16.Nov.2016 Lamar @ Oregon State (Basketball)

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6pm on Pac-12.

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  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    This was so unexpected……..again I’d like to thank my parents and coaches, without thier guidance, I wouldn’t have made it to this point.

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Headed to Vegas tonight for a couple of days. Any bets I need to make out there?

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Ask this guy. I bet he’s kicking himself for not laying down a bigger bet.
      http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/18057783/bettor-wins-big-3-team-parlay-picking-no-2-no-3-no-4-college-football

      • issaquahbeav says:
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        Oh man, at least throw down $10!

        • scotty says:
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          If he put down ten bucks everytime he made longshot bets, I bet he’d be broke! We hear about the one he won, not the hundreds he probably went bust on.

          • issaquahbeav says:
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            True, it’s like the people who go to Vegas and come back saying they broke even. Total lie!

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            He put down 2 bucks on a parley. Go big or go home……or do like me and ride the gray hound home cuz I lost my ass. But I did leave Reno about 6 years ago with a grand up in my pocket…..so there’s that.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            There’s a reason nobody goes broke running a casino.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Where you staying? I’m going next month for Duke/UNLV
      Been several years since my last trip down there. Trying out Aria for the first time

      • issaquahbeav says:
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        Staying at the SLS Vegas as my wife got me an employee rate being she works for Starwood Hotels (Starwood just acquired this property). Aria is nice but you definately pay the price on the rooms and table limits there.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Only staying there because i had a deal for one free night, and then i’m paying for the other. Otherwise i’d go somewhere cheaper. I dont gamble much other than a few dollars on slots here and there.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      staying at the Cosmo just before Xmas, never been there. Seemed pretty central.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Clap your hands everybody, everybody clap your hands!

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    Wonder if little stevie is playing tonight

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    I might prefer in the future Stevie “The other Brother” Thompson

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    and for entertainment purposes…Beavers -19.5 and total 153.

    Keep in mind we were 17 point favorites the other night.

  • mckalk says:
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    People like to talk about a team “jelling”, but you can’t lose games like this if you want to make the NCAA’s.

    7 Beav turnovers in the first 8 minutes to 0 for Lamar (13 pts off of them).

    Lamar brings back some bad memories of tournament failures in the Ralph Miller era.

  • scotty says:
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    Oh hey it’s the trip ref!

  • mckalk says:
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    If Lamar was a good team, they would be up by 25 now. Beavs now have 14 TO’s and 20 points.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Beavs look like crap. Guard play brutal.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Man do we miss Bruce….

  • mckalk says:
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    18 fucking turnovers in 20 minutes. My youngest boys 4th grade team doesn’t make that many!

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Apple turnovers, cherry turnovers, blueberry turnovers, blackberry turnovers, etc.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      It’s pinapple upside-down cake right now.

      • I like carrots alot says:
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        Where’s a baseball thread when you need one. This b ball game definitely isn’t bunt cake

    • I like carrots alot says:
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      Candied carrot turnovers! Gonna hafta say blueberry turnovers are the bomb though

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Hey!

      Marionberry or olallieberry turnovers?

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    ESPN picked this team to finish 11th. After watching that first half, completely believable.

  • angry angry says:
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    McLaughlin blows. 4 star my ass. He plays worse D than Roberto Nelson.

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    And the Beavs with 2 turnovers on their first two possessions. That’s enough for me. Have a good night guys.

  • mckalk says:
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    Beavs down 10 with at least 22 turnovers.

    Kind of reminds me of that game during the CR era when they lost to Seattle U 99-48. You can’t believe what you’re seeing, but unfortunately it’s real.

    Mike Montgomery is ponderous.

  • mckalk says:
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    Still down 6 with 5 minutes left, brutal.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Dew has hands O stone.

    • mckalk says:
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      Shit-fest. They need Thompson Jr. back. They can’t do it if Tres has a bad game like tonight.

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    Wow this team looks really bad. Nobody wants to take a shot. Why is the offense not going through Tres? Yikes all around

  • BlackBeav says:
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    What. The. Fuck. Terrible team. Very embarrassing and all around disgusting effort

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Syd Wiese could start for the men.
    Nice missed slam!

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    Turns out losing your first, second, and third string point guards is hard to overcome. Still though…Lamar? This loss felt very Craig Robinson-y. Hopefully the team wakes up and Stevie turns out to be a difference maker but this has the looks of a rebuilding year early on

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    http://giphy.com/gifs/pictures-lamar-becuo-11nwF0R9wAYZos

  • BlackBeav says:
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    Wow. Lamar? I can’t even find that place on a map. Trash ass team we have lol

    • Jack Jack says:
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      The only good thing about Beaumont is that it’s not Port Arthur.

      That’s all I got.

  • mckalk says:
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    Other than the initial exhibition game against Western Oregon (and that didn’t count), this is probably the first WTF loss of the Tinkle era. We have the no STj excuse and given the suspect performance against UTSA, they need him badly. Let’s see where Tinkle goes from here. My fear is that GP-2 was a very unique college player and he’s not going to be replaced in one season.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    Ugh.

    Stagnant, yet out of control–could that be a dichotomy?

