18.Oct.2015 Gary Crowton Joins Beavers

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Per Gina.

This is an interesting development.

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    He was Oregon’s OC during the Dixon years, right?

    Have to admit, that was my favorite Oregon team to watch, the year Dixon blew out his knee

    • angry angry says:
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      I wonder if Baldwin is on the hot seat already. Seems odd to bring another cook into the kitchen as a “consultant”.

      At least GA is doing something. The offense problems must go beyond the QB? Or at least GA thinks so.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        I had read Crowton’s name last week I think McGiven tweeted something about him visiting practice. Makes you wonder what kind of budget the athletic department has to work with? The staff is already much bigger/more expensive than Riley’s, and now they have $$ for a consultant of Crowton’s stature? Maybe they’ll raise ticket prices to $100+ per game?

        Seems way early to be putting anybody on the hotseat. Pretty much boils down to lack of talent at the #1 position on the team.

      • wannabeav says:
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        concur. This is an interesting development and there is NO plausible way of reading this development but the fact that Andersen is very frustrated by offensive production and Baldwin’s stewardship of it.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Well, maybe its just to aid and push the QB’s development. Develop, Seth, DEVELOP!!

    • Jim says:
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      The first Dixon year, when he looked terrible. 2007 was when Kelly came in and completely transformed Dixon and the offense into a Ferrari, from game one. That was the year Dixon had the knee injury.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        You’re right. I was thinking of the team that won in Michigan. The Crowton years sucked

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          10-2 his first year sucked? And kellen clements was his first QB. He broke his leg at the end of the season, Dixon and Leaf split the remaining 4 games.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          And Oregon finished behind oregon state in 2007. More like a datsun b210 than Ferrari.

  • Beavs vs Buffs says:
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    Stoked about this. This was needed. Glad to see GA will do what it takes to improve the team’s ability to win games.

  • AndersenEra says:
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    Love this hire. I would prefer if Baldwin became the little bit here and there consultant. Crowton and McGiven work well together and are on the same page. That sounds like a perfect fit. Crowton has had much more success than Baldwin. Both McGiven and Baldwin were OC’s last year and personally I liked USU’s offense over CSU’s which I felt was just good enough to have moderate success in the MWC. McGiven isn’t primetime yet but Crowton has reached some nice pinnacles and there is no doubt the offense in his hands would be much better executed than under Baldwin. There won’t be miracles this year but Crowton over the next couple years is exciting and sellable with conviction to recruits that OSU’s offense will get in gear.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    He’s a consultant, it’s a nice way to say “what the fuck is going on” with fresh new eyes. I’m not getting a “please run this shit, we don’t now how” vibe. Maybe freshen up the playbook with shit that will work?
    By the way, wasn’t he at LSU when the beavs lost a close one in death valley?

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    Crowton left Southern Utah University abruptly on October 7th under “mysterious circumstances.” Sounds more like a good old boys hand out more than anything else. You can trace the lineage and connections of these guys to back when they ate Top-Ramen and slept on couches as grad assistants thirty years ago. Don’t expect miracles. JB

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      At this time I feel like it is important for me to step away from the SUU Football program because of personal reasons… The timing is unfortunate but I have some issues that need to be dealt with at this time.

      Crowton on his decision to leave SUU.
      http://www.thespectrum.com/story/sports/college/southern-utah/2015/10/05/suu-football-gary-crowton-resigns-offensive-coordinator/73417396/

      • wannabeav says:
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        can’t help but note that SUU beat Weber more convincingly than Baldwin’s offense and Sitake’s defense.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          Yeah 44-0, that’s a whippin’.

          • scotty says:
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            Speaking of Weber State, they beat the 12th ranked Montana team… Bob Stitt’s team if I remember

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Stitt happens.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Also of note that Southern Utah has allowed only 3 points in 3 conference games and outscored their opponents 118-3 in conference play. Read: SUU is a pretty fucking good FCS and Big Sky conference team. Their 2 losses were to FBS teams (USU won 12-9 and SDSU rolled them 55-10).

    • Jack says:
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      He probably took a sip of non-3.2 beer… or talked to Jamaal Williams.

      Speaking of…. Williams was in Corvallis a couple weeks ago. I’m sure it was nothing.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    The McGiven tweet from a couple days ago.

    https://twitter.com/coachmcgiven/status/654786415809556480

    Great to have Coach Crowton visiting. The guy knows football!!

    • angry angry says:
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      It looks like his first visit didn’t have much impact.

      • AndersenEra says:
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        That’s because Baldwin still calling the plays. We are doing the mental transfer less than ideally. Just like you can’t get through Riley the changes needed it is tough to reformat one’s mind.
        Crowton transferring ideas is only 1/10th as effective as it would be if Crowton just became OC. Haven’t heard if Crowton will even be in booth at games. He may just review tape and watch some practices and provide ideas. What is needed most though is in-game management and play calling. To be very excited about this we need Crowton in the booth on Saturday’s making decisions like Erickson does for Utah.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Hard to believe the Beavs are favored this weekend

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      yeah. just saw that. Beavs open as 3 point favorite over the Buffs. Weird

  • Mb says:
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    Conceptually very good. He was not particularly strong at ends of games when the clock was running at BYU, Oregon and LSU.

  • G Joubert says:
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    Wouldn’t the OC gig at Southern Utah be rather beneath his status, generally speaking?

  • wannabeav says:
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    OT: Mike Remmers bull-rushed by Cliff Avril leads to a Cam Newton interception

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      he should’ve used the holding technique as he did so repeatedly on fall Saturdays

  • Beaver'88 says:
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    Crowton is not particularly innovative. Nobody in Eugene missed him when he left the Ducks. I am not sure this guy is the offensive savior that we need. What we need is a quarterback that can stretch the field. Once Anderson has a chance to bring in the right QB, this offense will be fine.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Little known fact: Crowton has two years of eligibility left.

    • Summerof91 says:
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      He did recommend Chip Kelly from New Hampshire before he left.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Funny, nobody here cares what the ducks think. They have no taste. Crowton went 10-2 in 05 at oregon, 7-5 in 06 season and left to lsu and win a national championship

  • scotty says:
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    Optimist in me: Andersen willing to adapt and try new things, even if it stirs the pot

    Pessimist in me: desperation

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Cynic in me: takin’ care of a good ‘ol boy

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Or maybe Baldwin was the good ol boy hire and now Andersen is realizing he fucked up?

