19.Oct.2014 Mike Riley is 13-41 vs Top 25 teams

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Here is the link.

They list his record as 13-39, but that was before the USC and Utah games. 13-41 comes to a winning percentage of 24.

To be fair, there are some good coaches on that list with losing records. Bob Stoops stands out to me as having the most success versus good opponents. His record is impressive.

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  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT but look at this lead-off picture in the UO/UW gallery: the UO player appears to be hugging the UW defender….is this not holding? Maybe it was called, but this seems to be a tactic that UO uses consistently to spring players for those “amazing” runs….

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/#/0

    Regarding Stanford, while they’re not as good as they have been, next week, they’ll be more motivated than Riley, and they’ll still hit and tackle pretty well. Another toss-up game.

    Hope the sweet taste of the Colorado victory lingers a long time…

    • Jack says:
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      Why even bother anymore? Rules are fluid things to be applied when stuff is fluid… like when the other team has the ball. Ask a Duck fan how many pick plays they ran against Wazzu… and how many Wazzu ran against them. If they don’t answer with one-to one, they didn’t really watch the game.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      “…Another toss-up game…”

      As in upchuck?

    • Sad.Clown says:
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      That is Brenner, the backup center. This was towards the end or the game. Freeman scored, but it was called back because of this holding penalty. Do a little research before you ramble off about the rules not applying to the Ducks.

      • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        He said maybe it was called. It was more of a statement than a question. But you can’t expect good reading comprehension from a duck. Don’t you have to go “dress a duck” on the O Live website?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Riley could have retired withe a Pac winning record, now that is not going to happen. He”ll end up nearly 20 games under 500 by the time he finally realizes its time to go. The “Dean” of Pac coaches.

  • Jack says:
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    Are you kidding me?

    I can totally see what you’re doing here. You’re being negative for the sake of being negative. You’re looking at a glass that’s one-quarter full and telling us it’s half empty.

    You and your ilk just suck man.

    You just want to fire the coach. Let me ask you this. How many coaches would even consider the university and school… and podunk town of Corvallis… umm… for the same money… yeah… for the same money? I mean… the grass is always greener on the side of the road the chicken crossed to… to which the chicken crossed… the other side… whatever.

    Anyway, you ask too much of one person to coach kids to play a simple, boring game.

    • 74Beav says:
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      The trend is horrible the past 5+ years. A pathetic 3-21 vs. the Top 25 the past 5.5 years; 1-13 the past 3.5 years. We rarely beat good teams anymore. It would be “great” if we could win 24% of the games against the Top 25 instead of 7%!

      • scotty says:
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        At least we didn’t lose to Portland State. Hip hip hooray!

      • Jack says:
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        I’m too lazy to amend my sarcasm above. Just plug these numbers in and pretend I included them.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      Is this “bizarro Jack” again? This comments do not seem like “our” Jack.

      • Jack says:
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        I have to announce my sarcasm now. Apparently even that’s confusing.

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          You can sometimes be confusing, but nothing was more brain exploding as when the imposter was here and you were in a heated exchange with him!

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    After the game I noticed more vocal criticisms of Riley than I’ve ever heard before. Not quite passionately wanting him to go like I do, but I think we’re seeing the tipping point amongst some of the fans.

    • Jack says:
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      I just don’t see the point. It would take years of vocal frustration from too many people to make any mark. A game per year is what it’s worth. If there is frustration more than that to be had, it takes some special effort to make something so unimportant otherwise.

      Maybe we can point out the reality of the waste of our tax dollars. But the willfully ignorant will always have an excuse for that as well.

  • Mb says:
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    Bob Stoops? How about Bill Snyder? Look at the money and talent level at KS? How hard is it to recruit to Manhattan…Kansas? How about looking at models to follow rather than concentrating on personalities?

  • FireBDCNow says:
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    Yeah 24% which is very bad to begin with, won’t happen anymore. As stated above Riley is now trending below a 10% win ratio in these games. Also known as an above 90% LOSING ratio against ranked teams. The last 16 games against ranked he is batting 12.5% but with the sample expanded to the last 25 against ranked teams it is only about 7%.

    Now realize right around half of these are home games with home field advantage and Riley still is this god awful. The level of suck against ranked teams is so far beyond staggering.

    BDC needs to be let go after the season and Riley needs to take a long look at where this thing is headed in the next 2-3 years and if it isn’t best for the school to retire soon. Next couple years are gonna be an ugly brand of football on display. Might very well be best for OSU to hang it up in the offseason.

    With a good hire, fans would tolerate a rebuilding year or two and tge next guy might be much better at scouring the Juco ranks for talent and recruiting a vision that Oregon State can compete with the best of the Pac-12.

  • cj cj says:
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    The Beavs tanked it when they didn’t sign Erickson and let him go to Utah…

    • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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      Yep. But if anyone thinks Riley will go on his own, especially because Bobby D won’t change things, well you is craa-craa. There is a major good ol boy club going there. I’m actually sad for Riley. He really is a good guy that just thinks he still has the goods and doesn’t realize it is time to move on. I actually think he might be good in Bobby D’s spot although the good ol boy club would continue on.

      All I know is the novice football fan can now watch one of your games and see how poorly our guys perform… how slow (last 3 minutes of Thursday’s game), how predictable (throw on first play of the game), undisciplined, conditioning, etc. etc. Hey, but those balloon fights are fun.

