23.Oct.2014 GoMightyCard Blogger Q&A

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Taken from your questions, which were:

  1. How is the Oregon State football program perceived by the Stanford program and/or the Stanford fan base?
  2. How many Stanford fans will show?
  3. Who should OSU hire to coach it’s football team?
  4. Do the Stanford fans and team see this as a “get right” game?
  5. Individual or unit matchups to watch?
  6. Can we borrow their defense for the Civil War this year?
  7. Will David Shaw last the season?
  8. What’s the mood like in Palo Alto coming into a game unranked for the first time?
  9. Who is the best RB on their roster?
  10. What’s wrong with Hogan?
  11. How many people think your mascot is a bird, and are confused by the googly-eyed focus mascot?
  12. Stanford has generally been a door mat in football over the past 30 seasons, where do you see this program in 4 years?
  13. Would you guys like to hire a new AD or football coach? We may have some available at a discount in coming weeks.
  14. Best place to tailgate before the game? Any Beaver-friendly tailgates? Any Beaver-friendly Beavers?

Here are the responses:

1. If you’ve been paying attention to how the Stanford season has been going, you can probably guess that fans are concerned about pretty much everything and anything. Even when the Cardinal has been at its best, the Beavers seem to give us trouble. Yes, Andrew Luck led Stanford to wins over the Beavers during his last two seasons by a combined score of 76-13, but the games in each of the past two years were both close as the Cardinal won by 3 in 2012 and by 8 in 2013. As for me personally, I still worry that Jacquizz Rodgers might have a secret extra year of eligibility and could line up for the Beavers on Saturday.

2. That’s funny. I’ve never gotten this question before. Okay, here’s the thing. Yes, there was a time when Stanford couldn’t fill its stadium, but every game has been sold out stretching back a few years. Yes, there were a lot of empty seats for the last home game two weeks ago against Washington State, but that was because the Pac-12 foolishly insisted on scheduling the game at 6:00 on a Friday night. This Saturday is Reunion Weekend on the Farm, so it will be packed.

3. Let’s see. There are an awful lot of interesting characters in the Pac-12 right now — Mike Leach, Rich Rodriguez, Sonny Dykes — but I think we need more. Here’s my wish list for the Beavers:

• Lane Kiffin. Sure, he’s a headcase, but the boy can certainly recruit and coach. He’s trending up. Get him quickly.

• Brady Hoke. Obviously trending down, but he’d be fun.

• Mike Bellotti. You think this would add some fire to the Civil War?

4. It’s been pretty surprising to read the various reactions to the Arizona State loss. It’s amazing how quickly people get used to winning. This is more than just a “get right” game, it’s a must-win. A loss here would be devastating, and I don’t mean that as a slight to Oregon State at all. David Shaw has never endured a two-game losing streak in his career, and if he were to lose a second-straight game here, the fan base would implode. The problem isn’t just that we lost to Arizona State, it’s that we were obliterated by Arizona State. Prior to that game, the Cardinal hadn’t lost a game by more than one score since losing to Oregon by 23 late in the 2011 season. Shaw took the blame for the loss when he spoke at his press conference on Tuesday morning, and he mentioned the need to make some changes on offense. It will interesting, to say the least.

5. Without question, the unit to watch will be Stanford’s offensive line. For the past five or six years, the offensive line has been the best line in the conference and one of the best units in all the nation, but that hasn’t been the case this year. There were high hopes entering the season, as all five starters are members of the Cardinal’s historic offensive line haul of 2012, but their inexperience has crippled them. Left tackle Andrus Peat is the only member of the line with starting experience (he started all 14 games in 2013), but the rest of the linemen have seemed nervous and overwhelmed at times. I say this every week, but the offensive line is the heart of the Stanford offense. We’ll see what happens.

A close second would be the defensive line which was dominant through the first half of the season but is now dealing with some injuries. The line will likely be without two of its three starters (Aziz Shittu is definitely out, and David Parry is doubtful), and the situation was so dire last week that they burned a redshirt and gave some nose tackle reps to a 250-pound true freshman, Harrison Phillips. Stanford’s defensive strength started with the defensive front, so it will be interesting to see what things look like this weekend.

6. I am not at liberty to loan out players, especially not the entire defense, but you’re welcome to watch the Stanford defense shut down the Oregon Ducks on November 1st.

7. Barring some type of scandal, there’s no way David Shaw can be fired. He’s sitting on a significant amount of equity — two straight Pac-12 championships, three straight BCS appearances, three straight wins over Cal. There have been some grumblings about his conservative style, and many blame him for the Cardinal’s current struggles, but he’s still the best man for the job. No question. Unless things turn around before the end of the season, however, I think we can expect to see some changes on staff, starting with the offensive coordinator.

8. Skip.

9. Good question. Stanford went into the season with the idea of having a running-back-by-committee, and that’s exactly what’s happened. The top three backs are Remound Wright, Barry Sanders, and Kelsey Young, and recently Young has slipped to third place, leaving Wright and Sanders to split most of the carries. I think the biggest problem with the Stanford running backs is that there’s no one on the roster who can match the size and speed of the guys we’re used to seeing in the position — Toby Gerhart, Stepfan Taylor, and Tyler Gaffney. Also, because there’s no lead back, neither Wright nor Sanders has been able to get into any kind of rhythm. The best example of this came against Washington State, when Sanders opened as the starter and gained 50 yards on his first two carries, but then had only six more carries the rest of the game. Finally, here’s the most telling stat — no Stanford back has gone over the century mark since the Pac-12 championship game last season, a span of eight games.

10. Hogan’s weaknesses have been well documented. He locks on to his primary receiver and never runs through a progression. His passes often float like wounded ducks. He’s good for at least one or two delay of game penalties per game. There’s a lot wrong with Kevin Hogan, but not all of it is his fault. David Shaw expects his quarterback to have a thorough knowledge of a playbook that is probably the most demanding in college football. Three plays are called in the huddle, and Hogan is expected to stand at the line and determine the one play that will best take advantage of what the defense is giving. Andrew Luck was able to do this, but Kevin Hogan is not Andrew Luck. Few quarterbacks are. I think the coaches are asking too much of him, and I think they’re also ignoring his strengths. When Hogan first began playing situationally during his redshirt freshman season, he had only a handful of plays, and they all took advantage of his mobility. In his first three games, he ran the ball seven times while passing only once. As he has developed as a starter, however, the coaches have tried to protect him by limiting his running opportunities, and this has been a mistake. Hogan’s single best play is the read-option, a play that should be called at least ten times a game. Instead we see it once or twice if we’re lucky. If I could change one thing about this offense, it would be to free Kevin Hogan to be Kevin Hogan.

11. As prominent as Stanford has been on the national scene for the past four years, it’s surprising how often I hear announcers and analysts refer to the team as the Cardinals, plural. At this point I honestly think it’s actually just a slip of the tongue. People know that Stanford is the Cardinal, and that that has nothing to do with any bird.

12. There’s been a lot of talk about this recently amongst the fans in my circle as people wonder if the current struggles are temporary or an indicator that the program is taking a step or two back. The Cardinal had been ranked in the top 25 of every AP poll since the 2010, which says a lot about how consistently great the team has been, but it’s nearly impossible to maintain that level. The good news, though, is that the talent on the roster it still improving each year. The 2014 recruiting class, for example, is arguably the most talented group of incoming freshman ever to arrive at Stanford. That talent will keep the program afloat for years.

13. Skip.

14. I don’t think you’ll find any of us who are Beaver-friendly. We’re much more partial to birds and other woodland creatures who are willing to live in peace with Trees.

Check out http://www.gomightycard.com/ in a half hour, as I will be posting my response to his questions.

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  • Jack says:
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    #11…

    We should clear this one up. The “Cardinal” mascot is actually just a color. The only tree which can be referred to as a cardinal is a K-Aronszajn tree. I’ve heard rumors that the band made the tree the unofficial mascot over something like a french fry. But it’s the color that is officially the mascot.

