Fall is here, ring the bell…
On cue, when I woke this morning it was 49 degrees out. The times they are a changin’? Can this change in seasons be a metaphor for the Beav’s season?
Well, if that’s going to happen, this is the game. Caught about ten minutes of the Oregon – Stanford game, and my takeaway is that Stanford looks like a light edition of their former selves. You still see the run first offense, big lineman, short passing game to move the chains, slow players, smart players, etc. But they look like a dumbed down version. Some of that could be the Duck’s speed making Stanford look overly slow. Their quarterback play looked especially atrocious, though. Costello had 29TDs and 3,500 yards last year, so he’s not awful, but his numbers are and he looked bad on Saturday.
A few other factors:
- Weather – Rain predicted for Saturday.
- Trap game – After the Beavs, Stanford has #17 Washington.
- Injuries – The Beavs should be healed up, while Stanford just took a beating from Oregon.
- Beavs found some consistency and confidence vs Cal Poly.
- Students should be in full force, and the game overall should be fairly loud given it’s the Pac opener.
Maybe this is why Vegas has the line as only -3 for Stanford?
With all the above I see a fairly close game. I think a TD either way. I’m going pick ’em, and gun to my head Beavs get their 2nd win.
30-28, Oregon State
First!
Between our offenses, it’s a toss up. There’s just no reason to think our D will outplay Stanford’s.
I think this will be close, but I can’t come up with a justification for picking the Beavs.
Yeah, it’s tough to trust our D. All I can think up is they have some confidence after stopping a weird Cal Poly offense and even more time to work on things with the Bye. It’s possible and even likely they totally implode again, but I’m going against the obvious and think weather/student section become their 12th man.
12th man? I’m thinking we need at least 14!
13th is weather. 14th is Jack’s ghost.
12th man? I was thinking with the usual turnout more like 11.5th man
I think Stanford’s pride will win. Oregon State not secure in the getting better mode.
“The other book is “The 100 Year Marathon” (this one is better than Destined for War IMO). There’s also a good one called “Poorly Made in China”. I appreciate the book referrals
Trump has to get off us China for our own good. It’s going to lead to a nasty war and a lot of poverty.” As a sometimes urban farmer, I lament that small garden implements are invariably made in China. Simple components. I realize it’s labor but I would pay more for Made in USA. Which leads me to the inevitable “American consumers will have to pay more.” Consume less, perhaps?
Alas, no word from Jack.
Alas, if only Jack was around to weigh in.
Book referrals from last thread.
You’re welcome. If you read them let me know what you think.
Probably a captain obvious comment, but I think turnover margin will dictate who wins the game. Oregon State’s offensive should be able to score against Stanford, but I’m not sure our defense can slow down their ground and pound game or defend their tall TEs in the throwing game. Any extra possession that can be gained should swing the game in OSU’s favor.
Stanford’s offense really chewed up the clock against Oregon, even though the drives ended with punts or field goals. If they keep our offense off the field for big chunks of time, we can’t afford to waste our possessions.
Still think Stanford wins this one, unfortunately, but hopefully our speed kills them.
Stanford 45, Beavs 34… Stanford will run the ball down our throat. If needed, they’ll connect in their short passing game but I’m certain they will pack them in, commit to the run and I’m not sure we’ll be able to stop them. On offense, we’ll have some success but make enough mistakes to lose the game… ie Hawaii game. Hope I’m wrong.
You guys are convincing me. Stanford packing the line vs us running a stupid 3-4…yuck.
No “blogging with the enemy” this year?
I’m not sure. He usually approaches me and hasn’t yet.
They outsourced the blog to China…
The only way the Beavs can win this game is by running out to a three to four score lead. They don’t have the talent to win a close game yet. Beavs defense isn’t good enough to force Stanford to make mistakes. Beavs win if they get to 42 points.
We are first in the country in turnovers lost at 1 and we are actually turning people over this year and winning the turnover battle. If we do that against Stanford we win. I think our offense is better than Stanford’s. Our Defense is getting better every week and Stanford’s offense is not very good this year. I think they have their best performance against Stanford. We are at home. Let’s get this one!
Heard Devon Williams to OSU confirmed (again). To be announced today or tomorrow.
Another big get for the offense. Wish we could get a few more guys on defense though.
Do we know why he left USC? I haven’t seen anything on why he left…
No, but he can step right in for Hodgins (if he goes to the NFL, which is likely) so this is a good fit. Also his transfer timing allows for him to enroll at OSU in October. Makes sense on many levels. My guess would be he got passed on the depth chart at USC or fell out of favor with the staff. Those are the reasons players transfer 90% of the time. Not sure it matters unless we start to hear he has personality issues. He does seem pretty “immature” on Twitter…
His hands (or lack there of) are rumored to be the issue…
Leave it to da Beavs to land a 4-star WR who can’t catch.
So he’s like the Ryan Gunderson of WR’s?
Highly touted QB…who couldn’t throw a spiral.
Was technically an ATH recruit out of highschool, who USC recruited as a WR
I actually think Williams could make a bigger positive impact on the team if he were to play defense. Either CB or safety. If they could sell him on a Jordan Poyer type role (Defensive back and punt returner) I think he would thrive. He’s still an upgrade to our offense if he plays there, but we could use a bigger talent influx on defense and he fits the bill.
Link below has a few minutes of highlights from several positions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYuKwsYvMSY
A 6″4 corner would be something. Hopefully he’s willing to do it if he can’t catch.
I used to love those bye weekends. A little R&R and a respite from another soul crushing loss. I would get the old fishing pole out and catch a few carp in those giant Parker Stadium mud puddles. Too bad they paved them over.
Now it’s back to reality. Not to be Debbie downer, but an average Stanford team will win on Saturday and once again illustrate just how far the Beavs have yet to go.
