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Danny Moran’s Appeal to Authority Puff Piece — Further Evidence Mike Riley is the Head Coach

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Yet more praise for Riley today from Moran. First we hear there was no real search conducted and Riley 3.0 (with Smith as a token figurehead) was a done deal from the get go, then we have to hear Riley on  more radio shows than Jonathan Smith, with the hosts raving about how great it is he’s back in town. Next, we see Riley in more photos with recruits than Smith.  Now we have the media trying to seal the deal with an appeal to authority: if two guys in the NFL, Seumalo and Peko, like Riley 3.0, then it must be a great thing. It’s also an appeal to emotion: the familiar Riley back in town where the old-guard can feel good and reminisce about a few lucky seasons ten years ago when the Pac-10 was bad.

This is just a really sad situation. I thought “Jonathan Riley” was a fair moniker for this two headed beast, but now my worst fears are coming to fruition and this looks more and more like “Mike Smith”.

This isn’t Smith’s team, and Chris Petersen is long out of sight and out of mind at this point. Riley is the guy in his ear, and worse, in all the media outlets and recruiting shots. By the start of the season our head coach might not be Jonathan Riley or Mike Smith, but simply Mike Riley…yet again. Beaver boosters simply cannot get out of their own way.

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    • Golly, thanks for the support! I promise I’ll do my goshdarned best to restore this program back to mediocrity. Ummmmm delete backspace I mean I’m just here to support Jonathan!

      • Well you did want someone on the cheap. Casey’s brother at George Fox is making more than OSU is paying Riley. Careful what you wish for?

        • According to Riley fan four years ago, Casey’s brother at George Fox knows more about football than Riley.

          He obviously knows more about business and honor. But that’s a really really low bar right now.

  1. Ewww, why are you linking O-Live drivel? There should be some webfilter to prevent that garbage from making its way to my computer.

  2. I can see a situation where things don’t improve and someone we all know and love becomes “interim” head coach in the not so distant future. Gosh darn it, someone has to step up!

  3. When Gambrell got pulled, Yeskie said to somebody “…clown show, why don’t you get in the fucking game’.

    Anybody know who he was talking to?

    • Gambrell won’t be starting another conference game; at least, not until he shows some improvement in mid-week games vs. Nevada or Portland. I love the application of accountability by Casey–the anti-Riley.

  4. Rueck has some serious explaining to do after this one. The game plan was a joke, gave the ladies no chance. Hard to believe some of those calls by the refs but the coaching is what really put us in a bind.

    • I don’t know about big explaining. He just picked the wrong gameplan and stuck to it despite its failure in the first several possessions.

      It happens.He gets some leeway given the level of competition and the success the team had over the course of the season.

        • They were obviously swarming Gulich on the blocks. Move her to the high post and elbows, and instruct her to move the offense instead of keying on the iso first. Then I would play others at the high post, looking to move the ball to the short corner for Gulich, running a triangle from side to side and providing backpicks for moving guards.

          The way to beat a quick D is to take their legs away from them. The way to take their legs is to make them run a shell for about five minutes… or more if they don’t make adjustments with their bench. Catching them on the move provides open lanes down the key and open shots in the mid-range and an extra pass here and there for some perimeter shots.

          I get the sense Scotty wants them to be patient to move the D. But I get nervous when too many passes occur, passing up good shots in the process. I’d be a little more free with open shots early in the clock. But then I would also coach up transition quite a bit differently than he does. I’m not going to leave points off the board like that if they’re offering them. I’m taking those points until they stop. It only takes a couple lay-ups… maybe you get a steal or a heat check from the corner and make them use a time-out to adjust if you’re lucky. But you have to be able to turn your transition game on and off like a spigot.

          I would have also put a body on the blocks just to disrupt their flow on O. Grymek is clay right now, but she’s enough to not get shoved around and make them shoot from the line for a couple minutes to slow the game. Foul management wasn’t great in that game, not that it was a top concern.

    • Did anyone out there see this year’s version of the WBB team as a Final Four team? I’d say no one did. They were just overwhelmed by Louisville. As with last year, just too much reliance on one player offensively–Gulich this year, Sydney Wiese last year–and when that player has a bad performance then the bus grinds to a halt. When Gulich fouled out early in the 4th the wheels completely fell off. Rueck shouldn’t be immune from criticism though and I wonder if he’s going to be able to make that jump from fielding teams that are good to fielding teams that are elite. To me it’s more on the offensive side of the ball and if he can bring players into the program to be competitive with the tournament #1 seeds. So far the answer is no. Getting to the EE with this group was a pretty nice accomplishment.

      • Maybe I’m part of the problem, elite 8 for this team and 4 straight sweet sixteens is quite a resume for Scott. If he can keep this program at that level, we should keep paying the man. I would call this program “new” elite. He can get in the house of any major recruit at this point.

      • Not a FF team… but they were a borderline top ten team. So their tourney performance shouldn’t be surprising to anyone except the morons whose metrics we use for tourney seeding.

  5. Big props to Gulich though in the post game only calling out the refs once and then holding back on throwing Scott completely to the wolves in front of the media. She could’ve really let him have it. At least she lost with class.