    #14…

    We posit that the sacrifice of some trees to create order in an otherwise wild ecosystem is necessary to save all the other trees downstream. You’re welcome.

  • Outcast says:
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    I’ll put on green and yellow and go root for the Ducks, become Rosie O’Donnell’s personal sex slave AND get a sex change operation before I’ll root for a team with Lane Kiffen as the coach.

    A tad hyperbolic, perhaps, but that’s what I think of his coaching suggestions in response to #3. 😛

    • Jack says:
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      True… and not hyperbole.

      But I would simply stop rooting for my alma mater until everyone responsible for making such an egregious decision was gone. In fact, I would probably change my handle to FireBDCnow.

      • Jack says:
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        Heh heh… he also called wunderkind a great recruiter AND coach.

        Sorry… no.

  • Outcast says:
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    I notice his description of Hogan in #10 is similar to the views on Mannion so far this year (minus the bit about him needing to run more read option)

    • Jack says:
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      It would be funny if JC didn’t trip over Bledsoe’s leg I guess. I don’t know, but I’m thinking staying upright after tripping pretty much looks like that.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    His answer to #14 was very funny. Props.

  • Hopefulaintaplan says:
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    What about a Jim Tressel return to the sideline. Ohio State was a decent team underneath his coaching and I do like the power football and defense that he coached. I think that it could have some success in the PAC-12.

    let’s get some big bubbas.

    Very disappointed with Garrett up to this point. I actually think that the play calling and execution are worse than I expected this year, and my expectations were low with very limited WR experience and the fact that OSU won’t turn the run game over to Ward as a 3 down back.

    • angry angry says:
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      They should have given Brennan the OC job. He can’t be worse than Garrett, if Garrett is in fact calling plays. With OSU everything is a mystery. They probably do this so you don’t know which guy’s head to call for when things get ugly.

      • Bill says:
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        If Garrett was looking to parlay this into a way to get back into the NFL, it has not worked out.

        There should not have been much expectations from him anyways. He had never been a coordinator before nor was he an up and coming coach.

  • Riley Sucks says:
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    I haven’t read the post yet – will do that next. But first wanted to share something I found interesting from this OLive article about Tinkle’s press conference at P12 Media day.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/10/at_pac-12_media_day_wayne_tink.html

    Quote from Tinkle when asked about relationship with Scott Rueck.

    “But fundamentally I believe we have some of the same philosophies. Roll up your sleeves, outwork your opponent, be very honest and up front with your values and your vision when you’re recruiting. Really, there’s no tricks. The way we did at Montana, you know, some of you may know about the coaching tree. You do things the same way. Do it the right way, don’t cut corners. It’s the same philosophy that Scott has, Pat Casey with the baseball program.”

    It’s interesting that Tinkle references Rueck and Casey as coaches that value similar philosophies as him. Who is very clearly omitted? Riley. Was the omission purposeful? I find it very interesting that he included Casey and omitted Riley. It makes total sense to me – Riley does not value details or outworking opponents – but surprised Tinkle did not throw in Riley’s name just out of courtesy.

    I’m liking this guy more every day.

    • Jack says:
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      He didn’t omit Riley. The Groanian did that.

    • Rileysucks says:
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      He omitted him cause ….Riley Sucks.

      Did you notice the Stanford blogger essentially acknowledged he definitely thinks Oregon State should replace Riley so that OSU can get a nationally interesting coach like most of the Pac-12 programs who have made new hires have been able to? This confirms what very many believe that perception wise your average fan anywhere in the country, including plenty of intelligent ones, think Riley is a declining and now well below average coach whom OSU should replace. It is only the talking heads who feel sorry he can’t win enough games anymore that try to talk him up.

      The BDC contract is a nightmare and it only ends when Riley steps down or BDC is canned for his incompetence or the wheels fall off even more and discontent gets so high a decision to buyout Riley is made. No way is it good for OSU to have Riley for anything more than 2 more years if we are at the bottom few teams in the Pac-12 or worse which even right now we are ranked 9th out of 12 by odds of final conference record. Sh*t is getting ugly and looks like it will get even uglier. We don’t deserve this crap.

      If more losses mount Riley should go and BDC too. Just like with Tinkle we can upgrade both these spots without much problem through being coveted Pac-12 positions alone. If you make a HC change in a year where there are no other or no more than 1 other Pac-12 opening than we have an excellent chance to make a strong hire. That will be the case after this and probably next year.

      After that there could be more coaching changes as at 99% of P5 schools you only get so much time and if it is clear you are trending the wrong way, schools wisely reboot before experiencing a horrible period and the serious consequences as a program. Only BDC doesn’t care about the damage that is already happening and close to getting very bad for OSU football. Ne needs to go and Riley too unless Riley very quickly starts winning alot more games against decent to better teams. Don’t see hum doing that. Both are well into their declines and Oregon State cannot afford to go along on this death ride. It’s time to cut our losses.

      • Jack says:
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        I think you might like to write sentences which don’t run on run on to what I don’t know but running on is something where to which heretofore I don’t also know.

        Huh?

    • helmsley says:
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      I liked the Krystkowiak question. If Mike Montgomery was still coaching at Cal, there would be 3 coaches in the Pac-12 who had been head coaches at the U of Montana. I’m not reading anything into that – just a mention. Also, MM didn’t have such a bad year at Cal, but knew when to retire (I don’t think he was forced out, but maybe) – Mike Riley, take note.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    yeah Riley pays attention to details alright. They only had 3 false starts last game instead of 4.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Riley focuses on the two minute drill, so ya gotta cut some slack for the false starts………sure.

  • Nak says:
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    Tinks did mention Riley in the presser but no specifics so basically a courtesy.

    I’ve become a big fan of Rueck, no excuses and has recruited and performed well just like Casey. The “it can’t be done in Corn Valley” is and has always been a crutch for losers.

    One thing I really like about Tinks is that he really seems engaged to the school and the athletic department. Actually goes to football and baseball games and it wouldn’t surprise me if he continues to do so in the future. Great way to recruit support. Coach walks the walk.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    So with today being media day the Pac-12 released how it was voted who will win the conference and finish where. Arizona picked to win the Pac-12 and duh, OSU picked last. Ducks picked 8th and you would not believe how many moronic duck fans chimed in thinking it was football related. Not only the most obnoxious bandwagon fanbase, but also THE dumbest…………………….

    https://www.facebook.com/Pac12Conference/photos/a.429660611800.183664.62986931800/10152472766361801/?type=1

    • Jack says:
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      I would put money down that we have a better chance to win the conference than we do to come in 12th. And I think we have a smidge of a chance to win it all only because we haven’t played yet. A logical pick would be somewhere in the 7-10 range. We have similar talent to Cal and UW but not as much depth. ASU, Nikegon and especially Wazzu and USC are not as good on paper.

  • Bill says:
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    Out of curiosity due to the many delay of game calls, I watched how the plays were relayed into the game and why it took so long to get to the next play. Moevao is the play call signaler if anyone wanted to know.

    Generally it took them about 10 sec to get the play call in. Only Mannion was looking. Then he went into the huddle and called the play. Broke the huddle usually around 25 seconds to go. The main reason I saw them go slow is the players themselves, were slow to line up. There was no sense of urgency at any point in the game, including the last drive vs Utah. Only a couple plays did they line up quickly using no huddle. But still it took 10 seconds or so to signal in the play and for Mannion to let everyone know what the play is. I would think they would have under 2 min plays that they can call quickly. Defenses will likely be in a generic coverage.

    Out of all this I have settled on a some reasons why it’s taking so long and leading to delay of game penalties. Pretty much all of this is on Mannion.
    1. Mannion could save a second or two if he stood closer to the huddle.
    2. Mannion should push the team to line up faster. Only when the offense gets set does the defense get into their formation. It limits Mannion’s time to read the defense.
    3. Mannion takes quite a bit of time to read the defense. He might even be telegraphing that a pass play is coming by taking more time.