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    He’s been brought in to determine if the diet coke has blown out too many grey cells.

  • locationoregon says:
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    I don’t think Crowton’s hire has anything to do with Baldwin being on the hot seat or anyone feeling desperate either. Andersen is about process, not knee-jerk. Crowton has a deep resume, is a known entity and happens to be available. More likely it’s about opportunity and “fresh eyes.”

    • angry angry says:
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      Andersen is about process, not knee-jerk.

      This is knee-jerk, though. You think he hires Crowton if the offense is working?

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        No but he didn’t throw Baldwin off the plane before they flew home either. That would have been knee jerk. The guy is a consultant, the fact is we don’t know what his job is going to be yet, all this is speculation until GA makes a statement.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          It’s a shock to our system to see a coach do something different after having Riley and Co. do nothing different when losing. Or say they’ll do something different and then just do the same thing.

      • Beavlover69 says:
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        Wait, so fixing something that isn’t working is “knee jerk”? I thought fixing something because it’s not working was called “fixing.” Maybe I’m wrong? It’s not like he fired Baldwin, he just added another brain to help figure out a solution to a problem. It’s how humans solve problems together.

  • Jim says:
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    This is just weird. Ask BYU fans how much they miss Crowton as head coach. Then ask Oregon fans how much they miss him as the OC. Oregon’s O and QBs were inconsistent at best when he was there. Then Kelly came in and revolutioned it.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      They went 10-2 his first year running a spread. Then 7-5 his second season. Ducks defense sucked in 06, kind of like now. Of course duck fans didn’t miss him, most are self serving assholes. Kind of like losing a recruit and saying “we didn’t want him anyway”. The guy was offered a chance to coach at a relevant team at twice the pay, you’d be stupid not to leave.

      • Jack says:
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        Yeah… it must have been tough for him to go from this strip mall in the crotch of the valley to Baton Rouge… where he won a National Championship… and probably respects the championship enough not to name it after a shitty beer.

        I feel the sniffles coming on because I’m sad for him.

        ?

      • Jim says:
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        Track the progress of Dennis Dixon’s college career.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          Who gives a shit about Denise Dixon. And if your trying to pin his awful 06 season on Crowton , Belotti picked the starters.

    • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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      Better yet, don’t ask Oregon fans anything. Who cares?

      • Jim says:
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        Stick your head in the sand. Now, that’s the smart move.

        • Jack says:
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          How do you conflate asking Ducks something with being inquisitive… or even remotely thinking you’re resourcing anything intelligible?

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        Don’t most quack fans think football started in Eugene with Kelly? I doubt ‘most’ k-mart shoppers even knew there was a football program pre-chipster.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I think you are reading too much into the offensive scheme of things. It might have more to do with the QB development. Helping them with their reads, progressions, and reading defenses. Probably so McGiven can focus on techniques and footwork.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      He might also be here to decide what flavor of Gatorade should be used during timeouts.

      • Jack says:
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        Purple-ishus!!!!

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          No orange flavor for 3rd and short. Blue for 4th and short. Yellow to ice a kicker. Red to slow down a fast tempo option team. The rest is to complicated for me to understand….only a consultant can make that call.

        • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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          Purple Drank?

    • locationoregon says:
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      It’s a non-coaching position.

  • Great Pumpkin says:
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    I say we work with IBM and have the next version of Watson call our offensive plays. Dead serious.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Something else to ponder…………………..Buffs have left the state of Colorado only twice. And neither trip went well for them (Honolulu and Tempe)

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Hmmm……maybe there is something to that “altitude difference” thing.

  • Bill says:
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    It’s really a weird development. I mean why bring him on as a paid coach? He can’t coach on the field since they have 9 coaches already. Not sure if he even will have any contact with the players.

    Consultants just like to hear themselves talk and be captain hindsight. They can suggest all the things they want and if they don’t work, there’s no real penalty.

  • mckalk says:
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    Has anyone mentioned as HC he ran BYU’s program into the ground and was run out of Provo after four seasons? First year with Lavell Edward’s players 12-2 followed by three losing seasons.

    • Jim says:
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      I mentioned BYU. The people on here seem oblivious, though.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Just cuz a guy isn’t a great head coach doesn’t mean he’s bad at all things coaching. Sometimes they just fit better as coordinators. Running a program is a huge step up from being a coordinator. And again this guy isn’t coming on as a coach just another set of eyes and perspective to come in and give some insight on things. Hell maybe he takes one look at the tape and says Collins needs to play receiver. Who knows. But saying a guy is toxic because he’s failed as a head coach somewhere is a pretty big (and pessimistic) assumption

      • Jack says:
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        Yes… Bellichick sucked as a head coach until he got Bledsoe injured and had to put in the back-up.

      • Ripper Ripper says:
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        The name Lane Kiffin comes to mind.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Did I miss something? Is he replacing GA?

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Consultants are usually brought in to deliver bad news from an “objective” point of view, so you might be on to the Collins thing. Probably not, but who knows?

    • Issaquahbeav says:
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      Meeting with the Bob’s?

    • angry angry says:
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      I hope you’re right.

      BG, that must have been a brutal Saturday…

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        You know it buddy. Leave it to fucking Riley finally to have them play a game without dumb mistakes.
        It has been painful. An unbelievable amount of injuries have wiped out what should have been a potentially very good season. Now the warts are showing. Still pissed off. Now it will take a minor miracle to get to the Pile O Shit Bowl. DVR’d the Beav game. Sounds like that was a beauty. Deleted without watching.

  • Colorado All F'ing Day says:
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    This is the week our streak ends in the PAC 12. We’ve been a dominant program for so long now it’s time to start climbing the ladder out west. It starts with kicking the crap out of the beavers.

    • Jack says:
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      You set a high bar, good sir. You must be a truly competitive spirit with a beautiful mind.

    • scotty says:
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      Funny how we’re getting trolled by one school’s “fan” every week now. You have more split personalities than Jack.

    • Issaquahbeav says:
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      Duck fan puffing his chest after a BIG win against the puppies.