    • The only games I’ve been to this year have been on Sundays, not sure yesterday was any different than the previous, given the eyeball test. May be time to find another starter and move Grant out. If Casey et al can’t find a reliable 3rd arm there will be a lot more 2-1 series to come.

  6. Frankly, might as well fold the football team at this point. We’re obviously not interested in competing, obviously not interested in any fans other than geriatrics obsessed with the 28 seasons of losing, and obviously not interested in anything other than acting as a retirement fund for Mike Riley.

    Actually, come to think of it, “Go Mike Riley Retirement Funds!” has a nice ring to it. It would be a more honest name than Beavers, anyway.

    I’ve already decided to not spend a dollar on Oregon State, but news like this has me wondering whether I’ll watch the games at all.

    • News like what? There was no news?! A lazy reporter threw a question at Riley about former players.. what is news to you??

      • The fact is that JSmith is an afterthought to the media. If they don’t seek out any comments from him for these types of stories, he isn’t being taken seriously. Which leads to the obvious conclusion that the media acknowledge the ruse as much as we suspect the ruse. Mike Riley will be viewed as the face of OSU football as long as he is on staff.

        I think a legitimate comparison is how Lincoln Riley took over at OU but Bob Stoops was around, not on payroll or giving interviews as a part of the program.

        Mike Riley doesn’t see the sense in such an approach for the young coach to have room to be the guy that ought to be answering media calls. It is too bad for OSU fan base in general to be lied to and conned by this nonsense.

        No more money or emotion goes to OSU while Riley is on pay-roll. I want to root for the players, but I can’t root for the program run by weak small minded visionaries who long for 1998, as theie high water mark of Riley accomplishment, ironically. Get over the losing streak and take a risk beyond Mr Nice Guy Riley.

        Mike SMIley was accurate after all. JS is worth only about 3 letters in the co-coach con we now have.

        • Why would Kyle Peko be so happy about Riley? Riley’s failure to follow through with Peko’s academic muddle kept Peko off the field an additional year. I am waiting for the first spring practice photo of Smith and Riley standing together whilst showing Riley saying something and Smith listening attentively. I don’t get the cult thing – Riley was,as best, a mediocre coach.

          • Just logged on after visiting Goss. Glad to see someone else remembers the Peko fiasco.

            With all his warts, GA at least rode Peko’s butt to eligibility. Riley, surprise, was out to lunch and couldn’t be bothered to do or delegate his job in this instance. Sadly, not an isolated shortcoming.

            I always felt and said that if there was a true beat reporter assigned to Beaver FB we wouldn’t have been strung along with the online ballet class…or was it bowling. Wouldn’t have taken a professional background checker to have gotten the story in (close to) real time.

          • You’re being kind of harsh, Danny Moran’s background check syndicate was just in it’s initial stages back in the Peko days and did not have the means to extract the kind of data it now gets.

        • I’m 90% sure the people saying Riley is just a mentor are naive as to how the world works, can’t pick up on context clue, or are total morons. If Smith the clear leader come August and leads to Beavs to new heights I’ll eat my hat. Given how the past few months have played out, I’d give that 10% chance of happening. And no, being better than GA does not qualify as success.

          • sadly, being better than 1-11 WILL be the metric for Smith going forward. As someone above me in this thread intimated, the bar, going forward, is not Riley II (a six-7 win season) but Riley I–3-5 win seasons.

    • I won’t watch. Didn’t renew. Won’t give to the AD at all… not even ASEF.

      No more. The AD is slug bait in a depressing world of losers… losers with no standards. I can’t give or support them in any way in good faith. So I won’t gift anymore to the athletic side.

      I’ll wait until they bring their C game.

        • Mmmm… duck breast cooked in duck fat!

          Why do you think I’m a Duck?

          Just curious.

          I don’t think that of you, despite your limited knowledge of OSU. I think you’re pretty un-American, espousing your super-patriot talking points. But I don’t blame you for your lack of free thought. You just say/write/repeat what you’re told.

          I’m not holding my breath for you to have an original thought. And I’m not going to incorrectly call on fate as some pseudo-Christian neo-belief that places you here as a contributor, un-original as you are.

          But I am interested to find out why you think this is the place you belong, if that’s what you’re doing. We’re die-hard Beavs here. You don’t seem to know what that is quite yet.

        • And what’s your fascination with deadlifts?

          Do you hang around gyms hoping to get a glimpse of anyone who might challenge your deadlifto prowess?

    • True. Some sloppy baseball and sub-par pitching.

      Adley continues to compete with energy and skill. Seeing it live, the tag he made at the plate looked solid; that throw from Kwan wasn’t too shabby either. Picking off the runner at second was another example of heads up play by Adley (another in a long line of very good defensive catchers).

  7. Whats with Riley’s twitter? Header has shown Beavs related stuff since he was announced, but until 4 days ago, no tweets since a Neb related one 25Nov17.
    @Coach_Riley

    Speaking of twitter, anyone have a current one for Jim Wilson?

      • Thanks, that’s the address I had. Somehow I got the impression he’d switched to a new acct.