    Mannion can help himself out here by pushing his team to get set faster. He can then read the defense and audible while there is still time.

    • Jack says:
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      I think Mannion should just be told to call the plays himself.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Mannion is a great kid, but right now they need him to be a-hole to the players screwing up constantly.
      I realize it won’t happen. No leaders on the O side of the ball. MR should let him run the two minute drill himself……………………it couldn’t be worse.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Oh God. Jack and I agree on something. Guess this means the Ebola thing is the apocalypse.

        • Jack says:
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          … In Texas… one can only hope.

          • Jack says:
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            And UND will win it all this year.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Nope. Goph’s men and women. Both currently #1 and will be at the end of the year.

          • Jack says:
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            Not gonna happen.

          • Jack says:
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            I will say that Union’s O looks good so far. And BU looks nice too.

            At least we can both revel in Wiscy starting 0-4-0.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Always a good thing. Last year was supposed to be their year.

          • Jack says:
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            Oh… and DU might have something going this year.

          • Jack says:
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            Minnie has what… a measly five national championships? It’s gonna stay that way for at least another year. UND will get #8.

      • scotty says:
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        Mannion is the prime example of a QB taking on the mentality of the coach. Good likeable guy, does all the “right” things, you root for him, but hardly exhibits any fire. No greatness, just goodness.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Great thread Angry, thanks for taking time to put this up. Enjoyed it in the past and this time follows suit.
    Looking forward to seeing your responses, just checked and they aren’t up yet.

    Very interesting to learn that Stanford calls three plays in the huddle, seems more reliable than what I understand the Beavs do (which is, expect both the QB and all receivers to make the same read at the LOS).

  • Riley Sucks says:
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    What Mannion does is based on the coaching he receives. If Riley and Garrett felt it was important to go faster they would coach him to do so.

    In situation’s where the offense should be moving quickly, I regularly see Riley standing on the sidelines with his arms folded doing nothing. Is this bad coaching? Apathy? Is he sleeping with his eyes open? Does he think it’s not possible to move any faster? I don’t know the answer. But even the fans in the stands know when the team should be moving faster. At one point or another during the PSU, SDSU, and Utah home games fans were yelling for the offense to move faster and appeared to be more aware of the game clock and play clock than the players or coaches on the field. At these points in the games you can hear the noise in the stands get louder as the stadium yells for the team to hurry. Of course it never helps and the time on the clock always goes to waste.

    How is this acceptable?

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Spot on, and again I say, “what is involved in those ‘red ball’ practice sessions we hear about?”

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Someone actually got paid to print these lies about Oregon State fans. We should all be outraged…if we could muster up the energy to give a shit.

    http://fansided.com/2014/10/05/10-schools-best-fans-college-football/5/

    • Jack says:
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      Honestly, we’re good. We’re not awesome from the tailgate to the gate. But that’s the decision of the AD and where they put people. But once you get inside you’re not gonna be shit on. And the fans do respond in an intelligent way to what’s happening on the field despite reports to the contrary. There are the “down in front” sections. But you’re going to find that just about anywhere nowadays. I would only worry if I was a drunk, and the nazi-poo would come after me. But I don’t like drinking then being in a crowd (other than the wine festival in Newport). It just kinda bothers me.

      Still… I think you’re correct to say we’re not deserving of a top ten anything for football… or any other sport besides gymnastics. Like it or not, on-field product pushes fandom and fan passion.

    • Calibeav03 says:
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      I used to write for Fan Sided ..So Believe me when I say…no one got paid….

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Hey…. the Pollyannas rule. And thats why Riley isnt gone until he retires. Shaw built anti firing cred by going BCS last 3 yrs … Riley built it up by going >500 (most of the time) for endless years. He would have to go 3-9 for a few years in a row to bring the Polyannas down … and even then it might not work. Injuries, complex system, cant hire to Corvallis, ….yada yada….

      • Jack says:
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        I want to disagree, but I can’t. Hell, eight straight 3-9 seasons aren’t 28 straight losing seasons. So I think he’s good for a while.

      • helmsley says:
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        Riley is the ruler. I don’t think he’ll quit/retire until he thinks he’s gone out on a decent, if not high note, and he knows the powers that be won’t interfere. The nice guy thing comes with an ego and awareness that he is calling the shots.

      • FireBDCNow says:
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        Screw that. If Riley goes 6-6 only or worse for a 2nd straight season and things appear they will get worse and mist likely result in losing seasons with no or next to no actual wins over the upper half of the Pac-12 then we must cut bait. That losers attitude is for lesser and not P5 conferences. In power conferences you do what it takes to be trending up. Riley is so obviously in a clear downtrend and when that occurs you replace. Only more true when you are doing so poorly after 14+ years to build it. Riley is not even close to competing vs any decent competition. His record is worse against OK teams than when he utterly failed at San Diego and they couldn’t stand his losing ways.

        • Jack says:
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          When have we played teams from Oklahoma?

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Hey… I want Riley gone, too. Just sayin he is set up to stay indefinitely unless he really screws up. I think Jack has it…. comes a really good fortune year, OSU gets to a decent bowl, and he might call it a career. I also think he waited too long, and wont get such fortune.

          • angry angry says:
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            He’ll retire. He can’t take the criticism now, and it will only get worse the next few years. His health will take priority and his wife will force him to retire.

  • Rileysucks says:
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    I’m liking ECU’s style of play. Great can-do attitude. Love that they have pulled off multiple consecutive upsets over the higher Power 5 conferences including in road games. In that sense the very opposite of Riley who consecutively lost home openers to FCS powderpuffs even when favored by 4 touchdowns.

  • FireBDCNow says:
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    Here is a list of potential head coaches. Baylor’s OC or Oregon’s OC Scott Frost would both be infinitely more capable than the severely declining Riley and with what the next few years have in store.

    These two could both reinvent Oregon State into a modern, uptempo, and scoring machine offense and both would also easily outrecruit Riley for better athletes. Both hungry upcomers who have proven to run top offenses. Get a good DC to join and OSU would be a scary opponent again and more than capable of beating Helfrich.

    http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/9/28/6856785/kansas-football-coaching-search-charlie-weis

    • Jack says:
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      Do you vary your posts at all?

      Baylor’s OC? You respect him enough to call him Baylor’s OC?

      Really?

      What do you expect Baylor’s OC to do once he becomes the head coach of Former Baylor’s OC?

      Scott Frost… I would giggle if I had the energy, but Baylor’s OC just took it out of me.

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        For the record, Montgomery has been coaching with Briles since football was invented. And their O-line coach, Clements, has been with Briles for longer. Throw in Briles’ son and son-in-law, and that rounds out the O-coaching group for Baylor. That’s why I find it funny that you didn’t even respect what you yourself write enough to follow up on this stuff.

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    35-7 furd

    because I had a dream about it and I want to be psychic more than I want the beavs to win

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      That’s a cool objective. I totally hate your dream, but I wish you luck in your psychic development.

  • Jack says:
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    Blogging with the enemy is up this morning:
    http://www.gomightycard.com/

  • Jack says:
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    Well… we got this going for us:
    https://twitter.com/ATSstats/status/525674332089896963

  • Jack says:
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    WAY OT… I know you guys and gals won’t be as excited as I am about this. But this could be huge. I love love love this idea.
    http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/sbo/2014/10/wood-solutions-fairoregon-best-wants-to-create-a.html

    I can’t imagine the Dillard plant will be left behind on something like this. I don’t know if the Rosboro plant in Springfield can be tooled for such, and it’s a shame the laminate plant burned there over the summer. I use a ton (well… many many tons) of ply out of these plants, and I’m amazed many others don’t do the same. The material costs are about 120% the cheapo chip board and concrete lap when you apply the battens. But the look is a thousand times better, and the labor knocks the installation down to about 85% the cost the other highly marketed products when all is accounted.

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      Yeah, there’s only one type of wood I can get really excited about.

      • Jack says:
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        Yeah… I can see how 10’x60’x18″ might make you shy away.