    • FireBDCNow says:
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      Erickson as coach atleast would recruit higher and be able to finish Reser right as he would sell the vision. Riley unfortunately will see sub 40K at multiple games next year and really never has capitalized on any opportunity at any opportune time. Things are going noticeably downhill from here. Aging Riley keeps getting worse.

      • Jack says:
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        Fuck Erickson.

        He ditched OSU just like Riley ditched OSU. That kind of garbage should never be forgiven… well… should put that person in a class ineligible for rehire. I forgive them both and would never ever and never re-hire either.

        • Timber! says:
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          I can’t keep up with your contradictions and confusion.

          • mckalk mckalk says:
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            I’m not sure it’s Jack.

          • Jack says:
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            Golly gosh guys.

            I post one big sardonic post and I get everyone confused?

            That’s kinda neat.

          • Timber! says:
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            You care about F-ball or you wouldn’t be angry enough to F the previous F-ball coaches.

          • mckalk mckalk says:
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            Foosball is a fun sport.

          • Jack says:
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            I would do so for any coach or employee who ditches OSU for greener pastures. That person displays their integrity and loyalty through such actions. I don’t begrudge him or her finding a better fit or a higher paying opportunity. But I also would not find the time to rehire that person to the same position they ditched.

          • mckalk mckalk says:
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            “Sardonic” does not become you my friend!

          • LinusPauling says:
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            C’mon guys….Keep up!!

          • Timber! says:
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            © Neil Peart, Rush, Different Strings

          • Jack says:
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            Probably the weakest tune on that album.

            Is it not interesting that a band who has put out 30 albums still can’t top their original offering?

          • Timber! says:
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            I lost interest after Signals. What original offering are you speaking of? First album?

          • Jack says:
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            Yeah… it’s by far my favorite. Albums like Hemispheres and Moving Pictures are superior in terms of the technical instrumention. But the lyrics and some of Lee’s vocals are just annoying. If I could make them do it over, I’d have them go back to the original album in terms of style and composition but have the technical instrumentation that Peart added with Rutsey gone.

          • Timber! says:
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            I think Moving Pictures is masterful but a matter of taste. Seems like adding Peart to first album would clutter it as it’s a more Zeppelin style effort. Kind of like how he gets fill happy on Fly By Night.

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            Oh that tears it. The first Rush album is the best?! This is finally proof positive that you MUST be contrarian no matter how ridiculous. You are the only one on this planet with that opinion. To me I actually cringe when I hear any song from that album except Working Man which I can tolerate for about 48 seconds.
            Regardless, they are one of my all time favorite bands with Peart being the reason I became a drummer.

          • Jack says:
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            Took you a while.

  • FedUpBeav says:
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    Next 2 years will both be losing seasons if Riley stays. Next year 3 wins and only 4 if Riley gets out of his own way. (How often does he do that?) 2016 again likely a 4 win peak with an outside shot at 5.

    The dumb fans that think it is smart to keep Riley through thus totally inept effort against any teams of modest quality aren’t realizing that the DECAY process is already happening and isn’t reversing. You have to wait 3 years just for this program to have a decent shot at 6-6 again. Then what?

    By that time BDC will be in a wheelchair and need help holding a microphone and Riley is even furtger a dinosaur and then he potentially gets an extension if he reaches 6-6 in 2017 and Oregon State will not have addressed any of its problems and certainly as unappealing as this image us we will be 12th in recruiting in conference. So there us strong odds we go rught back to losing seasons in 2018 and 2019.

    The next 5 years is going to be a dreadful vision. Ed Ray doesn’t even like sports and BDC is grasping at straws himself so noone is getting ahead of this. Instead it is most likely that the diminishing fans will have to suffer through most of this quickly burgeoning mess and for OSU to suffer thorough embarassment before action is taken.

    Everthing weighed this offseason would be best to replace BDC. The new AD maybe gives Riley one more farewell year next year which could include a loss to Weber State. Hopefully after realuzing the Pac-12 has past us by and we can’t beat hardly anyone then that AD will do the humane thing and pull the plug on Riley.

    It is getting worse and the bulk of the next 5 years is likely to be that way. Time for OSU to cut the cord and reinvent itself under new leadership. Prolonging the 3rd ring of Purgatory isn’t good for anyone. Move forward.

    • Jack says:
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      See? That’s why it’s healthy to just forget it. You and I wouldn’t sway any mind if we had millions. Why pretend getting upset about it makes a difference?

      It is what it is. You can see what it is and it will be. Why get upset about it until someone in a position of power actually starts to care about it themselves?

      Sorry if I can’t get this giant angst boner for football. But the game is just boring anyway. And it’s even more boring since it’s become a lopsided score-fest with 200 plays over five hours. Holy cow that shit is boring as hell.

      Just forget about it. Watch it and smile like you know it already happened. There’s not much else you can do. It’s just as effective. And it’s more healthy.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Agreed. OSU’s football program gets less interesting every year. Its problems are obvious but allowed to perpetuate, then you throw in the bullshit bowl and/or playoff system that makes the whole context a sham, pile on too many tv timeouts…and what have you got? Time better spent doing something else.