        He made some interesting observations, some of which required a little reading between the lines, some didn’t!
        Remember this one from last July:“OSU Football opens @ CSU, PSU & Minnesota at home, @ WSU. Great opportunity; not a ‘preseason.’ Makes incumbent Marcus McM man to beat at QB

  8. At this point, we can all agree that with Riley at the helm, we will never be in the top third of the PAC ever. Hip hip….. Old time Beaver Riley bone sliders (say I that three times in a row fast); the saddest group of “Back in my day” booster supporters the Northern Hemisphere has ever witnessed… next to Canada or the KKK

    • Not that your rant makes much sense, but Riley making the top third of the Pac standings is why Riley is an untouchable at OSU for the down-in-fronts.

      It’s his apex. So it follows that him reaching his apex means OSU is done looking for more than the guy who was a part of the 28 years… and would have made it 29 if he hadn’t quit on OSU.

    • Can’t stand Duke, Coach K proudly hosts (or maybe it’s off the air by now?), one of the most boring satellite radio programs in history with “Basketball and Beyond”. Need to sleep, turn that baby on! Maybe it’s rumor, but I heard the schmuck tried to get his coaching W-L record changed for the season that Duke had a losing record when he left mid-season for his convenient surgery. It was his team, own it.

  9. I hope Angry is wrong on this line of J. Smith just being a front. I do think there is some circular logic to the conclusions that get you there. I think using the same lazy reporters that protected Riley II saying positive things about Riley as evidence that he is really in charge… Or, saying that you see more pictures of Riley with recruits… When you believe something to be true and selectively collect data points to prove your belief, that is not FACTS.
    I will reserve judgement until I see the product on the field before I jump out of the plane. I don’t consider myself naive or a moron, I just prefer to see for myself rather than getting caught up in hysteria. Angry could be proven right, wrong or even some of both. I’m quite confident he won’t be eating his hat though, because the “facts” can always support either side of an argument depending on how you gather them.

    • Have you seen Smith in recruiting photos or heard him on the radio more or less than Riley? Is Riley in these photos and on these radio shows more than other “assistants”?
      The biggest issue is my best contact is a Corvallis businessman, and he said this was all planned and staged from the start. The photos just support his claim, which he says is “common knowledge” in town these days.

      I don’t want it to be true, either. I liked the Smith hire before Riley took over. Smith even talks like Riley. It just sucks right now. Hopefully he winds up being great and Riley fades, but for now I believe what I was told and what I’m seeing.

      • He is more wrong than wrong. Explain the definition of common knowledge and then ask yourself if it fits here. It doesn’t. It isn’t. He’s wrong. He’s a gossiper.

        • If you want to pretend Riley has a place at OSU, you must accept that this is the least of what you should expect when you make that really chump decision.

          If you dislike or are surprised by this reaction, you obviously don’t have a grasp on the reality of the situation.

          i don’t expect you to grasp that which is obvious. If it didn’t make you twinge with disgust immediately, you don’t believe in loyalty to OSU.

          And that’s not me being the gatekeeper of all that. That’s me saying what is real about a guy who quit twice on OSU, quit on Nebby, quit in the strangest way in 2011, which was far worse than last year, quits in the middle of games.

          He’s a fucking quitter. There are no two ways about it.

          He’s nice. He’s a decent coach. He’s a quitter with no loyalty to OSU.

          He doesn’t deserve to draw a paycheck from OSU ever again, for any amount.

      • I own a business in Corvallis too, and I see a lot of people associated with the university, the ad, faculty, staff, coaches, students, student athletes, medical staff and others, I haven’t heard those rumors. That’s not to say the rumors are wrong, but they’re certainly not common knowledge.

        • Maybe you know a different crowd. This is the same guy who said Riley was on campus well before anyone else. Everyone said he was wrong on that, too. That Sidd Finch guy turned out to be a poseur. This guy is the real deal.

          • No he isn’t the real deal. You just told orangejulius that maybe he knows a different crowd…. WELL DANG ANGRY THAT WOULD MEAN ITS NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE!!!!! Damn dude you are so crazy.

            I’ve asked 3 different beaver coaches. None of them believe any of it, which again means it isn’t common knowledge even inside the AD as you said

  10. What exactly was staged? That Riley would come back or that JS would be his puppet? I don’t have as much problem as some with Riley coming on staff as a consultant. If JS only moves his mouth when Riley moves his hands then I will jump on the lynching mob with you. I still think that is a leap since JS was on a nice trajectory to be a head coach on his own terms, why would he be a stooge?

    • Let me try to explain the chronology, because it’s key. The Beavs lost to SC the first weekend in October and GA quit the next Monday. Riley’s fate had probably been sealed in Lincoln several weeks earlier, on Sept 16, after Nebraska lost to Northern Illinois (their Sacramento game). It’s worthy of remark that Nebraska won 1 game after October 7th (the SC weekend), and that was against lowly Purdue. Riley surely saw the writing on the wall after Ohio State killed him 56-14, on October 14th. In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that it was at this point Riley began to mail it in because he knew by this time that he had a return ticket to Corvallis, and the feelers were probably working in both directions. That Riley had folded his tent is amply evident by Nebraska’s last three games: losses of 54-21 to Minnesota, 56-14 to Penn State, and 56-14 to Iowa. [NB: ALL Riley defenders on this site ought to study those numbers and let them sink in.] Riley was in serious conversation with the AD in Corvallis by this time about how to get him back, with Smith being the patsy. The timing for this scenario melds perfectly with Angry’s hypothesis.