  • Pummel Course says:
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    LOL bitches! Haha! What’s a Lamar??? OMG LMFAO!!!

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Do you like movies about gladiators?

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      “What’s a Lamar???”

      The guy who led off the gang bang on your mom.

      Cute play on a men’s gymnastics contraption in your username though. +1/4

      • Jack Jack says:
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        That’s an interesting first place to go.

        I’ll probably get blamed for it later.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Not really since it’s you that posted it.

          Jack would NEVER try to troll

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I posted about someone’s mother getting gang-banged?

            I expected this psytrance noise to manifest down the line, giving people the chance to wonder what started it all but not caring enough to really find out. That you wang it out on the very first post in reply is not a first for me. But it does make life easier, and that’s a rarity.

            Thanks.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            You’re welcome Pummel Course, I mean King Richard

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I’m not sure what a pummel course is. It sounds like something a jarhead would get excited about.

            For those on the admin side here, are IP addresses visible for all these comments? I have a feeling someone is blaming me for something I do not do… while probably doing so quite a bit himself… and it can easily be proven.

            It’s so typical that it has a stereotype.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Because IP addresses can’t be manipulated. much like votes. Or anything else. C’mon Jacko. Stop playing with yourself

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Are you saying that I’m hacking this site’s admin to change IP addresses?

            Are you saying you can?

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Pretty Hedy performance by Lamarr.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Is there a possibility that Malcom D returns for the winter quarter? They need a steadying influence in the backcourt. That was terrible last night.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Meh.

      It’s hard to care that much. It just is what it is until it isn’t.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Well, reading the comments, guess I’m glad I was stuck at work til 10:30 and missed the game.

    If anyone is interested in tickets, no not for Lamar- although you can have those too, I’m swamped with work for the next month, happy to send tickets we have in the upper reaches of Gill.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      All the stats you need to know:

      A/TO: 11/27
      FT by bigs not named Tres: 3-8
      FT by “other than” bigs: 1-1
      Shot differential for the winning team: 71/47

      • Jack Jack says:
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        When you shoot 27% on limited shots from downtown, we could put together a team of you, me and our four grandmothers and beat that team with a soft zone.

  • Corliss says:
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    I haven’t read all the comments, but I think this loss may be a good wake up call for some young players that you need to come out ready to play.

    We need to work on handling press and trapping.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      They need to be run until they can’t run any more. Then they can get a drink of water and get ready to run some more. If they don’t want to use their heads, then a coach can make them use their feet and legs.

      • Corliss says:
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        Dear slave-master, it is a long long season. No reason to sow bitterness with excessive punishment, but some wouldn’t hurt….

        Do we know who had the most turn overs? I’m bettin it wasnt my boy Eubanks.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    The only bright spot for me in last nights game was Eubanks. Love how he is playing this year. Just needs to worry more about scoring then show-off dunks. Coach Tinkle commented in an article before the game that he was worried about to much playing time right away for the fresh off an injury little Tinkle. I think coach was right… little Tink looked tuckered out last night. All the other rookies had a hard time playing with their thumb in their mouths.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Jaquori was fine as well if we’re using Drew as a barometer. He only made one less FT than Drew, and they had about the same amount of TOs. And Stacy was better than he had been. But a line of 7/2/2/2 with a .667 A/TO is not good for a starting PG on this level. So that’s just a relative gain.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    At last night’s basketball game against Lamar, I mostly watched Tres Tinkle, to see whether he would play less selfishly after filling the stat lines the past two games and winning PAC-12 player of the week. Here’s what I saw.

    Tres spent much of his time of offense standing around the perimeter and calling for the ball. Tres only took 7 shots from the field last night (1 for 7), but many of those were forced. Tres had five turnovers, including a number of misguided attempts to dribble through traffic. Tres had only two assists, despite logging 36 minutes of playing time (most on the team). Tres got most of his points from the foul line, as he repeatedly forced up shots while covered, and ended up taking more than half of the team’s foul shots (Tres hit 7 out of 10 foul shots; the rest of the team hit 4 out of 9 foul shots).

    Perhaps more concerning, one could make a case that Tres is getting favored treatment from his dad. When other guys commit turnovers, they often get pulled quickly. In contrast, Tres led the team in turnovers last night, while also leading the team in minutes played. When other guys take bad shots, again they often get pulled quickly. When Tres takes bad shots, Wayne usually shrugs his shoulders.

    It wouldn’t be surprising if some of his teammates started to resent this sort of stuff. There were a few times last night where I thought I saw teammates choosing not to pass to Tres. Going forward, this may be something to watch out for — as an indicator of developing chemistry problems on this team. Hope I’m wrong about this….we’ll see.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Typically when you’re talking about one person, you don’t need to repeat his name at every opportunity. We have these things called pronouns. I get that you may be trying to prove a point by doing it, because your premise of reward for poor play is visible. But it’s really unnecessary. We’re a stupid country, but we’re not THAT stupid.

    • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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      Interesting look at things. I did see coach go off on Stacy (I think) for a very bad pass that was a turn over. I have always been a little concerned over the father – son dynamics and how that will play out with the team. My bigger concern is this though… Coach has always been known for his defensive teams and not his offenses. I think in this league you need both, or at least a great defense and good offense. We’ve had really good defense since coach tink arrived, but I have always felt our offense was just not that great.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        GP 2 made the defense much better. Eubanks is the only superior athlete at his position. The rest are average or below average. Little Tinkle(Dribble) is slow afoot and not a great leaper to play the 3 spot. He gets by because of good fundamentals, but his drives have an increased level of difficulty because he can’t blow by or elavate above the defenders.

    • Bill says:
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      It looked more like they don’t have a feel for each other. Can’t read the intentions of the other players. So many unforced errors.

      Stacy is out of sync the most. Sometimes trying too much, trying to make a low percentage pass.
      Dew – Too much time holding the ball. Shouldn’t be handling the ball as much as he is. Needs to pass the ball quickly and move. The upside is that he is long and should be able to defend on the perimeter.
      McLoughlin – Adjusting to a new level of competition. Looks a bit overwhelmed with the speed of the game. He’s quickly finding out that his moves from high school don’t work as well at this level.

      Don’t have much to say about the others since they weren’t expected to be impact players.

      Tres looked like he didn’t trust the new guys too much. The first few games, they’ve been turnover machines. Part of it is obviously because they haven’t played together for very long.

      The defensive end looks fine. Held Lamar to 28% shooting which should be expected.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        He’s right, though. Tres didn’t add the other paint presence he usually adds. He could have exchanged all his TOs for trips to the line if he wouldn’t have been standing around the perimeter all game. Not trusting the other guys is one thing. Not putting yourself in a position to play your game is something completely different. And a coach allowing someone who didn’t come to play to stay on the floor is another still.

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    Nobody else wants (or can) score. If that can’t, then Tinkle has to stay in the game-which staff doesn’t want…

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Tres didn’t want to do it last night either. And the problem with him is that his game relies on him eating space. If he goes and hides on the perimeter, he takes away his own game.

      • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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        Agreed re Tres taking away his own game last night by hanging around the perimeter and asking teammates to pass him the ball.

        At the same time, as you said in another comment, there is a problem with “…a coach allowing someone who didn’t come to play to stay on the floor” — especially where that player is the coach’s son.

        After the game, asked about Tres’s poor performance, Wayne said: “”He just wasn’t at his best obviously.” http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/11/oregon_state_mens_basketball_s_10.html#incart_most-readbeavers

        OK. But the follow-up question to Coach Tinkle should have been: “Then why did you give Tres more playing time last night than anyone else?”

        • Jack Jack says:
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          A homer press is less inclined to ask that question until they’ve had a chance to digest the stats. And I don’t see much in terms of press on hand who can translate what they see on the stat sheet quickly enough to ask during the post-game.

          It could have been that he just didn’t have a contingency, and he plays it conservatively. If he looks at the tape and justifies those stats with the same treatment next time out, would our press have the wherewithal to also see it and then ask?

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          Another possible follow-up question would be: is it wise to play Tres that many minutes when he’s recovering from an injury?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I would think that doesn’t need to be a follow-up. I think silverstream is hinting that it might be a leading factor for his poor performance, not a symptom of it.

            It could be an innocuous lead-in for the subject at hand, which I think is rewarding poor play with a bias.

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    Forgot to add that Seth is upgraded to “good” condition.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Zona playing it on the down low on who will start Saturday. Dawkins and Solomon can go. I’d rather deal with Solomon, Dawkins is a better runner… which is a big part of their game.

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    Sure Lamar got more points. Big deal.

    The Beavs; out rebounded them 51-38, led in assists 11-10, Blocked shots 10-2 and field goal percentage 49% to 28%.

    The Electoral College will meet and declare that the Beavs won the game! Chalk up a big win!!

    • Jack Jack says:
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      If the Electoral College can make the Selection Committee ignore the first stat you listed, then we may have a shot.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Wondering out loud: I see Gligorije Rakocevic has played 6, 2 and 6 minutes in the first 3 games. Is that in part because WT is playing the other bigs to see how they do (and fit in) or is it because GR isn’t very good?

  • Corliss says:
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    Oh Snap! Corey Benjamin arrested for domestic violence…. Corey, gasp, smashed a phone…

    http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/17/corey-benjamin-arrested-domestic-violence/

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Do you realize that with that link we can now see where you spend your time looking for news?

      Wasn’t there a site who could make it into 10 pictures with a different sentence from that article under each picture? They don’t even have to be pictures of Benjamin. They can just promise to list the Top 10 sentences from their article, and people would keep clicking.

      • Corliss says:
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        I can live with myself. I find my news on twitter.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          So do I.

          Not once have I hit a TMZ link while there. I have waited for two stories to be reported somewhere else, confirming their supposed exclusivity regarding them. But they ended up being hype.

          If time is money, I ain’t paying to read that site.