  • scotty says:
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    Great news everyone!

    Our soccer team is no longer ranked! I was BIRE-ing (blushing in reflected embarrassment) from the WSU game, but when I learned our soccer team pulled its head out and started losing, I felt proud once again. Now I’m BIRFing (basking in rotten futbol)

    I was terrified we were going to become some sort of soccer powerhouse for a while there. Yikes!

  • Jack says:
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    What I’ve seen thus far:

    Game 1: Somewhat split reps. The starter needs a lot of work. The second QB gets some looks and throws some nice balls. But nobody gets to run a conservative set and sustain any real drives.

    Game 2: No real split on reps. The starter looks bad. The second QB looks worse for the four plays he was in.

    Game 3: A set QB still looks bad, but he can make some things happen with his legs. We finally see a dedication to the run, and it works.

    Game 4: Some improvement from the QB. There looks to be a commitment to the run in the first half. Then we go flex spread and pass happy in the third quarter and fall apart.

    Game 5: GA says he wants to play tough, run power. Baldwin says the O is starting to click. Sitake starts to grumble a bit, but suggests D can be decent if players aren’t given too much to do. Then the game starts. Crap flex spread leads to a total breakdown in the first half. Playing from behind allegedly means we have to depend on our now crap QB to make plays. But he starts locking in on his first read or pulling it down for little effect. QB gets himself hurt, and the second QB comes in and looks like he’s managing to do something. This is likely because Baldwin goes conservative and starts to run out of some power sets, because he thinks he needs to protect the second QB. This works a little bit, but time runs out in the first half. Starter comes back in the second half and runs a shit show until we lose the option and just start to run the ball with people who actually run the ball. But there are enough flex/option crap calls that the crap QB stalls on every drive due to really poor decisions.

    Baldwin calls himself out and says we need to run. Sitake calls himself out and says players need to play. GA calls himself out and says we need to do what works.

    Game 6: We do nothing that works. The D is playing 10 yards off the ball on short yardage. We don’t crowd the middle when their only runs are through the middle, and most of their passing game is there as well. We apparently don’t have any RBs or a competent QB. And we’re going to have no lead WR with all the hospital passes our QB throws. Not one power set. No dedication to the run to wear down their D. A QB who misses tons of open receivers in order to run around like a chicken with his head cut off. A QB who refuses to hand the ball off in order to run around like a chicken with his head cut off. It looks like the QB is the only guy on our side who knows what’s going on, and that’s that he likes to run around like a chicken with his head cut off.

    Last I checked, football is a team sport. If hot dogging is what frosh do, then we need to put a WR or a RB in at QB. Because this QB does not get it and is regressing. Perhaps there’s a schism in our locker room because everyone who is not our QB has to sit there and watch our QB play and wonders what the fuck we’re doing. I thought it might be the extremely soft Riley-ness of the holdovers. Now I think it’s just a collective WTF?

    I now think MM or NM are better QBs for us at this time. I think this because they aren’t in love with themselves and their abilities to run around like chickens with their heads cut off. They would hand the ball off or stay in the pocket long enough to look at their second and maybe third reads. They might hold the ball too long and get sacked now and again. But even that would be better than what we have now.

    I refuse to go Stockholm Syndrome on the SC-led offense. And I refuse to buy the bunker mentality displayed by his continued participation and the offense devoid of the power our head coach says he wants. Our QB is our weakest link… by far. I almost believe our D sucks because they get to face him in practice. They probably think they’re golden after a day against that shit show.

    • angry angry says:
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      That’s a great synopsis.

      Besides Collin’s missing throws, he never hands off. The coaches then say he’s mis-reading the option. No, he just wants to run and get all the glory. You don’t get 22 QB runs by accident…

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        The guy in pickup basketball who never passes and shoots all the time. We all know the type.

        • Nak says:
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          Gotta agree with Gopher on this. I’ve been in the camp that Collins is me first guy. I don’t know, it’s the body language, facebook handle, his over confident father, etc. Yes, folks were saying he’s only 18-19 but there’s something odd going on. I hope I’m wrong because I want to see success but I don’t think StG is with the team all four years. If he makes a position switch or isn’t the starter I think he bolts. Do I like competitive ballers – sure. But this kid seems like an ass. Gotta call it like I see it.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this were the case.

          • angry angry says:
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            It all ended for me with the media day interview:
            http://angrybeavs.com/football/11475

            Once I saw that interview, I felt pretty sure things would not go smoothly. I briefly bought into his moxie being a recruiting asset, but that was a pretty dumb thought, in retrospect.

      • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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        I was yelling at the tv to just hand off the ball and please don’t let him ffing pass it!! Damn ball hog. Should be Woods, Nall, Haskins, Brown all the way down the field. Get that rolling then open up with play action and mix in the read.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Pretty much sums it up.

    • angry angry says:
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      I refuse to go Stockholm Syndrome on the SC-led offense. And I refuse to buy the bunker mentality displayed by his continued participation and the offense devoid of the power our head coach says he wants. Our QB is our weakest link… by far. I almost believe our D sucks because they get to face him in practice. They probably think they’re golden after a day against that shit show.

      This part is great. It’s weird how people on this site reacted to StB’s ineptitude, giving him every benefit of the doubt, excuses, etc, and giving the backups no slack at all. Because he is athletic and can run, making the occasional highlight reel play? As I said, Dave Kingman could hit a ball 500ft, about twice per season. And hitting a ball 400ft was just as good. And hitting a ball 10ft, if out of the reach of a defender, is not too bad, either.

      Meanwhile, the messengers get shot because people can’t adjust. I was willing to adjust and admit Collins was good, if that proved true…

      I think GC was brought in to tell GA his QB sucks and is holding everyone back. Objective source will make everyone handle it better…

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      I got to admit I don’t always read Jack’s takes because there are so many of them and I don’t have that much time but this one is spot on.

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      Great post. It’s always weird when someone slam dunks something yet you see folks disagreeing…

      BTW, other boards are kinda saying the same thing. I believe we have a head case in Collins.