      • My guy said Nov 11tth Dee (and “the Riley family”) was openly talking around town about Riley coming back. Smith as HC and Riley as “Assistant” was known Nov 11th. He is a local businessman, had a party with a bunch of professors, etc over, and they all knew about it at that time and said it was “common knowledge”. Again, it was well known around town by Nov 11th, so that means it probably pre-dated that since things take a while to develop. Are the search committee documents public? They should be. I’d love to see what kind of search went down.

        The old guard basically decided they tried a different coach, it didn’t work, so they wanted the safety net back. They engineered something to look like a National search and as if they were trying all directions, but low and behold, that National search just happened to land them two local Beavers! Lolol

        • If this is all true, or even partly true. Barnes has some explaining to do with all the flights around the country (some of those flights were posted here from flight-tracker). If they had their guys or had a deal already in place why was he spending money flying around on the Athletic dept’s dime? And why hire his buddies at the search firm? Sounds like fraud to me.

          • I did. People like you buried your collective head’s in the sand and cried “no”, just like today. Sorry you’re afraid for your job or access to Casey’s butt or something.

          • No you actually didn’t. My job? Haha. Thanks to all the schmucks like you and Jack my job couldn’t be safer. But wait oh hae my IP address so you already know where I work.

          • Don’t drag me into your little tit-for-tat involving what OSU deserves due to their actions.

            Just be prepared for more. Anything dumb is now plausible because we’re already swimming in dumb, again, due to OSU being chumps.

            The down-in-fronts will likely not have to worry about anyone blocking their comfy views for a long while.

        • I’m not trying to be argumentative, I’m just trying to understand. Do your sources say Riley is the coach or that he was given a positionon the staff? I still see a big distinction. I know Jack does not.
          I’m still in the wait and see position as I don’t feel anyone on this site (including myself) is without bias and can objectively determine what fully took place. I agree JS has not been very vocal, although I see that as being consistent with his personality.

          I also hate preseason polls because the pollsters justify through the season why they were correct. I will wait and see the product on the field before I throw JS into the crapper.

          • I see a distinction. I’m just saying it would just be a shit ton more crap in an already crappy hole.

            I’m not worried about finding the potential truth because the reality on the ground is already so bad that any truth will eventually manifest anyway.

            It is highly worrying that our head coach isn’t out there creating his own narrative, leaving it up to quitters like Riley instead. Any clarification would be nice for any of you who would like to have a definitive voice for our chump team.

        • November 11th was the day Nebraska got pounded by Minnesota, by a larger beat-down than the one that they exacted on the Beavs in September. A Minnesota that went 5-7; the two biggest wins versus GA and Riley. Man, what a pair.

          My new tag line for Smith when he inevitably has trouble keeping his head above water is going to be “I’m just a patsy!”

      • Hard to tell for sure when Riley is “mailing it in” given the arc of his career.

        It is certain though, that he saw the writing on the wall before the Ohio St game on Oct 14. This, from SI three weeks earlier, on September 21:

        Shawn Eichorst, who does not block or tackle or coach blocking or tackling, was fired Thursday because the Nebraska football program is not competitive enough….Nebraska admitted Mike Riley’s tenure hasn’t been up to the program’s standards in firing the athletic director who hired him.

        He knew he’d soon be without a platform, without the adoration of press and (some) boosters, ANYWHERE.

    • ” I don’t have as much problem as some with Riley coming on staff as a consultant.” A consultant on staff?? Doesn’t make sense to me.

      Either you are a consultant, giving occasional advice, having discussions with the HC, maybe even observing practice for a few weeks and advising the coaching staff, or as we see, you are on staff as Assistant Head Coach, and quickly becoming the face of the program.

      DE showed class and handled things the right way, offering to consult and not choosing the “MR way” of guilt tripping a former subordinate into giving him a position on staff. JMHO

  11. I’m certainly no expert on pitching, but right now Fehmel and Gambrell are not getting the job done. I’d almost consider moving Jake M. out of the bull pen and into the starting rotation. I know that he’s a great closer but beyond LH, the other starters on just not getting it done. It’ll only get more difficult as the season progresses. One good things about the pitching staff, is they have a lot of depth in the bull pen. Move Jake to the Sunday starter and see if you can get 6-7 quality innings with him. i don’t see this current rotation getting the Beavs to the CWS. It’s very, very thin in terms of quality starters compared to last year’s team.

  12. I mostly find the “Riley return” not necessary, so that does make me wonder why it happened? I always associated Smith more with DE than Riley anyway. Personally, I find Smith sort of awkward in his mannerisms and speech, not entirely comfortable as “the man”. Maybe Riley is here to guide him through that stuff? After two out of the last three seasons as mostly non-competitive shitfests, I’m more concerned with the product on the field improving. I don’t really care who directs it for now.

  13. Just received information from a Beaver whose related to a prominent D1 coach. He doesn’t want me to share the email, but in short, his relative reached out to OSU to show interested in the job. This is a respected coach (though, he is older and many wouldn’t want him) who has built programs and has connections to the area, and who reached out to OSU. He was told they were going in another direction. Didn’t even get an interview. He believes “there is credence” to the lack of a National search.