    • mb says:
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      Thanks for tip.

    • ukhunter says:
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      The plywood plant that burned last summer is owned by Th Swanson Group. Rosboro already has a state-of-the-art laminated beam plant

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    BeaverBill linked this at the end of the last thread. It’s mostly goofy stuff. But his account in the last answer is just dead on. I think he should be the one to give pressers from now on.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/10/qa_with_oregon_state_beavers_d_1.html

  • angry angry says:
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    Hank put up my responses this morning: http://www.gomightycard.com/2014/10/blogging-with-the-enemy-oregon-state-beavers.html

    • Outcast says:
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      Care to explain your OSU QB rankings? I feel you have Smith and Moevao too high and Canfield too low.

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        I think I agree at least about Smith. He was under 60% in a run-heavy offense even with two future All-Pros as wideouts. If Cooks made Mannion, why would Smith get a pass for the one season he had both Johnson and Whosyourmomma?

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          Because Mannion had Cooks and still accomplished very little in comparison to Smith. Smith came up big when we needed him the most. I feel that if you put Mannion in some of the situations Smith was in the outcome would be different, even with the Fiesta Bowl roster.

          “Thee are thee kinds of lies; lies, dammed lies, and statistics.”

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            Yeah, Smith sure came up big during his senior season, leading an Oregon State roster that still had a fair amount of talent on it to a 5-6 record.

            Giving him WAY too much credit for the Fiesta Bowl year.

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            Im not saying Smith put the team on his back, but he came up big when we needed him to. Can’t say id have similar feeling about Mannion if he were in the same situation.

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            I don’t see that. I remember Smith very well. He threw a lot of uff da passes and ducks. He was a gamer, a leader and a decent game manager. But he still only produced moderate gains with two all-world receivers.

          • e. says:
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            How would you rank the past OSU QBs?

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            That’s hard to answer without picking seasons. But overall I would say (beyond Baker… he was completely correct about #1) DA followed by Moore, Mannion, Smith, Wilhelm, Canfield and Moevao..

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            Correct me if im wrong, but didn’t you just knock Smith for being a sub 60% completion percentage, having a legit running game, and high quality WR to throw to? I believe DA threw at 50% over three years, was handing the ball off to Jackson for two of those, and had Hass to throw to. Those two Insight.com bowls were sure huge for the program though….

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            Yes, but DA was positive. He had one receiver and a running game which disappeared as time passed. With the running game DE imposed, DA could have been a lot better. But Riley’s plan does not set up the QB to be the best he can be. He has shown (even in the DA days) that the run is secondary to him being clever… and us losing. Even DA wasn’t smart enough to shrug off dumb play-calls and do the right thing. I thought Mannion would be given that flexibility this year. Many delays and false starts tell me otherwise.

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            QBs that have been starters for at least a season since the Fiesta Bowl year, if we’re going by their best seasons and not necessarily their entire college football careers:

            1) Moore
            2) Canfield
            3) Smith
            4) Mannion
            5) Anderson
            6) Moevao
            7) Katz

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            Baker, Moore (smart, effective mobility, good arm strength, catchable ball), Smith, Anderson, Mannion. Canfield/Wilhelm toss up – similar athletes, different systems and times.

  • angry angry says:
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    Jack, are you up for writing a basketball season preview type piece? I know there is a lot more interest this year, and frankly I haven’t followed it closely (though I, too, am interested to see what WT does).

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      I’ll put words in type. I’m not going to analyze the pre-schedule much. But I do want to address the perceived dearth of talent versus the reality of what we have on the team at this moment. I’m a little disturbed that WT plays into this, but I understand from the point of view that he’s been fed this and what outsiders project. Why not keep the expectations low?

      Still, if fundamental ball is what he preaches and professes, then we have players who will do his bidding in a season of zero expectations. So much is made of LMW being the only returning starter and the highest scoring returner at 4 ppg. But nothing is made of how the team was structured and what led to LMW only getting a couple touches per game. If Berto and Cooke take up all the minutes and shots, why do we think players who are just as capable but more team oriented can’t fill in when a supposedly better coach comes in and directs them?

      It just burns me that everyone wants to take a self-centered CR team and dismiss the players left over who didn’t or were never given the opportunity to be that way. LMW, Malcolm, Daniel and even Cheikh were not given the minutes to make last year a success. Isn’t that why CR is gone? I know Robbins and Olaf are question marks. But isn’t that why CR is gone?

      It’s absolutely silly that Enfield and Kent get passes at Wazzu and USC for what they have on paper. They’re rated low, but we should not be below them. We wouldn’t be if CR was still the coach. Martin at Cal has a tough row to hoe. I don’t care what Altman does. That team is a shambles (who can still sting if only because Young is that good). And I have zero clue why Sendek is still employed.

      I’ll break down the players’ strengths and weaknesses on paper. I’d be surprised to find that we were any less a threat on offense given past performance versus talent on hand being D-oriented. And I will bet my own house that we will be a far far superior defensive team over what we’ve seen in the past 20 years. And I’m not talking about limiting possessions so the score remains low kind of D. I’m talking real D which leads to transitions and all around fun.

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        The only interest is going to be before the season. Once the season starts, it’ll go away after a couple ugly games.

        The only way to compete is to keep the games in the 50s or 60s. Can’t run with teams with 7 or 8 walk ons.

        I do think that LMW and Duvivier can combine to average around 30 points a game. Where the rest will come from is a big question mark. I can’t imagine we’ll see anyone step up out of nowhere ala David Lucas.

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          Don’t sell the team short. Match-ups will dictate scoring. Where one guy has a 30 point outburst, he may only have five or six on most other nights… leading to his eight-or-so scoring average. It’s not about individuals scoring. And it’s sure as hell not keeping other teams in the 50’s or 60’s. That was fine for the HS talent we had when CR took over. We have real talent on this team right now who were never given a fair shake because project talent was given all the shakes.

          That ends now. These kids were and are now good players who will show sooner than later that they deserve to play on this level. But you did touch on one thing. Depth will be an issue. Practice needs to be competitive as well. That’s another consideration.

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            Is there anyone who can bring the ball up the court reliably? Maybe Payton but that’s not really his game.

            Some guys I’ve wondered why they’ve floundered here. Reid, Robbins and LMW were rated pretty high coming out of high school.

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            LMW had Berto taking up all the time. But he showed last year that he could drop double digits in a matter of minutes.

            Malcolm has a solid handle. He had the best handle on the team last year by far. GP2 should make that two handles. But I can see after last year how anyone might think we have no handle on the team with Berto and Hallice getting all the back court time.

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    Good job. Angry. You kept it super real.

    I see the game being just a bit closer..

    24-17 Furd…

    Its a shame one of my best friends she went to Law School at Stanford so the past few year this had been an exciting weekend for us. This year its pretty much meh.. Both teams in that blah state.

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    20-6 Stanford. No touchdowns for the Beavs and poor field position keeps Romaine from being much of a weapon.

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      I also think this Will be a bounce back game for Stanford. Theyve been hearing all week that their season is over, yet they can still win the pac 12 north and ultimately the pac 12. I trust Stanford to bounce back at home more tham I trust OSU to bounce back in any setting.

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      If Utah gets Automatic Andy, we get Reliable Romaine.

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    Angry, I disagree with a few of your assessments. In particular, the RBs.

    I think Woods is clearly our best RB at this point. Brown may have a higher ceiling but he’s not there yet. Throw out last year- that concussion made him tentative and slow, but this year has been a completely different story. I might have agreed with your assessment coming into the season, but his play this year has re-written the narrative.

    From what I’ve seen this year, I would put more on Woods (~70% of touches) and Ward and Brown should be in open competition for the backup spot. They should both get at least a few non-garbage touches per game to assess performance.

    Also why Ward as a 3rd down back?? Is he that much better at blocking than Woods? Because he’s slower and doesn’t hold a candle to him in receiving and YAC ability. At this point he’s a classic vet at this point- reliable and experienced, but a significant talent drop from the other two.