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      Yes I concur there is no I in Team BUT there is a “ME” in Team and that’s what we have seen thus far. So how long does it take the process to process. There are plenty of great players on the 1.2.3
      depth chart who have plenty of Strength, Speed, and team spirit give them a chance to light a spark and bring victory to the Beaver Nation now!! Go Bev’s

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    I could research this, but… my recollection is, some people thought GA screwed the QB situation up in Wisconsin when he was there, too. Who has the details on that?

    Seth the HeadlessChicken is not getting it done.

    As I’ve posted before, it seems like GA is sticking with this QB because he is so raw and needs real world reps, but I’m not sure the reps are helping. As Jack has so perfectly described, he’s getting worse.

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      The nut shell version is this.
      GA says he wants to have more of a running threat at QB and anoints a Juco transfer ahead of the previous years starter, Stave. All the reports out of their camp says McEvoy can’t hit the broadside of a barn in practice. That becomes obvious as they lose to LSU. Even,tually he has to turn to Stave and a story of how Stave had the yips comes out which sounds suspect as well as some BS injury story. It all sounded like revisionist history to cover up a dumb decision by GA.

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      And we have a winner.

      StHC.

      Seth the Headless Chicken.

      Beautiful.

  • angry angry says:
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    Did he hire a consultant to make up the yips story?

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      Yup. Steve Sax.

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        Come on! Where are you from?

        Knoblauch.

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          That was my thought, too.

          And… Macky Sasser.

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            I would have figured a Mets fan would have taken joy in writing the name John Rocker.

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            Did he have the yips? I don’t remember that. But I remember him being a huge douche. Apparently he’s mellowed out and is an okay guy now.

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            Sax is the gold standard.

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    Maybe GA reads Angry’s posts and actually responds to criticism positively? 🙂

  • angry angry says:
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    Is Andersen doing his usual Monday press conference? I haven’t heard him speak since the game. I need to hear this.

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      Usually it doesn’t happen until around noon or 1 PM. The Joe Beaver Show is usually carrying it.

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    Sorry it’s late guys, but I have a good excuse… I was at the WSU game and was driving home all day yesterday. Pullman isn’t the end of the world, but I think you might see it from there.

    PHIL STEELE REPORT CARD (Week 7 – at Washington State)

    (Projected Stats/Actual Stats):
    OFFENSE
    Oregon State Rushing Yards: 138/218 (+80)
    Oregon State Passing Yards: 134/176 (+42)
    Oregon State Total Yards: 272/394 (+122)
    Oregon State Points: 20/31 (+11)
    DEFENSE
    Washington State Rushing Yards: 77/111 (-34)
    Washington State Passing Yards: 306/409 (-103)
    Washington State Total Yards: 382/520 (-138)
    Washington State Points: 31/52 (-21)

    Notable Positive Game Statistics:
    Oregon State rushed 45 times for 218 yards.

    Notable Negative Game Statistics:
    Oregon State lost 52-31.
    Oregon State allowed 520 yards of total offense.
    Oregon State allowed 409 yards passing.
    Oregon State was -21 in net points.
    Oregon State was -11 in net first downs.

    Week 7 Single Game Grade: 70.4
    Season-To-Date Grade: 72.5 (#94 Nationally Out of #128)

    Season-To-Date Positive Total Statistics:
    N/A

    Season-To-Date Negative Total Statistics:
    N/A

    Season-To-Date Positive Average Statistics:
    N/A

    Season-To-Date Negative Average Statistics:
    Oregon State is averaging a completion percentage of 49.4% per game this season.

    Season-To-Date Positive Home Game Average Statistics:
    Oregon State is averaging 46 carries for 232 yards rushing every home game.
    Oregon State is allowing a sack on 3.6% of their snaps every home game.

    Season-To-Date Negative Home Game Average Statistics:
    Oregon State is averaging a completion percentage of 54.2% per home game this season.

    Season-To-Date Positive Away Game Statistics:
    N/A

    Season-To-Date Negative Away Game Statistics:
    Oregon State is averaging 260 yards of total offense per away game this season.
    Oregon State is averaging a completion percentage of 44.7% per away game this season.
    Oregon State is allowing an average of 523 yards of total offense per away game this season.
    Oregon State is allowing an average of 43 carries for 235 yards rushing per away game.
    Oregon State is allowing a completion percentage of 69.4% per away game this season.
    Oregon State is sacking their opponents on 3.7% of their snaps per away game this season.
    Oregon State has a net yard average of -263 yards per away game this season.
    Oregon State is averaging 106 yards offense less than their opponent’s defense avg per away game.

    Season-To-Date Positive Conference Game Statistics:
    Oregon State is allowing a sack on 3.0% of its offensive snaps in conference.

    Season-To-Date Negative Conference Game Statistics:
    Oregon State is averaging a completion percentage of 48.5% per conference game.
    Oregon State is allowing a total yard average of 551 yards per conference game.
    Oregon State is allowing an average of 43 carries for 268 yards rushing per conference game.
    Oregon State is allowing a completion percentage of 68.8% per conference game.
    Oregon State is recording a sack on 3.1% of their opponent’s snaps per conference game.
    Oregon State is averaging a net yard average of -208 per conference game.

    Season-To-Date Positive Non-Conference Game Statistics:
    Oregon State is averaging 45 carries for 214 yards rushing per non-conference game.
    Oregon State is allowing an average total of 279 yards per non-conference game.

    Season-To-Date Negative Non-Conference Game Statistics:
    Oregon State is averaging a completion percentage of 50.7% per non-conference game.

    • angry angry says:
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      Steele went through all that trouble? All he had to do was see that Collins was starting. 😉

    • Jack says:
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      Since when does -34-113=-138?

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        It doesn’t! Looks like the projected yardage total was added wrong. Can’t see how you’d miss a yard when you’re doing this for every game every week. :P.

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        Vernon adams did the math!

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    Wasn’t Collins actually “Baldwin”s guy?” I thought Baldwin recruited him to CSU, lost out to SJSU, then got him back after taking the OSU job?

    Anderson is supposedly hands-off on the offense, correct? Maybe Croton is his means to making Baldwin rethink things, though Croton is also McGiven’s buddy.

    Baldwin’s offense sounds like drinks too much diet coke. get some real sleep, exercise, take advantage of the training table and eat healthy, and get back in the press box to call the game; being on the field has not been a benefit. Let McGiven interact with the QBs….

