Would Les Miles be able to flip multiple big time recruits out of the gate if he were hired before Dec 1?
I almost would rather gamble on Les Miles giving his last best shot for 5 years than Russian roulette of P5 coordinators as HC.
If he can bring quality coaches, beyond a good ole boy network, with a lot of SEC high school connections ala Telly Lockette, then maybe that is the biggest hurdle addressed. Recruiting the d-line/o-line has always been the challenge. I like to think he has some moxie as the Mad Hatter, and can win big outside of Saban looming at the end of each season. He would make OSU interesting and relevant on a national scale like Leach, without the wierd comments. Personality/winning/recruiting and believing he can win sould sell me if he has a staff ready and able to recruit west coast/Texas/Deep South. I like the idea of Les Miles.
I’m warming up to the idea of Les Miles, and by all accounts his candidacy is gaining momentum. Unless OSU can hire someone with a distinctive identity (I would have said “brand” but that is a UO trope but in doing so I end up sounding like Riley) then we might as well stick with Cory Hall. By my reckoning there’s only three such candidates out there now: Neuheisel, Chip and Miles.
I applied to the Duck job when it opened after Chip left. I’d prefer working at Oregon over OSU. But I think I’ll throw OSU a bone and try to help them out this time around. Will they seize opportunity when it knocks? Probably not!
He backed his way into a NC shortly after Saban left, and then produced inconsistent teams with one of the two or three teams that can go toe-to-toe with Alabama athlete-wise. No thanks, from my perspective.
Yeah you’re insane if you’d rather have some coordinator from fuck knows where or Wilcox who has a whopping 6 games on his resume. If Miles wants the job you pay the man.
I had the same thought….. if a truly proven coach like Miles wants the job you pay the man and hope he makes it all worth while… keep Hall in some sort of assistant role wth the thought that he can learn the job…. then after Miles retires he is ready…. in the mean time OSU makes a giant splash of of a hire…. answer me which OC or D.C. that has been mentioned for our job would have as much clout going into a recruit’s living room….
And can you imagine a guy like Hall that’s hauling in pretty decent commits as an interim coach after a couple of years of learning the ropes under a guy like Les Miles? I mean seriously I have to give it up for Coach Hall, what could he realistically be selling these kids? I hope for his sake that Barnes has guaranteed him that he’ll be on the new staff no matter what. Dude deserves every bit of it.
All the Miles critics act like winning 75% of your games is easy. There are plenty of coaches with blue chip talent that can’t win consistently the way Miles did at LSU.
Just look at Florida, USC, UCLA, Texas A&M, and Tennessee as programs that have been “inconsistent” with regular top 10 recruiting classes.
It’s not that ridiculous.
A lousy Pitt team upsets #2 West Virginia knocks them out of the BCS championship game.
If not for that loss, Miles would have been hired as the coach at Michigan. A two loss SEC team, LSU, is put in the game. He wins and can’t leave LSU. Michigan makes one of the stupidest culture non-fits and hires Dick Rod. That’s like him being hired at Stanford.
Bo Pelini turned his great LSU D into the HC job at Nebraska.
For the record, I believe that Bama championship appearance was undeserved. They had their chance to beat LSU in the conference slate, and they couldn’t get it done. The NCG was almost a foregone conclusion since it’s nearly impossible to beat the same opponent twice when so much was expended to win the first time. That NCG told me that championships don’t matter.
With the “play-off” limited to four teams, let alone two, a conference championship should be the first requirement to be in it. Otherwise, it’s just a joke.
Not sure if anyone here actually remembers the 2007 season. The most tumultuous season probably ever in college football. Oregon would have won it with all their injuries, until Dixon went down. Think Cal was number 1 or 2 at some point. So was USF. LSU won it with two losses, saved by an over the head toss from the holder on a fake field goal.
Just learned that Led Miles has a weekly podcast called “Lee is More”
I might have to listen to it a little tonight to get to know our future head coach.
It’s easy. Some crazy in game decisions. When they worked it was great and when it didn’t he was an idiot. That’s how he got the nickname the Mad Hatter. The QB development was always the issue his last few years.
There is a six degree separation with OSU. Steve Kragthorpe’s son Dave was hired by Miles to be his OC and get their QB/ passing game up to snuff, but he was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease and had to step away. He is still at LSU in some administrative capacity, so Les could get the skinny from him. Dave has an MBA from OSU.
Somebody on AB the other day posted an article about Miles and his desire to get back into coaching.
In it, he talked about recruiting being the thing he misses most about the job.
To me, if a veteran coach, with a 75% winning percentage( over 2 stints and 15 years), who loves recruiting, possessing a national championship ring says he wants to coach at Oregon State, I’m doing everything I can to make him feel at home.
Hell, the recruiting piece alone sells me on him. Our biggest obstacle at OSU is playing with a less athletic/talented roster than most of our opponents. Why wouldn’t we want a guy who enjoys recruiting and isn’t afraid to roll up his sleeves to get the job done?
He is the only name dropped so far that gets the fan base immediately engaged and puts Oregon State on the map as far as national exposure. Hiring Miles would be comparable to hiring Dennis Erickson back in ’98. That’s how you resurrect a program on life support.
Holy crap, we already have had our team slogan ready to go for years.
Doing more with Les at Oregon State.
It’s been right there in front of us for decades
It’s worth it to try to hire him, but they should get it done before the axes start to fall. Otherwise we get sent to the back of the bus. The recruiting angle is not a complete slam dunk.
Funny, was just trying to explain the situation to my lady and said it’s most comparable to DE.
Agree, old coach with titles who is a bit of a retread yet still might have something left in the tank. I’d take a shot, but I really don’t know about the cultural fit. He’s a winner surrounded by so many losers…
The issue with Miles will be recruiting. His name will open some doors, but the reality at LSU is that the majority of the players were in state kids who grew up dreaming of being a TIger. Cherry pick a few others from Houston and the rest of the SEC footprint. Can he convince high level kids from that area to go to the NW?
Those kids have mostly grown up wanting to be quacks. Another limit I forgot. Only one P5 program in Louisiana. Exponentially more talent in that state as well.
Most people think where they grow up is paradise. I spent four years in the Navy on the MS gulf coast. They think the same about anything north of I-10.
Miles had a reputation with the media as being eccentric and I don’t know how that lines up in a very conservative community like Corvallis. He’d only be here for 2 or maybe 3 years like Erickson was until the next best thing opens up…
then we’d be right back to square one. Beavs program needs stability and I don’t think miles would bring that to the beavs….plus you’re going to have to cough up big money mot only for him but his assistants. Would miles hire Majorca big splash for the beavs….sure, but how long would that last…..again, the beavs need stability and continuity in the program….beau Baldwin has more upside than miles does IMO.
Right now, I think many beaver fans would accept a 6-7 win season over a 1 or 2 win season which is where we’re headed. Don’t confuse consistency with continuity…continuity with the right coaching staff has a better shot at consistently winning than consistently having a revolving door with your coaching staff. Les miles would likely be a short term solution to a long term problem and would result in another change over in staff in 2-3 years especially if he turned the program around. While it was fun to watch Erickson capture lightning in a bottle for that one special season, the success was not sustained. I suspect the same would happen if miles was hired….I’d much rather see several 7-8 win seasons over a period of ten years than one great season followed by several crappy ones….besides, miles won’t be the next beaver HC….I think most realistic fans know that but I suppose it’s okay to dream….Beau Baldwin might not be a splashy hire but he produced high powered offenses at EW, developed some good QBs, is a west coast guy with solid recruiting and a winner…I think he’s the right guy for the job bit only time will tell.
Nebraska week here. My Retro Benny flag should attract Huskers aplenty.
Any questions for TPB’s? I wish I would have recorded my brothers prediction of a 10-2 season!
And Lee jumping to the NFL after one year.
Two years ago I got lots of questions about Riley. I imagine now I will hear lots of bitching LOL.
That said, they will probably win. Our QB situation makes DG seem like Joe Montana.
Miles may be their backup if Frost turns them down.
He won’t listen to his little brother. I tried to warn him about the INT fest that was coming.
He still can’t accept that they are a mediocre football team.
Was entry’s Lee Miles info on Nov. 3rd the main leak related to Miles having interest in the team, or were there others reporting it?
I just find it funny that Kevin Hampton says a “source” has confirmed it, and suddenly people start believing it. Like in this tweet from Brendan Slaughter
I have no idea if all this Les Miles stuff has truth to it but if it does it seems like an anouncement should come November 21 the day after the job closes….compared to any of the other names I have seen around on the interweb he seems like a hard hit triple if not a home run hire…. if Barnes is not thinking he needs to lock him down before Nebraska fires Riley or before Florida calls…I think we need a new AD…. but I have been a Beaver fan my whole life and have learned to hope for the best and expect the worst so with that we will probably get the head coach from Kansas or something like that.
To reiterate from above: I really don’t know about the cultural fit. He’s a winner surrounded by so many losers…
This is my biggest concern with Les.
I still think SEC teams or others step in before us, and we don’t get him, but that would be my main concern with him. Andersen was a winner before he got here. Instead of turning the players and fans into winners he became more and more defeated/a loser, even quitting, which is the biggest loser thing to do. Miles seems a little more normal than GA, but he’s weird, and I can’t imagine he’d like being around people who make excuses for everything, poor donations, poor facilities, and players who are mentally broken. That’s a lot to fix. Even a winner might break down (Cory Hall already seems more defeated). Some fans might feel neurotic with such a winner in town exposing them as losers.
I think he could excit the big money boosters to pony over for some upgrades and is a forceful enough personality to elevate others. Hook him up with Casey. My concern would be stepping back from steak to a burger with regard to resources. He could address things to make it better, or complain about things. Does he have the drive/ energy to build something again?We had a similar situation here when we hired Tubby Smith. My friends thought I was crazy to think it was a bad hire. He underperformed at Kentucky with every possible advantage. So he will do better
with a bunch of disadvantages? It seems Miles still has the fire, Tubby was lazy.
GA did leave us some options by not taking his coin, so you have to give him credit, or a psych evaluation, for that.
Miles isn’t dumb. I guarentee if he accepts the job it’s because he’s been shown evidence of support from boosters, and enough support fo him to accomplish something great. He’s not going to spend the rest of his coaching days fighting a losing battle that will smudge his legacy.
It’s clearly time to change the culture. Hall has done a good job getting the players to compete. They just don’t have enough talent. Miles would be a good change agent. At this point, osu needs to get the ship righted quickly. Miles wouldn’t be a long term hire but he’d get the program going again.
I don’t think any sec team will go for miles. They like their coaches, new bright and shiny.
Sumlin looks like he’s going to get fired. I like him a lot, and he would be a good fit.
Can’t this be said for any weak ass coach we hire? If you don’t hire someone with a winner’s mentality then you’re hiring a loser. So we’re back chewing gum and slip n slides.
But hiring a coach with a winner’s mentality is how you change the culture. If your coach is ok with mediocre results then eventually the fan base accepts that as the norm.
I’m not against Miles. I just first find it hard to believe he wants to build OSU. I’d ask why as the first question on an interview. “Because I feel like coaching again” isn’t a great answer.
2. A lot of schools will probably be interested in him. He seems interested in several jobs.
3. The demand will drive up his cost, so we’ll be stuck with a large buyout if he fails.
4. Not sure he has west coast recruiting ties. I’m sure he has ties to the South, which would be nice. He’d have to hire great west coast recruiters.
5. Weird cultural fit.
All that said, I like him best of all the retread names. If that’s the hire I won’t be upset. It’ll be strange but intriguing.
On the first, Miles is a balanced human. He doesn’t take football so seriously that it affects his relationships. He’s a kind man who’s a little goofy. But he was always engaged when I watched him on the sidelines. I think not being a coach unbalances him because he’s conditioned himself to outreach in that way.
2. True… it could be a play for competitive bids. I’m not sure this should disqualify anyone. He’s certain of himself enough to make a go of it where he sees potential. But the eastern conferences are wary of him for these same reasons you provide, thus reducing his demand.
3. Speaks to 2. But you’re correct about the higher buyout. He’s going to come with five years and a rollover.
4. He’ll get good recruiters. He understands that side of football. One could say he might have an advantage coming to the West Coast with a set of fresh eyes. He knows how to evaluate talent, and he knows how to connect with HS coaches.
5. Back to the first point, I don’t honestly know this. All anyone at OSU wants is someone who doesn’t act above it all. He’s pretty good at enjoying the moment. And how can anyone his age not think a line in the water at least once a week is a bad fit?
“so I find it interesting that Langsdorf says how important the running game will be on the Minnesota game. What I bet we see is Minn stacking the line to prevent and stop the rushing attack (which they really don’t need to do against our pedestrian running attack), thus having Langsdorf change his play calling to predominantly passing. Then, after the game we will hear Langsdorf say,”well, Miinnesota stacked the line all day so the running game wasn’t there, So passing was open for us to do all day. If we complete passes, we win”. So we will rush for less than 100 yards and have another unbalanced offense emphasizing passsing.”
How much you want to bet that is what happens this week?
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So the “rumor” that was posted here from Twitter *could* have been due to students on campus going on social media and claiming they saw Les Miles on campus a couple of weeks ago.
However, there may be some truth to all this, because a bunch of high-level donors have targeted Miles as their #1 choice and have definitely been in the ear of the administration since the week GA left.
What about Gene Chizik? He’s the D coordinator at UNC; maybe we can steal him in a lateral move since UNC is terrible this year, and they may clean house soon. Perhaps he’ll pass on the HC position and retain D coordinator status.
I honestly can’t remember. I was just goo-goo eyeing his resume and engaging in fanciful thoughts.
It would be interesting if they did it for that. You have to appreciate someone who has journalistic standards.
There are too many reasons on both sides to say if this isn’t just him showing LSU that he’s actively searching for a job. About the only places he would really fit for a stretch run are OSU, Nebby and Arkansas. I would say aTm, but those who have been as near as he is to them would know that’s the college equivalent of working for Al Davis.
If he’s truly serious, hire him on November 21. The rebuild is in stasis right now. Having him watch the CW as a newly hired coach would be the best way for him to get acquainted with the job.
If that date passes, I wait until the day of or after the CW. If that passes without Miles, or at least a bunch of heavy breathing, he ain’t coming.
Re: Miles’s lack of west coast recruiting ties:
-He has plenty of ties in FL, TX, and LA
-The right assistants can compensate
-Keep Hall and Cokes and we’ve maintained all of our recruiting firepower
Angry and his staff of misfits:
Angry will be assistant recruiting coordinator, talent evaluator and designated QB whisperer…(according to sources close to the program) :)
Jack will be locker room discourse referee, hall monitor and generally contradict anything spoken just to keep the ball moving forward
Angry@Angry will be the voice those who may need to opine a differing view regarding strategy, recruits, coaching decisions
Nicebeaver will be the spokesman among the staff and lead recruiting coordinator
Get Beau will clean toilets daily
Beavergopher will be lead scout for all games east of Corvallis, and report back regarding all other venues outside of the state of Oregon
Silverstream will reinstate open practices for our enjoyment as local fans
Associate head coaches: bendbeaver, nicebeaver, mckalk, oneoldbeaver, Numbers
Thanks for all that you guys have done over the years for OSU athletics. SInce you have your golden parachute from OSU with a big buyout, it is now time to coast, adjust expectations immediatley, ride out a few decent years then ride of into the sunset as a crew. Well done men!
In addition,
scotty and his sunshine attitude to bring daily as practice coordinator.
Bill will be special assistant to Neicbeaver in recruiting
**And for any other long-time posters on angrybeavs, sorry if I forgot you, put in your credentials asap to Barnes and the AD office. This is in effect a class action hiring situation based on angrybeavs overwhelming influence in the process and there will be a spot for each of you on angry’s new footbal staff.
I thought I was the comic relief who makes all the obvious low hanging fruit jokes! Oh, and I give the players dating advice they’d be wise not to take :)
@ Beav in DE: Good one! Thanks I needed a laugh. Looking at the financial situation of our country and the Americans can be depressing, especially when one is trying to dodge the upcoming bullet(s) that will be coming our way.
I’m going to take a break and spend some time looking at box lunches vs McDonald’s and where they’d be stored in the Odyssey(s).
M&S: for the record I agree with you on financial conservatism, just not on HC salaries.
I think college football is in for a long, slow decline as demographics shift, not a major bust. It wouldn’t be wise to take on more debt at this point, but the debt level is manageable where it is right now.
I’m already head “play counter” on my 5th graders youth football team, can I work through his playoff games before resigning and taking this new position? Unlike my Beavs, my son’s team has a winning record and is in the post season.
Why was there a 4 week delay in posting the job opening? Wouldn’t the timeline be better to have posted it sooner and get the hiring process started quicker? Isn’t OSU required to wait for a couple weeks now?
If Miles really is interested and we hire one of these in unproven corrdinators then we deserve to loose….. even if we happen to strike it rich and luck out and they are ok we deserve to loose…. I know the argument will be money but damn it if we are going to play the game we have to pay….. pass the god damn donation cup around and get it done….and before anyone jumps me yes I donate every damn year……I have said it before and say it again if Miles wants to come here get it done….
He, the wife and the youngest son are already there. They followed along on the trip.
News tried to get a comment out of him. He just said it’s no big deal and they’ll be fine. But he’d wait to officially comment until all the details are out.
I think even LaVar knows not to fuck with the Chinese when in China.
Odd… you can’t get to it from the links here. But it’s starting to get picked up nationally, and you can get to it from their links. https://www.thescore.com/news/1417173
Has there ever been a female football coach(head coach or assisstant) at the college level?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. Pretty sure there are a couple in the NFL and several in HS.
However, he acknowledged a level of frustration with the way his three-year tenure in Corvallis ended.
The 21-year-old felt he had the support and confidence of his teammates behind him but dealt with “unclear communication” between him and the coaching staff as the Beavers sorted out their offensive identity in the third year under Gary Andersen. He said he felt led on at points before his transfer, continually told he was doing well and not to change before OSU picked junior college transfer Jake Luton for the starting job.
“I was under the impression from talking to them that I was going to be the guy going into it,” McMaryion said. “Then they kind of flipped the script on me and kind of left me out there. It was definitely harder. The timing of it was pretty difficult to make that decision if I wanted to leave or if I wanted to stay at Oregon State.”
McMaryion lost two previous starting battles and twice fell to third-string before injuries re-opened the door. Andersen did not publicly commit to starting McMaryion last November after the quarterback helped lead OSU to its first win over Oregon since 2007. The Beavers brought in the 6-foot-7 Luton and focused on improving a passing game that ranked at the bottom of the Pac-12 in consecutive years.
Still, McMaryion said he was taken off-guard when Luton was named the starter one week into fall camp.
“This is just my own personal opinion, but I didn’t think I was being outplayed by Jake,” he said. “He’s a great quarterback and brings a lot of great attributes to the team. That’s the direction they wanted to go with the program. … They didn’t think I had the ability to lead the team, so that’s just the way it works out sometimes.”
