18.Oct.2014 Complex System for QBs and the Next Few Years

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I have brought this up in the past, but why such a complex offense for Oregon State QBs? Oregon State’s job is not to breed backup NFL Qbs. Yet that is exactly what they’re doing. Riley would be better off recruiting a great college QB rather than a mediocre backup NFL QB, and he would also be better off “dumbing down” the system so these QBs can have success their first year. I realize OSU is putting QBs into the NFL and that is something that a select group of fans are proud of, but that doesn’t win games on Saturdays, and those players have ultimately held clipboards on Sundays. So who exactly benefits from this system, and if the answer is no one, then why continue doing it?

If we look at the recent numbers, first year QBs under Riley do not fair well.

2005 Matt Moore: 2711 yards, 11 TD, 19 INT (Beavs Record: 5-6)
2007 Canfield/Moevao: 2537 yards, 11 TD, 21 INT (Beavs Record: 9-4)
2010 Ryan Katz: 2401 yards, 18 TD, 11 INT (Beavs Record 5-7)
2011 Sean Mannion: 3328, 16 TD, 18 INT (Beavs Record 3-9)

Average: 2744 yards, 14 TD, 17 INT

It’s not clear who the successor will be, but we know this: he hasn’t played meaningful time in any games, and likely will not the rest of the way given the competition only gets better.

As average as Mannion has been, he’s still better than next year’s rookie QB. We will see a big drop off next year at that position. Now considering all the other seniors leaving, it’s hard to have optimism. The year after looks pretty bleak, too. How does Riley survive these? And further, does he even want to? He looks shot. I could see him realizing the cupboard is bare and retiring after this season. Last night was a prototypical “cool the hot seat game”, which Riley usually does well in, and that usually brings the Pollys out of hibernation, but he wasn’t able to win it this time. Not the Pollys are even chirping a little.

Riley problem is an issue of desire/competition and genuinely not knowing how to make things better. He is a man out of ideas. OSU should offer him a different position for the same salary, then find a new coach. This would allow Riley to save face, collect his check, and everyone else to move forward. A few years ago I might have said demote Riley to OC, but after the past few years I don’t think he could even do that. Maybe give him Locey’s job and move Locey back on the field. Something like that has to happen, because if OSU wins a game or 2 next year things are going to blowup. This is next year’s schedule. How many wins do you see?

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  • helmsley says:
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    “I realize OSU is putting QBs into the NFL.” They aren’t exactly starring or starting and I don’t see evidence that they ever will be. Mannion doing well in the NFL is a very long shot. More significant, imo, are the OSU/NFL players – Cooks, Poyer, Wheaton, Paea, Lewis, Hekker, Browner, Jackson and whomever else I’ve not mentioned. I’d much rather see attention to them than all the QB nonsense. If a quarterback recruit is considering OSU because of qbs in the NFL, he’ll believe just about anything.

  • FireBDCNow says:
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    I see 3 or 4 wins. Weber St, San Jose St, Colorado and maybe @Cal. Thing is Riley could lose that opener to Weber St and especially if there isn’t enough tackling in camp.

    4 wins or less should 100% be a fireable offense and time to move on. Call it retirement or whatever but put a fork in it for sure. Man does BDC lick ass.

    • angry angry says:
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      Seems very optimistic to me. CO looked pretty good.

      I think Weber St and maybe San Jose St (these guys are decent every few years).

      The wildcard is probably Issac coming back and OSU moving to more of a ground attack. If that happens maybe they can win a few more games.

      • FireBDCNow says:
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        Weber St won’t pansy around like Riley almost always does. If our QB isn’t ready and if Chris Brown doesn’t get enough touches, Riley will embarrass this program for the upteenth time.

        Riley and BDC and Ed Ray should all take a hike if that happens. They are making a school with plenty to offer into a laughingstock. BDC as the best we can have at AD? ARE YOU FRICKIN’ KIDDING ME!!!!

    • IHateBunnies says:
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      I see at least three wins. Maybe more… maybe less.

      Man! Bunnies really suck!!!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    OT but more on the Yes means Yes law in CA:

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/10/fire-shreds-ezra-klein-and-denial-of-due-process-to-college-men/

    • angry angry says:
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      A copy of that bill should be placed inside the anal cavity of each of it’s authors daily, for life.

      Bullish for Oregon colleges, though.

      • steveEbeaver says:
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        Here’s a money quote from one of the proponents:

        “It gives the universities more incentive and pressure to find more evidence where there is none,” Yang said.

        Do they even know what they’re saying?

    • Jack says:
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      Sorry, but that’s not more of anything about anything except a bunch of bickering.