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      I was about to write something similar myself.

      Thanks OC.

      A few additional mumbles. I believe GA when he says he’s not the expert when it comes to the offense (?) that Baldwin is trying to implement. So to me it makes sense that GA would want a second opinion w.r.t. evaluating what’s being called. I have no idea if the consultant that he’s hired is the right guy for the job so that decision is beyond my pay grade but it’s obvious that this is someone GA is comfortable with.

      Anyone know if GA is paying for this out of his pocket?

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    Gary Andersen at 12:30.
    Should be an interesting one.

  • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Utah game announced as 4pm kickoff

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    Given the can of Spam that GA inherited, he and his staff put together a plan –including bringing in SC — that they thought/hoped would give the players/team the best chances to grow and succeed while learning a new system. As Angry and others have stated, it’s not just that they’ve lost, it’s how poorly they’ve performed overall. So much for plan A.

    GA has said recently that he’s not a patient man when it comes to identifying causes and correcting problems. On other occasions, he’s also talked about his willingness to seek outside advice, so he may well have been doing so with Crowton. It could be that seeking advice turned into a job offer and is partly the reason that Crowton left SUU (?).

    Regardless, I don’t think Crowton’s hire was out of the blue. It could be that GA has been noodling this around for awhile but has just now been able to pull the trigger on it. It would, after all, have to be approved by the AD and admin first, and that’s not an overnight process.

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      Spam is a delicacy in the islands.
      They are really trying get the Polynesian kids. #Polypride
      Ergo, wouldn’t leaving a can of Spam behind be a good thing for GA’s posse?

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        Ha-ha, good point. I should have continued the Spam analogy by pointing out that you can’t turn it into prime rib, regardless of who is in the kitchen cooking.

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        Read that hashtag as “Polyp ride”. Was very confused.

  • angry angry says:
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    These callers on the Joe Beaver show are zombies. They just said Harbaugh went 1-11 his first year and Stanford (wrong), for one, but the guy also was once again gushing over Riley.

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      The next caller totally called him out on it. Saved me having to pick up the phone.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      It’s like battered wife syndrome with some of these guys.

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      those Riley cock gobblers are part of the reason I quit listening to that show. So tired of hearing excuses. BTW, Stanford went 4-8 and 5-7 in Harbaugh’s first two years. Most of the callers on that show and the Riley apologists are the 60+ geezer crowd that don’t know any better. They just remember 28 years of losing and will tea bag anyone that gets 6-6 and the alzheimers.com bowl invite before Christmas. Fuck that. i don’t expect this program to go to the Rose Bowl every fucking year. I do expect MORE than one Alamo Bowl appearance and however many trips to that shithole of El Paso in 14 years. It’s why I am fine with a few rebuilding years. Riley was never going to take OSU to the promised land. Andersen can. I’ll be patient.

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        I remember the 28 years too. I sat and watched all I could in the hopes that something would work, if even one year. It looked like Pettibone could have done it in the mid-90s with a great great defense… but, alas, no offense.

        What I remember most is the puzzling move by Andros in hiring Riley away at the end of the 28 years. Riley left a couple weeks before signing day, and all I could think was, “WTF? Well, I guess this saves us from having to fire him once his contract is up.”

        And then DE happened.

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    Missed most of the 1st half of the presser, but towards the end I heard more of the talk about the league being a tough league to play in, and if the players aren’t up to it, it won’t get any easier. Really wants some of the players on the team to reassess if this is the right place for them and possibly move on.

  • Colorado All F'ing Day says:
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    Buffs coaching staff has had this game circled for a while now and sees blood in the water. St Sefo will be unleashed this week and just watching Nelson Spruce work this week your D better bring it or they’ll need to hire Monte Kiffin as a defensive consultant.

    • Jack says:
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      Uh oh! Someone named Spruce is going to go against the Beavers?

      Blood in the water indeed.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Maybe they should have circled that egg they laid in Hawaii.

    • ean says:
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      this guy is funny, is it the same guy as the Arizona fan last week?

      • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        More than likely. Cats fan 2 weeks ago, Coug fan last week. My bet is someone posts this weekend claiming to be a Ute fan. Some duck douche probably butthurt over no natty again

        • Jack says:
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          If you can’t find Natty out west, there’s always Keystone Light.

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      the only thing Colorado has been circling lately is the toilet bowl as it’s being flushed. Buffs = Not even remotely relevant

  • scotty says:
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    Had to call into JB show. Think I ruffled Mike Parker’s feathers haha

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      were you the last caller? yeah, Mike didn’t want to listen to you.

    • StarcraftSquall says:
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      Flabbergasted, eh? 😉

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Give us a run down?

    • angry angry says:
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      What did you say?

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        A previous caller said he wanted Dr. Ray held accountable for running Riley out and it didn’t need to be like this. I said Dr. Ray *should* be held accountable if he ran Riley out. Give him a raise. And it didn’t need to be like this if Riley adapted instead of keeping his old gang around forever. Riley 29-33 in last five years with his own recruits and system instilled. Andersen 41-23 in that same time. Incredible that other guy wished Riley was still around.

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          The previous caller that said it didn’t need to be like this I’m sure was happy as a pig in shit when Riley was turning in regular season records of 4&8 however. I’m tired of ‘that’ fan. I still can’t wrap my head around the fascination those old curmudgeons have with St. Bike.

        • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Maybe he’s graduated from napkins to tampons. Good job Scotty

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            MP still the man. It’s actually kind of endearing how he sticks up for Riley and crew. It’d be disingenuous if he did a 180.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            ” It’d be disingenuous if he did a 180.”

            AKA The Mama Machado Two Step

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            Why would it be disingenuous? Riley ditched him too.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l2T3pgiHk1WKiNvQZUzWzWYR3Oo5HoBxrxcCbnl2LcY/edit#gid=27

    The Power Ratings Sheet Predictor Is Updated. W8 is this week’s game predictions.

    Jack, don’t look at the actual rating rankings. You’ll have an anneurism. :-).

    (By the way, I’m not using this to tell you who should be in the Top 25).