McMaryion told Andersen of his decision to transfer in the coach’s office after the team returned from its weeklong camp in Bend, a move Andersen supported. McMaryion said he did not feel he was pushed out, but felt the Beavers were shifting their style away from him.
“I think they were trying to imitate the Air Raid, the Washington State offense and they saw potential in Jake that they didn’t see in me,” McMaryion said.
The exact offensive style Oregon State looked to put forward remains unclear.
McMaryion described the differences in offensive styles between his two colleges as “night and day.” After arriving midway through fall camp, it took many late nights to get caught up on the vocabulary and concepts of a Fresno State playbook that features extensive formations and personnel groupings.
He earned playing time during the first three weeks, won the starting job following a bye week heading into conference play and said the past competitions at OSU were an advantage.
“I just wanted to get back to the basics of how it felt to really just play for other people and have the full support behind your coaches,” McMaryion said. “The kind of support I know I have with Coach Tedford or (offensive coordinator Kalen) DeBoer up here gives me the confidence to play lights out and be able to go out there and not think twice or look over my shoulder.”
He confirms what we thought: that GA fell in love with Washington State’s offense and lead McM on a bit just to keep him around in case of emergency. That’s how it looked. Luton was crap on all the scrimmage film I saw, so GA was simply forcing his will on the situation. Now he’s in an insane asylum.
“This is just my own personal opinion, but I didn’t think I was being outplayed by Jake,” he said. “He’s a great quarterback and brings a lot of great attributes to the team. That’s the direction they wanted to go with the program. … They didn’t think I had the ability to lead the team, so that’s just the way it works out sometimes.”
Replace the word “they” with “Andersen”.
Bottom line is that McMaryion was in the program for 3 years and only became a starter when injuries or stinky QB’s forced it. He remained when Kempt, Del Rio, Vanderveen, and Sanders left the program or changed positions. Do we think that Collins and Mitchell were better QB’s than McM? Or Garrettson and Blount? The coaching staff didn’t commit to helping McM. improve and he never moved up the depth chart even after attrition at the position. Lack of offensive and QB identity was a problem for Andersen.
Are you telling me I shouldn’t believe the words MM uses, that he’s not to be trusted?
All of what you say may be true. What does it have to do with anything? He’s about on par with DG–less of an arm and a much slower release, but more accurate when his timing is on. If he was our starter at the beginning of the year, we still would have had McGiven as our OC, and MM would have lasted maybe three or four games before being broken.
That is by far the simplest reasoning. We might be in a better place because it would have given Luton more time to learn the playbook and work the timing out on the field. But we would still suck eggs.
In a way, I’m glad McMaryion transferred. He’s in a better situation, and we are too. If GA had moved him to starter and OSU somehow managed to squeak out a win or 2 more this season, we’d still be a team coached by GA. No thanks, I’ll pass. Time to start a new chapter.
Can someone confirm the timeline on MM? As I recall, Luton was named the starter, and McGiven was talking in interviews about playing him and MM in situational play, working the both of them into the game plan. Was it the next day we heard MM dropped off the depth chart? I think it was the day after that he transferred, which would be precisely why he dropped off the depth chart.
Regardless, he quit. I don’t know why we spend any time on him. It’s not like we don’t have anything else going on.
I remember Luton being named the starter (although practice reports had both MM and DG outperforming) and McG was saying MM and DG would be battling it out for the backup spot.
I don’t think MM even knew if he would be 1st off the bench, even though by most in person accounts (by fans and players) MM was playing the best.
I remember practice reports being that DG was a distant 3rd to the other two who were pretty equal.
I recall Luton getting the nod on a Tuesday. Then I recall GA saying something about both MM and DG getting a lot of reps. Then there was a McGiven video where he was talking about MM playing situationally here and there.
Then the next day MM didn’t show up for practice? And the media went all, “wait a minute, second string not decided yet.” Then MM was practicing as 3rd string. Then he was gone.
I don’t want to go back and look, because I really don’t care enough to go back and look.
That’s the most confusing article I’ve ever read. Did they have a lottery for a chance to get in the auction? Or was there an auction to get into the lottery?
“The only reason he’s not a Badger,” LaBuda said, “is Gary Andersen.”
Okay, I can see that. Riley ignored Kellen Moore at a summer camp to chase Jake Gelakoska. It happens. But this is where I start to think people are just full of it.
But Stanley was eager to end the recruiting process quickly and orally committed to Iowa in November of 2014, shortly after his junior season ended.
Less than a month later, Andersen left for Oregon State and UW hired Chryst to replace him. Chryst tried making another run at Stanley, but Stanley remained committed to the Hawkeyes.
So Gary Andersen is not the only reason he’s not a Badger, not by a long shot. He had 13.5 months between GA leaving Wiscy and him signing a NLI. The truth is he wanted to play for Iowa.
Wait… now we don’t take what the kid thinks is best for him into account? Now we give props to someone who honors a pledge 13.5 months out from signing a NLI, let alone showing up for camp?
It’s like watching a game of pong with the logic in this place.
He wanted to go to Iowa. If he wanted to go to Wisconsin, he would have done so.
“But Andersen, UW’s coach during the 2013 and ’14 seasons, wanted a dual-threat quarterback who could run a spread attack out of the shotgun formation.”
I don’t like the idea of Les coming to Corvallis unless he fills his staff with young, talented coaches that will take the reins of the program one day. He cannot manage the clock. I also don’t like the idea of demoting Hall to DC because his fire and passion could be used elsewhere more effectively.
Personally, I like Mike Norvell. Young guy who can recruit in the south is the ideal candidate. The way his Tigers play and win games is truly entertaining, and that’s what OSU football needs.
Norvell looks good. But we’ll have to pay at least $3m plus enough to pay his buyout, and we still likely won’t get him with Arky and Tennessee wanting him.
Yeah… I’m getting the feeling we’re not going to pay for a coach.
Miles, Norvell and Frost will all command more than GA did. Norvell and Frost would come with buyouts. Miles is the only realistic one of the three because if he’s truly interested we can offer that same $3m with a graduated salary in good faith, and he can continue to receive the difference from LSU.
But I don’t see us paying much more than that. Maybe $3.5m?
Then we start talking about next level guys like Wilcox or Bohl.
I’m looking around, and I don’t think OSU gets it. We’re not a spread O school. We’re also not a pass happy pro-set. Some of our best years had good QBs and great receivers. But we were truly best when recruited personnel so that we could run to set up the pass. We had linemen who could grade roads, once upon a time. The last time we had a large collection of them was probably 2008. And even that was a couple years after we had some big trenchers on the D side.
You can’t tell me we can’t run that system and win. You can’t tell me we can’t recruit that kind of personnel to Corvallis. I’ve seen both done.
Maybe I’m just really bored with watching lousy defenses chase sub-par scrambling offenses around the field.
He’s only getting $1.5m per to watch from the TV booth. So any salary we pay will likely erase tehh LSU buyout. And it looks like they need it.
He has a half dozen good years left, most likely. Making twice what the buy-out pays to finish off his career doing what he loves wouldn’t be out of the question.
Basketball signing day. Expecting three guys. Wilson, Washington and Kelley.
None are real impact players. All need time to develop and build up the strength to play d1 ball. Kelley is a big project. Washington probably has the most potential. Wilson needs a couple years to develop.
Wilson and Washington will be good. Bigs develop more slowly, so having them around for four years would be optimal. Washington looks more likely to bug after three than Wilson would. But we will get more than role-players out of both.
This is what contending hoops teams look like. That guy who wasn’t the star on his college team can be a next level guy too. And he can be backed up by another guy who might do the same. But when you get the size and skill we’re getting with those two, you get more than roles.
But they don’t need to be impact from the beginning. I don’t see Eubanks going early because of the same scouting report these two would likely get after year 3.
Most recruiting sites rank Wilson higher than Eubanks was ranked. At least one ranks him in the top 100. Wilson committed so early that the recruiting sites basically stopped following him and he did not get any exposure from offers from more teams because he did not entertain any offers after committing.
Has Tinkle every successfully recruited a true point guard since he’s been here?
McLaughlin seems more like an off guard to me, who’s being asked to run the point. Then there was the JC kid last year, but I don’t really count JC kids since they’ll be gone in 2 or less years in most cases.
And here we are with another class with no point guard.
Is the plan just to have oversized 2 guards who can handle the ball, take over those duties? I didn’t really watch much men’s hoops last year, but from what I saw, STJ and JROC were the primary ball handlers, and neither really looked like true distributors to me.
We need a true PG for Tinks’ system to work properly. And we haven’t really had one. But it looks like Manuel might have played himself into that role. So we’ll see what the early rotation turns out to be. It would be nice to put a string of floor generals on the court for extended runs.
But those players also seem to be a lost talent. All the hype about using your handle to get yourself an open look is just dumb on the college level. Play as a team, and you can beat 80% of your competition. Too many PGs these days have a penchant for scoring rather than leadership.
WBB signed 3 today. Lost out on Rae Burrell who went to Tennessee. She would have been a huge get to an already good class. Simmons is going to be fun to watch next year. Lots of competition for guard minutes.
I have to wonder if he knew Tyner was grad transferring also. He’s probably thinking, I didn’t come here to carry the ball three fucking times a game. Thanks again, GA!
Why do they assume auto-loyalty? And why do we go from talking about Miles, an A-list coach, to talking about coordinators who should be on the bottom of our C-list? Harsin is one I always forget about. He’s a B-lister with Wilcox and Bohl.
So many people think we can just simply outsmart every other team and find that hidden gem of a coach that nobody has considered for a head coaching job. That spry young coordinator who was being held back all of these years, but will shine when handed the keys to the Pinto that is Oregon State.
If that’s the mentality, then we also need to be prepared to go into the next era of Beaver football with low expectations as we explain away every loss for the next 3 years with “he just needs to have some time to get “‘his'” guys into the system ” or “he just needs time to gel with his coordinators”
At least with a vet like Miles, you can justifiably raise your level of expectation and expect to see improvement in wins and level of play from season #1.
I just don’t have another 3-4 years of patience in me, and I’m far more patient than most OSU fans who have already tuned out years ago.
We’re Oregon State. We never outsmart anybody when it comes to football. Just go with the proven commodity.
Listening to the new Dam Podcast. They bring up the point of how Les’ offenses were at LSU, and how he had a new coordinator every year. Sounds a lot like GA.
Two ABers (including me) get questions on their podcast.
And that was the second (less successful) part of his tenure. Jimbo Fisher and Gary Crowton both had fairly long stints. Studwara only got two years, Cameron had 3.5.
Turns out you have to jump clear up to the 53 minute mark if you aren’t interested in a bunch of speculation and general BS from those two. Their non-answer to your question wasn’t really worth the wait.
So… five coaches in 16 years… Gundy for four, Fisher (who he inherited) for two, Crowton for four, Sudrawa for two (because Kragthorpe diagnosed with Parkinson’s) and Cameron for four.
That sure sounds like a new coordinator every year.
Is this the same podcast you linked last week, where everything had to be repeated three times and was meaningless in the first place? And that was just the first two minutes. I can’t imagine listening to that wandering mush for an hour.
Do any of them know that this is college football, and everything they’re making up on the fly can be refuted by documented realities that they could have looked up, probably more easily than making it up?
Funny, I almost believed it too, but after you wrote this I looked back at LSU’s wiki history(which took all of 2 minutes maybe) to see the truth is far from what Sprague was saying.
And with his final 4 full years while Cameron was OC, the team bounced around from 70th to 33rd in the nation in total offense(total yardage). Sure, that doesn’t sound amazing, but when you look at the top offensive teams year to year, they never come out of the SEC conference. It’s a more defensive focused brand over there with less up tempo to help run up the scores.
The low year in that period they averaged approx 27 ppg, and the high year was just over 37 pig
(Oregon State was much lower, in case anybody is wondering)
With a Wiki page we can put together better content than “insiders” can.
No wonder half-baked spam about unproven coordinators is thrown about as if it has anything to do with what people at the adult table talk about. I’m starting to believe we don’t even have an adult table.
Let’s just skip the discussion about who we are and what we want and who can fill those metrics. Let’s just want some coordinators from around the Pac 12 for no other reason than we want them. And if we repeat their names enough, they’ll turn into legends. Then we’ll win into forever, because we did outsmart everyone else. Absolutely nobody was looking at these guys, and now we have one.
My personal ceiling with Les in terms of a contract would be a 3.25 million average over 5 years. Also fine with a 4 year deal.
On a 5 year deal would be as follows:
Year 1…3.05 million
Year 2…3.15 million
Year 3…3.25 million
Year 4…3.35 million
Year 5…3.45 million
On a less likely 4 year deal w/ same 3.25 mil avg:
Year 1…3.10 million
Year 2…3.20 million
Year 3…3.30 million
Year 4…3.40 million
Under the later scenario you check on progress after Year 2 & 3 before offering a potential extension of 1-2 years.
Five year deal is higher probability. Under that one after Year 4 ( or possibly Year 3 at earliest) you could do a 1 Year extension if warranted.
This would be my absolute max as base salary. Would be best for OSU to keep this down closer to a 3 million average over 5 years and then reward more for Pac-12 wins.
Something around an additional 100K for every Pac-12 win after 3 Pac-12 wins. That way to get above base salary Les has to have OSU where they are basically highly likely to have 6 wins and be in a bowl. He could then make an absolute max of 3.25 mil + 200K or 3.45 million if he got 5 Pac-12 wins in his 3rd Year of a 5 year deal. If he could pull off 6 Pac-12 wins in Year 3 it would be 3.55 million under this absolute ceiling plan with incentives for Pac-12 wins.
Any richer than this and I believe OSU will fallback to a Baldwin, Smith or Sanford Jr type option.
I would offer Scott Frost the same deal as Miles. Norvell I’d only be OK with a 2.6 million average over 5 years with same incentive structure and only because he does appear to have some options. Baldwin and Smith I would package around 1.5 to 1.6 million a year max before incentives for Pac-12 wins.
You’ve really thought this through. I think OSU goes above and beyond if there are boosters willing to make it happen. Very few names are going to entice the boosters to open their wallets though. I’d love to know who those candidates would be.
Thank goodness its almost basketball season.. I’m a Tinkle fan and think he’ll get the job done.. Although I’m not a big zone guy, he’s clearly recruiting length necessary to play zone defense.. I would imagine, Coach Thompson, coming from Syracuse, is pushing the zone..
The lack of Point Guard play since Tinkle took over is a MAJOR concern.. Point Guard is only the most important position after all.. He seems pretty dialed in at all the other spots.. But this offense lacks a true play maker, somebody that consistently creates shots for his teammates..
I wonder if he’ll start the same crew in the opener as the exhibition game.. I was surprised Manual started.. He’s nothing more than a role player, spot up shooter type.. That has value but at the expense of Jaquori?? No thanks.. Jaquori isn’t a true PG either but he’s better than Manual.. Although his defensive effort is lazy at times..
This will be a much improved group if healthy though and they wouldn’t surprise me at all to finish over .500 in league play which puts you in the conversation for the tournament.. I think this team finishes anywhere from 8-10 to 10-8 in conference.
Because nobody wants to drive 2 hours from Portland for other events. Hillsboro Stadium, Providence Park, Moda Center, and Memorial Coliseum are much more convenient.
Almost 200,000 people live in the Albany-Corvallis-Lebanon region, not even counting Monmouth, Salem or Dallas. There is a huge potential to host good concerts at Reser and make good money.
Look at the attendance of the music festivals at Sweet Home and Brownsville if you want a look at the potential for music in the mid valley….as long as we are on the subject of out of the box thinking here is another idea…. the idea of having west Reser be not just a stadium but multiple use…. why don’t they attach a hotel / convention center onto it…rent out suites and hotel rooms for the all day tailgaters….. then if a person gets bored watching Les Miles and the Beavers beat the ucks for a 10th straight time…. they could go catch a nap during the second half…,
Or national sports news. Or anything from the Oregon media.
Still, what a perfect landing spot for that fucking quitter. I knew there had to be an element of a “better job” in it for him when he left and if he would have left the school on the hook while he chased his delusions of grandeur in the NFL…
Fuck GA. At least all the mistakes of the Bobby D era are officially over now. Major pressure on Barnes now to make the right call.
Freshman Kaleb Hayes has been playing QB on the scout team to imitate Khalil Tate and is apparently looking pretty good. He was a dual threat QB that was recruited as an athlete and projected as a DB.
I remember when one writer told me Nick Mitchell was the best QB on the roster…you know who. Haha. That guy had no idea how to analyze QBs.
Speaking of, Collingsworth tonight said of Russell Wilson, “He takes a while to wind up and throw..” I remember that being a big criticism of McM. And arm strength. Never saw either as an issue. Wilson winds up more than McM for sure.
You think Wilson has a middle of the road arm in the NFL? He has completed more deep passes than any other QB this year. I would say he is at the very least a top 10 arm in the league.
Arm strength is the velocity a QB can put on a ball. Completing long passes has less to do with that and more to do with timing… and some to do with your receivers’ talents. That he does it more than others means he calls that play more than others and has some of those talents and circumstances.
Of the starters:
Rodgers, Stafford, Newton, Cutler, Flacco, Brady, Osweiler, Carr, Luck, Rothlisberger, Winston, Ryan, Bortles.
From there I think he ends up in the great middle wash with arms like Prescott, Cousins, Goff, Taylor, Brees (now), Palmer (now) and Dalton. I’d probably put him between Goff and Taylor.
Should start to see some serious movement on the coaching front in the next week or so. Barnes needs to have a hire in place shortly after the civil war. Should be reaching out to candidates now.
Though if he were to make a hire before the civil war, it might inspire the players to send hall out on top.
JoeBeaver show was quite telling today. Parker and sidekick spent thre first 15 min setting up why Miles is a questionable idea and weren’t sure where Beaver fans would be on it. They took about 15 calls and all but 3-4 were in favor of Miles. Parker kept quiet until someone brought up J Smith as the favored son returning (Ugh, tunnel vision), but Parker is in love with Beau Balwin’s offense and is openly pushing for Baldwin.
The stated objections to Miles: not a NW or OSU guy, couldn’t recruit to Corvallis, too old, too quirky, and down-played the similarities to DE because of the age difference
The arguments for Smith: will be able to surround himself with the right staff and build it up (hopeful isn’t a plan category, very unproven), OSU favored son, Mike personally likes him
The argument for Baldwin: did you see that offense.blah blah. story time about EW carving Banker..blah blah…Good CEO at EW
What frustrates me is any argument for Baldwin or Smith can be made for Les Miles except the OSU guy nonsense. He wasn’t an OKSt guy but he won there, wasn’t an LSU guy but won there. Miles will have a much deeper circle of coaches to draw from as recruiters and technicians than either Smith, Baldwin.
Les Miles is the best fundraiser in LSU history. He must be convincing in the pitch room to boosters who want to win and are willing to back it up. If he can raise interest, create a national buzz, put together a great staff, recruit the entire country and get guys with west coast ties he is almost there.
The cultural fit is a goofy argument to me. Anybody moving to Corvallis from the midwest and 1000% humidity would love to be in the Willamette Valley.