  • hellobeavers says:
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    Sorry to change the topic from the hoops disaster, but I need a place to vent. This political stuff is getting out of hand.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/11/privilege_white_teens_wont_tol.html

    The media keeps encouraging people that demonstrating/protesting gives you some kind of voice that people will listen to. I did not vote for Trump and I don’t like him, but I feel like everyone is taking crazy pills. Is he racist? He is likely slightly prejudice, but realistically this guy is not an outright racist or mysoginist. People need to calm the fuck down.

    Such a vocal minority of folks that are overy sensitive to the slightest of perceived “threats”. From the article, this would have made me laugh if the response to it wasn’t such an incredible overreaction:

    “In June, a homeless man shouted about the KKK while threatening a black actress with the Oregon Shakespeare Festival.

    In response, Black Lives Matter signs are still visible on yards, Shakespeare festival members walked in the July Fourth parade wearing Black Lives Matter T-shirts and festival management issued a statement that it was not an isolated incident: “The sad truth is that people of color often feel unwelcome and unsafe in our beautiful town and region. It’s time to talk about it and to take action.”

    Why is “taking action” an appropriate response to some crazy homeless person shouting something racist? There are over 300 million people in this country and people are protesting (and getting media coverage for it) a crazy homeless guy that said something racist.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Did they report that the homeless guy is crazy?

      I’m not sure why you care. Is Trump a racist? Yes. Is he a bad one? I have no idea. I wouldn’t have called him a racist before he started opening his mouth and saying racist crap. So I guess it’s yet to be determined. He’s a liar. So some may try to pass it all off as him not really meaning what he said during the campaign. But that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen, and it says a lot about what people are willing to ignore just so they can reform reality to fit their own narratives.

      But who cares? So long as protest is peaceful, and none of them are people who need to be doing their jobs as they directly pertain to my or your businesses, who has any fucks left to give?

      Let them walk. They probably need the exercise.

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      While I think PC culture may be getting a bit out of hand antagonizing people by crybabies or snowflakes is a pretty fucktwit reaction too. People all over should have a little more respect and compassion, I don’t think that is too crazy to ask for.

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        meant to say by calling them crybabies… forgive me

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Fuck that. They were asked to be civil long ago, and they haven’t changed one whit. And they’re not going to change now. So… they wanted the filter gone. They got it. I don’t care if it hurts their wussy little heads.

        And yes… it is crazy to ask for. I know this because I was once that kind of crazy.

        It’s kinda cool we can still talk about this kind of stuff here. It’s too bad all that will change once net neutrality disappears.
        http://fortune.com/2016/11/10/cord-cutters-trump-net-neutrality/

        -or-

        “We see a stronger U.S. economy and less regulation as good for bigger technology companies,” Kessler wrote in Nov. 15 report. “In particular, we think easing or eliminating net neutrality would favor the biggest and best-capitalized companies able to most easily pay for faster and better access, and provide competitive advantages.”

        http://fortune.com/2016/11/17/president-trump-apple-amazon-netflix/

        … not that I think anyone will actually break from their slumbers to read or listen to words.

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      The problem today is that anyone can say anything about anybody and if the media picks it up it becomes the truth for that day.

      He’s a racist, he’s a liar … you’re talking about Obama!

      I’m with whoever said STFU. What you say, what I say, what whiskey says, matters not.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Or “the media” can just write a story using the words and actions of the lice who said or did them.
        http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/

        I was ignorant of his and his father’s blatant racism. I just thought he was an immensely stupid and spoiled trust fund brat. I didn’t have to look far to find more in-depth stories than the one above.

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        So no. I won’t STFU… unless people stay on topic.

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    Per Eggers, Jalen Moore broke his jaw in practice today. Done for season…..luck o

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      It never ends…….
      Next week’s headline. “Entire Beavers football team goes blind from rare virus, vision expected to return in 6 to 8 weeks”.

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    Lots of random attacks lately Jack. Your ego is remarkable. Who are you too judge? I have never been to the TMZ website but using such a small window to make such a substantial judgement is narrow minded. Way off point as well.maybe it’s not creditable but the source was given.Que quippy remark.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I’ll wait for you to extol TMZ’s virtues in order to back up everything you just said about my narrow-mindedness. If you can prove its value as a creditable news source, I’ll listen. Hell, if you can prove that it’s better than anything else Time Warner owns, that would be news to me.

      You can also point out any of these random attacks. I don’t think I have any posts lately that aren’t a direct reply to topics and demeanors already in existence. Are you saying nobody should call anything out? Do you think calling something or someone out is an attack?

      With words.

      I see the whiny sensitivities of America still exist.

      Don’t make dumb off-topic posts (or in this case link to junk sites), and these stupidities will not ensue. Do so, and you know exactly what you’re going to get. Go ahead. I’m easy, and this is even easier to do. I don’t care either way.

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        Whiny sensitivities, lol. I go to this site for enjoyment. Not for the rants of a liberal, unemployed, egotistical bitch. If love to show to how sensitive I am in person

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          Right.

          Whose whiny bitching spurred this exact sub-thread, little man?

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          I’d actually love to see Jack’s tax records…. see just how smart of a guy he really is.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Cause that’s not weird, at all….

          • Jack Jack says:
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            It’s not like I’m running for POTUS… oh… wait.

            How do you glean my intelligence from my tax records? Wouldn’t that be more an indication of my CPA’s skill than anything else?