        Riley had a chance to get to the Rose bowl when it still “felt” like a PAC-10 bowl, and fucked it away. It won’t come around again on his watch, and when OSU does get back to it, it won’t be the same bowl at all.

        I got just enough info Thursday night to think OSU was in it, but missed most of the game, including the OTs. I got a lot more done, checked in on this board to see what was happening, and found out the details the next day.

        Why care more than BDC or Riley? Why care at all? American viewers are not going to hold NCAA football to a higher standard, if anything, they buy into the disnEy SPorts faNtasy more every year.

        The most attractive part of it all is Riley’s incompetence, the institutional support thereof, and wondering when enough will be enough. What straw will finally break the boosters/BDC’s back? But I also have to participate the same process with other managers in the workplace, and its getting uninteresting there too. Just when I think the incompetence can’t possibly be tolerated one more year, it is. Football was supposed to be an entertaining diversion, not an example of the same problems.

    • Nak says:
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      Gotta hand it to Ray for improving academic and athletic facilities, the billion dollar campaign for OSU, pushing for enrollment to reach 30K and so on but I’ve always had a problem with him attending home openers at the Horseshoe instead of being at Reser. What kind of message does that send!? Hey, I get you went to tOSU and you desperately want to go back there someday but be loyal to the institution that you lead and may even help you back to Columbus.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I disagree Erickson is the solution. The guy got lazy several years ago and I wouldn’t bring him back at Riley’s salary.

    OSU needs a highly motivated coach that is willing to emphasize discipline, fundamentals, clean execution, and won’t accept the b.s. notion that you can’t recruit to Corvallis. Give them a 6-8 year contract with a reasonable buyout clause, allow the staff adequate time to produce with their own recruits. Plan for a couple of 3-4 win seasons, and really evaluate where the program is going in year 5-6, a contract negotiation year.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      The coach needs to be “hungry,” a description that fits neither Riley nor Erickson…

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Charlie Weis and Mark Mangino literally fit the bill.

      • helmsley says:
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        As though I’m on the committee – suggesting Beau Baldwin, Eastern Washington. I know, it would be a step up in the level of competition – oh, wait a minute – and a Vernon Adams doesn’t come along every day, although he’s out with an injury and the back-up quarterback is winning.

        • scotty says:
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          Careful with the EWU hires… Paul Wulff coached there 2000-2007!

    • FireBDCNow says:
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      Riley wouldn’t have lasted 2 seasons at USC which was never going to happen as the fans there were clear they didn’t want him. They like killer instinct at SC and Riley does not have it and if he had an ounce or two back then he has none now.

      It would have been tenfold better had Riley gone anywhere back around 2009. Erickson would have come cheap then and at a time when 5 or 6 years through 2015 would have worked and we would be better

      Look at Booker. Erickson still can recruit that workhorse back and understands a good run game can win alot of games. He has no issue with dual threat QBs and believes some added running ability is much more important than slightly prettier balls in the air but statuesque in the pocket and limited escape ability.

      Now, you are correct that OSU needs to go in a new direction. Find a younger coach not older than 46 if you can. I prefer a 5-6 year deal. There will always be chances to add a year or two but keep that buyout option reasonable if the hire isn’t quite right. There are good coaches out there though and you can’t do much better than a Pac-12 gig so OSU will find interested parties happy to have the chance to get the program reinvigorated again.

  • Nak says:
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    Maybe it’s just me but I don’t get the folks that say – “I’m not saying fire Riley but some major changes have to be made…” What the eff does that mean? You could hire some really talented coordinators but with Riley as HC they’d be hog tied to say the least. You can’t be half pregnant on this stuff. Hire someone like Baldwin, possibly the football version of Tinkle and change the culture. I’ll say this, Tinks has yet to win one game at OSU but I feel infinitely better about our chances with him at the helm and his ability to improve the hoops program than I ever have about Riley and the football program. Quit making excuses!

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    4 of the top 5 in the SEC west. What a fucking joke

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11728057/sec-first-conference-put-four-top-five-ap-top-25-poll

  • Rileysucks says:
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    When can we move on from this Riley garbage. He can’t beat any teams ranked in the Top 40 and hasn’t for awhile.

    Move the heck on. What is needed is a Fire DeCareless rally so a proper AD can start lining up our future coach. This is the Pac-12. If you aren’t getting better you are very rapidly irrelevant. But in thus league you do what it takes to stay in the mix of whats happening. When you have completely stagnated and gave some piss worthy seasons coming up you release your coach and find a man ready to lead.

    BDC’s approach wouldn’t even come close to being tolerated in the MWC or FCS schools. What the hell is wrong with this fanbase that we have to drag out changes way too late and put up with this ineptitude?

    14 years and nothing too good and it is going to only get worse. BDC and Riley are not doing anything to adjust and the declining trend is obvious. Make the changes!

  • angry angry says:
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    Jordan Poyer with a huge muff. Might get him cut.

  • Numbers says:
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    I noticed Mike Leach has nearly an identical record.

  • G Joubert says:
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    I’ve reached the point. Riley’s coaching apex was the 2006 bowl game against Missouri. That was the program’s peak too. The facade of competitiveness was held together for a few more years largely to the thanks of the Rogers brothers, but now the bareness of the cupboard cannot be concealed. I can see that clearly now, so, I agree, it’s time to make a change. The question is with who, as many have discussed. As a beaver fan since the 1967 Giant Killer year, let me say: choose wisely. The consequences of choosing badly at the critical point they are now at can last decades. Do we even want DeCarolis making this decision? I’ve reached the same point here that I did with Craig Robinson: They both have to go.