I doubt that Miles is ignorant of Corvallis/OSU since he has a few connections to Mike Riley (son is a walk-on at Nebby), Kragthorpe coaching with him a few years back.
The only real cultural fit problem I could see is the OSU AD culture of loser mentality in football is pervasive. He may get here and realize that people don’t expect to win. Nor do some ever want to win, which is evident when they sabotage TV optics with 3 year old banners, for example.
I think Miles could immediately energize the donor base like DE did. Bring fresh optimism to the football program, hire a great recruiting staff with real D1/P5/SEC/PAC12 experience, win right out of the gate, start major fundraising for the west-side redo, and probably bring in the best talent in the first 2 years since DE.
Dennis Dodd sent out a tweet that OSU hasn’t contacted Miles. Hopefully because Miles has already contacted OSU. Barnes may miss a golden opportunity by playing coy. I hope Barnes is working behind the scenes and with the big time donors to this done. He has a won 70% of games coached in his career. Don’t scoff, or dismiss him OSU!
Kudos for being able to listen to the show. I used to listen online for GA’s Monday comments but between his awful sidekick, calling each other Doc, and the callers I have never been able to listen.
Did Parker say what he liked about Beau’s O? I know some have ripped him for being a one trick pony with Vern but both Riley Hennessy and the McMinville kid looked good enough to start at OSU under Beau.
His O is fine. OSU will never get the players to run it properly on this level. But it’s decent.
His Ds sucked big time. So we would have that to look forward to.
I don’t get the thinking on this one. Miles should be at or near the top of any list we make. Beau shouldn’t even be on it. But if he is, he should be somewhere around #30 on the list. Smith would probably be somewhere around #20-25.
So we have the culture at OSU speaking up and saying, “Miles? Meh! Let’s skip all the qualified candidates between #s 2 thru 20 and talk about these other guys… because they made Mark Banker’s Ds look bad.
Do people forget that we win that game if the refs call OPI on EWU in OT? Our not good O in a not good season racked up a ton of points on that team and should have won.
Yeah… I saw their O. I also saw no D. In the BCS, you need some semblance of a D to win. That’s not so in the FCS until you get deep into the playoffs.
And I’ll take a D like his, one that we have and can again recruit the proper personnel to run on this level.
Sorry, but Beauner’s O on the FCS level was populated by players who were great for that level. They would not be consistently great on the FBS level for a variety of reasons. The only way his O compensates for his lousy Ds is to have better players on O than anyone else has on that level f play.
Yes… Les has never proven that he can run a team on the FBS level. He has never fielded top Ds that work without blue chippers as well as they do without, or with developed next-level guys whose only fault is they can’t play as frosh. He’s never run a complimentary O that is better than average despite it not being the flash in the pan the modern offenses are in terms of scoring. That ground and pound O didn’t force his team’s identity to be one of solid, fundamental football on both sides, doing the basics well and letting the chips fall where they may. So while his O was maybe the second quartile, it didn’t push his D into the 90th percentile by forcing them to be sound against the basic concepts of football.
If the same can be said of Beauner:
Beua has never proven that he can run a team on the FBS level. He has never fielded top Os that work without blue chippers as well as they do without, or with developed next-level guys whose only fault is they can’t play as frosh. He’s never run a complimentary D that is better than average despite it not being the flash in the pan the modern defenses are in terms of scoring. That fluffy D didn’t force his team’s identity to be one of solid, fundamental football on both sides, doing the basics well and letting the chips fall where they may. So while his D was maybe the fifth quartile, it didn’t push his O into the 90th percentile by forcing them to be sound against the basic concepts of football.
You want a car. You have some money to spend. Les is a 2005 BMW M5 with 60k miles on one owner. He’s worn but still has tens of thousands of miles of at least 90% 2005 BMW M5 capabilities.
Scott frost is a 2015 Lexus. You can’t tell what model he is. He could be a NX, a RX, an IS250 or whatever. But what you do know is that you’ll have to pay for a LFA.
Norvell would be a 2017 Corolla that the owner can’t afford and will return to the lot with minimal miles. The more you look at him, the more you see that he’s just straight up quality, but new.
Bohl would be a 2014 Corolla lease. He’s still plugging away on the back roads like he was made for them.
Harsin and Wilcox would be Volvos, solid and owned by people who like to swerve and brake a lot.
Beauner would be the 2018 Fiat 500L Crossover. He’s got zero miles, and he looks cool. He’s also cheap.
I like this. I think if I were choosing from these cars, I’d actually go with the Norvell/2017 Carolla.
But if the M5 could guarantee I would be getting regular weekly BJs while driving around town(aka, get Reser finished), i would go with the M5.
Something tells me none of these cars are going to get me that outcome though.
I didn’t listen to the nicebeaver show, but Parker was on Brandon Sprague afternoon show yesterday for a segment
I came away with the same impression. Parker was going out of his way to talk up Baldwin and sell him to the fans. It felt like the school said
“Mike, we need you to get out and do some damage control, to soften the blow for our fans when we announce our guy Beau is the new coach”
At this point, I expect Beau Baldwin will be the hire
Here’s the download link to Parker on Sprague show. It’s fairly short with everything related happening in the first 7 minutes. Certainly sounds to me he’s banging the Baldwin drum.
I agree that it sounds like Parker is doing some public relations voodoo about Baldwin. It seems like any decision will be the wrong decision for OSU football. Maybe that is the loser mentality creeping in.
OSU will cntinue to flounder in recruiting, Pac12 presence, respect, and National exposure if it settles for a mid level/untested/coordinator without P5 experience.
I like the idea of youthful enthusiasm but not at the expense of skilled experienced leadership with a proven track record of real winning.
That show is so corny. It’s sounds like it’s out of the 1950s.
Parker is going to love PNW and OSU guys because he’s a small fish in a small pond. Suffers from small town syndrome big time.
Not that Miles is a slam dunk. In fact, I think he’s playing us to increase his demand, though he’d probably take OSU if we were his only option.
Parker is part of the problem. When things are not going well he has the “oh no here we go again” mentality when he is doing play by play. Just perpetuates the loser persona. He needed to be fired the minute he rifled done that napkin. He is also just not a very good play by play man.
He does demonstrate a very good memory (both of sports and older movies) but often tries to make it all about himself. His play-by-play offers a pretty good description of the action but, too often, degenerates into his own emotional take. Jim Wilson frequently saves his bacon in a very well mannered way.
Overall, I’ve heard a lot worse in the play-by-play arena of college sports.
And I can do without his sidekick explaining the technical difficulties involved in producing the JoeBeav show, or his experience playing Jr.High basketball.
Funny, I remember posting on here a couple years back that he wasn’t going to be here in 2 years.
He has a baby. I’m not surprised. That’s more important than playing football and I would guess living back home with family will make that part of his life easier.
Where are the Barnes in Florida rumors coming from?
Why would he hit the road to meet coaches vs having them come to Corvallis and actually see the workplace first hand? Just seems inefficient
There are Barns all over the midwest. No thanks to anyone in the state of Florida…they can’t possibly know OSU or Corvallis like our favored son, J Smith, or the offensive wizard of the red turf.
I’ll wait and see, but I’m not holding out hope that Barnes gets it right. Does he even care now that his buddy GA is gone?
It’s a conspiracy. Phil Knight is paying the media to propagate the narrative that good coaches won’t fit at OSU, and the riskiest coaches are the perfect fit.
Eggers with a piece tonight where his “source” says Miles is not a candidate for the job.
But, June Jones is.
Honestly, I would rather have Jones over Baldwin or Smith(the other two Eggers mentions)
Heck, we already have one of Jones support staff already here in Phillips
Didn’t June Jones “pull a GA” and quit SMU after a shitty start to their season a few years back? Left the cupboard bare and was disinterested in recruiting?
Eggers, Parker, Schnell, Goe, Canzano, Moran, Horowitz all on record for not wanting Miles, and not thinking that Les Miles is interested or would want the job.
Weren’t they all on record as the “Be careful what you ask for by getting rid of Mike Riley.”?
Nauseating narrow view of the world by the local media types. Boring, lazy and predictable.
In retrospect, they were technically right. Riley was better than GA in most areas.
I still think GA could have been great if he had any sense with QBs, because he brought in better athletes than Riley. He was just more of a headcase and not as good a talent evaluater with that one [QB] position. Also he had less patience than fans and no vision, constantly changing his mind.That’s the difference for him. If he didn’t have those flaws he could have won 6 games this year and been right on course.
Miles is playing OSU for a pay raise somewhere else, IMO.
GA would have been successful if he didn’t try to convert OSU to the spread O. I said years ago that OSU would come around to doing it on the back end of its effective era. We would be late to the party, and everyone else would eat our lunch because of it.
We have an identity as a blue collar ground and pound school with a hard-nosed D. When we stray from that, we look like we did for the last eight seasons. It has little to do with not playing this 4/10 QB over that 5/10 or that 4/10 or that other 3/10 QB. You can make an argument that we never had any QBs over 5/10 on campus. That would speak to recruiting and evaluation. But you can’t make the QBs who left better than they are. And you certainly can’t say they would be anywhere near what their current images are if they stayed and played for Kevin McGiven.
That’s not even a leap in logic. That’s setting logic aside so you can go write a fairy tale ending instead.
With different climates you would expect the home team to do well, but from
2004-2012 the visitor had been 7-2 with 6 outright upsets. The last 2 have
been blowout wins for the home team with Arizona winning 44-7 at home in
2015 and Oregon State winning 42-17 last year. This is Arizona’s final home game and
teams playing with revenge the year following one of Oregon State’s rare Pac-12
wins are 5-0 and won all five by more than Las Vegas expected. Oregon State is
playing with more emotion for their interim head coach, but last week were
whipped by California on the road 37-23 being outgained 475-299. Arizona is
averaging 130 yards more than their opponentss normally allow in Pac-12 play. Oregon
State is allowing 501 yards per game, 4.6 yards per carry rushing and 71% completions on the road.
ARIZONA 49 OREGON STATE 23
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State QB/WR vs Arizona DB’s: ARIZ +0.50
Oregon State RB’s vs Arizona LB’s: ARIZ +0.02
Oregon State OL vs Arizona DL: ORST +1.05
WHEN ARIZONA HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State DL vs Arizona OL: ARIZ +2.94
Oregon State LB’s vs Arizona RB’s: ARIZ +2.95
Oregon State DB’s vs Arizona QB/WR: ARIZ +1.86
ORST Total Points: 1.48
ARIZ Total Points: 11.32
Positional Edge Awarded To: Arizona by 9.84 Points
Las Vegas Line: Arizona by 22.5
Las Vegas Total: 71.5 Points
+/- Ratings: Arizona by 21.0
Game Grade: Arizona by 22.4
Computer Yards: Arizona 512-346
Computer Points: Arizona 46-23
Really disappointed by the names that have been dripping out recently. I guess a shouldn’t be surprised given how awful the list was last time, but you always hold out hope.
Came across this interview of Baldwin from yesterday. He mostly talks about their previous game and upcoming game. Although he’s not my top candidate by a longshot, I do get a good vibe from how he interviews. Seems pretty detail oriented and doesn’t suffer from McGivenitis. Has a quick and thoughtful answer for everything and it doesn’t come off sounding like coach speak. Andersen also interviewed well, but always fell back on his go to cliche quotes “arms, legs, mind”,”big boy battles”, etc.
With time, I’m sure similar patterns will become more evident with Baldwin.
Towards the very end, one reporter tries to trick him into admitting that he’s interviewed already with Oregon State by basically asking if the rumors are true(about him interviewing with OSU). Baldwin smiles but says the rumors are exactly that, just rumors. Never says yes or no though. I’ll give him points for doing a nice job of dodging the question and moving on.
Give the guy some props for not being a hillbilly. He’s not.
He’s a football nerd. I at least like that about him. He says “you know” way too much. But he can speak clearly about concepts relevant to the questions he’s asked.
They could have won the big games against teams that were supposed to be like them, if your thinking is that they were elite teams. They could have sustained the loss of one player by not falling off the map, instead being a consistently solid football team.
They could have repeated that championship success, or at least gone back to the game and had a shot. As far as coaching is concerned, do you want the guy who got there once because of a fumble in the snow but never returned? Or do you want the guy who last because of that fumble and never lost again?
Both men’s and women’s team open the season today.
Women’s team in great shape. Tourney bound for sure. Top 4 finish in conference.
Men’s team has the qualities of a tournament team. Health will be the key. Can’t get tripped up too many times in non conf. Will likely need to finish above 500 on conference to make it.
No sound and no score on the screen, so hard to keep up on the score unless you also follow online. I think beav s are up 7, with the ball and 4:30 remaining
They would have been better off using a single fixed camera and the devoting their resources towards getting the audio and on screen info working. Really sloppy production.
Bears pull away in last few minutes and win 65-55.
Unrelated, I’m why does it seems like the ratio of black to white players is the complete opposite for WBB as it is for MBB?
If we end up with Baldwin, a bonus could be him enticing EWU QB Gabe Gubrud(from McMinville)
He’s been one of the top FCS players in the nation the last couple of years. Better option than Luton.
He also got busted for harassing a police officer while intoxicated last weekend, so a change of scenery might be in order.
I think Baldwin is the best fit (coaching ability, finances, west ties, etc). He’s not a lock for success, but nobody available right now is. Baldwin makes the most sense. I don’t think the comparisons to Wulff are fair…he has a much more aggressive personality and is brighter. I don’t love Baldwin, but he seems logical and a good fit. I get the downside arguments and they’re fair.
I can see your point about Baldwin but getting a big name like Miles just would be just more fun from an off season aspect. I’m not an expert in anything football but as a run of the mill fan it seems like it Miles would just bring just so much buzz about the program from a PR stand point.
Yeah, we did get burned by the perceived splash of GA. It goes with out saying but I’ll say it anyways I just hope they get this one right. With all of the buy out dodges the Beavers have gotten lucky to fall into; I’m sure a non buy-out firing/ letting go of a coach would happen for a 3rd time in a row .
We’ve been so unlucky with everything except the buyouts. It’s amazing how lucky we’ve gotten with those. Makes you wonder if fans are forgetting that because many want to go expensive…and if that dude fails, we aren’t getting away with this a 3rd time.
Nice stats. I’m drooling over that completion %….especially the 68% last year.
Even if you drop that 10% for Pac play you’re nearing elite efficiency range. Did they lose a big play WR or something? I notice the % and yard per completion both down.
Before season ending injury? Haha. Agreed.
Are they even going to win this game? I feel like they’re going to suck. I haven’t followed basketball at all and don’t even know if Eubanks came back. I guess I’ll watch just to catch up on all that.
I think they’re a bubble team if healthy. That’s a big if.
Still think lack of a true PG hurts them. They basically have 4+ 2-guards who are better than their best PG, so the 2-guards are splitting those duties. Don’t think that is a recipe for success.
Also, Kone injured his knee in the off season and Gligorije Rojocivich(sp?) broke his nose this week, so we’re missing size behind Eubanks.
Man, I don’t even know the roster well enough to say. I remember they had Stacy, who sucked (is he on the team?). Thompson seemed like the best option as a faux PG. Who are the other options? I need some education so I know what to look for tonight.
OSU men’s bball report:
Eubanks will try to dunk, pass or dribble and lose the ball 3-5 times,
Ethan Thompson will be reliable,
Steven will be the de facto PG and take more shots because of it,
Tres will be the difference between winning and losing
Jaquori might play defense this year,
Guy to watch is Xavier Smith, smooth and athletic, best guard instincts on the team
Big G will give maximum effort and be more reliable/steady than Eubanks
Reichle needs time to settle into the rotation and trust his game
They will try to run again this year, which might work until teams don’t lt them. Then they will rely on chucking 3’s to win. It may work, lots of decent shooters, whether they can break any full court pressure is the question.
Last year’s problem stemmed from lack of ball handlers leading to big turnover numbers, not much has changed, except experience and maturity I guess.
I don’t understand why they went away from the slow pace this seemed to help with there ability on D and give the team to me just a different identity that seemed to work.
“Last year’s problem stemmed from lack of ball handlers leading to big turnover numbers, not much has changed, except experience and maturity I guess.”
Not sure I agree, especially with the smaller line-up on the floor this group looks to have several ball handlers. JMO
This small lineup with Tres/Hollins/Manuel/Thompson’s is pretty fast and plays hard on defense. Fun to watch despite having 2 freshman out there.
Also nice to see Tres and Eubanks shooting free throws we’ll.
Everybody looks just a little bigger this year and less like young kids, like they have been the last couple of years.
Definitely do not want Jonathan Smith as a HC. He has called four identical counter plays from the same formation in one game and Stanford has caught on. He does not get his playmakers the ball in space.
Your stat requires that Stanford, in over 100 years of football, have only been underdogs at home seven times, according to Vegas. So we look at Vegas, where gambling has only been legal since 1931, and we see that sports books have only been legal since 1951. Does that mean Vegas didn’t have a line on Stanford games before those dates?
Anyway, I find it hard to believe you can get past the Teevens years to find Stanford losing a lot of home games in which they were the underdog.
It may not be you, if you’re not used to thinking in terms of numbers. You might be trusting a source you shouldn’t trust.
Hoops looked good. Much quicker and under control. I liked the man to man D. Ethan Thompson will be a bad ass. More confidence this year. Nice ball movement too. Not guys standing around with their thumbs in their ass.
Feel 20 points is about all OSU can produce. Offense isn’t good enough and team hasn’t had a winning road mentality since Alamo team. Don’t see the defense stopping Tate who should rush for 220 and throw for 220 by himself. Hoping the game will be somewhat watchable but if Beavs get behind by 14 or more in 1st half, I dont see that gap narrowing. Calisthenics on the sidelines isn’t going to help Oregon St win the game.
Didn’t like Eggers take that all Les talk was misinformation. Thought the GT original piece or an O article said per multiple sources there was interest expressed. Then goes on to hype a June Jones who no one wants. He did have sense to realize Baldwin checks a number of boxes for OSU. I’m not sure Les is going to have a ton of good options though so see OSU as a place that would welcome him to start Mardi Gras in Corvallis.
I see no standards for choosing the next coach. People are just throwing out names like Willy and Nilly, saying they check boxes. But there are no apparent boxes.
Recruiting would be a no. He’s from the West Coast, but he has FCS connections. So he’s good at low hanging fruit. I’d be willing to bet he’s the worst recruiter on the Cal staff.
I think he hung 50+ against UW at CenturyLink stadium. Beat OSU and WSU multple times. Won on the road in heart of ACC to open the season. 475 yards and 16 more first downs against Beavs this year. Has a consensus last place team in a bowl with one more win. Blew out WSU this year while Cougs were highly ranked. West coast ties, interviews well without just blowing coach speak.
Clearly a thinker and adapts. Also like that he does press interviews every week as OC at Cal. He has had all this year to get a current taste of what it takes to win in the Pac-12 and really know the landscape. Him making new connections in California only helps and keeping Hall on staff for further recruiting in that state sets up well.