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Thanks to blazer for this link:
    https://soundcloud.com/oregon-state-athletics/gary-andersen-meets-the-media-oct-19-2015

    @ ~ 19:15 Andersen is asked about how the Crowton deal came about. According to Andersen QB coach McGiven approached Andersen and asked him if it was O.K. if Crowton got involved. Andersen said O.K., how long do you want him to be here? McGiven said for as long as Crowton wants to be here.

    Do you think there was some disagreement between Baldwin and McGiven? If there wasn’t before I’d bet there’s some now.

    Back to my days in the military. It’s not good to jump out of the chain of command and to go around your superior (behind his back). Not good, not good at all.

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      Yeah, that doesn’t sound like a great working environment. You’d like to think Cokey had some say.

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      I think that it’s a legitimate question. As everyone knows McGiven graduated to OC at USU after Baldwin went to CSU. I think he has his take on what should be run and obviously works with Collins more than anyone else on the staff. Maybe the student has surpassed the teacher? It’s always hard going back to work for someone – especially a former mentor – once you’ve spread your wings and that may be very well be the case with McG and Baldwin. Baldwin will most likely put on a happy face re. Crowton but is most likely is pissed that McG asked to bring him in. Yes, he has long ties to McG but six games into the season seems quite really odd. And the fact we have no clue as to why Crowton left SUU so abruptly and during the season adds to the speculation.

      You see time to time the Boise St-ish plays – the 2 point conversion and for the TD against Stanford – but the rest of the calls thus far have been vanilla w/ vanilla topping. A lot of the dumbing down could be due to Collins – the kid can’t seem to throw slants, wheels and or hitches consistently and as we’ve already discussed most likely wants the glory and that’s why he keeps the ball. If Garretson or someone else isn’t our QB next year this rebuilding project will take a lot longer than any of us could have ever imagined. Our OL and WR’s are serviceable with a semi decent QB (not sure about the RB’s). The defense is shitty right now but StG’s inability to throw simple passes, convert 3rd downs and most likely his selfishness are the biggest challenges at the moment.

      Lastly, per Angry’s POV GA has to be able to recruit a high 3 star or even better 4 star QB to run this thing. From his film I don’t think Moran is the answer – doesn’t throw a very good ball and most likely is a safety. Just recruiting athletes and hoping to convert them into Pac 12 QB’s is a pipe dream at best and way too Opie like. Biley & the Misfits did this for years and that’s why our talent level is so bad. Did anyone really think that those OL from the midwest and Glyeb whatever were really going to see the field? Bobby Keenan won’t ever play and there are a ton of others. Biggest surprise – Trent Moore actually was on the field for a couple of plays.

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        Sorry for the typos…

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        Clarkson was out there quite a bit too. I have no clue what was up with Lauina other than maybe the whole of the D line in front of him seemed to be his former teammates or friends from AS.

        And a major complaint against the refs was that Wazzu was holding quite obviously on about 60% of their plays. Hell, the RB tackled our DE on one long completion for a 3rd down conversion… in front of the ref… and everybody.

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          Lauina shouldn’t be out there period imo. More Clarkson or Delp please.

          Has Stanton played pretty well? I haven’t been watching him as much as Harlow.

          The announcers were saying the same thing on the hold you mentioned. Right in front of the official. Also, didn’t they pick up a couple of flags? I think Zona was a record but last Sat was a shit show too. Pac has awful refs.

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          Lauina has been awful all year. Probably the only think preventing me from saying anything was that I didn’t want to look up how to properly spell his name.

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            That’s a very good reason Angry:) Man, I don’t miss that Bear Crawling Lovin SOB Cav. How in the hell does that guy stick around? Woods seems to be a pretty good coach. Less cussing and more coaching from what I can tell.

            I think we lose 5-6 OL over the next 12 months. Retirement, transfer, whatever. I don’t think the current starters are all that bad except Lauina. But other than the transfer from BYU, Clarkson, Brandel and Delp I think we’ve got too many projects. Maybe Lucas from Texas will play his Jr year but not much else from my perspective. Keenan is a wasted scholly and the kids from Minnesota and Illinois… Don’t see it. BeavGoph – do you know if the Gophers were recruiting the kid?

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            They offered him as PWO. They were really after O-line guys after Bama and Arkansas poached the two top in state guys, so for Riley to sign him was pretty puzzling.

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    I dont think so. I think mcgiven probably just wants him here to help with seth. Im sure if Baldwin asked for some feedback he’d give him some but mainly seth i think. Although Andersen said he would be willing to hear feedback from him about his coaching.

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    I’m not as down on Baldwin as most people. I think with some basic completions that should have been, the offense would look much better in all facets. The coaches are saying it’s all on them, but at some point that goes out the window and players have to execute what they are taught. Week 7 now and the players should understand things. Baldwin offenses have been very good. The Diet Coke thing is lame, but I think his offensive system can put up points if the players execute. I like him better than Crowton, tbh. Hopefully Crowton’s role is to objectively look things over and point out the flaws. If McGiven is trying to get his buddy a job (i.e. replace Baldwin with his buddy), that is super lame.

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      “The coaches are saying it’s all on them, but at some point that goes out the window and players have to execute what they are taught.”

      Players make plays, players win games.

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      I doubt it would to be to replace Baldwin. I would think he would like to succeed him considering he was an oc before becoming are QB coach.

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      They tried to write a negative article, but bringing him in sounds like a good idea if he’s just there to up the learning curve, and that’s what I am reading this as. Sounds like he might be brought in specifically to help Collins. Read between the Beck quotes and it sounds that way.

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    I think a lot of people are forgetting that this is the youngest team in the pac 12 with a true freshman QB… Discipline and consistency are probably not gonna be our strong suits… I see a team that plays well at times but is not consistent at all

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      Oh I forgot to mention, first year coaches who use completely different schemes from the last regime… So you add all of this together it doesn’t bode well for a great season

    • Jack says:
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      You’re right. But there are mixed messages going on. GA needs to stop saying he wants to run power and that he hates losing and that he has very little patience for inefficiencies.

      That’s what we’re going to get if we run finesse with a hot-dogging frosh QB who can’t see beyond his first read. Yes, he will get better. Right now he’s pretty decent for a hot-dogging frosh QB who can’t see beyond his first read. That’s the qualifier that should be attached.