I will be in Reser Saturday. So it is pretty much a stone cold lead pipe lock we lose. Since I started going to games in ’09………..soul crushing CW, Da Beavs are a combined 2-11. So bet the farm, house, 401K, IRA, and your first born on a Tree victory. Luck O da Beavs + Luck O da Goph’s = we are screwed. This is objective data and settled science, as they like to say these days.
97% of scientists agree.
So do 9 out of 10 dentists.
Watch it at Clods or Stay out in the parking lot tailgating the whole time.
We could really use this win.
Monroe Street Monster is a tasty burger…
stop by the Forestry Lot for a brew or two. I usually set up close to the sidewalk. Make sure you wear some Gopher gear so I can spot you.
Like this?
https://media.giphy.com/media/xUNd9Hww9schq5wFgI/giphy.gif
Only if you can drink with the head still on. And no straws.
No prob…
https://giphy.com/gifs/goldythegopher-mascot-minnesota-l378eQcA6JnjZlDm8
30 guys show up in Gopher gear for a “brew or two”…. : )
that would be a helluva tailgate party
So you are across from the tennis courts?
Beavs win. Jonathan is turning this ship around.
A couple of local guys(Keith Brown of Lebanon and Damir Collins out of Jefferson in Pdx) have said they’re coming to the game this weekend.
They are 2 of the top players at their respective positions, not just in the state of Oregon, but nationally.
Brown is the top ranked LB prospect and Collins is the 2nd ranked all purpose back.
Nice to get some big names on campus, on their own dime. Doubt they’ll ever sniff the OSU locker room after this visit though.
Should mention, both are class of 2021 guys, so a long way to go before they sign somewhere
Come on NB, where is the optimism! The Beavs have recruited some great backs recently, why not Collins next??
We’ve been able to find really good options who were not ranked highly. But with Collins and Brown being nationally ranked top recruits, they’ll have so many options to choose from. OSU just doesn’t win those battles.
Collins looks good not great. I’m surprised Oregon is recruiting him. Looks smaller than 5″9, too.
Couldn’t find any video on Brown but he looks like an alpha recruit/a Duck.
I’ve been to a pair of Lebanon HS football games so far this fall. The game vs Corvallis and last Friday night vs Silverton. Honestly, I don’t get the Keith Brown hype. Personally I think he’s better at RB instead of LB. Dude is like 6’-7” and towers over everyone else. Against CHS he ran roughshod. However against Silverton which has kids as big as he is, he looked average.
I’m not saying not to recruit him but if that kid is a 4* linebacker he’s got work to do to live up to that ranking.
I’ve seen him also, and thought this. Looks slow in person, and is dominating based only on size (big fish, small pond scenario). He mostly just runs into guys and knocks them down, doesn’t use any decent form or anything. It also appears he’s 1-2 steps late to every play on defense and just helps “clean up” by grabbing jersey or legs and body slamming guys. PAC-12 level talent is going to make him look silly.
I think alot of what goes into these “#X ranked at position” ratings are simply measurables. It’s not like Rivals and 247 get up close and evaluate every high school junior in the nation on the field, before they even play their Jr year ball.
So they invite kids to their camps with messages like “come to our camp and get evaluated amongst the best players at your position” and kids eat it up because they want those star rankings. So much of it is athletic measurables rather than quality of play. And how many guys did you know in high school who peaked early physically but eventually got passed up by other guys in the same class?
Add another 2021 prospect. Derek Wilkins, DE out of SoCal is making the trip up. That’s a good sign for a guy to pay his own way to come up here.
https://247sports.com/Player/Derek-Wilkins-46058683/
We also have a MBB recruit coming in for an official visit, Jabe Mullins.
And a 2021 wrestler visiting who will also eventually visit for football at a later date, Jacob Barnes.
More updates to come as I hear back from people.
Thanks all of the recruiting updates NB! Per Daschel at the Oregonian, there will be over 100 former players as well as Erickson at the game. Win or lose, I just want to see them be competitive for those guys as well as the recruits.
My 2 cents on Stanford:
QB is horrific and worse than Luton, Beavs should make him throw under pressure and expect int opportunities.
TEs are no where as good as in the recent past.
RBs aren’t home run types which limits the explosive plays.
Stanford D has no real stars on the Dline or LB as in recent years.
Shaw is coaching under pressure for the first time in his tenure, staring at a losing season if they don’t turn it around.
Which means that Shaw will switch to a 5 star freshman QB who has dual threat ability and the Beavs haven’t scouted. Beavs will look clueless to slow them down and lose by 20 pts.
Or Beavs have solved the rubicks cube of Tibesar’s defense and look great in stuffing Stanford’s running game and pressuring Christ into multiple turnovers. Beavs win going away as the offense clicks and D is much improved.
Beavs win 35-17
The Stanford blogger just wrote me.
Hit me up with questions you have for him. You can post them in reply to this comment.
For the Stanford blogger, Why such a drop off with their QB from last year to this year?
Why couldn’t they have just beat the ducks and ended their dream season once and for all??
Who is their backup qb
Backup qb is Davis Mills. Played some this year when Costello was hurt. Very highly ranked kid who is a pro style qb. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a former five star junior backup qb as your plan B.
Do they still think Shaw is there for life?
Was Harbaugh as goofy when he was in Palo Alto?
For Hank at Go Mighty Card:
1) Upon review, anything about the loss to Oregon which makes you believe the chemistry is improving between Costello and his receivers? Do you expect improvements to the passing game this week?
2) You’ve written of Shaw, “I don’t think I’ve ever seen him so frustrated and angry, and I think that’s a good thing.” Do you expect changes to the coaching approach or the preparations this week? Changes to both?