    • Timber! says:
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      We do not want Bob DeCarolis anywhere near that DeCision, No.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      The fear of consequences can’t be continued to allow the prevention of decision making. It needs to be viewed as an opportunity to get better as opposed to a fear of returning to the worse.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    I think Riley is hoping Garrett is head coach material, so he can retire and not have the “family” be let go and scattered to the wind.

    If that’s the case he better hurry the Fuck up before they all get the axe.

  • wannabeav says:
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    A few stray comments.

    Steve Preece is a hypocrite. On the pregame show last Thursday he made a strong point of telling Ron Callan that this was a “must win” game for the Beavs. Yes, he averred, Utah was ranked, but from the schedule they had played you couldn’t tell how good they really were and besides, this was a game the Beavs “had to have.” In the post game suck-up with Riley he not only threw some BP balls he did Riley’s work for him telling him it was a game effort by the Beavs and they had acquited themselves well against “a highly ranked team.” Thus, a circumstance (Utah’s ranking) that before the game is besides the point after the game is an excuse. This would be disgraceful journalism if, in fact, that post game interview he does for the Beaver sports network was true journalism. I don’t think that most people realize that Riley is paid to show up for that exclusive interview which is among the reasons that Preece takes such an obsequious attitude toward the questioning. All part of the BDC/Riley “photon shield” to protect the program against critical thinking, which is, dare I add, the hallmark of this site.

    We talk a lot about low IQ football here (Andrews false start being one of the more recent examples) but Beaver fandom can be pretty low-brow itself. Like starting the “O” “S” “U” chant alternating between sections on a critical offensive sequence for the Beavs.

    Anyone else notice that on third down the PA announcer has taken to calling out on third down “it’s time for Beaver nation . . . .” to rally the team at the chain saw prompt. In the good old days, circa
    1999-1006, most of the fans were already standing and certainly didn’t need a cheap prompt from the announcer to cheer. Just goes to show how fan enthusiasm has been worn away by this regime.

    About which (and in conclusion): my wife is a Duck fan and in most years would just go to one game a year, alternating between the Civil War and the UW game. She’s gone to most of them this year with me and last Thursday I had a minor revelation and a moment of envy. She was rooting for the Beavs, politely if not enthusiastically, and would get upset with my negativity about false starts, clock management–you know, the usual stuff. The epiphany was that as a Duck fan she has become acculturated to good things happening, even in dire circumstances. A jaded beaver fan like myself, of course, as someone said above, has seen it all before and can almost predict the negative course of events. I have to say though, confusing what down it is was breaking new ground for this crew.

    • G Joubert says:
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      Gotta expect Preece to be a homer. He’s one of the few long-term faces of the program.

    • Timber! says:
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      I had to look up 3 words…averred, obsequious and acculturated. I got the tone from the context but thanks for the vocab lesson!

      • Jack says:
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        Really?

        Again… really?

        • Timber! says:
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          Your superior tone is off-putting. But this board is full of that familiar tone.

          • LinusPauling says:
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            Timber,

            Jack is the second greatest mind ever to come out of OSU! Please do not chastise him. His tone is superior because HE is superior. Now please kindly genuflect and be happy that he wastes his cerebral energy on this website instead of solving scientific mysteries.

            LP

          • Timber! says:
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            Looking up genuflect.

          • Timber! says:
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            lol

          • Jack says:
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            I have… sorry… half to wonder… why do we need to look up words we should totally know by the time we graduate from high school.

          • Jack says:
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            ?

          • Timber! says:
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            I’m looking up “high”

          • Timber! says:
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            grandiose.

          • Jack says:
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            circumlocution

  • WFO WFO says:
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    http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2014/10/st_louis_rams_punter_johnny_he.html

    Hekker with a pass to seal it vs. Seachickens.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Just like Bruce Read taught him! And some say Read is a waste of $ and O2, sheesh!

  • TP Beavs says:
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    Oh son of a bitch. Here we go again, another week that will be a lose-lose no matter how we do in the game. If we win, then that’s because Stanford sucks. If we lose, than, well, we lose yet another god damn game, further destroying Mannions legacy. His stache may have already sealed it.

    What I don’t get is that we kicked Katz to the curb for Mannion, because he was supposed to be super awesome. Well, after 4 years of no running game and always being behind, he does have a lot of yards.

    However, he also has a lot of interceptions, and a shit ton of sacks. He is no where near any qb rating or TD records, and he has provided exactly zero wins over any team worth a shit.

    It’s time we bench the porn stache pick thrower, and put in somebody with a god damn future.

    • Jack says:
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      Wow.

      I guess it takes a Duck to write a post so friggin’ obvious that it hasn’t been repeated on this very site for six years.

      And he wonders how I know he’s a Duck.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Injury report from the Utah game

    Starting split end Richard Mullaney’s elbow injury is serious enough that Riley said, “We’ll be lucky if we get him back before the end of the year.”

