      After watching BSU play Oregon with similar talent of the Beavs, and the how they mixed up their defensive schemes, I am convinced that our players have equal or greater than talent — the GA era coaches were really really bad — and actually down-coached them if anything.

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        I’m glad we’re coming around to realizing that our coordinators and their schemes were completely insufficient and didn’t match our culture. It’s why I was initially happy with 9’s hire. At least we got that back. Then we could compete in recruiting like normal P5 programs (and OSU when it tries) and develop teams who can play consistently with effot and catch lightning in a bottle every now and then.

        But no. The hire of Mike Riley was a re-embrace of the festina lente all the small-timers adhere to.

        So we’ll have to see if we can overcome that.

        At least we’ll have a couple years of some really good talent before we see recruiting misses lead to tales of rocks turning over… if we can get a QB. It wouldn’t surprise me if Luton looks like a completely different QB in 2018. That’s how bad our scheme was.

        I would want to fire me if I was responsible for those hires.

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          Thank you for teaching me a term I was not familiar with…you know, only have an OSU degree.

          Festina lente, good sir!

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          This looks like a good hire to me, a nice balance of experience and a desire to move up in responsibility; OSU needs coaches that are hungry to prove themselves and win, not financially fatted and content losers like Riley.

          Scheme – and fundamentals – before recruiting makes sense. The last staff showed that you can increase talent (and strength!) and decrease performance with lousy scheming and weak fundamentals. Over the longer term, as play improves, the coaching and systems would become more attractive to recruits if they see players in the program having both individual and team success.

          I also agree that Luton could look much improved next year with the right play calling (run emphasis) and the new offensive scheme and reads. INT-free games might be rare, but he’ll improve and likely be a serviceable back up if the UW transfer comes in. If he can learn to lead his receivers on crossing routes and throw it away when there’s nothing there he could cut down the INTs quite a bit. I see Riley’s influence as a negative here actually and hope Smith/Lindgren are the primary influences on QB development.

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    2015 LB Coach of the Year
    NFL Experience as LB coach
    2x Grey Cup CFL Champion as LB coach
    Success as ST coordinator at KSU
    Experience under Bill Snyder and Dave Aranda

    DC experience includes:
    2007 KSU (74th in YPG)
    2008 KSU (third worst in the country)
    2012 Purdue (70th in YPG)
    2017 Wisconsin (defensive run game coordinator; 1st in YPG)

    So a mixed bag in actual DC experience. He’s at least experienced success in person, so he knows what it looks like.

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    Confirms that Inoke turned down DC role. Tibesar get might explain why application window was extended.

    “I’m not going to apply (or I’m not ready), but I have this co-worker you should talk to.”

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2017/12/17/tim-tibesar-uw-outside-linebackers-coach-reportedly-set-run-oregon-state-defense/960165001/

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    Positives I see:

    Good coaching tree.

    We stay in the 3-4?

    Is a decent recruiter; has ties in parts of the country that we don’t have. He’s recruited an OL or two as well.

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      When he was the DC at Purdue apparently they ran a 4-3. We shall see.

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    My Gopher side is hoping it hurts the hated Badgers, yet they lose great D coaches seemingly every and they continue to play at a high level. The guy that got the DC gig with Wisconsin when Wilcox left has made some not so subtle hints that he will leave if the money is right. Perhaps Inoke is playing the long game with the hope of getting the DC gig if Leonard leaves. It has been a great pathway to a HC gig. Hate the Badgers, yet respect the machine Alvarez has built there.

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      How is Madison? No offense, but I don’t see how Wisconsin is attractive to people from a living standpoint. Agreed Alavarez has a great football program there, but living there? Granted I’m biased towards the NW….

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        It’s awesome.
        Especially game day.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          What Angry said. The coaches leaving is a factor of Alvarez not overpaying and figuring he can replace and keep things going. It’s worked so far. GA is the outlier.

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            I don’t know Andersen is the outlier. They won games with him and haven’t missed him a bit since he left. Was he overpayed? Probably. But he had a 9 and a 10 win season? Correct?

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            I mean leaving for money. Something else was in play.

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          especially in the summer and early fall on game day. The student union is located on Lake Mendota; great scene.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            As much as it pains me to say it, their Union is awesome. Beer hall in the lower level going out to a huge patio on Lake Mendota.

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    Damm Inoke told us to fuck off. . That hurts.. Tibesar seems like a decent rebound snatch though. ..

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Salavea staying at Oregon, per Fentress

    • Brewski says:
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      Bummer. Was hoping for a coaching coup that involved Heyward and Salavea coming to OSU and sending the _ucks further into the pit of misery.

  • youngorst says:
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    Not saying anyone we have hired isn’t a good coach but I am very underwhelmed by the staff Smith is putting together. Feels very Rileyesque…..

    I might be getting on board with the Riley has too much influence crowd.

    I get they need good teachers (and these guys might be) but OSU needs some ace recruiters and these guys do not seem to be that, not too mention the total lack of diversity amongst them.

    • angry angry says:
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      Agree, lack of diversity and seemingly no recruiting ability is concerning.

    • judge34 says:
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      i agree, we needed inoke or hayward, we will struggle to recruit big time with this coaching staff.

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      told ya! Up and comers in the coaching profession (Smith excepted, seemingly) know Riley is an anchor for any program he’s associated with. don’t want any part of it; even former Beavs. I think it’s very telling that very few ex Beav players now coaches are intrigued about coming back. They know Riley better than anyone.

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    For those who had trouble logging in, should be good now.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Couple of Hawaii coaches rumored to be coming to OSU, see twitter feed–>

  • beavers4life beavers4life says:
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    Reports coming out of Hawaii that these two coaches by Bob Lundeberg are coming to Oregon State:
    Hawaii DC Legi Suiaunoa will be DL coach and Hawaii WR coach, Kefense Hynson.

    I don’t get this hire based on their coaching trees here:
    http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=498

    and here: http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=500

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Kefense should coach defense.

      • calibeav says:
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        These both seem like just ok hires. Coming off a bad season at UH. Brings much needed diversity but UH boards are sniping on Kefense’s talent eval and they were happy to see Legi out:

        Some quotes and a vid:

        Now that he’s gone, I can say Kefense was a horrible elevator. So every time I heard fans hyping up his recruiting, I had to bite my tongue.

        I’m not surprised that Legi got picked up by OSU. He’s a good DL coach. He’s just not ready for prime time as a DC.

        It is interesting how the coaching carousel works in college FB. I never would thought that Legi and Kefense would be candidates for P5 programs after this year’s debacle at UH.

        https://youtu.be/4IbVDIqVYrE

    • Lancer says:
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      Both had prior stops at University of Montana, close to or around when Coach Smith was OC/QB there?

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