3) Will Shaw or Pritchard call the O? Or a combo? What difference will it make?
4) Your prediction?
Has Shaw topped out?
Has recruiting fallen off or is this just a down year in a long term uptick cycle?
How do they and other outsiders view luton?
Are there assigned seats at the Stanford stadium, or do you just claim the personal quadrant of your choice?
Best question I’ve seen so far — made me laugh!
Ron Harge, one of the recent JuCo CB offers for OSU, will be official visiting for the Utah game weekend in October. Former Illinois Safety.
https://247sports.com/player/ron-hardge-iii-46039198/
Sounds like there’s a chance his former Illinois teammate Bennett Williams could visit too, although that’s still up in the air.
https://247sports.com/Player/Bennett-Williams-93119/
Luton can’t take pressure and has 3 cream filled turnovers. Beavs look good for a couple of quarters but can’t sustain….glimpses of old bad D show and give up big plays on third and long….
Beavs-21
Stanford-34
You forgot “Gebbia comes in and saves the day.”
No, but your script sounds spot on.
Crazy decision for Houston’s QB… Pretty sure Gebba is next, bad news for OSU!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27687204/uh-qb-king-redshirt-rest-19-plans-return
Wow, it’s like a do-over. Season started shitty, let’s take a redshirt and try again next year.
Is Luton a Mormon? He should go on a mission. We might as well be known for something, like a 20th year senior.
Every year Beavers call the Stanford upset, and every year they’re wrong. Talk about Charlie Brown trying to kick the ball and Lucy yanking it, sheesh.
I’ll believe we’re beating Stanford if and when we beat Stanford.
Not me. But Stanford did look like shit last weekend, and looking at the boxscore, every weekend before that, too. This gives the illusion of a “winnable game”, so people are tempted to pick it. I’m falling for it this year. Pretty sure I picked Stanford the past five or so. My confidence is like 20% so I shouldn’t do it. Shows the stupidity of emotions – putting too much weight on the Beavs win and too much weight on Stanford looking bad and “recency bias”. I’m expecting to regret it after ten minutes, but picking every game a loss is no fun, either. I’m going to pick us vs UCLA, too. They looked like shit.
Basically if we played Stanford 10 times this year we’d probably win 2 (max). I’m just guessing this is one of those 2 since it has some conditions (weather, students/fans, trap game, confidence) that help. But the odds aren’t with that pick.
We do tend to play them tough because, historically, our strengths/weaknesses have lined up well with theirs. Unfortunately, they’re always more talented than us, so they always win.
^^^ is correct. When the read-option was the rage and Beavs futile in contesting it, Stanford would show up with old fashioned 1970’s style power football and OSU could hang around until finally wearing out.
I asked my lady what she thinks. “They’ll probably be winning early on and then get overtaken because they’re shitty and have no drive.”
Sounds right, too.
Sounds like a keeper.
And she can cook!
Q&A with big Tinks over on boregonlive. Surprising absofuckinglutely no one, KU gets hit with the dreaded “lack of institutional control” by the NCAA.
Call me when they finally nail that scumbag Altman and the rampant pay for play going on there.
I second that @wsn. Article on ESPN this morning talking about the Kansas ordeal. Mentions shoe companies are acting like boosters. Gee, you don’t say! But I guess it’s only the Adidas sponsors AAU teams/colleges that are colluding. Nike would never do such a thing. Looking at the Adidas sponsors colleges that are P5, they are not that successful. In conclusion, they need to cheat more/harder??
Speak of the devil….https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEIm70uTxgvFQ9qWocNBKU2MqFQgEKg0IACoGCAowrqkBMKBFMJGBAg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
If Tibesar doesn’t game plan to stack the box to stop the run and force Costello to win the game with his arm? Then he’s an even bigger idiot than previously thought.
Undecided on whether I’ll tune in or not but I expect a low scoring game. I’ll pick Stanford 13-10.
Looks like Eggers is picking Stanford over the beavs, 28-24. Can’t say I blame him though. I agree that this game is winnable, but then again, so was Hawaii.
I’m guessing that Stanford will use the same tactic that they did last year, which was to just dump everything off to their tight end. This game will come down to our D-line getting good pressure on Stanford’s offense.
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/439069-350941-kerry-says-beavers-stanford-looks-like-a-close-one
There’s no real reason, other than hope that the Beavs will win this game. The defense is going to give up a lot of points.
A lot of things need to go right and all of them need to happen for a win.
1. Offense must score early and often.
2. Defense has to create a couple turnovers and the offense has to capitalize.
3. Run game needs to work in order to open up the passing game.
4. Special teams can’t make any mistakes. No missed fgs, no bad punts. Not bad kick coverage.
So if all those things go right, yes the Beavs will win. If just one doesn’t, they won’t.
Looks like minimal to no rain now.
I do expect somewhat of a close game though.
Most importantly, no fumbles with 2 minutes left in the game….
Always like your take, Bill.
Couple areas where we differ slightly;
1. Offense must score early, not sure “often” is required. Eat time even w/o points, 35 pts will win this game.
2. Defense and TO’s; just get one and, FOR SURE the O must turn that into points.
3. Run game, agree and add that in addition to opening the pass game it will eat clock.
4. Special Teams..spot on!
A lot of hope here, but I could see the D keeping Stanford in the 20’s. Everyone needs (as Doc Ray says) to bring their “A” game, but I’ll be especially watching Whittley, Aydon, Moore, McCarten, Roberts, Rashid, and Colletto. Colletto seems to be the kind of hard nosed guy who could be a big part of stuffing the Stanford running game…….if the coaches put him in.
Stanford has tradition, Beavs haven’t yet learned how to win, could be a heartbreaker.