      GA said today that he wants a wide open offense with power elements. It sounded to me like he was finally explaining that growing pains are inevitable, but he will stay the course regardless.

      That’s fine. Don’t say otherwise or give mixed messages previously then run the exact opposite in games. Don’t say, “There are eleven players out there,” (as he said today in defense of SC) when you know damn well you can kiss two receivers and a TE goodbye on the snap, dismiss the RB half the time and hope Villy doesn’t get killed out there. Just say we’re gonna run a shit show until the light comes on in our QB’s mind.

      • angry angry says:
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        Oh no, one of the other Jacks showed up, and this one likes Seth Collins

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          No… he’s crap for this year… until the light comes on… and we will all suffer until that time… if it ever comes.

          He will get better next year because that just happens. He might still be Cam Newton Lite. But he’ll be a better Cam Newton Lite.

          Yeah… hit one receiver relentlessly… run the ball… be a mime for 20 seconds after the score… everyone loves mimes.

          If next year there is a better option (crossing my fingers here), then that option will play. There is a long long long… long long way for SC to go to be viable.

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        I see your point but I just don’t believe mm back there would be any better… And really we are losing at the line of scrimmage all the time… I think that’s a big issue

      • angry angry says:
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        Hey Jack,

        If you are the Jack who wrote the orange-express blog, can you write a little basketball preview?

        It doesn’t have to be now, but something before the season starts.

        • Jack says:
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          Yeah. Didn’t I write something last year that said all the morons who were writing off our talent for talent’s sake were morons? Depth became an issue, but we had some ballers. And now we have almost twice as many.

          That right there can be the write-up. We’re going to be good. And I won’t have to hold my ground after the exhibition, as I did last year.

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    I like this move because it seems to be an ATTEMPT to do something, which is better than the last regime. The expectation I have is this leads to personnel changes- if it doesn’t then I’ll wonder why we did it unless of course there’s a notable improvement in Seth’s game

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      Well there is little room between us and the bottom right now. I would think it could only help. Right?

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        Exactly, so we might as well find a personnel group and QB to run it now, take our bruises, and move forward.

  • i like carrots alot says:
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    Longtime readers of angrybeavs here. I am hoping that the new guy lays it down like it is. Seth the headless chicken isn’t what we need. I’m not sure who is but, I’m quite intrigued by thought of putting Vanderveen back at qb. He’s bigger and stronger now and can throw the ball better than Seth. Lots of spread type offenses have “slower” qbs. I’m sure he wouldn’t be a ball hog and pretty sure he would do ok running it when the read dictated he do so. Just a thought…

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      I think it’s a legit idea but I don’t see the staff being open to it. Brent is an athlete – he was I believe a sectional all-star in hoops (heard he’s the best b-baller on the football team) and from his HS film looks like he can run a little. I thought early on that he was going to be the QB in GA’s system but… The Misfits were saying that he couldn’t throw very well but I doubt it’s worse than StHC. I feel for our receivers.

      Anyway, I like the idea but I seriously doubt we’ll see it.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Eddy Ionescu twin brother of OSU 5* recruit Sabrina Ionescu announced today he’ll be walking on at Oregon. Interesting because he actually had scholarship offers to other schools like Chico State. His sister has OSU and Oregon in her top 5 and visits OSU this weekend, but wonder if this news means she’s already chosen Oregon?

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      Doesn’t bode well for us as Graves has been crushing it on the recruiting trail. Hopefully the team and staff can overcome this to make a huge impression on her this weekend.

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    What’s going on with Pure Orange lately? Takes forever to load anything for the last week or so. That site’s interface is so outdated and slow, I’m thinking Riley’s been moonlighting as a web developer

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    I had to look up Sabrina on Bing to figure out what sport you were talking about. Have we ever landed a five-star recruit in any sport and Oregon State?

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    Listening to podcast of JB show. I think whoever is in charge of the podcast doesn’t like what I have to say. The segment I called was replaced by some old segment from around the Stanford game. Surrounding segments mysteriously okay. Second time this has happened. Mike Parker isn’t in charge of putting together the podcast from what I remember, but whoever is sure doesn’t like my calls.

    Conspiracy? Illumiriley? 🙂

  • MB says:
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    A mistake made twice is a decision. Crowton was probably brought in to evaluate rather than teach. It is fairly evident that there is a mismatch of talent and system on both sides of the ball. Crowton is probably adept at figuring out capabilities and weaknesses, where as the existing crew have a system and by God, these players are going to run it. If Riley was weak in shaping an identity, these guys have created an identity that does not match the personnel. If they need their best 11 guys on the field, and they do, how can Nall be only on the field for a handful of plays each game? Do you guys remember a few years back when Stanford played the fb/mlb both ways? This staff has too many gadgets and too many packages. It has an illiterate QB whose main task is to read. Like his older brother CK of the niners, SC is better when given a specific task within his capabilities, rather than being presented witha series of options that he cannot process quickly. The answer is really not simplifying the offense and defense. The answer is figuring out what your guys can do, and putting the best of them on the field for the most snaps.

    • Jack says:
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      Well stated.

      I still hear mixed messages and see a decline in discipline. But this can be a statesman’s take.

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      Collins can throw an ok long ball and run. Can you build an offense around that at the highest level of college football? I kind of doubt it.

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    “SC is better when given a specific task within his capabilities, rather than being presented with a series of options that he cannot process quickly.” Wahoo! Spot on. That’s overwhelming, especially if he is incapable of performing said options.

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    http://youtu.be/uh9fLSFYenE

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    Goe is at it again this morning. I won’t link the article (you can find it easily enough), but to paraphrase he says something to the effect that “revisionists would like us to believe that Riley left the cupboard bare”. He goes on to point out that Riley left a stable of excellent wide receivers, tight ends, Storm Woods and pro-style quarterbacks (of course, no mention of the defense). It ends by saying this season is not Riley’s fault.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Wait, what?

      Weren’t we all told that Bike Smiley couldn’t win here with a senior laden defense, a senior record setting QB, and a system in place for years because there was no airport which made recruiting impossible. More with less and all that rubbish.

      Now we’re told the cupboards were actually cocked full?

      I’m so confused.