Another box as Angry has pointed out is he can be had at a reasonable rate so OSU doesn’t overspend and take on higher risk. Short of a Frost or Miles there are few out there worth spending more on. Beavs will probably be too slow to get Norvell at a decent rate. At the right point in his career arc to make the move and give his prime years to Oregon State. Best as OC works.
Hiring a staff would be difficult with his limited connections.
Is anyone seeing why Wilcox was taking a huge chance on him, and a realistic media responded as such? I mean, he’s a nice guy who knows football and won some games in a completely different world. About the most positive comparison was the recent hire of Joe Moorhead. But he has not repeated that success.
Oregon State fans: “This may very well be the most important coaching hire in the history of the program. Oregon State can’t afford to get this one wrong”
Same Oregon State fans: ” We should hire an unproven FCS coach with limited FBS staff connections and very little Pac-12 recruiting experience. Oh yeah, and he leads one of the lowest ranking offenses in the Pac currently. Perfect fit! He’s the perfect guy for the most important hire in the history of the program because he will cost us $500K less than the next guy.”
Andersen was a bust and Beavs spent more on him. Was a little older than ideal too.
Basically OSU had 3 shells in front of them. Andersen, Baldwin and Wilcox. They had a 67% chance at a decent hire but using the thinking that spending more equals better coach and age 50 means experience they chose the dud.
Both Wilcox or Baldwin would have been vast improvements over the ineptitude displayed by GA. Only by grace is OSU out of the choker hold of GA’s contract and poorly decided extension.
You hire the best coach, regardless of age.
They’re only going to be coaching here for 4 years tops anyway. The successful coach will get poached, the loser coach will get canned.
Get the best coach who can last 4 years, regardless of age.
So we’re falling into the trap of “whatever we did last time didn’t work, let’s do the opposite!”
And where did you get the idea we only had 3 shells?
And when was Wilcox even considered one of our only 3 options last time?
We have infinant shells right now. Turn them all over and pick the best one. Not the one shell that is still there from last time because nobody else wanted it.
Baldwin is a no-go for that argument. He would not have and will not do better at OSU. He might fit at some loosy-goosy place like ASU… in about four years, once he has some experience and/or success.
just watching a little of the Nebraska/Minnesota game before heading out on errands before tonights’s Beav game. Hard to believe that the Gopher team that POUNDED the Beavs in September doesn’t even have a winning record. [Truly, if OSU hadn’t lucked out and beaten an otherwise winless (as appears to be its destiny) Portland State team, this might have been one of the most futile football seasons in not only OSU history, but in all of college football history. We came THAT close.}
And then to see Nebraska give up the opening kickoff for a touchdown that was almost uncontested just goes to show how Riley gets his teams ready to play. Not.
They just need to wait til Smiley gets his own players in the program, or was it an airport they lacked? One thing I know for certain, it’s not Smiley’s fault, he does more with less.
Guard depth is not an issue.
Length is not an issue.
Angry – Stacy didn’t even make it into the blowout. Tanner Sanders got a couple min before him.
Front court depth will be an issue against taller teams. Big g and kone will help a lot once healthy. Berger can only do 5 min of so. Max 8.
Freshman don’t play like freshman. They play with confidence. All attacked the rim at least once when the lane opened up. Reichle will need to find his shot outside to see more minutes. With the other scorers out there, most of his shots will be catch and shoots.
Jaquouri will likely be the pg. It’ll be tough transition, but he needs to be a distributing pg vs a scoring pg.
Lots of scoring options on the floor.
Defense can still be improved.
Free throws!!!! Good make %. If they finish above 70% on the year, it’ll be a good sign to make the tourney.
Drew’s FT shooting last night was an underrated weapon. When he would get the ball down low I found myself hoping he would draw a foul rather than get off a clean shot(because he couldn’t make the clean shots, and I’ll gladly trade that for 85% FT shooting any day of the week.
I was at the game (you can see me in one of the videos of Tres’ three shot, which was awesome by the way)!
I agree with everything you say above and want to add that the freshmen are going to be good. I was really impressed with Hollins’ ability to play above the rim.
The officiating last night was atrocious! Nearly 60 combined fouls were called, it was nuts! Wish there was some way to call technicals on the refs.
“There’s no reasonable reason — considering where the defensive program was at — to believe that they should be able to do everything that needs to be done in the game, to win the game”
From husker board…
“Firing Banker and hiring Diaco may have been the most significant mistake Riley has made that leads to his firing. I feel like with Banker still here, we probably win half the games we’ve lost”
Pining for Banker? You know you’ve hit rock bottom nebster.
I’m actually going to the game tonight. Probably will leave at halftime. Talked to a parent this morning who said no coaches will be back. Parent was emotional about coaches inability to see talent. Player is sticking it out, but after giving up schollIes to other P-12 schools to end up in this mess of a program, I wanted to tell them to transfer. Said the team doesn’t get down about losses anymore, guys go out to party after getting their ass kicked.
A parent of a player says that all the coaches are gone. Must be true as I’m sure all parents of players are privy to that type of information at this juncture. If that’s the case then Barnes sucks at his job. And why would recruits still be committing if everyone knows the coaches are all gone? Could be the case I guess but Makes no sense.
Point b: as a college football player which is only a couple years of your life. You get your ass kicked and embarrassed on tv. After game options:
A) go home and sulk
B) go party and try to get laid
You’re telling me the 20 years old are choosing to party? Must be terrible people who have quit trying lol
Is there anything on the internet that tracks bicycle movement? I was curious how far Smilin’ Mike has made it towards the Colorado state line by now? Chewing and pumping hard, he has to be making decent time unless someone in a ’85 Chevy Half Ton ran him over outside of Kimball.
Tate meeting Oregon State’s depleted defense is like hot knife meeting butter.
Arizona by 30
Then maybe we’ll start talking about poaching Arizona’s OC, because that seems to be the thing to do.
Apparently there are 8 teams out there who’s OC we should hire as HC…so far.
Would Les Miles be able to flip multiple big time recruits out of the gate if he were hired before Dec 1?
I almost would rather gamble on Les Miles giving his last best shot for 5 years than Russian roulette of P5 coordinators as HC.
If he can bring quality coaches, beyond a good ole boy network, with a lot of SEC high school connections ala Telly Lockette, then maybe that is the biggest hurdle addressed. Recruiting the d-line/o-line has always been the challenge. I like to think he has some moxie as the Mad Hatter, and can win big outside of Saban looming at the end of each season. He would make OSU interesting and relevant on a national scale like Leach, without the wierd comments. Personality/winning/recruiting and believing he can win sould sell me if he has a staff ready and able to recruit west coast/Texas/Deep South. I like the idea of Les Miles.
I’m warming up to the idea of Les Miles, and by all accounts his candidacy is gaining momentum. Unless OSU can hire someone with a distinctive identity (I would have said “brand” but that is a UO trope but in doing so I end up sounding like Riley) then we might as well stick with Cory Hall. By my reckoning there’s only three such candidates out there now: Neuheisel, Chip and Miles.
Chip’s not answering the phone.
Why Neuheisel? Honest ask here… want to know because don’t know much about his coaching abilities.
Load the box and make Tate pass. Let the young CB’s learn some lessons by experience.
I think we’ll keep it close, same as we’ve done in every game under Hall. Arizona by 14 or less.
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I can’t see Les Miles pumping up footballs to the proper PSI.
Apply by November 20….. Recruiting on the west coast a plus…. hmmmm
I applied to the Duck job when it opened after Chip left. I’d prefer working at Oregon over OSU. But I think I’ll throw OSU a bone and try to help them out this time around. Will they seize opportunity when it knocks? Probably not!
My guess is you’re not even kidding
I would but they got me with the college education part!
Work for the dark side??
The typo’d the email of the first search-firm associate listed, lol.
Tom Snyder, Associate
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He backed his way into a NC shortly after Saban left, and then produced inconsistent teams with one of the two or three teams that can go toe-to-toe with Alabama athlete-wise. No thanks, from my perspective.
Won the NC in his third year and went to it and lost in his 7th season. Finished his career 62–28 in the SEC…
I wouldn’t complain if it ends up being Les Miles, but I’m going to be more skeptical of whoever gets hired this time.
Yeah you’re insane if you’d rather have some coordinator from fuck knows where or Wilcox who has a whopping 6 games on his resume. If Miles wants the job you pay the man.
I’d be down for Miles! He used to coach my 2nd favorite team (LSU). I know, I know f*ck the sec.
Always good RBs… that he likes to use.
I think I might not complain too much about a Miles hire.
I had the same thought….. if a truly proven coach like Miles wants the job you pay the man and hope he makes it all worth while… keep Hall in some sort of assistant role wth the thought that he can learn the job…. then after Miles retires he is ready…. in the mean time OSU makes a giant splash of of a hire…. answer me which OC or D.C. that has been mentioned for our job would have as much clout going into a recruit’s living room….
Nobody by a fucking mile.
And can you imagine a guy like Hall that’s hauling in pretty decent commits as an interim coach after a couple of years of learning the ropes under a guy like Les Miles? I mean seriously I have to give it up for Coach Hall, what could he realistically be selling these kids? I hope for his sake that Barnes has guaranteed him that he’ll be on the new staff no matter what. Dude deserves every bit of it.
All the Miles critics act like winning 75% of your games is easy. There are plenty of coaches with blue chip talent that can’t win consistently the way Miles did at LSU.
Just look at Florida, USC, UCLA, Texas A&M, and Tennessee as programs that have been “inconsistent” with regular top 10 recruiting classes.
Georgia.
Yeah, you’re right! But, with all the grass grown in the Willamette Valley, it will be tough to get Les to focus on football instead of his appetite.
Hahaha “backed his way into a NC”?
That’s one of the most ridiculous things ever written on AB.
You put your backside in,
You put your backside out,
You put your backside in,
And you get a championship out.
It’s not that ridiculous.
A lousy Pitt team upsets #2 West Virginia knocks them out of the BCS championship game.
If not for that loss, Miles would have been hired as the coach at Michigan. A two loss SEC team, LSU, is put in the game. He wins and can’t leave LSU. Michigan makes one of the stupidest culture non-fits and hires Dick Rod. That’s like him being hired at Stanford.
Bo Pelini turned his great LSU D into the HC job at Nebraska.
Chances Miles would get the band back together and bring psycho out west to DC again?
And RichRod was an awful fit at Michigan.
RubyRhod was no better fit with (Corben) Dallas
Kind of like Helfrich really earned the NC title game, didn’t he? Or maybe he was the beneficiary of a program and players put in place by others.
The same with year 7?
For the record, I believe that Bama championship appearance was undeserved. They had their chance to beat LSU in the conference slate, and they couldn’t get it done. The NCG was almost a foregone conclusion since it’s nearly impossible to beat the same opponent twice when so much was expended to win the first time. That NCG told me that championships don’t matter.
With the “play-off” limited to four teams, let alone two, a conference championship should be the first requirement to be in it. Otherwise, it’s just a joke.
Lol!! Just had a natty fall in his lap
Not sure if anyone here actually remembers the 2007 season. The most tumultuous season probably ever in college football. Oregon would have won it with all their injuries, until Dixon went down. Think Cal was number 1 or 2 at some point. So was USF. LSU won it with two losses, saved by an over the head toss from the holder on a fake field goal.
#TPB with a moment of self-awareness and coming to terms with themselves and Riley:
http://www.1620thezone.com/UnsportsmanlikeConductPodcasts.aspx
Listen to Nov 6 seg 1 “here we are after another ugly loss”
Is it bad that I enjoy their show more than the beaver show?
I plugged the beaver show into my google.
Yes, it is bad that you enjoy their show more.
Per Kevin Hampton on twitter:
A source has confirmed that Les Miles is intetested in the Oregon State football coach position #gtsports #gobeavs
AB continuing its long history as a “source” for more credible outlets.
wag the beaver
The essence of strip clubs.^^^^
Wow, really!? Jack, will have to bring in special turf grass for Les to chew on.
If only we lived in a place that knew how to grow sod.
I think we can find a solution.
https://www.amazon.com/Fresh-Patch-Disposable-Potty-Grass/dp/B005G7S6UI
Or we can just buy one of the little boxes of wheat grass at grocery checkouts.
I’m just having fun with you Jack. I think you said you would bring in sod grass for Les Miles if hired. You may get your chance after all.
I said I’d upgrade him to some Normals.
He can at least eat some great vegetarian food instead of overpriced stadium fare.
And if you’re busy I’ll take em down there myself.
Just learned that Led Miles has a weekly podcast called “Lee is More”
I might have to listen to it a little tonight to get to know our future head coach.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theplayerstribune.com/les-is-more-podcast/amp/
We should start asking LSU fans what the deal is with him.
They love him. They just think he couldn’t beat Saban (or Mullen or Bielema) any more.
And they need to beat Saban if they’re going to go anywhere they want to go.
It’s easy. Some crazy in game decisions. When they worked it was great and when it didn’t he was an idiot. That’s how he got the nickname the Mad Hatter. The QB development was always the issue his last few years.
There is a six degree separation with OSU. Steve Kragthorpe’s son Dave was hired by Miles to be his OC and get their QB/ passing game up to snuff, but he was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease and had to step away. He is still at LSU in some administrative capacity, so Les could get the skinny from him. Dave has an MBA from OSU.
Just FYI… Steve is Dave’s son. You just had them mixed up…
Tigerbair is probably the place to go. Just don’t mention Luke Heimlich’s name
*Tigerbait
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/lsu-sports/les-miles-ama-11am-on-r-cfb/73347767/
Future??
Somebody on AB the other day posted an article about Miles and his desire to get back into coaching.
In it, he talked about recruiting being the thing he misses most about the job.
To me, if a veteran coach, with a 75% winning percentage( over 2 stints and 15 years), who loves recruiting, possessing a national championship ring says he wants to coach at Oregon State, I’m doing everything I can to make him feel at home.
Hell, the recruiting piece alone sells me on him. Our biggest obstacle at OSU is playing with a less athletic/talented roster than most of our opponents. Why wouldn’t we want a guy who enjoys recruiting and isn’t afraid to roll up his sleeves to get the job done?
He is the only name dropped so far that gets the fan base immediately engaged and puts Oregon State on the map as far as national exposure. Hiring Miles would be comparable to hiring Dennis Erickson back in ’98. That’s how you resurrect a program on life support.
Holy crap, we already have had our team slogan ready to go for years.
Doing more with Les at Oregon State.
It’s been right there in front of us for decades
Does he come with an airport?
Nope, but he might come with getting Reser stadium finished…
Entertaining press conferences…..Miles is good at those.
Did GA let slip an F bomb during his last presser?
Hopefully he comes with his wife…
It’s worth it to try to hire him, but they should get it done before the axes start to fall. Otherwise we get sent to the back of the bus. The recruiting angle is not a complete slam dunk.
Funny, was just trying to explain the situation to my lady and said it’s most comparable to DE.
Agree, old coach with titles who is a bit of a retread yet still might have something left in the tank. I’d take a shot, but I really don’t know about the cultural fit. He’s a winner surrounded by so many losers…
Les is More would be a catchier name but I am old school.
Motivational speech: https://youtu.be/cVRgkuCIyVM
Les on dan patrick: https://youtu.be/kTzeF5f-f1A
The comments are pretty convincing.
The issue with Miles will be recruiting. His name will open some doors, but the reality at LSU is that the majority of the players were in state kids who grew up dreaming of being a TIger. Cherry pick a few others from Houston and the rest of the SEC footprint. Can he convince high level kids from that area to go to the NW?
So you’re saying he could get the top in State kids to stay in state?
I’ll take it
Those kids have mostly grown up wanting to be quacks. Another limit I forgot. Only one P5 program in Louisiana. Exponentially more talent in that state as well.
“Hey kid, wanna get out of this shithole part of the country for four years?”
Most people think where they grow up is paradise. I spent four years in the Navy on the MS gulf coast. They think the same about anything north of I-10.
You were an airedale?
I spent time in Biloxi, MS…..God’s country…Lol.
Sorry.
I don’t know why, but I always think monab first with everything down there.
You’d think I’d learn with how many CBs I know.
Biloxi and Gulfport. Where fast food is very slow.
A couple war daddies every year is all I want.
With Big Boy pants?
Nowadays, everyone wears big boy pants.
Or so it seems.
Miles had a reputation with the media as being eccentric and I don’t know how that lines up in a very conservative community like Corvallis. He’d only be here for 2 or maybe 3 years like Erickson was until the next best thing opens up…
then we’d be right back to square one. Beavs program needs stability and I don’t think miles would bring that to the beavs….plus you’re going to have to cough up big money mot only for him but his assistants. Would miles hire Majorca big splash for the beavs….sure, but how long would that last…..again, the beavs need stability and continuity in the program….beau Baldwin has more upside than miles does IMO.
Wow.
Halfway through your first sentence, and I knew what your last sentence would be.
I need to go out and buy some lottery tickets… or stop reading your boring, predictable shit.
Nobody is forcing you to read my stuff….feel free to ignore at your pleasure. I know I certainly take that liberty with your stuff.
I read it all.
You need to stop sniffing glue.
Les Miles has chunks of Beau Baldwin in his shit.
Somewhere out there a beau-ner just deflated from that image
DE had roots in the PNW, ie WSU, Idaho…..Les miles not so much….
Fans that think les miles is actually interested in coming to Corvallis need to start sniffing glue…..it’s laughable.
Yeah you’re right, a coach with two national championship rings would never come to lowly Corvallis…
…..again.
So, when you say “consistency” apparently you mean consistently winning 6-7 games. Might as well just hire Riley again.
*”stability”
Right now, I think many beaver fans would accept a 6-7 win season over a 1 or 2 win season which is where we’re headed. Don’t confuse consistency with continuity…continuity with the right coaching staff has a better shot at consistently winning than consistently having a revolving door with your coaching staff. Les miles would likely be a short term solution to a long term problem and would result in another change over in staff in 2-3 years especially if he turned the program around. While it was fun to watch Erickson capture lightning in a bottle for that one special season, the success was not sustained. I suspect the same would happen if miles was hired….I’d much rather see several 7-8 win seasons over a period of ten years than one great season followed by several crappy ones….besides, miles won’t be the next beaver HC….I think most realistic fans know that but I suppose it’s okay to dream….Beau Baldwin might not be a splashy hire but he produced high powered offenses at EW, developed some good QBs, is a west coast guy with solid recruiting and a winner…I think he’s the right guy for the job bit only time will tell.
Beauner can’t even apply. He doesn’t meet the ask on the first demand.
Damn, we just missed the chanceto ask Les about the OSU job in a reddit AMA. :P
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/7ayc5b/ama_les_miles_ask_questions_answers_start_monday/
Ask him on Twitter. He’s insanely active on there.
Nebraska week here. My Retro Benny flag should attract Huskers aplenty.
Any questions for TPB’s? I wish I would have recorded my brothers prediction of a 10-2 season!
And Lee jumping to the NFL after one year.
Two years ago I got lots of questions about Riley. I imagine now I will hear lots of bitching LOL.
That said, they will probably win. Our QB situation makes DG seem like Joe Montana.