Aliotti on Oregon State’s defense:
“They’re undersized right now which means they’re out-manned right now… if I were him, I would say, ‘Hey we’re going to play sound, we’re going to play solid, we’re going to stop the run and try to keep everything in front of us.’”
Isn’t that the definition of defense? So Nick’s say we need to play defense when we’re on defense. Ground breaking…
I always loved when we played against Aliotti’s defenses. They were good for 30+ points per game.
It does beg the question of why we play a 3-4 rather than a 4-3. But hey, what the hell do I know outside of sitting on my couch watching our defense get torched the last couple years against the run… and more.
It’s all about talent. There’s more 3-4 talent out there than 4-3. And the 3-4 is more adaptable to today’s offenses.
There’s less and less use for 4-3 defensive tackles and defensive ends. True pass rushers have become near non existent due to the offenses getting the ball out faster.
Speed and playing in space is the name of the game now.
So sounds like having the big guys like Aliotti is suggesting isn’t as big of a deal anymore as long as you have athletes who are quick and capable… something were don’t have.
What is Wisconsin doing? Sounds like they’re playing D, but that could be schedule related too…
The two OLB’s in Wisconsin’s system are set tup to be the playmakers on the D. The three DL’s are there to mainly eat up blocks. Tibesar had some great players that he coached as the OLB coach.
That’s why I was excited by the potential of the hire. A number of them did not play the position in HS.
I interpret it as though he is saying don’t give up the 20+ yard pass plays, make Stanford grind out each possession, if Beavs can score quickly get a cushion and pray the D can hang on and take advantage of a turnover or two.
I’m not counting on the D, too inconsistent. Beav D seems to have two extremely bad quarters a game minimum — might have a chance if the bad quarters are kept to under 10 points each….a big if!
I remember Alliotti’s defenses as a bend don’t break, but mostly break. Chip’s teams were high scoring and 1-min offenses, which meant Alliotti’s defense was out there a lot.
Somebody on twitter is saying Angie, in her lodge, is saying that Devon Williams is visiting oregon today. For the record, I dont have access to the lodge and can neither confirm nor deny what is being said there.
https://twitter.com/thesportscast1/status/1176579046139932673?s=19
Interesting b/c she’s the person who said he’s signing with OSU by Wednesday.
Why would you believe her?
Momma knows best.
Am I the only one who thinks the odds of Williams being a head case are in the 80% area?
Have you seen his Twitter? He’s not only stupid but kind of nuts. Maybe Smith pulled the scholarship.
Yikes…Smith should pull this guy’s scholarship. He wrote “FTD” a few days ago. I wonder if he’s playing games with the Beavs.
https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/1176601454418595841
Or picking up his bag full of cash that helped change his mind
Or maybe he just wants to send flowers to someone.
Costello questionable for Beavs game, Sr OL Devery Hamilton doubtful.
https://twitter.com/StanfordRivals
ADDED: More on the Stanford OL from twitter (“the bootleg”):
“Coach Shaw listed Hamilton as “doubtful” which is especially tough as he was apparently injured on the last play of the game. Should Miller go, Stanford would once again be starting its fourth different combo in five games and its fifth different from the previous week. “
I got the questions into the Stanford blogger. Probably should see his answers tomorrow.
Seems unlikely Stanford loses 5(?) in a row, especially with the 5th loss to OSU. Do they have an inexperienced, mobile web?
OT: just saw Poyer is filling up the stat sheet after 3 games, 22 tackles, a sack, an INT, forced and recovered fumble…
So where are the reports out of oregon that Devon Williams is visiting there?
You’d think the Andrew Nemecs and Scoopducks of the world wouldn’t pass up an opportunity to post an article that would surely get a decent amount of traffic, especially during a slow bye week.
Or maybe they have been reporting on it? and i just haven’t been looking.
I wonder if he will visit Oregon State again this week for the Stanford game? Seems like a good possibility.
The twitter account arguing with AB about the Oregon visit has about 350 followers and not a lot of interest in posts on his page. I’m wondering if there is something more to why Williams left USC. Is he not academically eligible anywhere? Seems like someone would take the chance on the guy by now if it’s possible.
Williams to OSU per Nemec
Glad to see my sources came through.
Twitter should be fun.
So why did you do delete your tweet and then blame Machado? Also, interesting that Nemec broke the news 2 minutes after Machado had already tweeted it today.
I didn’t. In fact, I just retweeted it.
*Reverend deletes previous comment*
You didn’t delete your tweet from 2 days saying he was enrolling this week? Sure looks like you did.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BeavRecruiting/status/1176202213573554176
Pretty wary of another transfer. Basically getting someone else’s leftovers. So far the impact of the power 5 transfer guys has been minimal. This isn’t a win in recruiting until he actually produces as a 5 star on the field.
The Beavs roster certainly looks better for next year than it did an hour ago before Williams joined the team.
Spot on, Bill! I, too, am pumping the brakes on this party, time will tell.
“As a true freshman, Williams hauled in four catches for 87 yards and a score and opened his sophomore season with one reception for 11 yards in a 45-20 victory over Stanford.”
The thing is those numbers are why he is leaving. Those stats aren’t indicative of his skill level. It’s not like he played a lot of snaps and had bad production. He’s here because he wants a chance to play. Also outside of Bama, I think USC has the best WR group in the country and all Spring and Fall the reports out were that with the proven guys MPJ and Vaughns getting rest that Williams was the best of a bunch that includes 5 star guys in St. Brown and Ford. This is different than Tyjon not being able to see the field at Nebraska. There was LEGIT elite talent in front of and competing with Williams @ SC.
This should be a huge pickup.
Lindsey looks good on film. I think he returns this week, so maybe we finally find out. He made some incredible catches. He could be a legit 1B after Hodgins.