            It’s funny you mention paperwork. I have nothing but three months of it to do right now. It’s also funny how that happens to align with hoops season every year. I don’t know how that worked out.

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        Can I stop waiting now?

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    Since we’ve gone to the “wide ranging topics” mode, there is this which may actually be of value to some here:

    “A rare bile duct cancer that may be linked to time served in the Vietnam War is quietly killing some former soldiers. The disease can be caused by liver flukes, a parasite found in raw or undercooked fish that is common in parts of Asia. Some veterans are fighting for the Department of Veterans Affairs to recognize their disease as service-related so they can receive benefits, but most claims are denied.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/15/vietnam-war-veterans-attacked-by-rare-cancer-linked-to-liver-flukes/

    • scotty says:
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      Sad that the country only pays lip service to veterans. Maybe they should have tried getting their issue linked to being not white or not straight where possible. Then the media and Obama administration would have been all over it.

      Gotta work within the system.

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        Because gays and minorities receive special treatment from the government that us straight white guys don’t?

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          The priority should be veterans………period. Obama was hammered from both sides to fix the VA about 2 years ago, and didn’t.there is still a mile long back log that hasn’t shrunk since that time. But he did make sure trannys can piss in whatever bathroom they choose. So there’s that.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            HR 466
            HR 1168
            HR 1171
            HR 1172
            HR 1293
            HR 1803
            HR 2352

            1293 really really pisses me off because it hasn’t been changed in 24 fucking years. For those keeping score, that was back when the GOP figured active duty pay was also as good a political football as pissing on vets and telling them it’s trickle down theory… and some of them (and you) buying it.

            But the GOP can eat shit and die the same deaths they made my friends and family die just because they treat vets they do. We won’t go into how they hate active duty personnel just as much unless they can hang a flag on their woodies.

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            Ok…….did the GOP make doctors and administrators falsify veterans records to show compliance to VA rules? Like the last time this came up 2 years ago? Your hero Obama sure fixed it didn’t he? Oh wait he was busy golfing to give a shit.
            Oh and the reason those bills didn’t pass is because of Finestein didn’t bring them to a vote and passed them back to the veteran affairs committee…….which I think she was on and I’m sure Wyden was on it also. Did you call Wydens office and bitch at him? But way to pass the buck to the GOP.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            There is no fucking buck to pass because the god damned GOP will not pass it if it makes Obama look good.

            Obama’s not my hero. He could have rammed through real and lasting health care when he had the chance, but he chose to go with Romneycare instead. And it was evident he would do this as early as the summer of 2008. But you digress… yet again.

            The bills I listed were all killed by the GOP. And I haven’t updated that list in years. If any action (like sending them back to committee) occurred, it was because the GOP invoked cloture. Did you not follow any of the links giving you quotes by Sessions et al?

            Why am I asking? Of course you didn’t.

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            *Dems couldn’t invoke cloture

            I shouldn’t be too hard on the GOP as a whole. It was only their Senators who killed bipartisan House bills.

            And don’t make me defend Feinstein. I see what happened with EG&G.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            This is what has been apparent for years.
            http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/

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          I don’t know if you’re lumping me in there with “us straight white guys” but that would be incorrect. And we’re talking veterans here.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Maybe they should have tried getting their issue linked to being not white or not straight where possible.

            That’s you talking veterans… here. I see how in-depth you are, talking about the real issues… not paying lip service.

            Golly!

            I wonder how anyone would be confused about that?

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            In conclusion, the only way the GOP was ever going to do anything for vets had nothing to do with you assuming that there are no minorities or gays in vet ranks. The only way they were going to do anything for vets was if they weren’t vets at all… or so it seems by their deeds.
            http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/support-the-troops-the-top-7-ways-the-gop-has-turned-their-backs-on-veterans/

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            *you did say “where possible”

            I missed that. But the next time I see one of these self-righteous chickenhawks who blames Obama for the GOP’s misdeeds working in a soup kitchen serving homeless vets, it will be the first time.

            Oh… wait… second time…
            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/charity-president-paul-ryan-did-nothing-at-soup-kitchen-photo-op/

            I never did understand how he got callouses when he was young and washing dishes. I washed dishes for three years, and that removed a lot of the callouses I got from my day job at the time.

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            Don’t worry, Jack(s). I’m fully aware just paying vets lip service is a bipartisan phenomenon in government.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You sort of have a point there.

            But as much as I’m at odds with Obama’s stated policies (not the hysterical imaginations of the GOP strawmen of Obama) he has just been hindered at every turn by a spiteful group of lizards with forked tongues. I can’t imagine what the weak of mind would say about the Dems if they did the same to any GOP prez. I know I would be screaming at a different party. But I get the feeling you would heartily be on the same side you are now, blindly screaming at one party just because.

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            No “blind screaming.” My point is that Obama’s priorities generally begin and end with racial and sexual minorities. Could probably add religious minorities to that list. Everyone else like a group largely of white dudes like Vietnam veterans, be damned. They don’t really matter to him, and looking at how Hillary basically ignored rural America, they didn’t matter to her either (except as a target for scorn, blame, and ridicule.)