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    I think Stanford is overrated, and this game should be close.

    Stanford seems particularly vulnerable right now, especially given that two of Stanford’s best d-linemen (DT David Parry and DE Aziz Shittu) are out this week with injuries. OSU’s defense should be able to contain Kevin Hogan and the rest of Stanford’s sputtering offense if the OSU offense and special teams can just avoid turnovers and an excessive number of 3-and-outs.

    Meanwhile, with Ward and Woods both limited by injuries, Chris Brown should get more of a chance this week, and I expect CB to perform very well. I also expect a better game from Mannion and the young WRs, who have been putting in extra time after each practice to get in sync, and all of whom have something to prove (especially Mannion).

    The absence of Parry and Shittu — along with the emergence of Chris Brown — should give Mannion more time to throw. Assuming a roughly equal number of turnovers and big plays by each team, I like OSU’s chances of pulling the upset here.

    Beavs win, 19-17.

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      Agree with your points. Additionally, I’m wondering (hoping really) if Shaw tries to install enough new wrinkles in his O that players begin to overthink their assignments. Seems this could happen if Shaw wants to try to solidify some changes before the game against the ucks in a week.

      While there is likely to be some ugly ball, I think Angry is gonna get his money’s worth just watching line play and both defensive secondaries. I say this in view of the price of gas going down and him not paying for a place to stay!

      EDIT: On second thought, I’m not sure I agree with expecting the WR’s to have a better game because of extra practice time which may be more than offset by Stanford’s DB’s. But, I do think Ortiz and maybe Tyler will have an increased impact.

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        “On second thought, I’m not sure I agree with expecting the WR’s to have a better game because of extra practice time which may be more than offset by Stanford’s DB’s. But, I do think Ortiz and maybe Tyler will have an increased impact.”

        Mullaney is too slow to stretch the field vertically (as Mullaney has proven time and again on unsuccessful fly patterns this season. Villamin is an upgrade as far as that goes. In fact, I think the combination of Villamin, Jarmon, and Bolden (plus Rahmel Dockery) can do quite a bit of damage. I also like Jacob Wark more than Clute, especially as a receiver. Hope these guys step up tomorrow. If they do, and if Mannion can play with more poise than he showed last year against Stanford, I like our chances.

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      Woods, Ward, allegedly “explosive” in practice (OLive). Be interesting to see if Brown gets many reps @ Stanford.

  • e. says:
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    Thoughts on Beau Baldwin as a potential HC?

    • Jack says:
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      I think they’re summed up in the post I’m typing right now.

  • RileyMustGo says:
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    Been a Beaver fan for 20 years and have had season tickets for several years with a large group of friends and family. Never was overly crazy about Riley but my group gas decided we all are done if Riley doesn’t get to 7 wins this season. That isn’t a good mark and we mostly consider even ball or less pretty darn ugly since it is more nonconference meaningless games than anything else.

    Seems like the perfect time would be after this season since things look bad for the next few years. Have grown way too tired of his excuses. Live the school but think BDC has screwed up football royally at this point and Riley is moztly going downhill from here. Don’t care to watch all his same mistakes anymore so our large group has decided we are done unless Riley actually wins against an alright tesm in Stanford. Your move coach! I am 99% sure though this ends for us in Palo Alto. He just never gets it done anymore. Think we could see 38K at some games next year cause I think there are alot more like us tired of the BDC and Riley show.

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    Angry, I’m curious since you said the Beavs have never lost a game you attended. Just how many games have you attended? Is this your first?

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      4th and first outside of Corvallis. I really should have gone to more but I don’t like traffic.

      • Beavers4life says:
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        Angry, what games did you witness live and what year(s)?

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        College Gameday doing a big Lance Leipold feature tomorrow. You look at him and he looks focused and extremely confident. All of Riley’s many big weaknesses are strengths with Leipold. I really think Oregon State would be a ton better with this guy. Will be watching and listening closely & hope BDC gets off his debilitated ass and does the same. Really believe Leipold has the right stuff to elevate a program at any level. You were spot on about him Angry. He would run circles around Riley I bet such that if they played 10 games on a neutral field Leipold probably beats him 10 times in a row.

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        You’ve intrigued me to see what my overall record is since 1997: I’ve missed 2 seasons(2007&2008) and I didn’t go to the WSU home game in 10′ and give or take a few losses since I’ve been to a few civil war games in autzen, but can’t remember when. These records of me in attendance.

        Overall record is 65-33
        3-L seasons (97′ 3-4, 11′ 2-6, & 13′ 2-4)
        2- .500 seasons(98′ 3-3, 05′ 3-3)
        11-W seasons (99′ 5-1, 00′ 7-0, 01′ 4-1, 02′ 6-1, 03′ 6-1, 04′ 3-2, 06′ 5-2, 09′ 4-2, 10′ 4-1, 12′ 6-1, 14′ 2-1) we still have 4 more home games, so this season could be 4-3 or 5-3 if I decide to go to the fusky game and we win the games we should win with me in attendance.

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    Agree with the several other posters who have had enough of aw shucks, another loss Riley. Stanford result is what matters and expect another in a long line of losses except against the weakest pushover teams.

    A defeated man out of ideas:
    http://www.csnnw.com/beavers/mike-riley-looks-man-who-has-ran-out-ideas-answers

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    Think Cal’s offense will make things interesting for Oregon tonight, or is this one going to be over by halftime?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Just seeing BSU/BYU ON TV. BSU has “Albertson’s Stadium.” Isn’t Albertson’s owned by mormons?

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      That is what I understand. But Idaho is full of scoops.

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      Pretty sure it’s owned by a private equity firm with Dan Quayle on the board. So I’m thinking you just made a spelling error and added an extra m.

      potato

  • FedUpBeav says:
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    Think Ducks beat Cal 42-24. Maybe Cal can string together 27 but will have tough time holding Oregon below 40.

    Riley will lose tomorrow by somewhere between 3 and 27 points. His days should be numbered.

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    BSU running some entertaining plays…..double pass for another long TD.

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    Been peeking in on this site since the week of the Buffs game vs OSU. Coulda had that one if what looked like probable pass interference was called. Noticing the tone on this site has gotten as bad as on some Buff sites when we wanted Embree gone and not to delay a needed change. Coach Mac has lots of work left but with our major facility improvements coming soon it should start to payoff and get better. Recruits will like the digs. A few pieces and we will start climbing.

    Oregon St. though if you want my honest opinion seems to be headed the wrong direction and quicker than I expected with a senior QB. From an outsider perspective I think this is largely Riley’s fault. Like a few remarks here he seems overrated and makes quite a few mistakes in a lot of games. My advice would be not to prolong the agony and find a new leader for your head coach.

    We had similar administrative issues at CU but we cleaned house and our better for it. Even though the clear majority wanted Embree out, there was a small group who disliked change. Now though we are united in moving forward. Your AD looks tired and so does Riley. He has been there so long I would think fans would mostly have had enough by now if he can only now seemingly beat the bottom dwellars.

    Just see a lot of parallels and want the best for the Pac12 so I think Riley’s time is dwindling. OSU could definitely find a good coach interested in a Pac12 landing spot. Time for you guys to be relevant again. With some thin years looking on their way, keep voicing the displeasure and force the change. The fans and university are what matter, not an aging AD and coach who don’t want to admit they are well past their prime.

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      “Your AD looks tired and so does Riley.”

      The AD (Bob DeCarolis) is 62 and has Parkinson’s. Mike Riley is 61 and appears to be slowing down mentally. OSU’s President (Ed Ray) is 70, and is close with DeCarolis and Riley. It’s a toxic combination.

      The right thing would be for Ed Ray to replace DeCarolis with a young, vigorous AD, and then let the new AD replace Riley. That’s been a recurrent theme on this blog for years. In the long run, it will happen. But of course “in the long run we are all dead”. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

  • Numbers says:
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    I hate the ducks. I hate the ducks and their refs.