Gumbs, Avery, and Gebbia are all promising. The only bust looks to be Whitley. Not sure either way on him yet but he’s looked bad.
But Whitley was just a JC, right? Not a P5 transfer.
I think so, but someone mentioned him in a comment. I didn’t realize he were limiting it to P5 transfers. Those guys have all looked good.
You think Whitley looks like a bust? For real?? Kid is already our most disruptive d linemen (not saying much but still). By NFL metrics his havoc rate is already really good. If he can get in better shape and get an extra year he has the potential to be a monster
Bust so far, yes, but as I said not positive on him and don’t watch him on every play. It’s 3 games and only 2 vs decent opponents. He’s looked like garbage, and he made the comment, “he’d play when it mattered” or whatever it was OldBeav quoted. That’s a disturbing comment. Verdict is out…but so far not impressed.
Weird, I think he has been solid and like I said very disruptive considering he is still clearly out of shape. Expect big things from him the rest of the way.
Also the quote was actually a good one I thought where he was saying you can expect him to make a big play at big moments of the game. He kind of already showed that @ UH on their last drive when he almost killed their QB for like a 7 yard loss, and against OK state on the 3rd down play where we blew up the reverse but they picked up a key first down he demolished the point of attack but Hicks-Onu whiffed in contain allowing the big play.
I’ll watch him closer. I’m not sold either way….my feeling that his garbage is not set in stone. I don’t think 3 games is enough to make a conclusion unless your name is Krebs or Pankey.
Posted below is the link to Whittley’s interview.
Sorry, should have put it here.
I’d rather have Whittley in there than Miki Fifita like last year
Speaking of USC’s WR group. They signed two 5 star freshman in the 2019 class with McCoy and Ford. Those guys were actual WR recruits and not just arhletes. I could see that causing Williams to look over his shoulder and worry about being able to earn playing time the next 3 years.
Doesn’t make him a poor WR, but also means he’s more likely an average WR with above average athleticism.
And if he can’t catch with regularity, put him on defense where his athleticism will give him an advantage and he won’t need to catch everything thrown his direction.
Gumbs, Lindsey, Gebbia, Roberts and Whitley have provided 2 starters and quality depth. Not sure why you think the impact has been minimal…
Even if he produces at a 3* level, I’d say it’s a recruiting win.
Hope they convince him to play safety. Really think he could help this team so much more on that side of the ball.
That’s what he looks like to me — a 3 star safety/db.
CJ Giles vibes? I hope not.
But can he backpedal?
Willing to tackle? He may not like to hit, and may explain why he wants to be a WR….often, if there’s a prima donna, they’re a WR.
Who was that 4* athlete Andersen tried to convert from RB(?) to DB, and it took him over a year to “learn to backpedal,” he never panned out, moved on….
Christian Wallace…wasted talent.
247 made a list of our highest ranked recruits.
https://247sports.com/college/oregon-state/LongFormArticle/Oregon-State-football-Devon-Williams-top-ranked-recruits-Beavers-136111822/
I think the next few weeks are big for Lindsey. He needs to start producing consistently. Luton sucking at times obviously hurts him as a #2 WR but still we need his impact as competition ramps up. Not sure we can count on 100+ yards from Champ against most pac 12 level defenses.
Seeing lots of good comments and obvious comments..I was going to go with effective analysis but I am going to swing right and go full Madden. Whoever gets the most points will def win this one.
Beavs 49
Special Red Trees 30
My answers are in to the Stanford Blogger. Should be published tomorrow on his site, and his will be published here tomorrow.
Well… we’re waiting…
Me too.
Jordan Whittley:
Here is the link to the Whittley interview right after the fall scrimmage:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1163119188401016834
The quick remark around 1:25 is what caught my attention, he says, “…if it don’t count, if it don’t matter it’s really just nothing to me…”
He does tell Callan to expect “a lot of Tackles for Loss, a lot of Sacks,” and a lot of big plays when it matters. Additionally, it’s been reported that he has been outspoken with the defenders from last year and has gotten them fired up to do better.
For me, the jury is still out as we enter conference play. So far he has been a positive force but I’m waiting for him to more fully back up his bravado. I do like his aggressive approach, just need to see more action to back up his stated intentions.
Go Jordan, GO BEAVS!
Here’s a link to a counterpart (?) to Mama M down south.
The author says, “…Stanford should have no trouble finding success on the ground; otherwise, the team might be in trouble.”
And, “The Cardinal defense will be better than any other defense Oregon State has seen this year. If Stanford could hold Oregon to just 21 points, they can certainly hold the Beavers to less.”
This guy predicts a 24-17 win for tree and calls Corvallis, “Cornwallis”
Classy!
https://www.ruleoftree.com/2019/9/25/20882310/stanford-vs-oregon-state-preview-can-the-cardinal-find-a-win-in-cornwallis
That guy should get out more, the bay area is fucking gross compared to anywhere in OR
Some areas are awful, but some are great. In general SF is in decline…
This^^^^^^
There are some nice parts, but overall it’s a shithole. My whole dad’s side of the family is from there, so I go a couple times a year, every year unfortunately.
The Stanford writer says that Cal Poly allowed 52 points to U San Diego but it was Cal Poly who scored 52 that game.
So all the residents of said town are Lords?
Every year I read at least one Stanford blog ahead of this match-up…and ever year I’m left wondering why every one of them is so terribly written.
~GWH
PS: FTD
Bill Connelly who runs the SP+ ranking system gives the Beavs a 60% chance to win and predicts a score of 33-28 OSU.
He ranks us #80 with the 21st best offense and 117th best D.
He’s got Stanford at #88 with the 104th best offense and 53rd best D.
Bad offense beats bad defense most of the time. It only takes a few big plays for an offense to score, even if they’re just luck. The defense has to be consistently good.