    Additionally, an injury to Gavin Andrews originally diagnosed as a sprained ankle was revealed to be a hairline fracture after the Utah game. He will miss 2-4 weeks, with Dustin Stanton sliding in as a starting tackle. (Andrews sucks so no big loss there imo)

    Also, third tight end Kellen Clute is expected to miss about a month with a knee injury. Post-graduate transfer Jacob Wark will move up the depth chart at that position.

    And there you have it folks. With another physical defense coming this weekend against Stanford. Going to be the walking wounded with no more byes the rest of the season. There’s more Riley bullshit quotes in there if you want to read it,

    Linky………………

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/10/mike_riley_post-utah_starting.html#incart_m-rpt-1

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      Utah beat the shit out of the Beavs, especially in the first half.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Eggers actually calls out Riley on the fourth quarter 3rd and 2 fiasco and the continuing clock management issues, suggests letting the Sr. QB call plays in red ball time. Says nothing, however, about the possibility that Riley is slow to make the playcall.

    BTW, anyone have an idea of just what the Beavs practice during those oft mentioned red ball sessions??

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/237472-102606-beavers-shuffle-personnel-due-to-injuries-look-for-mental-toughness-vs-stanford-

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    “Competed like crazy” is another Riley cliche that he uses frequently. Isn’t being competitive kind of the minimum expectation at this level?

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Sad… not even projected for the Cactus bowl… projected for the NO bowl:

    College Football Playoff: Oregon
    Fiesta Bowl: Arizona
    Valero Alamo Bowl: Utah
    National University Holiday Bowl: Arizona State
    San Francisco Bowl: USC
    Hyundai Sun Bowl: UCLA
    Royal Purple Las Vegas Bowl: Stanford
    Cactus Bowl: Washington
    Heart of Dallas Bowl*: Cal
    * at large

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      I only see 1 win, maybe 2 wins tops left on our schedule; WSU, Cal or Washington.

    • helmsley says:
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      Good – Not for the players, but for the coaching staff. Perhaps it will inspire Riley to follow through on his good manners and gracefully depart.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’m going to be doing a back and forth with the Stanford blogger this year. Any questions for him about Stanford?

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      Is Hogan really the best qb on the roster?

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      Best place to tailgate before the game? Any Beaver-friendly tailgates? Any Beaver-friendly Beavers?

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        Hey. JTB, Stanford provides acres of beautiful tailgating area. They open up the intramural soccer fields cose to the stadium and provide ample bathroom facilities in a little grove of trees. Its off the main street into the stadium across from the high school. Hit google earth for birds eye view and orientation. After your tailgate its a short half mile or so to the stadium

        This begs the question of why you would want to subject yourself to this game. I think the team is on the verge of calling it a season. I don’t see much passion on behalf of players or coaches. JB

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          Like GW Bush, I don’t do nuances, so I am seriously asking if there are porta-pots or rest rooms situated in the grove of trees or do the trees themselves “provide ample bathroom facilities?” Stanford is not exactly Humboldt State.

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            There are nice public potties in the tennis facilities just to the west of the stadium. Across the road from the area described by BPH. The athletic facilities and the whole campus are spectacular.

    • Riley Sucks says:
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      How is the Oregon State football program perceived by the Stanford program and/or the Stanford fan base?

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        A: We have no fan base, but if we did they would have no opinion of you. We are too busy with start-ups to waste time on such things. Did your school invent the frozen burrito?

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      Tell him to give a thank you shout out to the person in their fan base responsible for the greatest fan sign in the history of sports:

      http://www.gamedayr.com/lifestyle/fans/stanford-tailgate-wine-and-cheese-photo-87561/attachment/stanford-cardinal-college-gameday-sign-against-oregon-ducks/

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Q: Who are the two most irrelevant, uninteresting football teams in the Pac-12?

      A: OSU, UC.

      Q: How many Stanford fans will show?

      Q: Who should OSU hire to coach it’s football team?

  • TP Beavs says:
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    Do the Stanford fans and team see this as a “get right” game?

    Individual or unit matchups to watch?

    Can we borrow their defense for the Civil War this year?

    Will David Shaw last the season?

    What’s the mood like in Palo Alto coming into a game unranked for the first time?

    Who is the best RB on their roster?

    What’s wrong with Hogan?

    How many people think your mascot is a bird, and are confused by the googly-eyed focus mascot?

    Stanford has generally been a door mat in football over the past 30 seasons, where do you see this program in 4 years?

    Would you guys like to hire a new AD or football coach? We may have some available at a discount in coming weeks.

  • Jack says:
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    So much angst… so little reason….

    It/s just a boring sport I would have no reason to watch if not for my emotional tie the team I watch. And now even that tie is just dumb. I’ll watch the NFL because it’s borne of parity. I might be able to see a good game… unless I’m watching the Niners… apparently.

    When I watch college football and see a whole bunch of players making mistakes and just generally sucking… the game is just a generally sucking event. I don’t care if team A is better than team B. I care that it’s a game.

    And that’s about it. If I don’t care about a simple, boring game… why should anyone?

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      Read option is boring, I’ll give you that. I never watched an ounce of college growing up, never went to a single football game when I was at OSU. (’85–’89). Was a basketball nut. The Orange Express is still my true OSU passion. To say football is boring though? OK, that’s fine. I think golf is horrendously boring. In fact, I don’t think it’s a sport. There’s no running, no contact. Yes skill beyond measure. But they’re wearing slacks. Some people think baseball is boring. It’s the most fascinating game of them all.