  • Outcast says:
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    Seems like there are more Duck fans than Cal fans there. Cal’s making a game of it, at least.

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      38-28 quacks at the half

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      Really really bad idea for Cal to host this at Levi on a Friday night in october, when sure enough Giants are in world series. Shouldve hosted in Berkeley where all their cash strapped students could have shown up. Seriously cash strapped, have you seen tuition/room&board costs at Cal?

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Gina gives a pretty good picture of her philosophy in the comments section here: http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/10/live_chat_starting_at_noon_how.html
    Most have agreed that she is an improvement over the last gal, these remarks give us an idea why.

    She also opines that Marcus McMaryion or Nick Mitchell could be the starting QB….as soon as NEXT season!

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      What she wrote at the bottom of the page could not have been more spot on.

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      “Most have agreed that she is an improvement over the last gal, these remarks give us an idea why.”

      Strongly agree.

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        Agree also. However, she too hit the “who would you get” screeching-chalk-on-a-blackboard button, and then the ‘if you get someone who succeeds mightily, they’ll leave’. I don’t get the concern. Fine! Coaches do that all the time.

        • FedUpBeav says:
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          That is an overstated myth. The Pac-12 is a destination conference. How many other Pac-12 coaches move around much. Some don’t do well enough after multiple years and are replaced but there are only so many places that are above a Pac-12 spot. Is Rodriguez, Mora, Graham or Leach really headed somwhere else? Probably not. Even guys like Erickson who take an infrequent NFL job say later they regret it. If Riley didn’t have OSU to piss on he would be in very low demand and struggle to find any FBS job at this point. He is old enough though and set for life with 50 times the average man’s income that all he should be doing his retiring.

          Pac-12 is a tough conference and if you no longer have the cajones to beat the better teams with some regularity and yiur program appears to be at one of its lowest points after 14 years with some struggling years on the horizon then do the right thing for the program and let us find a leader ready to take charge and win more televised games and actually allow us to beat decent teams.

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    Well, the Duck offense looks like it’s been fixed.

    Duck defense is another story though.

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      Not having their 5* running back helped them tonight. Just feed it to 4*, Royce Freeman. That guy is a beast and I’m not looking forward to playing him the next few years

      • scotty says:
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        Let’s be honest, given the likely state of the Beaver program these next few years, it doesn’t matter whether they play Freeman, a snowman or a walkman, we’re taking L’s

  • mckalk says:
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    It’s sad, but at this point of the season I’m once again more concerned with the Ducks NOT winning a national championship and as an Oregonian dealing with the fall out from that possible achievement then I am with inconsequentail Beaver wins or losses.

    I do take some minor comfort in the fact that I think Helfich has the potential to become a “Mike Riley lite”. He was quoted something to the effect that he’s glad he still has “Mariota for a season and half “. Wishing thinking is not usually a strong coaching attribute.

    My gut feeling is that over the next couple of years he’s going to coach the Ducks back to the pack slightly. That will still be more than enough to beat Riley though.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    For those of you who care about these things….

    “@Beavers_EQ: All White uniforms with Black helmets, socks & cleats today for @OSUBeaversFB on The Farm!!! #BeatStanford #GoBeavs http://t.co/pxa9QlNGOG

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    One of the main reasons Sean Mannion came back for his senior season (and 5th year at OSU) was to improve his NFL draft position. So far, not so good. Today is Sean’s chance to turn that around, with LOTS of NFL scouts coming to Stanford to watch him: “Scouting the scouts: Sean Mannion attracts 12 NFL clubs”. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000416440/article/scouting-the-scouts-sean-mannion-attracts-12-nfl-clubs. I expect Mannion is well aware of this.

    In the past, Mannion has not performed well in situations like this. But a superior performance today could change the whole narrative about Mannion. It’s admittedly based on hope — not experience — but fingers crossed that Mannion rises to the occasion and comes through today — for his sake, and for OSU’s.

    Go Beavs!

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      Hope Sean doesn’t cave under the pressure. Nelson should benefit.

      Will be interesting to see Garret’s play-calling today and see reactions here.

  • AnotherRileyLoss says:
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    How about a new clean thread for Game Day angry?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    In National airport in DC and they got the Dtanford/OSU game on….show us something Garret and go Beavers!

  • AnotherRileyLoss says:
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    Game Over. Riley in fold mode already.

  • Rileysucks says:
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    Looks like Riley has lost the team. Completely would be fine with a midseason firing.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    Sorry Hank…. but you were wrong on #2. That is one empty stadium.

  • Rileysucks says:
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    2 straight false starts!!!!! WHY THE HELL IS RILEY STILL COACH????

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Beavers look like shit. Do they practice?!?

    • Outcast says:
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      Reports all week were about how the coaches were really getting on the players for stupid mistakes, and we proceed to have 2 tight ends commit false starts on consecutive plays. ::facepalm::

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      My God, they look terrible already! Do you Riley supporters finally get it? This is going to be ugly….

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Looks like the D will need to score today.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Well that was a terrible first series. Totally quiet stadium and 2 false starts. Mannion given time to throw but nearly throws a pic and throws behind a receiver on a would be first down conversion. NFL scouts are learning who will not be on their draft board this year

  • Numbers says:
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    getting hard to root for this slop

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Stanford with an OSU bone-it snap…

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Such a poor product

  • Numbers says:
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    I think I just saw angry on tv

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Murphy(?) should hand that INT to Mannion and tell him to do something with it.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    That is one inept O-line.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    It’s more interesting watching the wind blow.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    In the off season I actually thought about traveling to this game. Glad I didn’t.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    CB!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Wow, two turnovers in the first Q. Maybe that will get the O going. Hogan is really, really bad.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Defense is holding the game together.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Brown!
    Hogan looks horrible what happened to him?

  • Outcast says:
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    Chris Brown with a bit more power on that TD run than I was expecting. Nice to see, to say the least!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Travelers waiting here at bar saying commercials are the highlights of game…

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Way to do your homework ESPN. Apparently we have a “Dorrell Johnson” and a “Hunter Harmon” playing for us today.

  • Outcast says:
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    Nice stiff arm from Hogan there

  • RileyTakesAnotherDump says:
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    Embarassing. Riley is a joke. Form the search committee.

  • scotty says:
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    Hey, my 35-7 furd psychic dream prediction is looking pretty likely

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Murphy back to his old tackling technique. All Larry Scott can do is complain that he was held and Hogan only looks good running the ball

    • Jack says:
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      I’m not quite sure why that hold wasn’t called. The side judge had to literally look through the fistful of Scott’s stretched jersey in order to see the rest of the play. Not that we would have even pretended to compete otherwise, but the refs were giving Stanford the game. I even watched the side judge spot one of their plays correctly and run in to mark depth… then he stopped and took a step a full yard sideways and up the field.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    oops…. spoke too soon….lol

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Can the offensive player grab the facemask grill on a stiff arm? Either way, Murphy looked like a fool but isnt that a penalty?

    • Numbers says:
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      Yes penalty, but ESPN announcers loved it too so apparently no neck fracture = no call

    • scotty says:
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      I’m no ref, but you can do pretty much whatever the heck you want as long as you have the ball

      • Numbers says:
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        I remember James Rodgers getting called for that same thing

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Oline looks terrible. Good thing Stanford is missing some Dline starters.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Those giant drop backs by Mannion really look bad when he gets sacked. Huge lost yardage

  • Rileysucks says:
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    This drive is going nowhere. Screw you DeCareLess & Riley. Washed up has beens.

  • Numbers says:
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    I hate shitty tackling. I’m sure angry is having a blast at this game

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    If you blitz and don’t get to the QB you’re going to pay, even with Hogan back there.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    It’s 21-7 but feels like 42-7.

  • AnotherRileyLoss says:
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    Riley is the worse piece if sh*t coach in the game. Wake the f*ck up if there are any Pollys left. The man can’t coach. He is HORRIBLE!!!!!