Miles may be their backup if Frost turns them down.
How many years does Scott Frost get with a Riley record?
He thought they were going 10-2? Has he looked into a good detox and rehab program?
He won’t listen to his little brother. I tried to warn him about the INT fest that was coming.
He still can’t accept that they are a mediocre football team.
They’re going to have to beat the odds to make it to mediocre at this point.
Was entry’s Lee Miles info on Nov. 3rd the main leak related to Miles having interest in the team, or were there others reporting it?
I just find it funny that Kevin Hampton says a “source” has confirmed it, and suddenly people start believing it. Like in this tweet from Brendan Slaughter
https://twitter.com/b_slaught/status/927740387929632768
Haha, entry = angry with my auto correct
Lee Miles is interested? THE Lee Miles? Superstar retirement planner from Ogden, UT? Figures Barnes would keep going back to the Utah pipeline…
https://www.google.com/search?q=lee+miles&oq=lee+miles&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l5.824j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
This is why we have angry inches.
Give us an inch and we’ll take Lee Miles
I have no idea if all this Les Miles stuff has truth to it but if it does it seems like an anouncement should come November 21 the day after the job closes….compared to any of the other names I have seen around on the interweb he seems like a hard hit triple if not a home run hire…. if Barnes is not thinking he needs to lock him down before Nebraska fires Riley or before Florida calls…I think we need a new AD…. but I have been a Beaver fan my whole life and have learned to hope for the best and expect the worst so with that we will probably get the head coach from Kansas or something like that.
To reiterate from above: I really don’t know about the cultural fit. He’s a winner surrounded by so many losers…
This is my biggest concern with Les.
I still think SEC teams or others step in before us, and we don’t get him, but that would be my main concern with him. Andersen was a winner before he got here. Instead of turning the players and fans into winners he became more and more defeated/a loser, even quitting, which is the biggest loser thing to do. Miles seems a little more normal than GA, but he’s weird, and I can’t imagine he’d like being around people who make excuses for everything, poor donations, poor facilities, and players who are mentally broken. That’s a lot to fix. Even a winner might break down (Cory Hall already seems more defeated). Some fans might feel neurotic with such a winner in town exposing them as losers.
I think he could excit the big money boosters to pony over for some upgrades and is a forceful enough personality to elevate others. Hook him up with Casey. My concern would be stepping back from steak to a burger with regard to resources. He could address things to make it better, or complain about things. Does he have the drive/ energy to build something again?We had a similar situation here when we hired Tubby Smith. My friends thought I was crazy to think it was a bad hire. He underperformed at Kentucky with every possible advantage. So he will do better
with a bunch of disadvantages? It seems Miles still has the fire, Tubby was lazy.
GA did leave us some options by not taking his coin, so you have to give him credit, or a psych evaluation, for that.
Les already has a bunch or orange and black OSU gear unless the wife tossed it.
A lot of those boosters just got burned by GA, though.
Maybe if he’s marketed as another DE type who has won titles, etc…
Miles has WAY more of a track record than GA’s 6 years as a FBS HC when he got here.
Miles isn’t dumb. I guarentee if he accepts the job it’s because he’s been shown evidence of support from boosters, and enough support fo him to accomplish something great. He’s not going to spend the rest of his coaching days fighting a losing battle that will smudge his legacy.
It’s clearly time to change the culture. Hall has done a good job getting the players to compete. They just don’t have enough talent. Miles would be a good change agent. At this point, osu needs to get the ship righted quickly. Miles wouldn’t be a long term hire but he’d get the program going again.
I don’t think any sec team will go for miles. They like their coaches, new bright and shiny.
Sumlin looks like he’s going to get fired. I like him a lot, and he would be a good fit.
Can’t this be said for any weak ass coach we hire? If you don’t hire someone with a winner’s mentality then you’re hiring a loser. So we’re back chewing gum and slip n slides.
I think he’s saying that until the culture changes you’re just paying more (now and on the back end) for what will end up being similar results.
But hiring a coach with a winner’s mentality is how you change the culture. If your coach is ok with mediocre results then eventually the fan base accepts that as the norm.
I’m not against Miles. I just first find it hard to believe he wants to build OSU. I’d ask why as the first question on an interview. “Because I feel like coaching again” isn’t a great answer.
2. A lot of schools will probably be interested in him. He seems interested in several jobs.
3. The demand will drive up his cost, so we’ll be stuck with a large buyout if he fails.
4. Not sure he has west coast recruiting ties. I’m sure he has ties to the South, which would be nice. He’d have to hire great west coast recruiters.
5. Weird cultural fit.
All that said, I like him best of all the retread names. If that’s the hire I won’t be upset. It’ll be strange but intriguing.
On the first, Miles is a balanced human. He doesn’t take football so seriously that it affects his relationships. He’s a kind man who’s a little goofy. But he was always engaged when I watched him on the sidelines. I think not being a coach unbalances him because he’s conditioned himself to outreach in that way.
2. True… it could be a play for competitive bids. I’m not sure this should disqualify anyone. He’s certain of himself enough to make a go of it where he sees potential. But the eastern conferences are wary of him for these same reasons you provide, thus reducing his demand.
3. Speaks to 2. But you’re correct about the higher buyout. He’s going to come with five years and a rollover.
4. He’ll get good recruiters. He understands that side of football. One could say he might have an advantage coming to the West Coast with a set of fresh eyes. He knows how to evaluate talent, and he knows how to connect with HS coaches.
5. Back to the first point, I don’t honestly know this. All anyone at OSU wants is someone who doesn’t act above it all. He’s pretty good at enjoying the moment. And how can anyone his age not think a line in the water at least once a week is a bad fit?
So to the pro-Miles people, how would it affect your decision if Miles decided to bring his buddy Riley back to Corvallis as his OC?
See below:
Riley can be OC as long as we get Pelini for DC… and then sell tickets to practices.
The word is that President Ray and Riley do not get along.
Are they willing to work for <$1M / yr?
Does this sound familiar? From HuskerMax LOL.
“so I find it interesting that Langsdorf says how important the running game will be on the Minnesota game. What I bet we see is Minn stacking the line to prevent and stop the rushing attack (which they really don’t need to do against our pedestrian running attack), thus having Langsdorf change his play calling to predominantly passing. Then, after the game we will hear Langsdorf say,”well, Miinnesota stacked the line all day so the running game wasn’t there, So passing was open for us to do all day. If we complete passes, we win”. So we will rush for less than 100 yards and have another unbalanced offense emphasizing passsing.”
How much you want to bet that is what happens this week?
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I promise I have never ever posted so much as a keystroke over there, though, I have lurked.
Replying poster gets the big picture:
“We will not be hearing anything from that clown in 3 weeks…hip hip hooray!!”
It would sound mean if I hadn’t been there before.
Anyone talked about UW DC Pete Kwiatkowski for Beaver HC?
So the “rumor” that was posted here from Twitter *could* have been due to students on campus going on social media and claiming they saw Les Miles on campus a couple of weeks ago.
However, there may be some truth to all this, because a bunch of high-level donors have targeted Miles as their #1 choice and have definitely been in the ear of the administration since the week GA left.
To those students I say: pics or it didn’t happen. This is 2017; you have no excuses.
What about Gene Chizik? He’s the D coordinator at UNC; maybe we can steal him in a lateral move since UNC is terrible this year, and they may clean house soon. Perhaps he’ll pass on the HC position and retain D coordinator status.
No.
God no!
Chizik resigned as DC after last season to spend more time with his family. He’s working in studio this season.
Interesting…
The Miles rumor went national about an hour ago, sourcing Hampton’s tweet. But the G-T ran a story about it as well, essentially confirming the source. Now they’ve yanked it.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-les-miles-interested-in-beavers-head-coaching-position/article_97f6b42b-64e2-563d-bb2b-39942307f01a.html
They’ve yanked a lot of things….
The Gazette story is back up:
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-notebook-les-miles-interested-in-beavers-head-coaching/article_d0be16a2-ccea-5e10-bd39-63b8889f3e6e.html
Story says multiple sources confirmed. What did the original story say? One source?
I honestly can’t remember. I was just goo-goo eyeing his resume and engaging in fanciful thoughts.
It would be interesting if they did it for that. You have to appreciate someone who has journalistic standards.
There are too many reasons on both sides to say if this isn’t just him showing LSU that he’s actively searching for a job. About the only places he would really fit for a stretch run are OSU, Nebby and Arkansas. I would say aTm, but those who have been as near as he is to them would know that’s the college equivalent of working for Al Davis.
If he’s truly serious, hire him on November 21. The rebuild is in stasis right now. Having him watch the CW as a newly hired coach would be the best way for him to get acquainted with the job.
If that date passes, I wait until the day of or after the CW. If that passes without Miles, or at least a bunch of heavy breathing, he ain’t coming.
Does Nebraska have any talent? Hasn’t MR ruined their future yet?
Arkansas makes sense. Maybe Tennessee.
Yanked again. Is this fake news?
I think it just means the battery in the laptop hosting the entire Gazette Times operation, died and needs to be recharged.
Laptop? I think you mean Amazon Fire tablet :)
story no longer up
Back up on the Bend site.
http://www.bendbulletin.com/sports/5732340-151/les-miles-said-to-be-interested-in-beavers
I would want Les Miles if he can come with Bo Pelini.
This is exactly what needs to happen, but I don’t see Pelini leaving the town that he’s from.
Youngstown isn’t most people’s dream city and YSU is an above average FCs program.
Bigger question is if he wants to give up the HC seat.
Even though my income is somewhat modest, I could apparently buy four houses in Youngstown.
Only if the mob lets you.
Is this a picture of Mr. Pelini?
https://www.si.com/college-football/video/2017/07/26/dearandy-why-isnt-bo-pelini-mentioned-more-head-coaching-searches
He really shouldn’t eat pre-game meals.
What if they can only breathe hard?
Sounds like maybe we picked up a new verbal? A war daddy this time.
https://twitter.com/VincentGuinta/status/928049515541643264
It looks like he’s responding to Hodgins.
Ok, good. Would rather keep some slots open for Miles to sign his own players…
heh heh… leave some for Les…
The phrase “War Daddy” only serves to remind me of a bat shit crazy head coach we once had, who drove the program off the rails.
Brings a whole new meaning to the song, “going off the rails of the crazy train”
USC ranked ahead of Ohio State and Penn State. Anyone think either of those two latter teams wouldn’t blow the Trojans the hell off the field?
Re: Miles’s lack of west coast recruiting ties:
-He has plenty of ties in FL, TX, and LA
-The right assistants can compensate
-Keep Hall and Cokes and we’ve maintained all of our recruiting firepower
Angry how’s the application process? User friendly?
Good. I got the job. They’re just waiting until after the Civil War to announce it.
Angry and his staff of misfits:
Angry will be assistant recruiting coordinator, talent evaluator and designated QB whisperer…(according to sources close to the program) :)
Jack will be locker room discourse referee, hall monitor and generally contradict anything spoken just to keep the ball moving forward
Angry@Angry will be the voice those who may need to opine a differing view regarding strategy, recruits, coaching decisions
Nicebeaver will be the spokesman among the staff and lead recruiting coordinator
Get Beau will clean toilets daily
Beavergopher will be lead scout for all games east of Corvallis, and report back regarding all other venues outside of the state of Oregon
Silverstream will reinstate open practices for our enjoyment as local fans
Associate head coaches: bendbeaver, nicebeaver, mckalk, oneoldbeaver, Numbers
Thanks for all that you guys have done over the years for OSU athletics. SInce you have your golden parachute from OSU with a big buyout, it is now time to coast, adjust expectations immediatley, ride out a few decent years then ride of into the sunset as a crew. Well done men!
In addition,
scotty and his sunshine attitude to bring daily as practice coordinator.
Bill will be special assistant to Neicbeaver in recruiting
**And for any other long-time posters on angrybeavs, sorry if I forgot you, put in your credentials asap to Barnes and the AD office. This is in effect a class action hiring situation based on angrybeavs overwhelming influence in the process and there will be a spot for each of you on angry’s new footbal staff.
Just don’t let Mud&Sticks handle the budget. You’ll be riding to Columbus in the back of someone’s Honda Odyssey next September.
I’ll be chief cheerleader observation specialist!
I thought I was the comic relief who makes all the obvious low hanging fruit jokes! Oh, and I give the players dating advice they’d be wise not to take :)
I’ll lurk around and every once in a while interject something that I think is either clever or funny and is usually neither.././.
@ Beav in DE: Good one! Thanks I needed a laugh. Looking at the financial situation of our country and the Americans can be depressing, especially when one is trying to dodge the upcoming bullet(s) that will be coming our way.
I’m going to take a break and spend some time looking at box lunches vs McDonald’s and where they’d be stored in the Odyssey(s).
M&S: for the record I agree with you on financial conservatism, just not on HC salaries.
I think college football is in for a long, slow decline as demographics shift, not a major bust. It wouldn’t be wise to take on more debt at this point, but the debt level is manageable where it is right now.
I fired Jack already.
Wait… I had a job?
I’m already head “play counter” on my 5th graders youth football team, can I work through his playoff games before resigning and taking this new position? Unlike my Beavs, my son’s team has a winning record and is in the post season.
Roy Halladay died. Plane crash. Great pitcher for a while…a real bummer.
Did his best Cory Lidle impersonation. Bet he won’t do that again
Why was there a 4 week delay in posting the job opening? Wouldn’t the timeline be better to have posted it sooner and get the hiring process started quicker? Isn’t OSU required to wait for a couple weeks now?
Per my sources, Beau Baldwin still the front runner for the OSU job.
Per JoeBeav today; Mark Banker was seen in Corvallis this week. Cord Wood is on alert for any possible vandalism to Mike Riley’s home.
Banker is screwed if he ever has to go to court. He has no defense.
Da-dum tschhhhhh!
Thanks, I’m here all week, folks. Don’t forget to tip your beaver
If Les Miles is actually interested that’s fucking retarded.
That’s like hiring Dirk Koetter instead of Dennis Erickson.
I read it as Baldwin is the most likely hire, not that Baldwin’s #1 on the wishlist.
That would be sad.
If Miles really is interested and we hire one of these in unproven corrdinators then we deserve to loose….. even if we happen to strike it rich and luck out and they are ok we deserve to loose…. I know the argument will be money but damn it if we are going to play the game we have to pay….. pass the god damn donation cup around and get it done….and before anyone jumps me yes I donate every damn year……I have said it before and say it again if Miles wants to come here get it done….
So OSU is conflating FCS and FBS coaching for the evaluative process of culling the unqualified applicants?
Golly darn shucks.
I wonder why anyone would think OSU has a loser mentality.
Just reading now about the stupid UCLA players shopping in China. Man that’s gonna suck to be their size in a Chinese prison. Whoops
Wow, talk about dumb……if true.
What would be hilarious is if trump tries to intervene.
He’ll get a bunch of Samurai to break them out of prison. They can shoot down any incoming too.
LeVar Ball is on his way to China if he isn’t there already. Can’t wait to see what happens once he gets involved.
He, the wife and the youngest son are already there. They followed along on the trip.
News tried to get a comment out of him. He just said it’s no big deal and they’ll be fine. But he’d wait to officially comment until all the details are out.
I think even LaVar knows not to fuck with the Chinese when in China.
“I think even LaVar knows not to fuck with the Chinese when in China”
You ever hear that guy talk? I’m not sure he knows how to shut up.
GT still has the Les story down, fake news?
Odd… you can’t get to it from the links here. But it’s starting to get picked up nationally, and you can get to it from their links.
https://www.thescore.com/news/1417173
Hmmm… the luddites at the G-T don’t seem to understand that when they update their stories and save as new, they’re creating new URLs.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-notebook-les-miles-interested-in-beavers-head-coaching/article_d8df8655-9c4b-5cf6-b8c1-e2518b7b019d.html
I’ll send Hampton and Gress a quick message to remind them to take their battery off the charger so they can power up their laptop….I mean….server.
More of the same.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/08/report-les-miles-interested-in-oregon-state-vacancy/
Has there ever been a female football coach(head coach or assisstant) at the college level?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. Pretty sure there are a couple in the NFL and several in HS.
Hire Goldie Hawn?
I won’t link it, but Moran has an article with M.Mcmaryion about why he left OSU.
Yep, some interesting quotes in there.
Some excerpts:
GA is such a dough
Did they tell him this? All I see is that he didn’t get the starting nod. Does he not know what leadership is?
He confirms what we thought: that GA fell in love with Washington State’s offense and lead McM on a bit just to keep him around in case of emergency. That’s how it looked. Luton was crap on all the scrimmage film I saw, so GA was simply forcing his will on the situation. Now he’s in an insane asylum.
He didn’t say anything about GA.
Who gets led on when an open position battle is underway. Until it’s announced, it’s open.
Duh.
Was it the wrong decision? I was prepared to say yes and defend that position… until he transferred and proved that I was completely off base.
“This is just my own personal opinion, but I didn’t think I was being outplayed by Jake,” he said. “He’s a great quarterback and brings a lot of great attributes to the team. That’s the direction they wanted to go with the program. … They didn’t think I had the ability to lead the team, so that’s just the way it works out sometimes.”
Replace the word “they” with “Andersen”.
Bottom line is that McMaryion was in the program for 3 years and only became a starter when injuries or stinky QB’s forced it. He remained when Kempt, Del Rio, Vanderveen, and Sanders left the program or changed positions. Do we think that Collins and Mitchell were better QB’s than McM? Or Garrettson and Blount? The coaching staff didn’t commit to helping McM. improve and he never moved up the depth chart even after attrition at the position. Lack of offensive and QB identity was a problem for Andersen.
Glad McMaryion got his shot finally.
Because why?
Are you telling me I shouldn’t believe the words MM uses, that he’s not to be trusted?
All of what you say may be true. What does it have to do with anything? He’s about on par with DG–less of an arm and a much slower release, but more accurate when his timing is on. If he was our starter at the beginning of the year, we still would have had McGiven as our OC, and MM would have lasted maybe three or four games before being broken.
That is by far the simplest reasoning. We might be in a better place because it would have given Luton more time to learn the playbook and work the timing out on the field. But we would still suck eggs.
In a way, I’m glad McMaryion transferred. He’s in a better situation, and we are too. If GA had moved him to starter and OSU somehow managed to squeak out a win or 2 more this season, we’d still be a team coached by GA. No thanks, I’ll pass. Time to start a new chapter.
We wouldn’t have won anything more than we already have. That negative is just absurd.
Good point. We’d have at least 4 wins by season’s end with McM from the get go.
Prove it.
Go to your room, Jack and leave your friends alone!
jax would never quit, he’s a true leader and the most honorable person in the world
Agreed. MM hands the ball off way better than Garretson.
prove
it
You prove it
That’s what I thought.
Weak on top of weak.
Can someone confirm the timeline on MM? As I recall, Luton was named the starter, and McGiven was talking in interviews about playing him and MM in situational play, working the both of them into the game plan. Was it the next day we heard MM dropped off the depth chart? I think it was the day after that he transferred, which would be precisely why he dropped off the depth chart.