Bill has not figured in the Beavergopher being at the game factor. That reduces the odds to 18%, as I have proven previously with scientific data. Even Jack could not argue this point.
Jack could argue against any point.
I can’t argue that, unlike Jack.
I talked to my dad last night and he took full advantage of the offering of doubling your tickets to the game. So his “Crew” for tailgating is 16 for Saturday’s game vs. his normal 8 season tickets. Also, Those people he is taking have people that are going to the game so his total tailgate # is around the 35-38 people range. So if this is indication of people using the extra tickets to give away and people are using them for the home pac-12 opener, Reser will indeed look fuller and potentially be loud. This is a great marketing ploy to get people to go to a game that may or may not have wanted to in the past. If the beavs do pull off a win, the stadium is indeed rocking, then maybe the marketing team should discount or pro rate the tickets given to the guests for the remainder of the season that go to the Stanford game?
There has to be a way to get some of the visitors to buy into the season tickets they were given? I know when I got two free tickets to the Club level in 2014 for the ASU game, if I could afford to pay for two tickets up there, I totally would have; even if I had the option to go inside the club box. I really wish the club level was more open because you generally get about 100-400 people inside the club box on cold games.
This sport is going in the wrong direction…even considering private equity firms is disgusting.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/26/pac-12-media-strategy-ceos-reject-private-equity-firms-but-the-search-for-a-partner-continues/
Selling ownership just to get some cash upfront is a prime example of short-term thinking killing long-term value. UNLESS you’re of the opinion that live sports broadcast rights have hit a valuation peak and you’re basically selling high. That doesn’t seem to be Scott’s mindset.
In terms of partnership, media/tech is a smarter approach because you’re (ideally) selling equity to someone with the ability to make those rights more valuable via promotion and distribution. That way you have a minority owner/distribution partner with even more skin in the game.
All that being said, why hasn’t a media company figured out a way to improve the value of P12 rights already? And what’s the evidence to suggest it can be done? Regional interest is lower than it is for the SEC and Big 10, and the late start games are too late to be appealing live broadcasts anywhere outside of the west coast.
I really hate Scott. He seems to want to get into bed with corrupt entities. His background is a hindrance. The last thing we need is more Wall Street or private equity financialization of products. They are financializing everything, and it’s a real problem.
It’s the scourge of low interest rates. Too much money looking for yield. Eventually it makes its way into places where it shouldn’t be. I guess Cal has to pay off their ridiculous facility upgrade somehow.
Maybe declining interest in college football due to concussions, millennials, whatever would be a good thing for the sport. Less interest=less profit potential. Several years ago I spent some time in Europe and went to several soccer games to see teams that spanned a wide revenue range. The enjoyment I got from the game experience was inversely proportional to how “big” the team was because of the intimacy of the stadium and the level of fan interest.
The argument is generally that more investment in a sport leads to a higher level of play on the field. But college football fans aren’t primarily interested in football excellence. If they were, they’d be watching the NFL.
Agree 100%. Most people don’t understand all that. Especially the interest rate part (Jack would be raging you’re a Bircher for acknowledging that reality).
I see college football failing as fewer and fewer teams can compete (in recruiting and now possible pay for play) and the financialization turning many off. When the student loan bubble fails and/or gets socialized that will cause issues, too.
“And what’s the evidence to suggest it can be done? Regional interest is lower than it is for the SEC and Big 10, and the late start games are too late to be appealing live broadcasts anywhere outside of the west coast.”
Great summary. On top of those challenges, the late-game scheduling to try and get an east coast audience (that may be asleep) discourages home attendance, which further makes the league look bad. “Neutral site” games suck too, taking decent match ups off campus and away from most students and fans.
Prioritize PAC student-athletes, students, alumni and fans, and play most games on Saturday, usually no later than 4 pm. Play well and be relevant, others will watch. Have some conviction about your own league, it’s students, alumni/fans.
Schedule at least one non-con game early to prepare for the season and one late to “rest” near the end (SEC approach).
I’m surprised Scott has lasted this long.
Can you feel the excitement in the air?
If this doesn’t get you pumped up for this weekend, well……you’re completely normal.
https://twitter.com/SaraElcano/status/1177305077180010496?s=09
Yay for drama. Apparently Devon Williams is not currently a done deal. Has been admitted to school and has been added to football roster, but he’s also not currently enrolled in classes. So he’s not technically signed yet.
https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/1177352593632190464?s=19
Or maybe Canzano is trying to insinuate another school could have committed a level 2 recruiting violation by contacting Williams after he was already considered a Beaver player.
That would be pretty sweet if Mario was still recruiting him after he joined our roster. Level 2 is a major violation.
Scoopduck writer Justin Hopkins wrote some pretty incriminating stuff about Mario today, but is now “amending” his writing and saying it wasn’t accurate.
I’ve screenshotted the original excerpt bit don’t know what the amendment says. Sure sounds like Hopkins is covering for Mario. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
https://twitter.com/JHopkinsSD/status/1177363271050858496?s=19
Busted link? Major backtrack?
Scoopduck writer Justin Hopkins wrote some pretty incriminating stuff about Mario today, but is now “amending” his writing and saying it wasn’t accurate.
I’ve screenshotted the original excerpt bit don’t know what the amendment says. Sure sounds like Hopkins is covering for Mario. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. He even deleted a tweet where he asked a fan not to screenshot his content, in which he made it sound like the original content is not taken out of context, but now he is saying it wasnt representative of what was actually written. Pretty fishy.
https://twitter.com/JHopkinsSD/status/1177363271050858496?s=19
That link isn’t working for me. What did he say?
Deleting tweets? Hahaha… sounds all too familiar.
Weird, though i just posted this link?
Is Mario having wordpress delete my posts now?