            The good news is that with Trump as president, rest assured we will end up with plenty more lipservice. Maybe even twice as much! Oh boy!

          • Jack Jack says:
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            My point is that Obama’s priorities generally begin and end with racial and sexual minorities. Could probably add religious minorities to that list.

            No… they don’t… unless you’re thinking that equality means something different than equality. But that would be blindly screaming what the propaganda tells you to scream day in and day out.

            I won’t defend HRC at all. Obama, at least, is worth defending as a man and a pol, no matter his policies. HRC is just Ronald Reagan making fun of a different group of people… except he probably had more baggage when he was elected.

            But I will say that she didn’t just ignore rural or homogenous groups. Her center-right policies have been implemented for over 35 years in this country, and people could see it because she didn’t pay lip service to those who she would have vote for her. She seriously thought everyone who had so little mental capacity that they believed a fucking word out of King Birther’s mouth deserved derision.

            And she’s not wrong in a holistic sense. But she was also stupid enough to think she could run for office and make fun of people without them noticing? After the Bernie Bro fiasco, I wasn’t going to give her any platform in my head. Trump just never earned one. In fact, he went from being someone who bilks workers and doesn’t pay his bills, instead going to court not to pay what he owes, to a seriously laughing matter. But I still didn’t say anything real about him before the election because he’s such a dumb, cheating, lying fucker that anything said by me would be lumped in with HRC-speak.

            But I’m free to do so now. The Comedian in Chief is in the house. Let the bilking of America begin.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?_r=0

            You just can’t make this shit up.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            And stop pretending that vets are homogenous white dudes. They’re not. That’s an immense insult.

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            I never said or pretended they were homogenous. I said Vietnam vets are largely white. Any quick search for the stats will tell you ~85+% of men serving in that war were Caucasian. All races’ contribution is important, but that doesn’t change the factual demographics. Vietnam vets are mostly white dudes.

            Stop throwing tangents and strawmen around, Jack.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You’re making the same mistake you have always made here. You’re making the same mistake HRC made with the Bernie Bros and blue collar workers. You’re breaking it down to one group and speaking for them as if a majority or minority is or will be affected by this or that.

            Equality is just equality. And all policies affect these subgroups the same regardless their personal demographic outside whatever subgroup we’re talking about. All vets are affected the same by this negligence of playing political football with them. Our infrastructure sucks in every corner of our country because one political philosophy has a utopian vision where the people who use and abuse and leave in ruin that infrastructure will take it upon themselves to fix that infrastructure with all the jobs they create and all the taxes they don’t pay… because subsidies are returned at 21,000% the rate of lobbying costs… because of who you send to Congress.

            If you feel underrepresented and you are even a little cynical, you can only come to the conclusion that it’s us against them, and those who bring the pork home are the evil ones? Why isn’t it that your representation sucks and/or has sold you down the road for his or her payday, and s/he doesn’t even have the decency to throw you a bone?

            You’ve said it here. Do it for the vets, not just the ones you think are being damned. Every single one of them gets damned, not just the ones you want to talk about. It has nothing to do with demographics on the micro level and everything to do with the macro.

            I hope they do what’s needed now that they can take the credit. It will be cronied, inefficient and scandal-ridden like most other GOP ventures… and any ventures involving Dems who are also flat-earthers. You think the VA paperwork stuff is new? Problems that never get addressed are supposed to clear themselves up because of what? The market the VA is expressly forbidden by law from participating in?

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            Other than the words you keep trying to put in my mouth, I don’t think we even mostly disagree on this issue. Our disagreement seems to stem from my strong suspicion that if the Vietnam veterans were 85% African-American instead of 85% Caucasian, Obama would care more. Neither of us can prove that either way, but the Democrats’ rhetoric and even campaign strategies indicate they don’t really care about white guys, except as a target for blame and demonization. Maybe if the other 15% was more vocal or visible (not blaming them) there would have been some actual care from the administration. Yes, slightly tongue in cheek here.

            I used to be a strong Democrat, but the way they have treated half my racial makeup and my gender, among other things, have played a big role in pushing me third-party and away from that part of the political spectrum.

            I want leaders who will fight for all Americans and recognize people’s struggles, paying attention to more than simple majority/minority status. It’s hard to find, and this election didn’t give us great choices, that’s for sure.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            … my strong suspicion that if the Vietnam veterans were 85% African-American instead of 85% Caucasian, Obama would care more.

            He wouldn’t.

            Neither of us can prove that either way,

            Correct, you can’t prove a negative. But we can take the lawmakers at their words and gauge their actions accordingly, which is what I’m doing. Changing the personal demographics only makes it more likely that Obama would what? Not get anything done like he’s allowed to do now?

            … the Democrats’ rhetoric and even campaign strategies indicate they don’t really care about white guys, except as a target for blame and demonization.

            This is the point I’m trying to make. I won’t defend HRC’s tactics because I lived them too. But where she failed is precisely where you’re failing. Obama understood inclusion and equality, even if he did move right of center before he even became prez. Pandering to specific demographics within a group is just that, pandering.