Regardless, he quit. I don’t know why we spend any time on him. It’s not like we don’t have anything else going on.
I don’t believe that happened, Jack. The first sentence and a half anyway….
Honestly don’t recall reading that.
I remember Luton being named the starter (although practice reports had both MM and DG outperforming) and McG was saying MM and DG would be battling it out for the backup spot.
I don’t think MM even knew if he would be 1st off the bench, even though by most in person accounts (by fans and players) MM was playing the best.
I remember practice reports being that DG was a distant 3rd to the other two who were pretty equal.
I recall Luton getting the nod on a Tuesday. Then I recall GA saying something about both MM and DG getting a lot of reps. Then there was a McGiven video where he was talking about MM playing situationally here and there.
Then the next day MM didn’t show up for practice? And the media went all, “wait a minute, second string not decided yet.” Then MM was practicing as 3rd string. Then he was gone.
I don’t want to go back and look, because I really don’t care enough to go back and look.
In case anyone here ever thought I was taking gratuitous pot shots at aTm, get a load of this one.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743169-texas-am-holds-lottery-for-chance-to-pay-100k-to-stay-in-hotel
I feel bad for their next coach too.
TAMU “former students” (not alumni) are like a cult. That place is creepy.
That’s the most confusing article I’ve ever read. Did they have a lottery for a chance to get in the auction? Or was there an auction to get into the lottery?
The former.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-spurned-by-uw-former-menomonie-quarterback-nate-stanley/article_b545f90c-ddb4-5585-b6c6-6a395bc1993f.html
Haha. Gary Andersen should be a QB scout. Whoever he rejects should get the “GA 5-star bump”
Except that this kid actually has some skills.
This is what I find funny abut these stories:
Okay, I can see that. Riley ignored Kellen Moore at a summer camp to chase Jake Gelakoska. It happens. But this is where I start to think people are just full of it.
So Gary Andersen is not the only reason he’s not a Badger, not by a long shot. He had 13.5 months between GA leaving Wiscy and him signing a NLI. The truth is he wanted to play for Iowa.
No, he honored his verbal. Props to the kid.
Correction: he “orally committed” to Iowa. Iowa has some interesting recruiting tactics…
No wonder Ferentz has stuck around so long.
Wait… now we don’t take what the kid thinks is best for him into account? Now we give props to someone who honors a pledge 13.5 months out from signing a NLI, let alone showing up for camp?
It’s like watching a game of pong with the logic in this place.
He wanted to go to Iowa. If he wanted to go to Wisconsin, he would have done so.
“But Andersen, UW’s coach during the 2013 and ’14 seasons, wanted a dual-threat quarterback who could run a spread attack out of the shotgun formation.”
I think a group photo, each qb in their present uniforms, would be appropriate. How about “no future as quarterback” for a caption?
I don’t like the idea of Les coming to Corvallis unless he fills his staff with young, talented coaches that will take the reins of the program one day. He cannot manage the clock. I also don’t like the idea of demoting Hall to DC because his fire and passion could be used elsewhere more effectively.
Personally, I like Mike Norvell. Young guy who can recruit in the south is the ideal candidate. The way his Tigers play and win games is truly entertaining, and that’s what OSU football needs.
Norvell looks good. But we’ll have to pay at least $3m plus enough to pay his buyout, and we still likely won’t get him with Arky and Tennessee wanting him.
So we pay his buyout, and then we hear how we can’t pay his buyout when he fails at OSU.
We haven’t tried that script yet!
Yeah… I’m getting the feeling we’re not going to pay for a coach.
Miles, Norvell and Frost will all command more than GA did. Norvell and Frost would come with buyouts. Miles is the only realistic one of the three because if he’s truly interested we can offer that same $3m with a graduated salary in good faith, and he can continue to receive the difference from LSU.
But I don’t see us paying much more than that. Maybe $3.5m?
Then we start talking about next level guys like Wilcox or Bohl.
I’m looking around, and I don’t think OSU gets it. We’re not a spread O school. We’re also not a pass happy pro-set. Some of our best years had good QBs and great receivers. But we were truly best when recruited personnel so that we could run to set up the pass. We had linemen who could grade roads, once upon a time. The last time we had a large collection of them was probably 2008. And even that was a couple years after we had some big trenchers on the D side.
You can’t tell me we can’t run that system and win. You can’t tell me we can’t recruit that kind of personnel to Corvallis. I’ve seen both done.
Maybe I’m just really bored with watching lousy defenses chase sub-par scrambling offenses around the field.
Hmmm…
He was being paid $4.3m two years ago. His buyout turned out to be $9-10m over six years.
https://www.businessreport.com/article/buyout-les-miles-contract-cost-9m-plus-six-years
He’s only getting $1.5m per to watch from the TV booth. So any salary we pay will likely erase tehh LSU buyout. And it looks like they need it.
He has a half dozen good years left, most likely. Making twice what the buy-out pays to finish off his career doing what he loves wouldn’t be out of the question.
Basketball signing day. Expecting three guys. Wilson, Washington and Kelley.
None are real impact players. All need time to develop and build up the strength to play d1 ball. Kelley is a big project. Washington probably has the most potential. Wilson needs a couple years to develop.
We got taller.
I haven’t researched these guys, but it sounds like a bad class.
We need to hire more coaches with sons.
Yeah… two guys who will probably be playing in the NBA five years from now is bad.
The two HS kids are supposed to be good, aren’t they?
I just don’t see it jack. They don’t look like they’ll have any immediate impact. Look like glue guys to me at the top of their careers.
Tinkle needs to strike some gold with this class. The jc signees from last year really stunk.
Wilson and Washington will be good. Bigs develop more slowly, so having them around for four years would be optimal. Washington looks more likely to bug after three than Wilson would. But we will get more than role-players out of both.
This is what contending hoops teams look like. That guy who wasn’t the star on his college team can be a next level guy too. And he can be backed up by another guy who might do the same. But when you get the size and skill we’re getting with those two, you get more than roles.
But they don’t need to be impact from the beginning. I don’t see Eubanks going early because of the same scouting report these two would likely get after year 3.
Most recruiting sites rank Wilson higher than Eubanks was ranked. At least one ranks him in the top 100. Wilson committed so early that the recruiting sites basically stopped following him and he did not get any exposure from offers from more teams because he did not entertain any offers after committing.
Has Tinkle every successfully recruited a true point guard since he’s been here?
McLaughlin seems more like an off guard to me, who’s being asked to run the point. Then there was the JC kid last year, but I don’t really count JC kids since they’ll be gone in 2 or less years in most cases.
And here we are with another class with no point guard.
Is the plan just to have oversized 2 guards who can handle the ball, take over those duties? I didn’t really watch much men’s hoops last year, but from what I saw, STJ and JROC were the primary ball handlers, and neither really looked like true distributors to me.
Any link to the signees for other sports?
No.
We need a true PG for Tinks’ system to work properly. And we haven’t really had one. But it looks like Manuel might have played himself into that role. So we’ll see what the early rotation turns out to be. It would be nice to put a string of floor generals on the court for extended runs.
But those players also seem to be a lost talent. All the hype about using your handle to get yourself an open look is just dumb on the college level. Play as a team, and you can beat 80% of your competition. Too many PGs these days have a penchant for scoring rather than leadership.
opps
WBB signed 3 today. Lost out on Rae Burrell who went to Tennessee. She would have been a huge get to an already good class. Simmons is going to be fun to watch next year. Lots of competition for guard minutes.
http://www.espn.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/204/class/2018/oregon-state
6″9!?!
And a lot more athletic than hamblin. Should be a dominant post on day 1 to senior day.
Tavoris Johnson just got kicked off the team.
I heard he was suspended indefinitely. He’s completely booted now? That sucks but I guess Hall is laying down the law.
Suspended indefinitely = done for him, he’s a senior transfer. Unless they pull a LeGarrot Blunt with him in the civil war.
I have to wonder if he knew Tyner was grad transferring also. He’s probably thinking, I didn’t come here to carry the ball three fucking times a game. Thanks again, GA!
Horowitz with the idea that we should hire a young up and comer who will obviously set us up for greatness over a long time while he Joe Paternos his way into OSU lore… instead of Miles, a coach who has an expiration date.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/2017/11/08/les-miles-oregon-state-bad-hire/845841001/
Why do they assume auto-loyalty? And why do we go from talking about Miles, an A-list coach, to talking about coordinators who should be on the bottom of our C-list? Harsin is one I always forget about. He’s a B-lister with Wilcox and Bohl.
So many people think we can just simply outsmart every other team and find that hidden gem of a coach that nobody has considered for a head coaching job. That spry young coordinator who was being held back all of these years, but will shine when handed the keys to the Pinto that is Oregon State.
If that’s the mentality, then we also need to be prepared to go into the next era of Beaver football with low expectations as we explain away every loss for the next 3 years with “he just needs to have some time to get “‘his'” guys into the system ” or “he just needs time to gel with his coordinators”
At least with a vet like Miles, you can justifiably raise your level of expectation and expect to see improvement in wins and level of play from season #1.
I just don’t have another 3-4 years of patience in me, and I’m far more patient than most OSU fans who have already tuned out years ago.
We’re Oregon State. We never outsmart anybody when it comes to football. Just go with the proven commodity.
Listening to the new Dam Podcast. They bring up the point of how Les’ offenses were at LSU, and how he had a new coordinator every year. Sounds a lot like GA.
Two ABers (including me) get questions on their podcast.
Except weren’t his coordinators getting head coaching gigs for the most part?
And that was the second (less successful) part of his tenure. Jimbo Fisher and Gary Crowton both had fairly long stints. Studwara only got two years, Cameron had 3.5.
Not quite the same as GA’s OC per year principle.
15 minutes of Sprague spouting off odds of various possible HC’s; hard to take! But, I’m hangin’ in there for the questions from AB’s
Fast forward to when they field questions…I think it’s around the second half of the show. 30 minute mark or beyond.
Turns out you have to jump clear up to the 53 minute mark if you aren’t interested in a bunch of speculation and general BS from those two. Their non-answer to your question wasn’t really worth the wait.
So… five coaches in 16 years… Gundy for four, Fisher (who he inherited) for two, Crowton for four, Sudrawa for two (because Kragthorpe diagnosed with Parkinson’s) and Cameron for four.
That sure sounds like a new coordinator every year.
Is this the same podcast you linked last week, where everything had to be repeated three times and was meaningless in the first place? And that was just the first two minutes. I can’t imagine listening to that wandering mush for an hour.
Do any of them know that this is college football, and everything they’re making up on the fly can be refuted by documented realities that they could have looked up, probably more easily than making it up?
Funny, I almost believed it too, but after you wrote this I looked back at LSU’s wiki history(which took all of 2 minutes maybe) to see the truth is far from what Sprague was saying.
And with his final 4 full years while Cameron was OC, the team bounced around from 70th to 33rd in the nation in total offense(total yardage). Sure, that doesn’t sound amazing, but when you look at the top offensive teams year to year, they never come out of the SEC conference. It’s a more defensive focused brand over there with less up tempo to help run up the scores.
The low year in that period they averaged approx 27 ppg, and the high year was just over 37 pig
(Oregon State was much lower, in case anybody is wondering)
With a Wiki page we can put together better content than “insiders” can.
No wonder half-baked spam about unproven coordinators is thrown about as if it has anything to do with what people at the adult table talk about. I’m starting to believe we don’t even have an adult table.
Let’s just skip the discussion about who we are and what we want and who can fill those metrics. Let’s just want some coordinators from around the Pac 12 for no other reason than we want them. And if we repeat their names enough, they’ll turn into legends. Then we’ll win into forever, because we did outsmart everyone else. Absolutely nobody was looking at these guys, and now we have one.
What’s for dessert?
My personal ceiling with Les in terms of a contract would be a 3.25 million average over 5 years. Also fine with a 4 year deal.
On a 5 year deal would be as follows:
Year 1…3.05 million
Year 2…3.15 million
Year 3…3.25 million
Year 4…3.35 million
Year 5…3.45 million
On a less likely 4 year deal w/ same 3.25 mil avg:
Year 1…3.10 million
Year 2…3.20 million
Year 3…3.30 million
Year 4…3.40 million
Under the later scenario you check on progress after Year 2 & 3 before offering a potential extension of 1-2 years.
Five year deal is higher probability. Under that one after Year 4 ( or possibly Year 3 at earliest) you could do a 1 Year extension if warranted.
This would be my absolute max as base salary. Would be best for OSU to keep this down closer to a 3 million average over 5 years and then reward more for Pac-12 wins.
Something around an additional 100K for every Pac-12 win after 3 Pac-12 wins. That way to get above base salary Les has to have OSU where they are basically highly likely to have 6 wins and be in a bowl. He could then make an absolute max of 3.25 mil + 200K or 3.45 million if he got 5 Pac-12 wins in his 3rd Year of a 5 year deal. If he could pull off 6 Pac-12 wins in Year 3 it would be 3.55 million under this absolute ceiling plan with incentives for Pac-12 wins.
Any richer than this and I believe OSU will fallback to a Baldwin, Smith or Sanford Jr type option.
I would offer Scott Frost the same deal as Miles. Norvell I’d only be OK with a 2.6 million average over 5 years with same incentive structure and only because he does appear to have some options. Baldwin and Smith I would package around 1.5 to 1.6 million a year max before incentives for Pac-12 wins.
You’ve really thought this through. I think OSU goes above and beyond if there are boosters willing to make it happen. Very few names are going to entice the boosters to open their wallets though. I’d love to know who those candidates would be.
Prob Les
Thank goodness its almost basketball season.. I’m a Tinkle fan and think he’ll get the job done.. Although I’m not a big zone guy, he’s clearly recruiting length necessary to play zone defense.. I would imagine, Coach Thompson, coming from Syracuse, is pushing the zone..
The lack of Point Guard play since Tinkle took over is a MAJOR concern.. Point Guard is only the most important position after all.. He seems pretty dialed in at all the other spots.. But this offense lacks a true play maker, somebody that consistently creates shots for his teammates..
I wonder if he’ll start the same crew in the opener as the exhibition game.. I was surprised Manual started.. He’s nothing more than a role player, spot up shooter type.. That has value but at the expense of Jaquori?? No thanks.. Jaquori isn’t a true PG either but he’s better than Manual.. Although his defensive effort is lazy at times..
This will be a much improved group if healthy though and they wouldn’t surprise me at all to finish over .500 in league play which puts you in the conversation for the tournament.. I think this team finishes anywhere from 8-10 to 10-8 in conference.
We’ll see though!
Tinkle is to pointguards what Gary Andersen is to Quarterbacks.
If OSU’s athletic department is so desperate for money, why doesn’t it rent out Reser for more concerts and other sporting events?
Because nobody wants to drive 2 hours from Portland for other events. Hillsboro Stadium, Providence Park, Moda Center, and Memorial Coliseum are much more convenient.
Almost 200,000 people live in the Albany-Corvallis-Lebanon region, not even counting Monmouth, Salem or Dallas. There is a huge potential to host good concerts at Reser and make good money.
Look at the attendance of the music festivals at Sweet Home and Brownsville if you want a look at the potential for music in the mid valley….as long as we are on the subject of out of the box thinking here is another idea…. the idea of having west Reser be not just a stadium but multiple use…. why don’t they attach a hotel / convention center onto it…rent out suites and hotel rooms for the all day tailgaters….. then if a person gets bored watching Les Miles and the Beavers beat the ucks for a 10th straight time…. they could go catch a nap during the second half…,
I wish they would bring back concerts to Gill as well.
https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Gary-Andersen-interviewed-for-Cleveland-Browns-opening-110126597
….when I read this I began laughing harder than I’ve laughed all week.
“He went just 7-23 with the Beavers before being fired earlier this year.”……..Fired?..Really??
Must not have used Wikipedia before writing the story
Or national sports news. Or anything from the Oregon media.
Still, what a perfect landing spot for that fucking quitter. I knew there had to be an element of a “better job” in it for him when he left and if he would have left the school on the hook while he chased his delusions of grandeur in the NFL…
Fuck GA. At least all the mistakes of the Bobby D era are officially over now. Major pressure on Barnes now to make the right call.
The interview with Browns was in 2014 not 2017. Has nothing to do with him leaving Oregon State.
He interviewed at Cleveland before he left Wisconsin, so I doubt that played into his reason for leaving Oregon State.
And I just trolled myself. I did NOT read that article carefully. I deserve any scorn I get lol
Still, Fuck GA
Freshman Kaleb Hayes has been playing QB on the scout team to imitate Khalil Tate and is apparently looking pretty good. He was a dual threat QB that was recruited as an athlete and projected as a DB.
Another GA quarterback miss?
It would be hilarious if we have a hidden QB gem on our defense.
Not really. He’s still on the team.
Gary “The QB Killer” Andersen.
Perhaps speaks to kalebs intelligence if he hid-out as a db while GA was around.
Why would anyone downvote this? It’s interesting stuff.
The same people telling us he’s looking really good also told us Luton was looking really good all Summer.
I remember when one writer told me Nick Mitchell was the best QB on the roster…you know who. Haha. That guy had no idea how to analyze QBs.
Speaking of, Collingsworth tonight said of Russell Wilson, “He takes a while to wind up and throw..” I remember that being a big criticism of McM. And arm strength. Never saw either as an issue. Wilson winds up more than McM for sure.
No he doesn’t.
Put a clock on them if you need to do so. That’s a ridiculous statement.
And Wilson has a middle of the road NFL arm. A noodle arm in the NFL would be someone like Fitzpatrick, who has a much stronger arm than MM.
You think Wilson has a middle of the road arm in the NFL? He has completed more deep passes than any other QB this year. I would say he is at the very least a top 10 arm in the league.
You’re talking about two different things.
Arm strength is the velocity a QB can put on a ball. Completing long passes has less to do with that and more to do with timing… and some to do with your receivers’ talents. That he does it more than others means he calls that play more than others and has some of those talents and circumstances.
Umm, I’m not just talking about completions. Have you ever watched him throw the ball? Dude has a cannon. Name 10 nfl QBs that have a stronger arm.
Of the starters:
Rodgers, Stafford, Newton, Cutler, Flacco, Brady, Osweiler, Carr, Luck, Rothlisberger, Winston, Ryan, Bortles.
From there I think he ends up in the great middle wash with arms like Prescott, Cousins, Goff, Taylor, Brees (now), Palmer (now) and Dalton. I’d probably put him between Goff and Taylor.
You really are senial
I figured you would reply with cold, hard facts.
You just seem like that type of critical thinker.
Should start to see some serious movement on the coaching front in the next week or so. Barnes needs to have a hire in place shortly after the civil war. Should be reaching out to candidates now.
Though if he were to make a hire before the civil war, it might inspire the players to send hall out on top.
So when Justin Herbert heals up just in time for the CW and lights us up, do we chalk that up to Luck o’ the Beavs?
He played the whole game last year.
JoeBeaver show was quite telling today. Parker and sidekick spent thre first 15 min setting up why Miles is a questionable idea and weren’t sure where Beaver fans would be on it. They took about 15 calls and all but 3-4 were in favor of Miles. Parker kept quiet until someone brought up J Smith as the favored son returning (Ugh, tunnel vision), but Parker is in love with Beau Balwin’s offense and is openly pushing for Baldwin.