I was able to screenshot everything but now it’s all deleted.
Saved some of the damning stuff in this tweet so it won’t die, but there are more screenshots of hopkins tweets that got deleted. Sure looks like he’s covering up Mario’s misdeeds.
https://twitter.com/BeavRecruiting/status/1177370663536869377?s=19
So if he flips and goes to oregon does he have to sit out an additional year since he isn’t enrolled there as of yesterday?
Honestly, i dont think they can recruit him now because they committed a major violation by even contacting him.
So even if he walked away from us, oregon shot themselves in the foot
I would love to see them get popped stealing a beaver commit Haha
Angry, if Williams doesn’t end up at OSU after all of this, that dude who was all over your ass for credibility and posting news before it’s final yesterday is gonna feel pretty stupid.
Yeah.
Didn’t Williams write “FTD” on the 15th when that guy here posted he was a Beav? I wonder if he’s messing with Oregon to get them hit with recruiting violations. That would be something. Doubt it but it would be something.
I dont think his “FTD” has anything to do with what beaver fans want it to mean. It was there before news of him going to OSU was ever mentioned.
Fuck Ted Danson? Maybe he doesn’t like Cheers.
You just know this isnt going to end well.
Canzano’s latest
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The key issue here comes down to whether Oregon State jumped the gun by announcing Williams as their own after he signed a financial aid agreement.
OSU says it was within rules to do so.
Don’t have a dog in the fight, but this could get messy if Williams does a 180.
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So he signed a financial aid agreement. Why would he sign if hes not coming. What am I missing here?
37 minutes to go, Navy up by 13. Making that +10.5 look like a good bet.
Ooops, 98 yd kick return and it’s a 6 point Navy lead.
Not so fast.
Drat! Curse you, BB……and Beav in DE !!!!!!
Williams is in the directory: https://directory.oregonstate.edu/?type=search&cn=devon&surname=williams&mail=&telephonenumber=&osualtphonenumber=&osuofficeaddress=&osudepartment=&affiliation=any&anyphone=
How is it possible he can leave and go to the Ducks?
It doesn’t seem possible unless OSU’s administration screwed up and made announcements when the signing was not a done deal. I know Cristobal has a hard time understanding clock management, but I find it hard to believe he would blatantly violate recruiting protocol when this signing is already under the spotlight with it being a rare Beaver’s get.
I know nothing about the modern transfer rules, but couldn’t he theoretically just go in the transfer portal and be a “free agent” again? I feel there has to be a rule about that, but I have no idea.
Nemec covered this story on his radio show about 30 minutes ago.
He covered it pretty well and was fair. I was messaging with someone else about it so i’ll just copy paste what i wrote here.
Credit to nemec, he laid the story out in plain english on the radio.
Essentially it comes down to 1 of 3 things.
1. If OSU added him to the roster before he was officially enrolled at OSU, they messed up and its a violation.
2. If oregon state added him to the roster properly, then oregon committed a violation if they contacted him yesterday and today(which it sounds like they did contact him)
3rd Oregon State added him to the roster properly and oregon never contacted him, so no violations for either school.
So, 2 out of 3 scenarios are good for OSU. Do you feel lucky?
To me, the fact that i caught scoopduck in the act of deleting their tweets and editing their original story, makes me think oregon is the school that f’d up and oregon is in damage control mode.
Nemec did not have a final opinion on what the outcome will be but he said he hopes it ends up that option 3 is it and nobody gets into NCAA comiance issues.
Also said it would be a pretty monumental f up for oregon state to screw themselves and add him to the roster too early. Like super boneheaded bad.
Someone on canzano twitter is saying he returned to LA to pack up his stuff and that he is going to OSU. Also says his best friend is on the beavs? Is that true? Who knows if its legit.
Jojo Forest is a friend on the Beavs roster.
Also, traveling to LA wouldn’t indicate he left Corvallis to sign in Eugene. Otherwise he would have just driven to Eugene. Seems more likely he would be going home to pack up for his new school, regardless of which school it is.
Bingo and hopefully it’s time for Duck fans to put those ankle bracelets back on because on the heels of completing their probation, I think in 2016, another major recruiting violation such as tampering could put them right back on probation.
Smith was on Canzano yesterday (it’s on SoundCloud) and Smith said he couldn’t talk about Williams. So I doubt OSU had any violation. Smith wouldn’t even say a word about him on the show.
So they can talk about him if he has signed correct?
Really? Because they tweeted a big welcome to the team tweet and put out a news release that he was a Beaver yesterday.
Last i checked, the tweet was still up. Not sure about the story
Story still up, bet it went up right after Smith talked with Canzano.
https://osubeavers.com/news/2019/9/25/football-devon-williams-transfers-to-oregon-state.aspx?path=football
Yep, tweet is too. That makes me think the team is still comfortable they followed the proper channels before announcing. What time was the Smith interview? If it was earlier in the day than 5PM, then i could see why he would have avoided talking about it.
Pretty sure Canzano goes off air well before 5.
Noon til 3pm. It might have been pre-recorded also.
Osu Tweet went out at 7pm yesterday.
So the only thing that gives me any pause on the OSU side, is they could have squashed this whole story today by just announcing Williams is still a Beaver.
But maybe they are enjoying watching Oregon squirm?
Jojo Forrest sure seems to think hes coming here in retweeting Angie’s announcement tweet.
Sure, someone in the Athletic Dept ” could have squashed this whole story today by just announcing Williams is still a Beaver.” But, maybe no one there is aware of any dust up over this.
Too busy working on the next clear bag policy!
Here’s the interview. Around 58 minute mark.
https://soundcloud.com/kxtg-the-bald-faced-truth/bft-show-jonathan-smith-matt-prehm-nick-daschel
Cool, that gives me comfort that Smith knew the rules and was carefully following them. And then later in the day we announced it when it was official.