            Remember when I told you that the Bernie Bro phenomenon wasn’t just disenfranchised white males? Well neither are your disenfranchised white males just disenfranchised white males. But you don’t seem to be able to move beyond that even if you know deep down it’s true. I don’t blame you for that. I blame the hucksters who played you against someone just like you but looks different than you or lives in a different region. Minorities have left their liberal intuitions behind and traded equality for the more conservative ideal known as identity. And why not? Those who don’t have power/money/whatever learn how to accumulate and keep these objectives from someone.

            So let’s take it to the extreme and just make it about race. Let’s go after the separatists. They’re supposedly highly conservative. What if we break them down along racial lines? Are the Nation of Islam liberal because they’re black? Or are they conservative because they’re separatists? That’s the difference in our points of view in a nutshell. If you look at it from an equality standpoint, you can’t think anything but the latter. If you’re stuck listening to hucksters telling you what to think of people based on their identities, then you believe the former… for no good reason whatsoever.

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            You’re putting words into my mouth again and erroneously assuming opinions. Not worth the arguebeavs.

            I do respect your opinion overall, though, nutty a poster as you often are 😛

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I’m saying that bringing up race at all is an insult to anyone who knows policy and wants equality. I feel like we’re arguing this:
            http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/09/romney_s_47_percent_vs_obama_s_cling_to_guns_or_religion_which_gaffe_is_worse_.html

            Guess who pounced on only the guns/religion/anti-immigration part in order to play identity politics with her would-be supporters? She sowed those seeds and just had her only harvest. But the GOP also sows these seeds, and they won with the the biggest Johnny Haterseed of them all.

            The truth is that the same jobs are never coming back to those sectors. But there are new sectors to add if the people would hire someone who would give them the power of knowledge, not pretend to empower them with fear.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        The only way Obama was going to get the GOP to do anything for vets is if he came out one day and said they all deserve nothing and no healthcare… and they certainly shouldn’t be compensated for all our government’s experimental warfare methods that at varying times irradiated or poisoned or just straight up killed our own.

        And even then I think the GOP would pause for a long time before they did anything for vets. But it would be opposite of what Obama wants… so they would do it.

        Gotta work within the system.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Louisville going down tonight. Petrino is a slime ball, so all good. They are now out of the playoff.

  • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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    Apparently this person doesn’t read this site

    https://twitter.com/TFLN/status/799462386461601792

    • scotty says:
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      Let’s be honest, who wouldn’t get freaked out by Jack stalking him?

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Well that sent me on an interesting journey….. Things I’m doing wrong in bed, to GFLN sweaters, to ….

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Sounds like duck Pharaoh Brown is in trouble now, for violence over the past couple of years.

    We keep losing guys to injury and oregon keeps losing guys to legal trouble. Civil war is truly going to be a war of attrition.

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      Yeah, war of attrition. That’d be the fault of Bush or the GOP, just ask Jack.

      Sorry I posted the excerpt from the Mercury News above. I should have just said something like, “If you’ve eaten fish in SE Asia which wasn’t fully cooked, EVEN IN THE LAST 50 YEARS, you could STILL be at risk for liver flukes.”

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        How is Das Boot?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        That’d be the fault of Bush or the GOP, just ask Jack.

        Source?

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Oh wait… you’re asking me.

          I don’t have any such sources to link. Frankly, the connection is beyond ludicrous. And the suggestion that I don’t back up what I say with at least half credible sources (by, admittedly, the big bad “media”… who writes wurds and stuff) when on the fly is just more dissonance on your part.

          Wake up dudes. If you don’t realize that everything you’re complaining about is about to get 100 times worse because the keys to the country were just given to a grifter, you’re in a deep deep bunker… probably with enough buckets of cheese balls to outlast any fallout.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            I heard this same shit in 2008. But grifter was community organizer. And……….here we are again.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Did they also cite the community organizer’s pending fraud and racketeering charges… and six bankruptcies that bilked thousands of trades and vendors… and lenders as well… which led to him being beholden to foreign interests for capital?

            Is that what you heard?

            Or did you hear about Honolulu magically turning into Nairobi… which was apparently a part of the Republic of Kenya three years before the Republic of Kenya existed… while some orange dildo was holding up some piece of paper and screaming all these “facts” as they were proven on this very piece of paper he was holding up?

            Is that what you’re hearing right now?

            Cognitive dissonance.

            You wonder why people make fun of you… if you feel like one of the idiotic wusses who this all applies to? It’s because you can’t even get past this to see that the real problems you do have are rooted in the policy you don’t read because you’re stuck on this baloney.

            … not that propaganda and programming is or ever will be a thing… ever.

            And you’ve managed to paint yourselves into a corner. If he’s impeached or can’t serve his whole term, the ass isn’t the only place the GOP will be fucking us.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Shall we go look at what Mitt Romney said about Trump earlier this year?

            We get a chance to see what kind of integrity Romney has now.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Trump: What did you mean when you said “His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University”

            Romney: Did I say “worthless”? I meant “priceless”, really I did. Can I have a job now?

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      Nall Out War.

      Nothing “Civil” about it.