The stated objections to Miles: not a NW or OSU guy, couldn’t recruit to Corvallis, too old, too quirky, and down-played the similarities to DE because of the age difference
The arguments for Smith: will be able to surround himself with the right staff and build it up (hopeful isn’t a plan category, very unproven), OSU favored son, Mike personally likes him
The argument for Baldwin: did you see that offense.blah blah. story time about EW carving Banker..blah blah…Good CEO at EW
What frustrates me is any argument for Baldwin or Smith can be made for Les Miles except the OSU guy nonsense. He wasn’t an OKSt guy but he won there, wasn’t an LSU guy but won there. Miles will have a much deeper circle of coaches to draw from as recruiters and technicians than either Smith, Baldwin.
Les Miles is the best fundraiser in LSU history. He must be convincing in the pitch room to boosters who want to win and are willing to back it up. If he can raise interest, create a national buzz, put together a great staff, recruit the entire country and get guys with west coast ties he is almost there.
The cultural fit is a goofy argument to me. Anybody moving to Corvallis from the midwest and 1000% humidity would love to be in the Willamette Valley.
I doubt that Miles is ignorant of Corvallis/OSU since he has a few connections to Mike Riley (son is a walk-on at Nebby), Kragthorpe coaching with him a few years back.
The only real cultural fit problem I could see is the OSU AD culture of loser mentality in football is pervasive. He may get here and realize that people don’t expect to win. Nor do some ever want to win, which is evident when they sabotage TV optics with 3 year old banners, for example.
I think Miles could immediately energize the donor base like DE did. Bring fresh optimism to the football program, hire a great recruiting staff with real D1/P5/SEC/PAC12 experience, win right out of the gate, start major fundraising for the west-side redo, and probably bring in the best talent in the first 2 years since DE.
Dennis Dodd sent out a tweet that OSU hasn’t contacted Miles. Hopefully because Miles has already contacted OSU. Barnes may miss a golden opportunity by playing coy. I hope Barnes is working behind the scenes and with the big time donors to this done. He has a won 70% of games coached in his career. Don’t scoff, or dismiss him OSU!
Kudos for being able to listen to the show. I used to listen online for GA’s Monday comments but between his awful sidekick, calling each other Doc, and the callers I have never been able to listen.
Did Parker say what he liked about Beau’s O? I know some have ripped him for being a one trick pony with Vern but both Riley Hennessy and the McMinville kid looked good enough to start at OSU under Beau.
His O is fine. OSU will never get the players to run it properly on this level. But it’s decent.
His Ds sucked big time. So we would have that to look forward to.
I don’t get the thinking on this one. Miles should be at or near the top of any list we make. Beau shouldn’t even be on it. But if he is, he should be somewhere around #30 on the list. Smith would probably be somewhere around #20-25.
So we have the culture at OSU speaking up and saying, “Miles? Meh! Let’s skip all the qualified candidates between #s 2 thru 20 and talk about these other guys… because they made Mark Banker’s Ds look bad.
Do people forget that we win that game if the refs call OPI on EWU in OT? Our not good O in a not good season racked up a ton of points on that team and should have won.
Yeah… I saw their O. I also saw no D. In the BCS, you need some semblance of a D to win. That’s not so in the FCS until you get deep into the playoffs.
I’m not pro Beau or Miles but In the case of Miles:
His D is fine. OSU will never get the players to run it properly on this level. But it’s decent.
His Os sucked big time. So we would have that to look forward to.
Imagine if his offense didn’t “suck”
He might have won 95% of his games at LSU vs that paltry 77%.
I’ll take an O that sucks like that.
And I’ll take a D like his, one that we have and can again recruit the proper personnel to run on this level.
Sorry, but Beauner’s O on the FCS level was populated by players who were great for that level. They would not be consistently great on the FBS level for a variety of reasons. The only way his O compensates for his lousy Ds is to have better players on O than anyone else has on that level f play.
Is that you Lindsay?
My point jack and nice was the same argument against Beau could be made against Les.
Now carry on with your wet dream black bandit.
Yes… Les has never proven that he can run a team on the FBS level. He has never fielded top Ds that work without blue chippers as well as they do without, or with developed next-level guys whose only fault is they can’t play as frosh. He’s never run a complimentary O that is better than average despite it not being the flash in the pan the modern offenses are in terms of scoring. That ground and pound O didn’t force his team’s identity to be one of solid, fundamental football on both sides, doing the basics well and letting the chips fall where they may. So while his O was maybe the second quartile, it didn’t push his D into the 90th percentile by forcing them to be sound against the basic concepts of football.
If the same can be said of Beauner:
Beua has never proven that he can run a team on the FBS level. He has never fielded top Os that work without blue chippers as well as they do without, or with developed next-level guys whose only fault is they can’t play as frosh. He’s never run a complimentary D that is better than average despite it not being the flash in the pan the modern defenses are in terms of scoring. That fluffy D didn’t force his team’s identity to be one of solid, fundamental football on both sides, doing the basics well and letting the chips fall where they may. So while his D was maybe the fifth quartile, it didn’t push his O into the 90th percentile by forcing them to be sound against the basic concepts of football.
Good talk.
Let’s do this in terms of cars.
You want a car. You have some money to spend. Les is a 2005 BMW M5 with 60k miles on one owner. He’s worn but still has tens of thousands of miles of at least 90% 2005 BMW M5 capabilities.
Scott frost is a 2015 Lexus. You can’t tell what model he is. He could be a NX, a RX, an IS250 or whatever. But what you do know is that you’ll have to pay for a LFA.
Norvell would be a 2017 Corolla that the owner can’t afford and will return to the lot with minimal miles. The more you look at him, the more you see that he’s just straight up quality, but new.
Bohl would be a 2014 Corolla lease. He’s still plugging away on the back roads like he was made for them.
Harsin and Wilcox would be Volvos, solid and owned by people who like to swerve and brake a lot.
Beauner would be the 2018 Fiat 500L Crossover. He’s got zero miles, and he looks cool. He’s also cheap.
I like this. I think if I were choosing from these cars, I’d actually go with the Norvell/2017 Carolla.
But if the M5 could guarantee I would be getting regular weekly BJs while driving around town(aka, get Reser finished), i would go with the M5.
Something tells me none of these cars are going to get me that outcome though.
So how do we get off the used the car lot and into a new Tesla?
I didn’t listen to the nicebeaver show, but Parker was on Brandon Sprague afternoon show yesterday for a segment
I came away with the same impression. Parker was going out of his way to talk up Baldwin and sell him to the fans. It felt like the school said
“Mike, we need you to get out and do some damage control, to soften the blow for our fans when we announce our guy Beau is the new coach”
At this point, I expect Beau Baldwin will be the hire
Joebeaver show. Auto correct is learning still…
And here I thought you have been holding out on us by not telling us about your show
Here’s the download link to Parker on Sprague show. It’s fairly short with everything related happening in the first 7 minutes. Certainly sounds to me he’s banging the Baldwin drum.
http://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/serve.castfire.com/audio/3422023/3422023_2017-11-08-181423.128.mp3
I agree that it sounds like Parker is doing some public relations voodoo about Baldwin. It seems like any decision will be the wrong decision for OSU football. Maybe that is the loser mentality creeping in.
OSU will cntinue to flounder in recruiting, Pac12 presence, respect, and National exposure if it settles for a mid level/untested/coordinator without P5 experience.
I like the idea of youthful enthusiasm but not at the expense of skilled experienced leadership with a proven track record of real winning.
Better to know now.
I can spend my time and money doing something else in the fall for a couple years.
That show is so corny. It’s sounds like it’s out of the 1950s.
Parker is going to love PNW and OSU guys because he’s a small fish in a small pond. Suffers from small town syndrome big time.
Not that Miles is a slam dunk. In fact, I think he’s playing us to increase his demand, though he’d probably take OSU if we were his only option.
Parker is part of the problem. When things are not going well he has the “oh no here we go again” mentality when he is doing play by play. Just perpetuates the loser persona. He needed to be fired the minute he rifled done that napkin. He is also just not a very good play by play man.
I like Parker, even though I know I’m in the AB minority
Takes three seconds of Parker talking to know whether the Beavers are winning or losing. swear there are times he is going to jump out of the booth…
Curious to know what you like about Parker.
He does demonstrate a very good memory (both of sports and older movies) but often tries to make it all about himself. His play-by-play offers a pretty good description of the action but, too often, degenerates into his own emotional take. Jim Wilson frequently saves his bacon in a very well mannered way.
Overall, I’ve heard a lot worse in the play-by-play arena of college sports.
And I can do without his sidekick explaining the technical difficulties involved in producing the JoeBeav show, or his experience playing Jr.High basketball.
And our big time recruit from GAs 2nd class has been given his release. Man GA did a number on this program.
Funny, I remember posting on here a couple years back that he wasn’t going to be here in 2 years.
He has a baby. I’m not surprised. That’s more important than playing football and I would guess living back home with family will make that part of his life easier.
Doesn’t “given his release” mean he’s going to play at a different school? He’s probably going to transfer and play RB somewhere.
GA quit.
All he’s doing now is renting space in your head for free.
Very good, Jack…
Link? Details??
The corner who can’t backpeddle?
Barnes is currently in Florida. Looking like it might be McElwain…
This thread has become depressing.
Can we at least get a FlightAware report telling us he’s in Orlando or Tampa?
Could be Frost …….won’t happen.
Could be Strong …..won’t happen.
But he sucks :(
Gross.
At least Barnes isn’t in Nebraska
Good point.
Where are the Barnes in Florida rumors coming from?
Why would he hit the road to meet coaches vs having them come to Corvallis and actually see the workplace first hand? Just seems inefficient
Free paid vacation to Floriduh. Who would want to go there on someone else’s dime.
He went to one of those free steak dinners at the BBQ place where all he had to do was listen to a brief presentation.
There are Barns all over the midwest. No thanks to anyone in the state of Florida…they can’t possibly know OSU or Corvallis like our favored son, J Smith, or the offensive wizard of the red turf.
I’ll wait and see, but I’m not holding out hope that Barnes gets it right. Does he even care now that his buddy GA is gone?
Lindsey says ‘Schnell no’ to Les
https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCSNorthwest/status/928774907013369856/video/1
Cool.
That should convince everyone that he’s the right guy.
She is afraid of competition over limited grazing acreage in Corvallis.
Golly, I thought Corvallis was already filled with a bunch of real cows.
I suppose it makes sense. Cows give better milk if they’re not all stressed out about nearby airports.
It’s a conspiracy. Phil Knight is paying the media to propagate the narrative that good coaches won’t fit at OSU, and the riskiest coaches are the perfect fit.
Daddy Phil doesn’t even need to get out of bed for this one. OSU football media are doing it voluntarily.
Eggers with a piece tonight where his “source” says Miles is not a candidate for the job.
But, June Jones is.
Honestly, I would rather have Jones over Baldwin or Smith(the other two Eggers mentions)
Heck, we already have one of Jones support staff already here in Phillips
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/378217-264485-some-oregon-state-coaching-candidates
And then I read Jones was the CFL coach who recently tried to hire Art Briles. Forget it…
Didn’t June Jones “pull a GA” and quit SMU after a shitty start to their season a few years back? Left the cupboard bare and was disinterested in recruiting?
Sounds just like what the Beavs need.
If one doesn’t set the bar that low, one can’t hype those one hypes with any credibility.
Jonathan Smith seems ready for a head coaching gig. Beauner has looked good against OSU’s D… twice.
They pass muster because… so does June Jones.
Eggers, Parker, Schnell, Goe, Canzano, Moran, Horowitz all on record for not wanting Miles, and not thinking that Les Miles is interested or would want the job.
Weren’t they all on record as the “Be careful what you ask for by getting rid of Mike Riley.”?
Nauseating narrow view of the world by the local media types. Boring, lazy and predictable.
In retrospect, they were technically right. Riley was better than GA in most areas.
I still think GA could have been great if he had any sense with QBs, because he brought in better athletes than Riley. He was just more of a headcase and not as good a talent evaluater with that one [QB] position. Also he had less patience than fans and no vision, constantly changing his mind.That’s the difference for him. If he didn’t have those flaws he could have won 6 games this year and been right on course.
Miles is playing OSU for a pay raise somewhere else, IMO.
You’re probably right about Miles.
GA would have been successful if he didn’t try to convert OSU to the spread O. I said years ago that OSU would come around to doing it on the back end of its effective era. We would be late to the party, and everyone else would eat our lunch because of it.
We have an identity as a blue collar ground and pound school with a hard-nosed D. When we stray from that, we look like we did for the last eight seasons. It has little to do with not playing this 4/10 QB over that 5/10 or that 4/10 or that other 3/10 QB. You can make an argument that we never had any QBs over 5/10 on campus. That would speak to recruiting and evaluation. But you can’t make the QBs who left better than they are. And you certainly can’t say they would be anywhere near what their current images are if they stayed and played for Kevin McGiven.
That’s not even a leap in logic. That’s setting logic aside so you can go write a fairy tale ending instead.
PHIL STEELE REPORT:
With different climates you would expect the home team to do well, but from
2004-2012 the visitor had been 7-2 with 6 outright upsets. The last 2 have
been blowout wins for the home team with Arizona winning 44-7 at home in
2015 and Oregon State winning 42-17 last year. This is Arizona’s final home game and
teams playing with revenge the year following one of Oregon State’s rare Pac-12
wins are 5-0 and won all five by more than Las Vegas expected. Oregon State is
playing with more emotion for their interim head coach, but last week were
whipped by California on the road 37-23 being outgained 475-299. Arizona is
averaging 130 yards more than their opponentss normally allow in Pac-12 play. Oregon
State is allowing 501 yards per game, 4.6 yards per carry rushing and 71% completions on the road.
ARIZONA 49 OREGON STATE 23
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State QB/WR vs Arizona DB’s: ARIZ +0.50
Oregon State RB’s vs Arizona LB’s: ARIZ +0.02
Oregon State OL vs Arizona DL: ORST +1.05
WHEN ARIZONA HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State DL vs Arizona OL: ARIZ +2.94
Oregon State LB’s vs Arizona RB’s: ARIZ +2.95
Oregon State DB’s vs Arizona QB/WR: ARIZ +1.86
MISCELLANEOUS:
Special Teams: ORST +0.43
Kicking: ARIZ +0.80
Coaching Staff: ARIZ +2.25
ORST Total Points: 1.48
ARIZ Total Points: 11.32
Positional Edge Awarded To: Arizona by 9.84 Points
Las Vegas Line: Arizona by 22.5
Las Vegas Total: 71.5 Points
+/- Ratings: Arizona by 21.0
Game Grade: Arizona by 22.4
Computer Yards: Arizona 512-346
Computer Points: Arizona 46-23
PROJECTED BOX SCORE (ORST-ARIZ)
Rushing Yards: 160-306
Passing Yards: 186-206
Yardage Total: 346-512
Final Score: 23-46
Experience Rankings: 31-42
Schedule Strength: 33-51
Really disappointed by the names that have been dripping out recently. I guess a shouldn’t be surprised given how awful the list was last time, but you always hold out hope.
Seems we’re destined to have B Baldwin as he Has everyone tricked into thinking he’s the second coming of Chip Kelly.
Hope he is. I’m not buying it though as I feel his EWU teams should have been even better with the players he had.
Hope the decision makers are right, but I have a feeling we once again will settle for mediocre.
Came across this interview of Baldwin from yesterday. He mostly talks about their previous game and upcoming game. Although he’s not my top candidate by a longshot, I do get a good vibe from how he interviews. Seems pretty detail oriented and doesn’t suffer from McGivenitis. Has a quick and thoughtful answer for everything and it doesn’t come off sounding like coach speak. Andersen also interviewed well, but always fell back on his go to cliche quotes “arms, legs, mind”,”big boy battles”, etc.
With time, I’m sure similar patterns will become more evident with Baldwin.
Towards the very end, one reporter tries to trick him into admitting that he’s interviewed already with Oregon State by basically asking if the rumors are true(about him interviewing with OSU). Baldwin smiles but says the rumors are exactly that, just rumors. Never says yes or no though. I’ll give him points for doing a nice job of dodging the question and moving on.
youtu.be/40BfBlQahuw
He’s a nice, smart football coach with almost a year of less than stellar FBS assistant coaching on the books.
Is that all we need at OSU to be happy?
apparently. I think people like that he sounds like a hillbilly too.
What?
Give the guy some props for not being a hillbilly. He’s not.
He’s a football nerd. I at least like that about him. He says “you know” way too much. But he can speak clearly about concepts relevant to the questions he’s asked.
Baldwin is not my first choice, but I don’t know how EWU could have been any better?
They could have played something resembling D.
They could have won the big games against teams that were supposed to be like them, if your thinking is that they were elite teams. They could have sustained the loss of one player by not falling off the map, instead being a consistently solid football team.
They could have repeated that championship success, or at least gone back to the game and had a shot. As far as coaching is concerned, do you want the guy who got there once because of a fumble in the snow but never returned? Or do you want the guy who last because of that fumble and never lost again?
That’s s lot of “could haves”, they should have gone undefeated
That’s another could have.
So we have a lot of ways EWU could have been better.
Sorry, I didn’t know this was just a thought exercise.
Thanks dad!
That’s a new one. You’re thanking me for your addition to an already extensive list on how EWU could have been better.
Both men’s and women’s team open the season today.
Women’s team in great shape. Tourney bound for sure. Top 4 finish in conference.
Men’s team has the qualities of a tournament team. Health will be the key. Can’t get tripped up too many times in non conf. Will likely need to finish above 500 on conference to make it.
Gals game starts at 2pm, free livestream available from the school:
http://pac-12.com/live/oregon-state-university-2
anybody else able to get the live stream to work?
All I see is a bunch of people standing in Gill on some wrestling mats. Don’t think that is live
I get nothing. Same link posted on WBB twitter, those who were responsible for the broadcast may be over at Reser removing the banner?
EDIT: Found it here:
http://pac-12.com/live/oregon-state-university
Cool, the got the video working by halftime. Maybe they’ll work out the audio portion by post game
Still no sound?
No sound and no score on the screen, so hard to keep up on the score unless you also follow online. I think beav s are up 7, with the ball and 4:30 remaining
Anyone remember these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQvVBZgI_k
men favored by 23.5 tonight…I hope we have a shot!
Ladies looking pretty sloppy in game . Definitely risk of losing this one if North Dakota keeps getting open 3’s
they pull out the 55-65 victory but you are right it was a sloppy game
This ladies stream is unwatchable. No score updates and no sound. No clue what’s going on.
Edit: it looks like we won!
http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=189962
They would have been better off using a single fixed camera and the devoting their resources towards getting the audio and on screen info working. Really sloppy production.
Bears pull away in last few minutes and win 65-55.
Unrelated, I’m why does it seems like the ratio of black to white players is the complete opposite for WBB as it is for MBB?