      • Barnes might have wanted to vacation on OSU’s dime.
        Shouldn’t these records be public? Jack…we need your knowledge of everything for once.

        • Ask Bill over at UOMatters. He should be an expert on it. My sense is that anything OSU related should be open to foia requests. But by hiring a sub-contractor, only the money spent can be tracked. The sub’s actions are proprietary. Even if they were directed by the chumps at OSU, they can’t disclose their actions.

      • If we must trade in conspiracies…
        The problem with finding it would be that you don’t know where to look for the evidence, should it exist. The hiring of a 3rd party could be a cover. It could also be doing the normal thing to make it all look normal. So I wouldn’t even focus on them.

        I highly doubt there’s any written record. Although, people have proven to be much dumber than I believed capable many times in the past couple years. They seem to think doing what they want is fine, despite law, rules, simple etiquette or self-respect. So you never know what’s real with a situation when the original decision was antithetical in the first place. One wrong makes a second wrong seem comparatively normal.

        GA wanted to quit about a month before he was allowed to quit. Remember whatshisname the AD hung around the program and practices for a couple weeks before the USC game. There were full-on rumors in the fan base the week before that the UW game was 9’s interview for the job… that GA had yet to officially quit. He even had to speak publicly about those rumors.

        So at least we know he can speak in public.

        I would look for correspondence around this time between the AD and any intermediaries. Again, I could be wrong given the people involved, but I don’t think they’re dumb enough to have direct correspondences. Tampering with an assistant and/or a head coach without permission is some pretty hefty rule-breaking. It’s also plausible given that OSU has no ethical standards. But I doubt anyone will find any evidence of this chicanery.

        That’s why I choose not to waste time on it. If there is tampering, then report it to the NCAA. We don’t need scum like that at our school. It’s possible given the lack of standards already on display. But it’s not necessary to drag our program down… given the lack of standards already on display.

    • That seemed obvious from the start. Les Miles, Ken Norton, Ken Nematolo, Rick Neuheisel, Rocky Long, all may have been interested, but none really looked at.

      Beau Baldwin was the patsy set-up to drive the discussion into the favor of the hometown hire of Smith. I think the entire process stinks and hope it blows up in their collective faces at this point.

      Barnes should be canned for incompetence and fraud.

      • Erickson petitioned for the job. In fact he sent a letter to Barnes with a clearly laid out 2-3 year plan that would make Smith the head coach after he retired it was basically a “head coach in training” plan. He had quite a few ex-players and boosters all in.
        Last I heard, Barnes never even acknowledge it, not even a thank but no thanks.
        Angry was this your sources coach?

  14. Throwaway article by Moran. just a filler piece.

    Recapping WBB,

    Basically finished where they were expected. Top of the conference and a deep run in the tourney. Those are now the yearly expectations no matter who graduates. Majority of the team were 5 star recruits. It’s a high floor team. Now can they take the next step? maybe.

    Funny stat of the season that is kind of unbelievable. Last year’s team had 526 TOs. This year’s team had 482 TOs. Only had one more TO in conference play than last season. Weird.

    Lot of concern it would be a rebuilding year with Wiese and Hanson leaving. It turned into a reload year. Played better in the tourney than last year. Scored more ppg than last year when the offense was a concern going into the year. Players stepped up to fill the voids. Now can the team step up again to fill Gulich’s shoes? Probably in aggregate.

    An issue with so much talent on the team is that there is only one ball. A starter from this year is going to have to take a bench role.

    Here’s a too early look at the players for next year,
    Slocum – starting pg. She’s more of the traditional PG. Won’t see her leading the team in scoring. Should give the offense higher quality looks.
    Pivec – starting G. Should have a better year without the PG responsibilities. Glue player. Should be a top 3 scorer.
    McWilliams – starting G – her defense is why she gets the nod over Tudor. She’s pretty efficient on the offensive end too. Candidate for all pac12 defensive team.
    Corosdale – starting F – will get to score more. taking marie’s touches. We’ll see if she moves inside. Best candidate to be the next all american.
    Aquino – starting C – won’t be asked to do a lot. Needs to be there for o boards and putbacks. Likely only a 20 min player.

    Tudor – first off the bench. Drew the shortstick, through no fault of her own. Should see plenty of minutes. Rueck can go deeper into his bench in big games.
    Goodman – 2nd off the bench. After some early struggles, proved herself to be sometimes the lone sub. showed she belonged at the end of the year.
    Kalmer – numbers work against her but she’s earned playing time.
    washington – player who can benefit the most from gulich leaving. If she steps up, she’s going to get a lot of playing time.
    Grymek – no real change. She’ll see more min due to Aquino not going 30+ like Marie. needs to get better on offense.
    Thropay – should redshirt since there won’t be much playing time. when she gets her chance, she’ll be a solid player.
    Morris – no idea. She’s tall. Might see some action if no big can handle all the minutes.
    Simmons – probably will redshirt unless she’s highly underrated.

    Expectations will be at least top 3 in the conference and a sweet 16 appearance. Currently the post play is going to be a weakness. A player will need to step up there and with the background they have and Marie graduating, they have the space to grow. Rueck might want to look at a 5 out offense. Shooters all over the floor and a top pg to run it.