  • JacksAngryVagina says:
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    *Belch*

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Word is “they” want people bickering/fighting with each other, that way “they” can get away with “it”. And we’re stupid enough to go along with it (this is another it).

    Based on what’s going on my conclusion is the American people are doomed and we deserve what we’ll be getting.

    BWDIK

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    What’s the word on Hodgins? Do we have a chance?

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I’ve seen almost all positive signs today for OSU.

      Also, have seen several nebraska fans tweeting that they’ve already heard its osu. “Didnt need him anyway” type of stuff.
      All rumor, and its too bad theyre trying to spoil the kid’s moment, if its true.

      https://twitter.com/huska08/status/799659042738151424

      https://twitter.com/rhuskerh_bob/status/799647339891847168

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Meh… just because everyone knows you’re engaged doesn’t mean the wedding can’t be nice. It sort of takes the edge off the “foogin hat party kids” sentiment. But it also sort of puts an orange polo on him.

    • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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      Seen a lot of current beaver commits sending him tweets. They’re either working on him, or know he’s a commit.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Thanks guys, I too have been seeing the positive OSU tweets going around. Here’s to hoping.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Luton update, 3,143 yds 34 TDS and counting after 10 games. Sound solid to OSU still:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/11/jake_luton_oregon_state_beaver_2.html#incart_river_index

    While the level of competition is cause for pause, his physical attributes and apparent learning are encouraging.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Should have posted link to stats too:

      http://www.cccaasports.org/sports/fball/2016-17/Conference/National_Northern/players/jakeluton5l20

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Cali JC is pretty good football. Lots of true D1 prospects who couldn’t make the grades in high school and most likely won’t make the grades in JC either. Lutton is in a unique position because he already made it to D1 then backtracked.

    • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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      How is his mobility on a scale of Mariota to Mannion?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        If Mannion is 1, Mariota 10, probably 5.5. I think he can move a little, particularly if he came from an offense where previously he had to keep the ball and run some times.

        Again, I like either the Luck or Dalton attribute of throwing first, running to move the chains, keep the D honest and off balance. I hope this kid could move at least as well as Dalton did at TCU.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      His Comp% is up to 64% in conference which I would consider what you need to minimally have in the Pac-12. But is TD – Int stat is really good which leads me to believe that he either (1) throws the ball away a lot or (2) puts it where only his guy might be able to catch it. That’s my orange colored glasses view of it anyway.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Since he commited, he’s been getting better every week.

        • JockItch JockItch says:
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          He’ll be made to fight for 3rd string with McMaryion….

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            No no no, he’s a GA recruit……..automatic shot at starter. In fact I’m suprised he hasn’t been named the starter already.

          • JockItchih ye JockItchih ye says:
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            Oh yes ….can’t wait for the four quarterback system of Garretson, Blount, Collins, and Luton. What Garretson can’t do with his legs, Blount will do with his mind, Collins his jumps, and Luton his arm.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You’re missing one more for spring ball and another for the fall.

            I’m just in wait and see mode at this point. Our team has shown that they can be a good team this year, but a lack of talent just leads to us getting beaten up. Come back next year healthy, smarter and with more depth, and even QB issues shouldn’t be able to hold the whole team back.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I think you’re right. I’m being proven wrong by Mariota in the NFL right now. I thought he would get a couple years of decent play before defensive coordinators could write a book on him. Then he would fall apart like almost all the other QBs from those systems. I thought Newton would break the mold because of his size. I don’t know if that’s going to happen anymore. But Mariota seems to be using his head more and his feet less. And he was always good enough to not turn the ball over too much. If he can settle into 25-30 TDs and about half that in INTs while operating an offense that can run the ball, he could be on the level of similar QBs. I would say he has the makings of a Donovan McNabb type career. I wouldn’t call playoff wins, but Mariota has always had that “it” factor. So I wouldn’t put it past him to do just a little more under pressure and turn that kind of career into an Eli Manning type career with the organization strengths he benefits from.

        Back on the college level, having a QB comfortable enough with this gadget system is most important. We’ve discovered that it can’t be run by a QB who only runs or only throws… or who can do neither at times. Just put the ball in the spot where the D isn’t, and let your playmakers go get it. If you can get that down, you can look like you’re toying with a D… especially a Banker D.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I guess I should ask:

          If Newton peters out and his career ends prematurely (or on schedule according to how he’s played the game up to now), would he be considered a successful NFL QB?

          • marcodg marcodg says:
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            I think being named league MVP and leading your team to the Superbowl would automatically put one in the successful category. Longevity can also put you there, but maybe on a separate axis.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            That’s what I was wondering. It’s possible he has one amazing year and flashes out. I was wondering if he’d be tossed to the scrap heap like a so-so QB who has won a SB.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Sprague on the radio saying we are an McM injury away from burning Morans redshirt. Apparently Blount has an injured hand, and with Collins illness, we’re out of options. Would suck to have to waste that redshirt with only 2 games left.

    • ean says:
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      He must not be that good if the staff is considering burning the RS for 2 games.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Blounts hand injury shouldn’t stop him from handing the ball off should it?

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Sprague said the injury is bad enough that he can’t hold the ball in practice

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