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        *chocked

        (That was an unfortunate typo)

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        I actually can’t find the article on the OLive website yet. It was on the Digital Oregonian this morning so it probably will appear later. Goe also had a snarky comment something to the effect that IF GA gets it turned around. Goe pointed out that this season will be worse in his opinion than Riley’s 3-9 season. Goe also conveniently forgets about Riley’s first year (3-8 season)after taking over for Pettibone and not winning a conference game having to use Wishbone players.

        I like how Craig Robinson was given several years to try to recover the hoops program from Jay John and apparently Andersen and staff get three conference games? Is Mike Riley a fucking sorcerer or something? I can’t believe the spell he cast over the local media!

        • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          It’s there, I went and looked. Goe is duck knob slobber to the bone, will take a cheap shot at OSU whenever possible and any drivel that comes out of the corner of his mouth should be taken with a grain of salt. The article was nothing but a ginormous pure steaming dump and isn’t worth lining the cat shit gravel box with. Yup, it’s not Riley’s fault at most of these players are soft and can’t tackle worth two shits

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Goe is a cocksucker of the highest order. He hitched his wagon to the Riley bullshit train, and now he can’t get off. I’m willing to bet he hasn’t wrote one article about GA or oregon state football since last December that doesn’t include some fond memory of riley (I’m not going to go look). He’s got nothing else, don’t give him a click.

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    Not important really, but looks like Crowton is here on a voluntary basis. Not getting a check apparently.

    https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/656503908198563843
    We understand that Gary Crowton is strictly volunteering at Oregon State. http://FootballScoop.com/the-scoop/?gcwtf2

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    Kind of sounds like the fake punt was supposed to be a read option.

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      I think they need to take away that option so close to the endzone

    • Jack says:
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      No. It was supposed to be a kick. But the rush redirected him, and he tried to run instead of trying to kick it. If you watch the play, his center blocker pushed too wide right, allowing a gap. By moving to his left, Porebski allowed the pursuit to catch him. If he would have stayed true and not panicked he could have kicked it. You could just see that, “Oh shit,” moment when he lost his stride and tried to restart… then run.

      • angry angry says:
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        I really hope it was supposed to be a kick because that was an awful call.
        GA said so on Monday, so I’ll take his word for it.

        • Numbers says:
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          TV Announcers called it a fake, but it looked like a rugby punt with botched blocking the whole way to me.

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        That’s the feeling I had watching it as well. There’s no way the coaches call for that at that distance. Maybe 4th and short but not 4th and 12.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Kevin Hampton of the GT tweets:

    “Nick Mitchell getting a lot of reps today #gtsports #gobeavs”

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      Ruh roh

    • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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      Lots of reps during the 20 min they get to see?

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      “…“Nick Mitchell getting a lot of reps today #gtsports #gobeavs”…”

      The Crowton affect?

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      NM our savior has arrived, put in the smallest least athletic of the group! He did go 5-13 though so there is that

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    Consider this: had Vernon Adams stayed at EWU and ducks had to use Lockie all season, they would probably have our same record. Only wins against Georgia State and Colorado. That’s how important it is to have a decent QB.

    People are getting on GA for bad play when he has a freshman QB. What’s Oregon’s excuse?! They have way more talent lately and can barely scrape out wins.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      And EWU would have beat the hole and Adams would be on NFL radar whether he deserves it or not.

    • ean says:
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      I am more on GA for playing a frosh QB that isn’t very good.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        That’s my only grumble also. I’m gonna go on and on like a broken record about VanderVeen, he’s a junior, he’s a big athletic fucker and he can throw a pretty decent ball. I remember seeing practice video from last year when he was battling Del Rio for the backup spot and he looked at the very least serviceable.

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          I agree he seemed like a good fit for this type of offense.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            I remember watching Moevao and thinking at the time he would have been good in a spread too.

        • i like carrots alot says:
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          GA or DB need to give him shot. Period!

      • angry angry says:
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        This throw sums up Collins well.

        https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/033A8E5FCC1267318800597098496_4b991c75590.1.1.18184736400147727028.mp4?versionId=93UD1TiIFzvB4HK4VaOTs9U0iKnnjGsA

        I stand by my comment that he is going to get someone seriously injured, if not killed.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Broken record time. Is it GA that’s making that decision or is it DB? Based on what GA has said in the past imo it’s DB that’s making the call as to who plays.

        I’m guessing that GA is getting tired of the results and that’s why he O.K.’d Crowton hanging around.

        I’m also guessing that DB is in the dog house for his play calling and for him championing SC.

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          At ~26:10 of his pressy GA points out that being in “this league” is tought and it’s not for everybody and that includes coaches, trainers, weight guys, players.

          Can’t help but wonder if he might be thinking of DB when he refers to coaches.

  • bleedorange says:
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    Just like his throw on the fake punt lol not happening.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Yeah a guy who hasn’t taken any reps at qb since last spring should be expected to nail his one pass of the year. Derp.

      • angry angry says:
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        There are a group of guys who give Collins a pass, no pun intended, even though he gets all the game time and practice reps. Any other QB mentioned gets shot down with “Collins is clearly the best”. They don’t even consider these QBs receive no game time and limited practice time. Everyone is bought into Collins, and it will take more disasters for that to change. He is the new Riley.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          People may also be trusting the coaches decision that Collins is the best option since they get to see the QB’s in 100% of practice, where fans are just getting little snippets of McM & Mitchell.

          • angry angry says:
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            The same coaches who said “if the season starts today, MM is the starter” like 10 days before the season started?

            If we trust them, then there must be zero separation in practice.

            They just rolled with StB because GA loves athletic QBs. It’s nothing more than that, not based off skill, etc. Beavgopher said they went through this in Wisconsin.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            And now McM is third on the depth chart. I’m thinking there’s more to it than what we’ve seen and heard. Besides, even though he came in games in crappy situations, he didn’t exactly inspire.

          • Jack says:
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            Ummm… Have we watched any real games thus far?

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I’d count McM’s game time as snippets, too. Coaches have more info than we do, is my point.

  • Nak says:
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    Throwing short of the sticks? How about another slant, screen? Fuckin terrible play calling.

  • Nak says:
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    What a terribly unsatisfying game to watch. I guess it’s not a surprise – bottom dwellers.

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