    The last expectation will be to keep up the recruiting. Don’t want to get into a true rebuilding year. There are some big time prospects in WA and OR coming. Rueck is now competing year in and year out with the national programs.

    • PK80 should man up and legitimately purchase his championships…you want to buy a championship? Be an NFL or NBA owner….

      I’ll be surprised if he lives long enough to successfully purchase an NCAA championship.

    • Technically, duck is a female term. So lady duck would be redundant.

      Time to try some other quest not involving language for Lindsay. She’s just not good at language.

        • I’m also surprised you didn’t know this.

          drake = male
          duck = female
          duckling = young

          So if anything needs to be done to be gender proper, the men’s teams need to be called the Drakes instead of the inefficiency of being redundant on the other side.

          I also don’t recall OSU sanctioning the use of the term Lady Beavers… like… ever. The obvious double entendre prohibits its use. It was a stark contrast to Baylor’s press and write-ups. They were Lady Bears all over the place. I also don’t recall Nikegon doing this, though I do hear some of their fans use it sometimes, at which timeI explain to them their reduncancies.

          I think Lindsay is tilting at windmills here. If she’s talking to people who are using these terms, perhaps she should just not talk to those people anymore.

          • You’re sort of correct however, the generic term for ducks (male or female) is duck. So your male duck is a drake and is also a duck.

          • I understand the colloquial term for the species is duck. So calling all of them the Ducks is fine and proper in that way.

            But if you want to get all gendery about it, you then have to use the proper terms for that context.

          • Not colloquial… common.

            I guess this speaks to the proper use of symbols by institutions of higher learning. We have several generations of Zonies who grew up thinking a trident is a fork. People will believe anything if you program them from an early age. When a university does it, they’re not doing the their students, the public or themselves any service.

          • No, duck it is not the scientific name. It’s the common name for the entire family of duck genera. Anatidae is the corresponding scientific name to the common name, duck. And every species within each genus has their own scientific names.

          • Jack,

            how fucking dare you assume a duck’s gender????? In this social construct society we live in there’s probably ifinite genders of Anatidae. You can fully expect an Anatidae protest for your beliefs and actions you genderphobe oppressor. You’ve been outed!

            https://imgflip.com/i/1jcdqo

    • Nicebeaver, some lady thanked canzano in this tweet. Please let her know about Johns respect for women by advertising strip clubs on his radio show.

    • Her twitter bio is awesome…………………

      Lindsay SchnellVerified account
      @Lindsay_Schnell
      college hoops & football for @usatodaysports |talking head at @NBCSNorthwest | George Horton lookalike contest winner | annoying, loudmouth, fat ass, destroyer of shoes, cake, concrete and seismographs |

        • I’m still confused by this Schnell stuff. I thought she landed some big national job? Did she ever actually leave Oregon or did she leave and return within a short period of time?

          • She is now with USA Today.
            orangejulius is correct in the similarities to Bikey, actually she even kept (and occupied) her abode in Oregon even when she had the SI gig.

          • Thanks for the clarification, it’s confusing because she pops up now and then with usually misguided takes on Beaver sports and tries to act like an insider, but I didn’t see her associated with any Oregon paper.

    • But, being called bitches, sluts, ho’s or whatever else in rap music though = A-OK!

      Yep. Call em lady “xxxxx” and that’s offensive? No wonder more and more younger men are emasculated “beta” males. Fortunately, not everyone buys their bullshit.

      I’m sure Jackie will cry strawman………..

  15. I think that sort of sentiment has been out there for a long time anyway. I was in a college journalism class many, many years ago and a female classmate was reading some of her work to the class and used the term “lady” in her story. She was immediately stopped by the female professor and told to edit that word out. I don’t remember the exact details but something about it being a derogatory word towards women in general.

    • The times, they are a changin’
      So far, the females I’ve held a door for have been appreciative. I haven’t decided how I’ll respond when one tells me how offensive that sexist move is. It’ll happen.

      • Who cares?

        You’re creating some angst-filled scenario that hasn’t even happened yet… why?

        I open doors for all sorts of people. Some say thanks, some don’t. Some awkwardly stand there and motion to me to go ahead. Some motion to me because they need to hold the door for someone with them. I suppose someone someday may stick their tongue out when I do it.

        But why would I fill myself with dumb angst when I can just chalk it up to someone having a bad day… or the fact that there are just people out there who are so wrapped up in some angst-filled narrative that they can’t help but create it in real life?

        And then I can just go back to doing what I was doing knowing that most people are appreciative of little niceties.

    • I’ve never heard it was derogatory. It’s incorrect in terms of its use when not openly bestowing respect on a targeted woman or group of women, as the use of the word gentlemen would be improper to describe men in general. But that’s just a point of accuracy.

      So it sounds like the professor made the student do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

  16. You’re being hysterical in this post. You’re presenting this “done deal’ bullshit like it is a fact.

    It is a rumor (that you basically started) and now you are presenting it as a fact.

  17. 40 years from now there will be a wax figure of MR, slightly hunched over and dressed in multiple layers (despite the weather being in the mid-50’s) standing on the Beav sideline and not surprisingly this “paraffin man” will be just as an effective of a coach.

        • Lundeberg got the answer, Luke will not go on Thursday.