Bears = Beavs….
Man that auto correct is killing it lately!
New operating system reset all of my old settings. It’s kissing me off
Happy Veterans day weekend fellow Beavers thanks to those that are serving and or have served.
Appreciate that, never heard it when l was a young Marine in the 70’s. My thanks as well to fellow Veterans. Semper Fi
Ditto for me in the 60s, Old Yeller
With Wallace now transferring, I don’t think there is a single 4 star player on the team anymore.
Hodgins?
If we end up with Baldwin, a bonus could be him enticing EWU QB Gabe Gubrud(from McMinville)
He’s been one of the top FCS players in the nation the last couple of years. Better option than Luton.
He also got busted for harassing a police officer while intoxicated last weekend, so a change of scenery might be in order.
I think Baldwin is the best fit (coaching ability, finances, west ties, etc). He’s not a lock for success, but nobody available right now is. Baldwin makes the most sense. I don’t think the comparisons to Wulff are fair…he has a much more aggressive personality and is brighter. I don’t love Baldwin, but he seems logical and a good fit. I get the downside arguments and they’re fair.
When I click on Gubrud’s stats, why do punting stats come up?
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/3122176/gage-gubrud
Maybe he’s one of the best QBs because he’s punting it 50 yards rather than throwing it 50 yards?
I can see your point about Baldwin but getting a big name like Miles just would be just more fun from an off season aspect. I’m not an expert in anything football but as a run of the mill fan it seems like it Miles would just bring just so much buzz about the program from a PR stand point.
Agree Miles is more “splash”, but being a life long Jets and Mets fan, I’ve suffered decades of splash hires and free agents that never pan out.
No hyperbole, but I’ve picked the 3 worst sports teams to care about.
Miles would be a lot like when the Jets hired Parcells.
Yeah, we did get burned by the perceived splash of GA. It goes with out saying but I’ll say it anyways I just hope they get this one right. With all of the buy out dodges the Beavers have gotten lucky to fall into; I’m sure a non buy-out firing/ letting go of a coach would happen for a 3rd time in a row .
We’ve been so unlucky with everything except the buyouts. It’s amazing how lucky we’ve gotten with those. Makes you wonder if fans are forgetting that because many want to go expensive…and if that dude fails, we aren’t getting away with this a 3rd time.
Not sure why ESPN doesn’t have hit stats.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/gage-gubrud-player-stats
Nice stats. I’m drooling over that completion %….especially the 68% last year.
Even if you drop that 10% for Pac play you’re nearing elite efficiency range. Did they lose a big play WR or something? I notice the % and yard per completion both down.
Not sure if you are kidding or not. Cooper Kupp was on their team in his best year, and I Kupp was an all time NCAA receiver stats wise.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/4/6/15195514/cooper-kupp-nfl-draft-2017-eastern-washington-receiver
Cooper Kupp
Doh. Forgot Kupp is a rookie. I should know this. He’s on my fantasy team in the AB league.
He seems older for some reason.
Cooper Kupp?
Harassing cops in “the best college town in the PAC 12,” should be a nice change for him, especially when campus is in fall foliage…
We don’t need a basketball thread for tonight, right?
Like 5 people are going to watch that game…
I’ll try to watch. Might be our only chance to see Tres Tinkle and STJ play together
Before season ending injury? Haha. Agreed.
Are they even going to win this game? I feel like they’re going to suck. I haven’t followed basketball at all and don’t even know if Eubanks came back. I guess I’ll watch just to catch up on all that.
I think they’re a bubble team if healthy. That’s a big if.
Still think lack of a true PG hurts them. They basically have 4+ 2-guards who are better than their best PG, so the 2-guards are splitting those duties. Don’t think that is a recipe for success.
Also, Kone injured his knee in the off season and Gligorije Rojocivich(sp?) broke his nose this week, so we’re missing size behind Eubanks.
Man, I don’t even know the roster well enough to say. I remember they had Stacy, who sucked (is he on the team?). Thompson seemed like the best option as a faux PG. Who are the other options? I need some education so I know what to look for tonight.
Watch Ethan Thompson, Zach Reichle. Should be impact freshman.
Stacy will be the end of the bench. He’ll get action in blowouts and non conf.
I’m watching the Zona Football game from last year and two things…man I do miss M3 and for all the love we give Nall he does fumble the ball.
OSU men’s bball report:
Eubanks will try to dunk, pass or dribble and lose the ball 3-5 times,
Ethan Thompson will be reliable,
Steven will be the de facto PG and take more shots because of it,
Tres will be the difference between winning and losing
Jaquori might play defense this year,
Guy to watch is Xavier Smith, smooth and athletic, best guard instincts on the team
Big G will give maximum effort and be more reliable/steady than Eubanks
Reichle needs time to settle into the rotation and trust his game
They will try to run again this year, which might work until teams don’t lt them. Then they will rely on chucking 3’s to win. It may work, lots of decent shooters, whether they can break any full court pressure is the question.
Last year’s problem stemmed from lack of ball handlers leading to big turnover numbers, not much has changed, except experience and maturity I guess.
18 wins is the cap I think.
I don’t understand why they went away from the slow pace this seemed to help with there ability on D and give the team to me just a different identity that seemed to work.
“Last year’s problem stemmed from lack of ball handlers leading to big turnover numbers, not much has changed, except experience and maturity I guess.”
Not sure I agree, especially with the smaller line-up on the floor this group looks to have several ball handlers. JMO
wow the refs are call just craziness out there tonight and Coach gets a T on top of it
I’ve heard way to many whistles for only 10 minutes of basketball. Guess that is to be expected in game 1 but I don’t miss this about NCAA hoops
It appears Nike finally gave us hoops shorts to go with the sports bras.
Beavs hoops looks pretty good from what I’ve watched.
This small lineup with Tres/Hollins/Manuel/Thompson’s is pretty fast and plays hard on defense. Fun to watch despite having 2 freshman out there.
Also nice to see Tres and Eubanks shooting free throws we’ll.
Everybody looks just a little bigger this year and less like young kids, like they have been the last couple of years.
It was interesting. It also won’t win any conference games.
Totally agree, too small. Most teams would just slow it down and post us up over and over.
Should make for some entertaining non-con games at least
Holy shit, tinkle hits a 3/4 quart buzzer beater at half time buzzer.
Made it look like a jump shot
“quart” lol……
3/4 court shot…………….
Now that’s the kind of luck of the Beavs that I like :-)
E.Thompson has played very well. Better than his brother for sure.
He’s better all-around for sure.
I was surprised at how well E boarded… and passed.
Skill o the beavs ;)
Austin Kafentzis, GA’s QB, playing tailback for BYU tonight.
Mens team looked good. Freshmen looked very comfortable out there.
Definitely do not want Jonathan Smith as a HC. He has called four identical counter plays from the same formation in one game and Stanford has caught on. He does not get his playmakers the ball in space.
Heard a stat today that Stanford is 7-0 when they are the underdogs at home vs Vegas odds.
Apparently you didn’t hear it correctly.
Would you like to try again?
Maybe I didn’t hear it correctly. I don’t understand betting so…
Your stat requires that Stanford, in over 100 years of football, have only been underdogs at home seven times, according to Vegas. So we look at Vegas, where gambling has only been legal since 1931, and we see that sports books have only been legal since 1951. Does that mean Vegas didn’t have a line on Stanford games before those dates?
Anyway, I find it hard to believe you can get past the Teevens years to find Stanford losing a lot of home games in which they were the underdog.
It may not be you, if you’re not used to thinking in terms of numbers. You might be trusting a source you shouldn’t trust.
jax you are so wonderful and intelligent, can you lead the way??
I can’t lead those who don’t want simplicity and transparency. In your case, I just have no tolerance for stupidity.
Hoops looked good. Much quicker and under control. I liked the man to man D. Ethan Thompson will be a bad ass. More confidence this year. Nice ball movement too. Not guys standing around with their thumbs in their ass.
Yeah, leave the grab assing up to me!
… or POTUS… or Roy Moore.
I’m betting Harvey wishes he was an invisible rabbit right now.
Arizona 44, OSU 20
Feel 20 points is about all OSU can produce. Offense isn’t good enough and team hasn’t had a winning road mentality since Alamo team. Don’t see the defense stopping Tate who should rush for 220 and throw for 220 by himself. Hoping the game will be somewhat watchable but if Beavs get behind by 14 or more in 1st half, I dont see that gap narrowing. Calisthenics on the sidelines isn’t going to help Oregon St win the game.
Didn’t like Eggers take that all Les talk was misinformation. Thought the GT original piece or an O article said per multiple sources there was interest expressed. Then goes on to hype a June Jones who no one wants. He did have sense to realize Baldwin checks a number of boxes for OSU. I’m not sure Les is going to have a ton of good options though so see OSU as a place that would welcome him to start Mardi Gras in Corvallis.
Maybe you can answer my question.
What boxes does Beauner check, besides having a built-in nickname?
Does OSU even have boxes which can be checked?
I see no standards for choosing the next coach. People are just throwing out names like Willy and Nilly, saying they check boxes. But there are no apparent boxes.
Recruiting would be a no. He’s from the West Coast, but he has FCS connections. So he’s good at low hanging fruit. I’d be willing to bet he’s the worst recruiter on the Cal staff.
FBS success is a no.
FBS experience is a no.
I think he hung 50+ against UW at CenturyLink stadium. Beat OSU and WSU multple times. Won on the road in heart of ACC to open the season. 475 yards and 16 more first downs against Beavs this year. Has a consensus last place team in a bowl with one more win. Blew out WSU this year while Cougs were highly ranked. West coast ties, interviews well without just blowing coach speak.
Clearly a thinker and adapts. Also like that he does press interviews every week as OC at Cal. He has had all this year to get a current taste of what it takes to win in the Pac-12 and really know the landscape. Him making new connections in California only helps and keeping Hall on staff for further recruiting in that state sets up well.
Another box as Angry has pointed out is he can be had at a reasonable rate so OSU doesn’t overspend and take on higher risk. Short of a Frost or Miles there are few out there worth spending more on. Beavs will probably be too slow to get Norvell at a decent rate. At the right point in his career arc to make the move and give his prime years to Oregon State. Best as OC works.
Okay.
So he’s good on opening day and is cheap.
Are those boxes we have at OSU?
You don’t get to blame his O for the Wazzu win, btw.
I will dismiss all your ideas if you’re going to claim that one.
Offensive scheme is a poor fit.
No D doesn’t help.
Hiring a staff would be difficult with his limited connections.
Is anyone seeing why Wilcox was taking a huge chance on him, and a realistic media responded as such? I mean, he’s a nice guy who knows football and won some games in a completely different world. About the most positive comparison was the recent hire of Joe Moorhead. But he has not repeated that success.
Oregon State fans: “This may very well be the most important coaching hire in the history of the program. Oregon State can’t afford to get this one wrong”
Same Oregon State fans: ” We should hire an unproven FCS coach with limited FBS staff connections and very little Pac-12 recruiting experience. Oh yeah, and he leads one of the lowest ranking offenses in the Pac currently. Perfect fit! He’s the perfect guy for the most important hire in the history of the program because he will cost us $500K less than the next guy.”
Right?
And nobody wants to tell me what I am clearly missing that they didn’t say many times already.
The herd is strong with this one.
Andersen was a bust and Beavs spent more on him. Was a little older than ideal too.
Basically OSU had 3 shells in front of them. Andersen, Baldwin and Wilcox. They had a 67% chance at a decent hire but using the thinking that spending more equals better coach and age 50 means experience they chose the dud.
Both Wilcox or Baldwin would have been vast improvements over the ineptitude displayed by GA. Only by grace is OSU out of the choker hold of GA’s contract and poorly decided extension.
In addition to that, wtf does ideal age mean?
You hire the best coach, regardless of age.
They’re only going to be coaching here for 4 years tops anyway. The successful coach will get poached, the loser coach will get canned.
Get the best coach who can last 4 years, regardless of age.
So we’re falling into the trap of “whatever we did last time didn’t work, let’s do the opposite!”
And where did you get the idea we only had 3 shells?
And when was Wilcox even considered one of our only 3 options last time?
We have infinant shells right now. Turn them all over and pick the best one. Not the one shell that is still there from last time because nobody else wanted it.
I’ll agree on Wilcox with 20/20 hindsight.
Baldwin is a no-go for that argument. He would not have and will not do better at OSU. He might fit at some loosy-goosy place like ASU… in about four years, once he has some experience and/or success.
Hearing one side of a phone call in Beauner’s office:
“Hey Aranda! Big Beau here calling to offer you a job.
‘Beau who? Beau-Dacious! Beau Baldwin. “The Big Beauner” they call me now, head coach at OSU. No. Oregon State. Beavers. Uh-huh. Corvallis. Oregon.
Where did I head coach previously? Eastern Washington.
Hello? Hello?!?
Mens hoops get’s a “W”. I almost forgot how to spell that.
just watching a little of the Nebraska/Minnesota game before heading out on errands before tonights’s Beav game. Hard to believe that the Gopher team that POUNDED the Beavs in September doesn’t even have a winning record. [Truly, if OSU hadn’t lucked out and beaten an otherwise winless (as appears to be its destiny) Portland State team, this might have been one of the most futile football seasons in not only OSU history, but in all of college football history. We came THAT close.}
And then to see Nebraska give up the opening kickoff for a touchdown that was almost uncontested just goes to show how Riley gets his teams ready to play. Not.
We lost at home by 30 to Minny because we have Kevin Mcgiven and Kevin Clune, the biggest fucking retards to ever coach football
Nope.
2011 was possibly the most embarrassing season for OSU when not coached by an Avezzano.
I can’t stand Les Miles
That’s possibly the most valid argument against him.
I can’t stand losing.
OT – any compelling games on today worth watching?
TCU @ Oklahoma looks good…
BeaverGopher must be having a great day. Gophers up 27-7 on Nebraska with 6 minutes till half
He’s not the only one :-D
Get ready to post that nebby radio link.
30-14 at the half. MN looking to put up 60!
They just need to wait til Smiley gets his own players in the program, or was it an airport they lacked? One thing I know for certain, it’s not Smiley’s fault, he does more with less.
Just wait til that shitty mobile QB is gone and Simple Jack gets his amazing freshman pro style quarterback.
MN report. Our shifty offense looks great against simple jack. Mikey looks cold and stopped over
Having fun predicting the play calls
Commentators pointing out that the Huskers look defeated… Back in the third quarter.
http://player.listenlive.co/52371 after the game #TPB #ChewTheGum
Basketball notes,
Guard depth is not an issue.
Length is not an issue.
Angry – Stacy didn’t even make it into the blowout. Tanner Sanders got a couple min before him.
Front court depth will be an issue against taller teams. Big g and kone will help a lot once healthy. Berger can only do 5 min of so. Max 8.
Freshman don’t play like freshman. They play with confidence. All attacked the rim at least once when the lane opened up. Reichle will need to find his shot outside to see more minutes. With the other scorers out there, most of his shots will be catch and shoots.
Jaquouri will likely be the pg. It’ll be tough transition, but he needs to be a distributing pg vs a scoring pg.
Lots of scoring options on the floor.
Defense can still be improved.
Free throws!!!! Good make %. If they finish above 70% on the year, it’ll be a good sign to make the tourney.
Drew’s FT shooting last night was an underrated weapon. When he would get the ball down low I found myself hoping he would draw a foul rather than get off a clean shot(because he couldn’t make the clean shots, and I’ll gladly trade that for 85% FT shooting any day of the week.
Let’s hope his free throw shooting holds up on the road.
I was at the game (you can see me in one of the videos of Tres’ three shot, which was awesome by the way)!
I agree with everything you say above and want to add that the freshmen are going to be good. I was really impressed with Hollins’ ability to play above the rim.
The officiating last night was atrocious! Nearly 60 combined fouls were called, it was nuts! Wish there was some way to call technicals on the refs.
This is GOLD?
How many unused time outs does smiley have left at the end of the game?
Danny is in heaven, down by four scores he can completely ignore running the all and just call pass play after pass play…hip, hip, hooray
Disappointing day if the row boat doesn’t hang 60 on big red?
“But Bo lost all the big games!”
At least Bo had a record that let big games exist. No big games when you’re under .500!
Riley smiling on the sideline with 19 seconds left losing by 34. So Riley.
He’s such a nice guy, at least nebby fan is enjoying…”Riley is seriously smiling”
Come on Gophers, get to 50 and put the nail in the coffin.
YES
“There’s no reasonable reason — considering where the defensive program was at — to believe that they should be able to do everything that needs to be done in the game, to win the game”
Bob Diaco is the best. He’s also completely contradicting Riley on the administration mandating the rugby tackling. What a mess *chew chew chew*
From husker board…
“Firing Banker and hiring Diaco may have been the most significant mistake Riley has made that leads to his firing. I feel like with Banker still here, we probably win half the games we’ve lost”
Pining for Banker? You know you’ve hit rock bottom nebster.
“This is the most pathetic display I have ever seen on the field and I would love MR gone at the end of the game, but who cares at this point.”
Mike Riley taking his timeouts down 33 to savor the last remaining seconds of his coaching career. Storybook ending
And his poor QB takes a sack on both plays lol
Indicative of Riley’s selfish nature.
I’m actually going to the game tonight. Probably will leave at halftime. Talked to a parent this morning who said no coaches will be back. Parent was emotional about coaches inability to see talent. Player is sticking it out, but after giving up schollIes to other P-12 schools to end up in this mess of a program, I wanted to tell them to transfer. Said the team doesn’t get down about losses anymore, guys go out to party after getting their ass kicked.
That makes me sad :(
Apathy is toxic.
A parent of a player says that all the coaches are gone. Must be true as I’m sure all parents of players are privy to that type of information at this juncture. If that’s the case then Barnes sucks at his job. And why would recruits still be committing if everyone knows the coaches are all gone? Could be the case I guess but Makes no sense.
Point b: as a college football player which is only a couple years of your life. You get your ass kicked and embarrassed on tv. After game options:
A) go home and sulk
B) go party and try to get laid
You’re telling me the 20 years old are choosing to party? Must be terrible people who have quit trying lol
If the players know the coaches are all gone, including Hall, then I expect Cats by 35 tonight.
Does that mean Barnes has his guy signed and he already has his staff?
Please, great beaver in the sky, if we get beau, give him a dc who is not scared of mobile qbs.
Ps. A dc with a history of putting mobile qbs out of the game would be better.
Please, great beaver in the sky, give us a coach that’s not a beauner
From Corn Nation:
“Remember that guy from Oregon State that kept saying “Thank You”? Well he was right, we are poor bastards.”
#TPB
#deadgumchewerwalking
https://i.imgur.com/osZJBjh.jpg
That’s a TD for Iowa St. Announcers are idiots
Replay guy must be the dux vs okla guy
Is there anything on the internet that tracks bicycle movement? I was curious how far Smilin’ Mike has made it towards the Colorado state line by now? Chewing and pumping hard, he has to be making decent time unless someone in a ’85 Chevy Half Ton ran him over outside of Kimball.
Welp, there’s *always* next season