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        Football in itself isn’t really boring. But to pretend any game where tons of mistakes are made by both sides, and is still a blowout, is anywhere close to objectively good… that’s just silly. At least in the NFL there are professionals doing the right things and just plain being beaten by others who do their right things better. Watching kids play at a much lesser level, even if some of them (maybe) will one day play professionally, doesn’t exactly scream “exciting.”

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      I think astronomy and quilting are boring and spend no time on their associated websites. Wonder why you spend so much time here waxing eloquent on a topic that you find boring?

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Anyone wishing Riley leaves/gets canned while BDC is still the AD should be careful because it could backfire. Bob will hire someone on the cheap, and I’d give that budget coach about a 20% probability of being more successful than Riley.

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      I think Riley quits before he’s gets fired. BDC doesn’t have the stones to pull that off. Too many Pollyannas would revolt.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Breaking revelation: Kerry Eggers is on the Joe Beaver Show, and according to him, OC John Garrett was doing the play calling on Thursday, NOT Mike Riley. What do we make of this development if it’s true?

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Like I was saying yesterday, how much time do we allow our OC to learn the “complex offense” if it takes a college quarterback 2+ years. And if he doesn’t have it understood by now, why is he calling the plays, especially in a game that the Beavs have a chance at winning if they limit mistakes?

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        In my opinion, Garrett should be calling the plays, Riley’s play calling has been horrendous. Case in point: Langsdorf called the Oregon and Boise State games last year. What was the difference?

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      Without being able to identify a clear motive, I call b.s. Why Garrett why now? Why reveal after?

    • Rileysucks says:
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      More excuses from the inner proton shield. Riley-BDC-Eggers all wiping eachothers fannies to try to protect as things spiral downhill. Don’t know by how much but I know Riley will lose to Stanford who isn’t even ranked. The bigger man will win when it comes down to the critical stretches and critical plays. That won’t be Riley and won’t be for consecutive years coming up.

      Enjoy getting bent over if he is lucky enough to reach 6-6. He will have beaten no one in the Top 60 but gets a bonus and a totally undeserved and crippling extension that prevents reasonable and healthy options until it gets worse and there is further outrage and thousands less showing up to home games. We are headed down that path but how ugly will it have to get for Ed Ray to replace BDC or tell him to do his job and replace Riley? Pretty darn ugly.

      We’ll see how this unravels cause Riley us not getting it done with “I thought we competed”. What is funny about that line is it often is the accumulation of more than a handful of dumb Riley decisions that wastes his players effort being equal to the opponents and occasionally a small fraction better but us still almost always losing. Gobs of false starts and continuing to put up with them don’t do any help either. The whole organization by Riley is just too haphazard and for awhile he has consistently been about as unclutch as they come when games gets iffy.

      The odds favor 6-6 more than 5-7 but Riley may just find a way to collapse hard. Cal and WSU are willing to help Riley find the basement if he doesn’t decide he is better than that.

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        False starts deserve to fall back on the coach to a good amount but in the realm of 100% within Riley’s control, how many times vs Stanford will Riley stand there arms folded with that shit-eating grin while Read and him continue to allow multiple runouts from the endzone?

        Margin for errors is not huge and every time he sits there smacking gum while we lose 8 or more yards and make Mannion that more deer in the headlights will quickly add up and make it highly probable Riley finds yet another way to lose.

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      Thats really bad news if true.. The play calling Thursday was probably the worst we have seen in YEARS and that is saying a lot

  • alex says:
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    Riley is always so coy about playcalling responsibilities. Don’t think we’ll ever truly know who’s calling plays any given week.

    Shared irresponsibility so no one external to the program will be able to place blame on any dismal performance.

    Though, prior to the final “what’s a 2 minute drill?” drive debacle, I didn’t have a problem with the playcalling. Thought it was much better than what we’ve been seeing. Pretty good run/pass ratio, and it was effective.

    • scotty says:
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      Two Minute Drill: Where OSU takes two minutes between plays to try to hurry down the field. Each play usually consists of QB trying to get signals from the sideline, a false start and/or delay-of-game penalty, plus general chaos and panic.

      • Jack says:
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        Hey… those false starts and delays give us more time to get a call in.

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        I thought the two minute drill meant taking two minutes between plays! 😉

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          Exactly, that’s why the penalties are so crucial to the whole scheme! Delay of game is like trading 5 yards for a free time-out. Score!

          (er, no score actually)

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Question for the masses. Read an article over the weekend that Wisconsin-Whitewater coach became the fastest to reach 100 wins (106 games) last weekend. I know it’s D-3 but anyone know more about him? Think he could cut it at the D-1 level? What kind of offense do they run? Or anyone know anything about Mount Union’s coaching staff? I’m trying to lower myself to BDC standards so that’s why I’m looking at lower divisions

  • Timber! says:
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    Cars – Allow us to gesture/attempt things we’d never gesture/attempt face to face.

    Message boards – Allow us to say things we’d never say face to face.

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    Beavs 13.5 pt dogs to Tree. I think Wilner has it right when he says it, “only makes sense if 1) you haven’t watched the teams play the past three years and 2) you assume Stanford’s offense will have its way with the Beavers.” and, “If either team has the game in hand with 10 minutes left, I’d be surprised.”