          A couple remarks by Nate:

          “You throw strikes to get ahead in the count, then you can get hitters out with balls,” Yeskie said. “It’s really all dictated on how you command the strike zone, and for us we just have to do a better job of commanding it. And when we’re in the driver’s seat 0-2, we’ve got to put the bat to bed and get it over with.”

          And regarding Luke, “I think that he’s making a positive out of whatever life has dealt him,” Yeskie added. “I think that everybody gets knocked down from time to time from whatever it is. You ask any (of his current or former teammates) and they love the guy. He’s a tremendous teammate and the way that he works … we’ve had hard workers, don’t get me wrong, and nobody has ever out-worked him.”

          Read Lundeberg’s piece for more, BTW Nate presents himself very well, on TV interviews as well as the material he provides to scribes; to me, he is kinda the polar opposite of the face of the FB team. I was impressed by how he handled TV interviews while Pat “Beaker” Casey was being disciplined.

          http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/osu-baseball-beavers-pitching-depth-to-be-tested/article_04863342-7680-5db9-a2ff-6ebb62ed9307.html

          • Luke not going on Thursday is in keeping what Casey has done with his pitchers in the past. Nate said that Luke has put on 10-15 lbs from last year and that it’s all muscle. I believe I heard that Luke touched 96 against Cal. Agree that Nate was very good in the P12 tv interview. If Tweedt has been throwing well in workouts I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start on Thursday.

            When Fehmel spots his pitches he can be very good, e.g. last year’s SR. When he doesn’t he’s just throwing batting practice.

            Very disappointing start for Gambrell on Sunday. Abel was all over the place. He showed what he could be during the quick 1-2-3 inning and next inning….

  18. Newsy item out of Pitt today, as they’ve hired Jeff Capel away from Duke to coach their MBB team.
    Apparently Capel was interested in the job 2 years ago, back when Barnes was conducting the coaching search, but was never considered for the job. The Barnes hires his guy Kevin Stallings, and we all know what a train wreck that was.

    Hard to imagine Barnes not giving consideration to a coaching candidate….i kid…i kid…

    https://twitter.com/PaulZeise/status/978695729295261696?s=19

  19. I believe I’m not alone in hoping Tibesar and the D can keep the Beavs competitive in most/all games this year. He has made a point of emphasizing his focus on FUNDAMENTALS. Example: “At my core as a coach, I’m a fundamentalist,” Tibesar said. “I really believe in order to play great defense, it’s not based on scheme, it’s based on four core fundamentals of defense and those are: pursuit, block destruction, tackling, and creating takeaways. Those are the things that we are really going to emphasize. ….”
    I like that.

    One of my concerns re: Bikey’s position on staff is the question of how that will impact Trent Bray’s approach. Hopefully exposure to the Neb “Black Shirt” approach will counteract that.

    That said, here (from Blitz) is the kind of talk which gives me confidence in Tibesar:

    “We watched film on last year but we didn’t watch so much that we made a huge impression on who these guys are ,” Tibesar said. “I want to let them show us who they are through their practice habits, what they’re doing in the weight room, and then obviously spring practice is going to be part of that for showing us what they can do on the football field.”

      • I sent my son to a tackling camp called the “Pankey Way”, do you think he has a chance to be a starting LB for The Beavs in about 9 years?

    • I was fine with Tibesar’s comments until he said he didn’t watch so much to get an impression of “who the guys are”. Maybe, but these coaches are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, they know who the hell is out there and what their capabilities are long before spring practice starts. I know it’s coach speak to keep the players motivated, but I get tired of it.

      • Coach speak for sure, but I like his brand better than many we’ve heard.

        Early in his stint here he was on the radio listing those four core fundamentals and saying that tackling is the most important job of EVERY player regardless of position.

        He plans to practice some aspect of tackling during every practice session. Will Riley quit the team again if this actually happens?

    • From the fan base out here in Nebraska, the “Black Shirts” aspect was reinstated, but the mindset and the history behind it was lacking with Riley at the helm. Hard nosed, tough, stick it to the other team defense is what the Black Shirts is supposed to represent. Players that received the Black Shirts wouldn’t have deserved them under Scott Frost or Tom Osborne’s watch; according to Husker fans.

      • Thanks, I was actually afraid that might be the case.

        Still a glimmer of hope that Bray has been exposed to an organization that values D and, it seemed to me, almost treated D as a separate outfit with it’s own culture.
        Had hoped this would minimize the effect of Bikey on Bray and the D………….and, yes, I realize the Assistant HC/TE Guru is on the O side, but we know how Bikey leans on past subordinates!

        • To be quite frank, Husker fans wanted Trent Bray to stay on staff. Everyone liked his mentality and the LB’s were the only players that had somewhat of consistent defensive techniques compared to the other positions. AKA, LB’s carried the defense. I’m hopeful that JS will tell offensive coaches to stay out of Tib’s and Assistants’ way this season. We haven’t had a competent DC in many years at OSU that most of us forget what that looks like. Tibesar seems to have his ideals/philosophies that JS wanted so he(JS) didn’t have to baby sit his coaching staff. He seems to be the type of coach that is no nonsense, do your job, I hired you to do your job, type of coach.