    BDC needs to can him after this season or sooner. Need a new coach ASAP!!!

    • scotty says:
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      BDC needs to go first… Do you trust him to make a football coaching hire?

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Mannion having a horrible game. Wide open and missed him.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Like his coach, can’t get it done when something is on the line.

      I want a CW blowout loss that leads to Riley’s departure…

  • Outcast says:
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    Do we not have any plays that involve a 3-step drop and quick throw? Seems like everything takes ages to develop for the OSU offense.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    On 3rd and 10, Parker said no receiver was far enough downfield to get the first down….what kind of play calling is that? Yikes…

  • Numbers says:
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    Pass pass pass, don’t we have any plays other than incomplete pass?

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    With the shittly O-line the RBs and TE pass block and the receivers are doubled. Add to that Mannion’s inability to get out of the pocket and you have one dismal offense

    • ObjCritic says:
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      But, but, it’s a complex pro offense that’s difficult to defend now that few teams run it anymore!

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        Not difficult to defend if you can’t run it yourself…

  • scotty says:
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    35-7 here we come baby!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    “All that NFL experience on the sideline”. Yeah, rejected by the NFL experience.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Mannion sulking on the sidelines, no fire from your captain.

  • PoopyPantsRiley says:
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    Is there actually any idiot left in Beaver Nation who thinks Riley is the answer moving forward.

    Riley sucks ass. Basement with Colorado next 2 years. Disgusting! He has to be fired. Move the hell on!!!!

  • Numbers says:
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    Ryan Murphy, you know you’re supposed to tackle them, right?

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Total yds. 292 v 69 for the Beavs

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    Utterly terrible. Embarrassing. This football team sucks! I’d rather have a colonoscopy!

  • PoopyPantsRiley says:
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    Hey Scotty…Your 35-7 prediction might be right by halftime.

    • scotty says:
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      And then the OSU D (furd conservative play calling) makes a huge comeback for the 2nd half shutout. Prophecy fulfilled!

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Was Riley taking a dump on the sideline there?

  • progressivebeav says:
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    Glad i decided to go outside today and check the score at halftime to see if i even wanted to watch. Fire Riley and BDC. See you guys next spring.

  • AnotherRileyLoss says:
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    Mannion losing 18 yards on a sack. Another false start. 3rd down and a mile. What else is there to see?

    Fire the staff and BDC with them!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    If I hear “he can make all the throws” one more time I’m going to puke. Mannion is like the guy you take to the range and he never misses the bullseye and then you take him on the hunt and he can’t kill a damn thing.

    • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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      I don’t see Mannion as the problem really. Could be wrong but I’d blame the line more imo.

    • Numbers says:
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      Mannion is NOT the problem, his poor play is merely a symptom, the true cause is Riley&Co.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    delay of game….then with S driving, an illegal substitution… good god.

  • scotty says:
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    He missed the field goal

    DREAM STILL ALIVE 😀

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      I’m not so sure he even missed it. Was above pole but looked inside. Refs showing poor vision again.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    At the half, Riley says — ” no part of our game looks very good…” again sounding like a spectator…

    Its YOUR game, Riley…you are the damn head coach!

    • Numbers says:
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      In most of The Rikey tv shots I’ve seen today, he’s looking at the ground. “Hey coach, game’s out there!!!” Seriously, he’s even failing at spectating

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    There’s a lot of people on this board who predicted this D would be good this year. Looks like my 5 win prediction was right on.

    • Outcast says:
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      Those of us that thought the defense was going to be special this year thought so because we had quality at defensive tackle for the first time in a few seasons. Losing multiple players at that position has altered too much on that side of the ball. They’re okay now, but no longer a unit that can win games without the offense pulling a larger share of the weight.

  • Timber! says:
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    Ron Callan with Riley: “The good news is that you’ve got a long way to go and you get the ball first for the 2nd half.”

    Indeed, that is great news.

    Riley: paraphrasing: “There’s not a lot of good football being played anywhere in this game”.

    Well Mike?

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Sacked with a 3 man rush.

  • PoopyPantsRiley says:
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    Most undisciplined, poorly coached team I have seen ever at OSU.

    FIRE RILEY’S ASS!!!!!!!!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    And a 50 yd punt return for TD. Great job Beavs

    • AnotherRileyLoss says:
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      Did you expect anything else from Riley? Of course they took an easily defendable punt back 50 yards for the TD on Riles. He can’t do anything right. Simply has got to go! DeCareLess…you watching thus shit?

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Another sack…. one wonders if that continues, we might end up with negative total offense yards for the game? LOL…

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    I’m now in the camp that there’s not another win left in the season.

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    The Beavs will somehow beat either WSU or Cal. Mark the rest down as auto-losses.

  • Numbers says:
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    Riley Sucks, Banker Sucks, Read Sucks, Cav Sucks, Garret Sucks, BDC Sucks, Ray Sucks

  • Outcast says:
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    Angry’s post-game reaction should be an interesting read, to say the least.

  • Numbers says:
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    At least we provided a cream puff this week so that Stanford is ready for the duck next week

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    That was a hell of a punt block.by Ortiz

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    These clowns are securing my legacy as a great former coach. Thanks Mikey!

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      At least your teams didn’t have to find their own identity

  • Timber! says:
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    Just tweeted this to Jim Wilson:

    #GoBeavs Re: Riley, is there staff/committee … BESIDES the Athletic Director … who hold coaches accountable for performance? @JimWilsonosu

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Villaman looks to be a foot taller, throw the ball up and let him go get it. Horrible throw.

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    Third and a foot to go and we through a fade to the corner the end zone not once but twice.

    • PDXBeav says:
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      Didn’t you expect that to happen?

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        Especially since there was a guy open for the first down

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      We saw it work once in Utah so figured it was our best chance to successfully gain a single yard

  • PDXBeav says:
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    So obviously this game answers the question about whether or not Garrett is a better play caller than Riley. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb on the sidelines.

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    This is an embarrassment.

    • Numbers says:
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      And it’s not the losing. It’s the beating ourself and our ineptitude in the face of the obvious.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Counting sacks, -8 yds rushing for Beavs 116 total.

  • CleanHouseRileyDone says:
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    Riley is a waste of all of our time and 100% has lost this team. God awful coach. Move on!

    CLEAN HOUSE!!!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Do you think Del Rio or Vander Veen would want to take any snaps at this point?

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Shaw/ Hogan being merciful, taking the play clock to zero before the snap

  • CleanHouseRileyDone says:
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    Worst coaching in all of college football. Be proud Beavs!

    Let’s start hearing some names of who we should target. Anything is a major upgrade from this.

    • Numbers says:
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      I think the ecconomics of football would be to go after a big big name and certain positive result. Big money, because we are at serious risk of losing the fan base and income included.

    • scotty says:
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      UCLA having to pull it out in 2 OT against the mighty buffs might be almost as bad

    • e. says:
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      HC: Beau Baldwin
      OC: Johnathan Smith or Nick Rolovich
      DC: Todd Orlando

  • scotty says:
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    they killed the dream dammit 🙁

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Villaman open and Mannion misses him. That wasn’t on the O-line.

  • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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    Time for Del Rio or VanderVeen in this game. It’s over.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Haha, they’re even having a meltdown at P-O.

  • scotty says:
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    firmly off the rileywagon

  • PoopyPantsRiley says:
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    So 23,000 at the games next year? This thing is tanking bad. Angrybeavs had the most people who saw it coming, even though it was fairly obvious. Riley just is incredibly awful. Players don’t want to play for him anymore and most recruits won’t want anything to do with Oregon State until Riley leaves. Too old and on a certain path to serious losing.

    • Numbers says:
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      We are going to be hoping for 12,000 in the seats real soon with this trajectory. If we fired the whole staff(and we need to) and replaced with Footballs top coaches, we would see little immediate uptrend as we would have Riley’s athletes for awhile. Bad bad things happen when change is overdue, you’d think the 28yeara would’ve taught us to value the football money asset.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Beavs are trending to become the last place team in the Pac next year. Even Colorado has more upside

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    The fans staying away is what is needed…..its what got rid of CR….