    If Bray and Moevao can keep the players from throwing in the towel, this could be the one old(er) Beavs point to as why nice guy Riley isn’t so bad. And a big factor in that next contract extension!

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2014/10/20/stanford-football-grading-the-week-54/#more-37403

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      Does Stanford have enough offense to lead by 13.5 at any point in this game? I guess their defense could score, but I’d be tempted to take the points here

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        Take the over. If the beavs cannot run or throw, well, we all know what Riley will do. Which will lead to turnovers. And Stanford points. Vegas isn’t dumb either.

        • StarcraftSquall says:
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          Is 13.5 the point spread or the over/under? Just sayin.

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            Stanford -13.5. they will win and cover. This will be much like the USC game where the beavs D tires in the 2nd half.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OK, for the talent evaluators out there, and just for the sake of the “popular argument” that Riley does more with less, how many players on this team:

    Make the roster with a scholarship on a top 25 team; and
    Start for a top 25 team?

    Grimble obviously based on the past. I think a few offensive lineman could make it, Isaac being the obvious one. Mannion maybe as 2nd string. Ward? No, he didn’t get any offers, correct? Woods? Doubt it. Nelson? yes. Hunt? yes. Strong? Should. Caleb Smith? Probably. Anderson, Ortiz? No. Murphy/Zimmerman don’t impress. Doctor and Alexander, very probable. Who then?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      So maybe 10-20 players make the two deep of Top 25 teams…and a coach who can’t manage time, over emphasizes complexity and under emphasizes fundamentals, goes into very questionable play-calling funks, is a very questionable talent evaluator, and who’s too stubborn to change when something is clearly wrong, can only beat a Top 25 team about 1 time in 4.

      That’s pretty good, must be exceeding BDCs expectations…

      OSU recipe: Win a pre-season game or two, beat a few unranked teams, upset ranked teams once in a while, get to 6 victories every other year, extend contract, maintain underdog “we-don’t-really-belong-here-but-we-bring-our-lunchpail-and-hope-to-get-an-upset” mentality and call it a program.

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        Beavs are 1-13 in past 14 games vs Top 25, so winning 1 in 4 would be fantastic!

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    I’d say the following dudes (in no order) make the 2 deep of most Top 25 programs right now:

    – Hamlett ( who we don’t use properly)
    – Smith ( who we don’t use properly)
    – Isaac
    – Mannion
    – Storm
    – Nelson
    – Murphy
    – DJ Alexander
    – Grimble

    Guys like Jarmon, Strong, Bolden, Maggeo and Hunt are fringe and maybe a year or two away.

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    Storm, Terron, Ricky, Hamlett, Smith, Isaac, Grimble, Wynn, Doc, Alexander, Nelson, Murphy, Mannion make 2 deep of most top 25. I’d say there’s like 40-50 guys who make the roster on a top team. Receivers and O-line is pretty dearth with quality. Receivers look like they’ll be good in a year’s time or more, but that O-line? Geez. Next year we only get about 4 of those guys back (Storm, Isaac, Grimble, Ortiz).

    Jarmon, Strong, Bolden, Villamin, Mageo, Hunt, Nall, the CB Williams, Dockery are 2 deep top 25 material next year or maybe the year after.

    This also makes me wonder why they burned Hawkins’ redshirt. Man what a waste.

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      Actually I take that back, maybe 30-35 get a scholly. Because there’s guys who are freshmen who I think are very good and got offers (Nall) but guys who play who would be questionable (Scott, Noland-Lewis).

  • Riley Sucks says:
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    I was at the Utah game last Thursday and while watching I got the impression Mannion was to blame for the ineffective passing attack. He seemed to be zeroing in on specific routes/players (surprise surprise) and slow to make reads and throw the ball. To verify, I re-watched parts of the game on TV last night and what I saw supported my impression.On several plays he held the ball for almost 4 seconds – that’s ridiculously long. And he was clearly ignoring open receivers (sometimes multiple receivers) to focus on one route. Unbelievable.

    Actually it’s not unbelievable. Mannion is significantly overrated. Huge stats against bad teams + undeserved hype about his ability from the Oregon media got me to buy in on his ability. Not anymore though. To win, Mannion needs to be less superstar and more game manager. And shave the fucking stache.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      He was really zeroing in on specific receivers in the USC game, too.

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      My brother was invited to observe player group meetings at his alma mater (former OSU opponent). In the group meeting of coach and wide receivers, the coach explained the system was modeled on pro offenses where receivers get to the line and then must read the coverage before determining the route. They have 3-4 options each. The qb must read the defense in the same way and all receivers must be on the same page with the qb in order for the qb to know who is going where. Imagine trying to process this when you get to the line of scrimmage with 8 seconds left. Funny thing about the player group meeting, coach would show pictures of coverage and asked receivers to raise hands to confirm pattern assignments Receivers were afraid to raise hands in meeting to suggest patterns to be run. If receivers are unsure, how is the qb going to know where they will be? Getting to the line late changes everything and negates most advantages that the pro system brings to the table. I think that the” lock on” of Mannion may be related to trying to process too much information in too short of time.

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        This is not how the pro style offense works at Oregon State… We rarely run routes that are appropriate for coverages… Hence we do not own a slant pattern in our entire route tree which is a blitz and press coverage beater..