So, next question. At what point is Oregon in violation? Is it the moment we announce the roster addition? Or is it after he gets removed from the transfer portal by the NCAA? I could see that being a grey area that could be fudged if he sits in that database beyond the moment we announce him being a Beaver.
Right. A lot of people are talking like NCAA rules are black and white. They are anything but that.
I believe i read somewhere they are related, maybe cousins
Guy hasn’t announced anything since he visited OSU 2 weeks ago, but tonight he breaks his silence and this is all he has to say.
“Mind Blown!!!!”
https://twitter.com/2eraa/status/1177451860522754048?s=19
Could be good, could be bad, could be a guy who is already a distraction to the program. Angry was right, Smith should have pulled the offer as soon as he started talking to oregon. Already tired of it.
Until he catches a sweet touchdown pass from Gebbia next year
To your last point, hopefully this will help put to rest the Gebbia transfer talk. The dude’s going to be starting for 3 years with a really good receiving corps.
I thought Gebbia only has 2 years after this season?
I think that’s right.
I wonder if he is going to be worth the distraction, and I hope the distraction this week doesn’t show up this Saturday against Stanford.
BTW, Brandon Huffman mentions Williams as an excellent safety prospect, but that Williams’ heart was at WR:
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2019/09/national-recruiting-editor-weighs-in-on-devon-williams-transfer-to-oregon-state.html
According to the 24/7 Sports Transfer Portal page, Devon Williams is officially a Beaver:
https://247sports.com/college/oregon-state/Season/2020-Football/TransferPortal/
According to his own Twitter account and Dirt & Sprague, he has just committed to Oregon. :sadface:
Yup, Williams is a Duck. Others smarter than me can figure out the logistics of how this happened, but it did.
https://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-williams-changes-mind-and-chooses-to-play-for/article_078216a8-2a23-5e19-bd85-a875630194e4.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
I’d say let’s give the kid a chance. I can’t imagine being in his shoes and many things have been said that maybe he had nothing to do with. The situation obviously could have been handled better but who knows if he ever talked to Ewegene and what was said. I’m actually glad he isn’t all over social media (only have checked twitter). He’s having to take a lot of unfair shots from bitter duck fans. I hope he shuts them up with his play on the field.
Speaking of the game vs Stanford, Parker mentioned on PDX radio that Morris may be available this Saturday. Even a rusty Morris could be a plus for the Beavs D.
There was a comment from Tibesar a few weeks back (wish I could find it now) where he almost sounded frustrated with Morris and implied that if he can’t practice regularly, he can’t play.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27702652/ex-usc-wr-williams-transfers-oregon-state
It’s great that Smith is leveraging our late start date for classes to upgrade the talent. That is smart.
We have to use what advantages we have to get this thing going. So bring on the transfers.
#rowthebeaver
I agree that OSU needs to leverage whatever advantage they have to get transfers to come to OSU before the deadline. The fact that Oregon is trying to now get in on the idea too is sad really. They have been trying for so long to keep top recruiting classes of kids right out of HS rather than transfers from other P5 universities that would still have 3 years to play 3 in most cases. A lot of other universities around the country can’t sell 3 to play 3. They would have to sell 3 to play 2.
PHIL STEELE REPORT (WEEK 5):
#62 Stanford at #75 Oregon State
Last time here the Cardinal got a 3 yard TD pass with :20 left to get past the Beavers by a 15-14 score with RB Bryce Love out with injury. Stanford has now won 9 consecutive matchups against Oregon St by 18 ppg. Last year Stanford had a 436-236 yd edge at half and led 34-17 (were up 34-7). OSU was SOD and missed a 28 yd FG to open the 2H while SU had two TD drives to go up 48-17 (-24) with 13:33 left. OSU went 70/15 and were SOD at the 25 with :22 left on their last drive. Oregon St is fresh off a bye while Stanford may not have much left in the tank after facing
Northwestern, USC, UCF and Oregon the first 4 weeks and they have Washington on deck. Stanford is 25-13 ATS as an AF the last 10 years and OSU is 7-16 ATS as a HD the last 7 years. Stanford got a fortunate cover in the opener recovering a fumble for a TD with :20 left vs Northwestern. They have been blown out 3 straight weeks losing by 19.3 ppg but last week did hold a potent Oregon (505 ypg) team to just 320 yards and are holding foes to 70 ypg below their season average. Stanford has taken on the #2 toughest schedule while OSU has faced #80 and Stanford needs a win off three straight losses.
FORECAST: Stanford 30 Oregon State 23
POSITION BY POSITION EDGES:
WHEN STANFORD HAS THE BALL
Stanford QB/WR vs Oregon State DB’s: STAN +1.20
Stanford RB’s vs Oregon State LB’s: STAN +0.29
Stanford OL vs Oregon State DL: STAN +0.93
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State QB/WR vs Stanford DB’s: ORST +0.46
Oregon State RB’s vs Stanford LB’s: ORST +0.21
Oregon State OL vs Stanford DL: STAN +0.55
MISCELLANEOUS:
Special Teams: ORST +2.35
Kicking: STAN +1.35
Coaching: STAN +2.65
POSITIONAL EDGE AWARDED TO: STAN +3.95
Team Stats (STAN-ORST)
Projected Rushing: 164-119
Projected Passing: 245-255
Projected Yardage Total: 409-374
Projected Final Score: 26-25
Experience Rankings: 118-7
Team Schedule Strength: 2-79
Las Vegas Line: Stanford by 4.5
Las Vegas Total: 58 Points
+/- Ratings: Stanford by 6.0
Game Grade: Stanford by 1.0
Computer Yards: Stanford 409-374
Computer Points: Stanford 26-25