      • I am a little tired of the black shirt shit, Huskers have had some crap defenses off and on for the past 20 years, it wasn’t just Riley. I’m kind of hoping Frost is not able to restore it, they are a delusional fan base, who never understood the changes in the game and the scholarship changes.

      • Doubt they’d directly intersect, but it isn’t out of the question for MR to express to JS any reservations he might have regarding the methods of ANYONE on the staff.
        And the effect of having MR as Asst HC seems likely to inhibit input from both “newcomers” and those who have worked under MR in the past.

        FWIW, I am pleased with the non-Riley guys who JS has hired. I hope and believe Tibesar, in particular, is strong enough to speak his mind even when counter to MR’s ideas. I do wonder though if Riley’s laid back approach may undermine new/fresh ideas, especially with guys like Cookus and Bray, and several on the support staff.

        “And if they disagreed?” Sets up a test of JS’s ability; first to realize that even subtle disagreement can be a cancer and then to recognize and effectively deal with it.
        One thing sure, Tibesar actually has options and talent which makes him marketable to many teams; Riley, not so much.

        • I already hope for a sequence of events that result in a house-cleaning of Barnes, JS, Riley, Bray, Cookus…anyone who was a Riley subordinate needs to be out.

          Tibesar should be promoted to HC and let his cerebral fundamentals/intensity take center stage in order to create a new 21st century OSU football identity.

          Any MR apologist talking points are no longer valid or needed. He is the infection we thought had been purged. It will not be long until the infection has spread to even the most promising coaches. If these guys are already spouting praise for him publicly and glad to be working with the ahem legend, then we are in deep dodo. JS is not the face of the staff. It remains tobe seen how much he is intentionally limiting MR or allowing the old sage to roam freely among all staff members. If Riley is just freely speaking inout to all corners of the stsaff, he is the HC. I highly doubt that is far from the actual situation.

          The concern over former players being fellow coaches, not speaking up and contradicting MR is as important as the poor look in the pr realm of MR being here in the first place.

          • “He is the infection we thought had been purged”
            Mike Riley = polio. And the athletic dept is a group of anti-vacination moms.

  20. My non researched theory about some of the pitching struggles.

    It seems to me, the best pitchers at osu in the last 10-12 years have been pnw natives. Guys who have thrown in a lot of cold conditions.

    It’s pretty difficult to name a few non pnw pitchers who have been really successful.

    Fehmel, Abel, Gambrell are all Cali guys.

  21. OT-Starter for the game tomorrow is TBD, but Heimlich will start on Friday and Fehmel will on Saturday. My guess would be Christian Chamberlin for the start tomorrow

      • I’m guessing Tweedt. Thinking Nate gives him the opportunity to step up, and if he does well then I could see him going more than 3.

          • I think he has reached the end of his leash.
            Imagine if Luke was not pitching this year. The staff would be pretty weak. What happened with the Jr. class as far as recruiting pitchers? Bryce F was recruited as a SS in case neither Madrigal or Grenier ever got on campus. The last few years dominance has been built on having two and sometimes three great starters. This year we have one, who isn’t supposed to be here, and several question marks. Gambrell is trending towards a major disappointment.

  22. Anyone have any idea if we have a shot with this Akinjo PG WT visited yesterday? One of his family members called WT a gentle giant. Sounds like a good thing.

  23. OT – I haven’t watched San Diego State, but saw this article about how they hope to have another 2,000+ yard season from a RB this year. I thought this comment about the offense was interesting and something people in here have advocated:

    “He smiles at the notion that the Aztecs’ philosophy is Wisconsin with better weather, heavy on the zone and power running game. “We’re gonna run the power at you first,” Horton says. “Make you stand up. Nowadays, I don’t think a lot of people know how to fit that stuff up any more. They don’t practice against it. Defenses are smaller because everybody plays spread and they need guys that can run. All of a sudden, you get guards pulling on you, fullbacks leading the way, double teams happening. They’re not used to that.”

  24. A new pattern??
    From The Scoop:
    Former Tennessee head coach Butch Jones will make $35,000 annually in his analyst role for the Tide, per Knox News. Tennessee owed Jones $8.26 million as part of his buyout when he was fired back in November, which is due in monthly installments through February 2021.

    • To be fair, this is where fired coaches who haven’t found a job end up around spring… this, TV or generally consulting.

      As much as college football wants to be a business, I look at the latter and wonder why retired coaches aren’t filling this role. Retirees from many other industries consult in real ways (organizational structure/efficiency, morale/leadership methods, etc.). Why aren’t retired coaches creating this niche instead of hanging on past their prime, wasting a coaching position that requires more energy than thought?

  25. I like the emphasis on tackling in this video, but the casual jogging, walking, and lack of urgency/hustle from the players from moving from one station to the next is disheartening. If this snippet is how all practices are going to go, then I’m concerned when it comes to game time. Unless the lack of hustle is to keep this practice slow to work on fundamentals, then I can understand the slower speed of practice. Techniques practiced at full speed is BS in learning proper technique in anything. It’s muscle memory of where you need to be, then you implement speed, then you implement fatigue. You can’t get the player to learn anything at full speed and do it correctly when they are exhausted in the 4th quarter.

    Video here: https://twitter.com/theamyschwartz/status/979153421109313537

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