        The only slight slant variation I can ever recall being ran or completed was Cooks @ UCLA when he ran right towards me in the end zone 🙂

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VF5SyM6QfY

        If OSU does have option routes they appear to be of the out or go deep variety hence the multiple long overthrows to Mullaney et al. Their route tree lacks diverse options. That is the main reason why the passing game has been struggling so much this year minus a dominant receiver like Cooks, Wheaton, Rodgers.. The scheme just isn’t good enough.

        • Riley Sucks says:
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          Wow, play action to a short slant in the middle. What a novel idea. Beavs used to use play action on a regular basis – 1st and 10, 2nd and medium, 3rd and short. Now on 3rd and short we go shotgun and 5 wide. I’ve seen better play calling by the Madden computer.

    • Bill says:
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      Seems like a trust thing. If I guy has brick hands and is open, do you throw it to him?

      Mannion has to loosen up a bit and go gunslinger mode (Like DA in his senior year). He’s got nothing to lose.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Relax, Pensyl is going to be ok and the immobile-pocket-passer future is as secure as the present.

    And for PettiBoneHead, who loves the semi-inflated helmet at Reser stadium, here’s a view of emerging from it:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2014/10/james_pensyl_oregon_state_qb_c.htm

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      So we can pencil him in as the stater in 2019?

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      That inflato-helmet is dumb. What is this…Chuck-e-cheese meets football?

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        It’s our identity……….along with chainsaw noises. First class all the way.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Always thought the chainsaw sounded like a sick cow

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            The chainsaw is classic guys! I agree on most things here, but disagree with you on the chainsaw.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Quote of the day from Garrett

    “”We all need to play better. We need to coach better. Sean needs to read it flawlessly all the time, get the ball to the right person all the time. The line needs to protect. The receivers need to get open. It’s just a simple answer to executing the system the way we’re supposed to. And if everybody does that, we usually have successful plays.” — Garrett on the passing game’s struggles”

    “Also, water is wet”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/10/oregon_state_beavers_practice_22.html#incart_river

    • angry angry says:
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      Another clueless Riley crony.

      He’s asked the wrong questions, which is why he’s allowed these dumb answers. A good question would be WHY is the system so complex to begin with, to the point players can’t execute it flawlessly. You’d think you’d only complicate a system once you execute the basics flawlessly.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        The system works great when every starter on offense is a senior, and the Beavs are playing a bad team.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        Why is almost always never a good question, especially when it comes to human behavior and choices. There are hundreds of answers to the question of why, and they only lead to a giant circle.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          That’s deep man. Cool.

          • angry angry says:
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            He’d get a ton of teen girls with that attitude, though.

          • benbeaver benbeaver says:
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            I just saw this, but that’s kind of an odd thing to say. I have years of experience dealing with human behavior. Trust me that asking ‘why’ gets you nowhere.

      • Calibeav says:
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        Dude.. Seriously what looks complex about our system to anyone??!!!! I think the notion that Riley has this complex pro style system is a HUGE overstatement and another ploy for him to buy time each year…

        We don’t do anything complex..We run the same tired ass plays and tired ass routes game after game..If anything our offense seems more simple than ever before.. What happened to that post corner pass that Jordan Bishop used to get open on every-time? They never run that play or route anymore all the stagger routes are gone..we haven’t run a single bubble screen read pass this year etc..

        There isnt anything overly complex about this offense.

  • Beavers4life Beavers4life says:
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    I could be totally wrong and off my rocker for thinking this, but is it possible that Riley is trying to keep under 500 each season to illiminate the buyout, keep osu relevant and also set up the team for future success? Riley isn’t the same coach he was in 1997-1998…he’s making things more complex and not working to simplify things. Also, he doesn’t know how to really recruit top talent because he’s never been able to do it so it’s possible he’s either given up on trying to, or he’s hiring others to try and do the leg work and he just has to “seal the Deal” with each recruit…that doesn’t work on top recruits. Top recruits want to see/speak to head coaches not assistants. Plus, top recruits aren’t stupid, they are winning programs and osu is not on their radar…that’s the problem.

    • G Joubert says:
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      Riley recruited most of the team that went 11-1 under Erickson, and took it to Notre Dame in the 2001 Fiesta Bowl, did he not?

      • Jack says:
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        He did not in terms of who was playing on the two-deep. In fact, Pettibone had more on the two-deep than did Riley.

      • angry angry says:
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        Do you have facts to support that? I remember in 2007ish there was an article saying otherwise.
        Riley supporters seem to have made up that rumor. Either way, if he could recruit Fiesta Bowl talent 15 years ago and required a different coach to get to them to that game, that does us no good today.

    • Nak says:
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      No way. Riley isn’t that imaginative. He’ll let the program rot before he voluntarily retires. BDC is the same and should have retired when he announced that he had Parkinson’s. Some folks were saying on Blitz that he could hardly walk the other day and has to have constant support from an aide yet he’s hoping for an extension to his current contract. This isn’t “I want to finish what I started moment” for either of them. It’s more in the realm of selfish pride not allowing them to admit that they’re in way over their heads.

      For the record, I have as friend with Parkinson’s and it’s truly a dillipating and tragic disease. I am obviously not a fan of BDC the AD but only wish him and his family the best in this fight.

    • scotty says:
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      Huh?!

      *preps a straitjacket*

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