  • scotty says:
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    Garbage time TD! AWWW YEEAHHH

    hip hip hooray!

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    There is nothing to be optimistic about. Nothing.

    Seumalo should declare for the draft. wed have at least one or twoore wins with him in the mix this year…not sure it will matter much next year. Every other team in the PAC is on the upswing. Or do it seems.

    Why would Riley want to carry on? He has more wins then any other coach in Oregon State history, he’s made his millions, he has reached his pinnacle. If I ever reach that status as a construction manager/engineer I will retire no question. I am out.

    Time to MoveOn. Time to move over. It’s been a good run. Thanks for everything you’ve done. Next man up.

    • Numbers says:
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      Who has the most losses?

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      I have a buddy who says Riley won’t retire until he hits 100. I told him with 8 to go it might take 4 years.

  • AnotherRileyLoss says:
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    Shaw meeting Riley after game was insightful to how far Riley has sunk. Riley acted sheepish and inferior and Shaw gave him a very quick shake but in his head you could tell he didn’t think much of Riley as a capable coach. Then Riley took one last uneasy look back toward him to see if Shaw atleast thought we was a nice guy and possibly questioning his future. Shaw just ignored him with this “I am not sure I will ever see you again look” that sure seemed to imply he thought Oregon State could do a lot better than Riley. Even Shaw thinks Riley is an embarassment to the Pac-12.

  • Timber! says:
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    TCU 82 points today, eat it ucks

  • FireSmileyRiley says:
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    Lets make Oregon State “The OSU” by hiring Jim Tressel. I am sure he has learned from a few years ago and would quickly change our loser culture we have under Riley. Riley will only keep getting worse. Something needs to be done very soon.

    Giving Tressel 5 years to forge a winning program with a winners attitude and having options with Reser at turn of decade is much better than seeing 20K in the stands and letting this unravel all the way like will happen if Riley is kept much longer.

    There surely are a lot of other coaches who would win in Corvallis because they are winners to begin with and know how to lead men. Tressel just one way to quickly have an energized fanbase and get good things happening on the field. Keep monitoring message boards for desired coaches cause OSU is more in need than anyone before this gets insanely ugly.

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      Wouldn’t hiring him leave sanctions from the nonsense at Ohio State tied to him for the next couple of years still? I mean, I like the idea and all, but if it’s going to end up hurting Oregon State, it isn’t worth it.

      • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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        Yes. It would be a pretty huge risk. Plus the man hasn’t coached since 2010. I think there have to be better options out there.

        On December 20, 2011 the NCAA imposed a five-year show-cause penalty on Tressel, which means any NCAA member that wants to hire him would have to “show cause” for why it shouldn’t be sanctioned for hiring him, and could face severe penalties if he commits any further violations during that time. The order stands until December 19, 2016; given past precedent, it will likely have the effect of blackballing Tressel from the coaching ranks until the 2017 season. If Tressel ever coaches again during this period, he will be suspended for the first five games of the regular season, plus any conference championship game or bowl game.

        • SickofRiley says:
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          Riley is going to basically sit for the last 5 games of this season so not sure it is too much different. Except that Riley will lose like crazy to end the season. Most of a Tressel first 5 would be easy nonconference games so you could get through it without much trouble and be done.

          OSU needs to do something. BDC is clueless. There are atleast 30 coaches I would rather have than witness a 15th and 16th season of Riley in freefall. Last in conference next year is within his reach.

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          So pretty much sounds better than the status quo

  • angry angry says:
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    Just got home from the game (we left at halftime). Now you see why I didn’t want to go. It was because I knew it would be really bad football.

    Mannion was SO bad. The bird’s eye view lets you see just how bad he is. Guys were wide open and he (a) didn’t even look at them (b) threw it 10 yards over someone else’s head. I can’t wait to read the comments…I assume everyone is calling for Riley’s head after this. In that sense it was a pleasure to watch.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Angrybeavs, get on you twitter machines and retweet this.

    BeavBlazer (@BeavBlazer) tweeted at 6:04 PM on Sat, Oct 25, 2014:
    @stevegress19 @HamptonKevin It’s time for new leadership. Beavs will be last in Pac next year anyway. The bad teams are getting better
    (https://twitter.com/BeavBlazer/status/526177576902197248?s=03)

    Get the official Twitter app at https://twitter.com/download?s=13

  • angry angry says:
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    Any Riley post game interviews floating around yet? I want to gather all the info before posting my thoughts on this disaster.

      • angry angry says:
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        Why are his eyes bloodshot? Was he crying? Not that I’d judge him for that. There was a lot of pain in that loss. But it’s not good if your head coach cries, even if it is understandable.

      • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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        Christ.

    • Numbers says:
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      I am so Angry with today’s performance but unfortunately Angry, you share in some of the blame going forward… This is an awesome and well read blog. So why on earth are you paying for lousy tickets when you could have contacted the Stanford Athletic Department for a free all access media pass? You could have used your time to put yourself on the sideline and also in a position to ask pre and post game questions. The more I think about that lost opportunity the more I’m bummed about it.

      Anyways, this team showed zero carachter. The did not come into this game with an attitude expected of a team that was still in control of their own destiny for the pac12 title. An absolute embarrassing inability to simply hike the football on time in formation without penalty.(Eighth grade teams can do this.). The pathetic preparation for this game was so evident. This team had plenty of weapons to work with but couldn’t figure basic schemes to use them. Speed to the edges would have annihilated Stanford today(until forced to adjust). Defense was a joke. Flail fail tackles galore. Special teams and our specific special teams coach is probably the single greatest ongoing waste of university(tax payer) money. This staff and their AD needs a changing. Riley says it was bad football, wel, then Riley, you are a bad football coach.

      • angry angry says:
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        That’s a good point. Maybe I’ll ask. I don’t consider myself “the media” but maybe I am. We’ll see by their response to that request in the future.

        • Numbers says:
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          Absolutely you would qualify at this point. You have a substantial following and clearly past time test too. Put yourself next to Ted Miller at the next game. And should work for all major sports too, but maybe you’re hard pressed for non-beavers games. :). Don’t just ask for it, expect it.

          • angry angry says:
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            What are the qualifications to get a pass?

            Forget Ted Miller. I want to sit next to Mamma Machado.

          • angry angry says:
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            I’m not sure who to write, but I did email someone in the Stanford AD to ask. We’ll see how it goes. Great idea, dude.

          • Numbers says:
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            Each school is going to have their own set of hoops. Often it’s simply to just ask.(too much liability to deny access). But print yourself a ‘company id’ badge and have at it. Here is the info for Standford media credentials: http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208451665&DB_OEM_ID=30600&DB_OEM_ID=30600
            …And for what it’s worth. If the IRS says donations received from this website are taxable income then certainly all your travel hotel meal and game day expenses are deductible, probably your internet too, etc.

          • Numbers says:
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            And generally it’s easier to obtain as a visitor team media member

          • angry angry says:
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            Thanks buddy

          • steveEbeaver says:
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            Too much SEC/ Disney bashing here to get press creditials for Angry

          • angry angry says:
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            My friend sent a text this morning saying Disney was at LSU.
            The incest continues. They are really trying to pimp Ole Miss.

  • RanYakumo says:
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    I don’t want Riley fired.

    Get rid of Bob DeCarolis first. Then, we can talk about a new football coaching staff.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    He just puts out a poor product. For as much money as they put into the program they produce a poor product, and it continues to be the same sheet time after time. Only had to watch one quarter toknow how that game was going to turn out. We have been complaining the last 5 seasons, no changes. I am done.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    It’s too bad for the players but nothing will be done until fans quit showing up and sending money.

  • Timber! says:
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    #GoBeavs No one ever told Riley/DeCarolis that there’s a big difference between the words re-sign and resign. @johncanzanobft @JimWilsonosu

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