      And now you’ve risen to that level.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Maybe Riles could take a full-time position as Special Teams Coach…Bada-Bing! Just pulling yer leg, no one in their right mind would pay a full-time Special Teams coach, at least not one with such a glorious track record.

    So, um, gee, yeah, Riley as a glorified glad-hander sounds super neat. Could he pull that off without forgetting to take his hand out of his pocket? I guess that might be the down side.

    My thought on American Football remains, keep the offense simple; a ‘handful’ of plays run from a ‘handful’ of formations and executed well, is better/more effective that a ‘million’ plays from a ‘million’ formations and run poorly.

    And, while you may be able to recruit that elite QB with dreams of playing in the NFL by running a pro-style offense, looking like a fool because of an over-complicated script, poor supporting cast, or their own lack of ability, certainly won’t help those aspirations. Whereas a GOOD, smart QB that would love to play in the NFL but lacks prototypical size/arm/whatever may LOVE to play for a PAC-12 team, get a scholarship, be easier to land, be more effective.

  • Outcast says:
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    So much for the vaunted Husky defense.

  • Jack says:
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    This is just boring.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    So remember early in the preseason when people were lauding John Garrett for his approach amd high attention to detail? Does this team’s offense look at all like that has rubbed off?

    Is this guy just invisible? I hear nothing about him anymore other than what you guys post in here. Does he just get a free pass because it’s his first year and the training wheels haven’t come off yet? Also, wasnt he a tight ends coach in the NFL? If so, why does it feel our tight ends have regressed this year?

    • Jack says:
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      Hey! He was promoted because he got Marcelus Bennett to do well… wait… never mind.

      Didn’t we put him on “wait and see” status?

      • Jack says:
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        Oh… that’s right. He made Jason Witten into an All Pro TE.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        So how many years foes Garret get to learn the complex system? Is it around year 3 or 4 for offensive coordinators too?

  • Riley for Senate says:
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    I have been a fan of Riley. Loved the in n out thing. But sitting at the game Thursday night I couldn’t believe the last series. In 1972 at Mission Viejo High we only won 3 games, but we were a hell of a lot better at the 2 minute drill than the Beavers. I guess the teams identity is of slackers who can’t get back to the line and set up, and why does it take 20 seconds to say “hut”? All the platitudes about next years team or the team in 3 years or 6 years will still have the same group at the helm. Over the past couple of years have you noticed a pattern? Has there ever been a good 2 minute drill? Has there been consistent and surprising play calling? Has there been a strong effort to bring in quality talent at all phases of the game? Somewhere there should be a quote about insanity in this diatribe.

    • Jack says:
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      Or… you were wise not to include such a quote… as it may have been just the most annoying, incorrect and stupid “quote” there ever was.

      Why don’t we actually try and look like we’re intelligent around here. Angry has used an apropos idiom for this all before. Let’s stick with that one please.

      What we see now and will always see from Riley’s teams are Sisyphean efforts.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Yes, Riley for senate. Anything that removes him as head coach.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Totally agree about the complex pro style system being ludicrous, considering what is there to work with, year after year. Its not just that it takes a couple years of bad play for a QB to get it, it is that the supporting cast is often not up to it. If Riley could recruit for great O-line play,…and consistently recruit great receivers…then he might be justified in using a pro dropback qb system.

    And as to the actual quality of OSU QB’s, well…I guess Derek Anderson is the only one who was a starter for a while in the NFL. Moore was a UCLA recruit who wasnt getting playing time, as I recall, and transferred. The thing is, what REALLY good passing QB would want to work behind bad line play? …and with coaches who cant scheme for opponents, … or make half time adjustments….or even manage the clock as good as a 6-yr old could?

    We repeatedly ask why Riley an Co cant recruit 4-star talent — but it would be a pretty stupid 4-star who would want to play in such a system, and for such coaches.

    And so the Riley train grinds on and on … continuously passing only thru mediocre scenes. Its doomed to repeat what past years have shown, because that IS the system….

    We are stuck in a repeating time warp….

  • GoBeavs82 says:
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    I had the team at 4 wins this year and still hold to that prediction.

    I’ll predict a 3 win season next year, and i’ll still buy 4 season tickets, to the Seahawks.

  • mckalk says:
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    I sometimes wonder about this complex system from the point that true freshmen seem to do fine with a lot of other programs, but can’t seem to crack the line up at OSU. I’d hate to see what happens when the QB injury bug hits some season.

    • Jack says:
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      I don’t know about that. Riley’s best years are when we have a QB injury bug season. Maybe he simplifies the playbook in order to platoon his QBs, and that results in more efficient play?

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