I’m having a rare pre-game cocktail. Figure I need it if Stanford is suddenly Stanford and their backup is all-world, which knowing the luck o’ da Beavs….
I don’t tweet, but really liked your response to the question of “is Jack really dead?” Nobody knows. I prefer not to know so I can make jokes guilt free.
Really dumb check down on 2nd and short to the exact same run play as well. Stalled that drive. The advantage of experienced QB’s should be avoiding dumb plays like that
Makes sense we go with the out of character orange unis instead of black….or maybe since it isn’t 90+ degrees the black unis are left in the closet. Ha!
Wtf… this is bad.. we had a bye to prepare for them yet We’re checking into the wrong run play over and over again From and obvious formation.. what is going on!?
Due to the possibility of thunderstorms last minute we decided to stay home. Looks like we made a wise choice. Now I need to make another smart choice and turn off this shit show at halftime and go do something productive.
Luton has had 2 drives he’s killed by choosing to throw rather than scrambling a few extra yards for the 1st down and resetting.
At least Gebbia can be counted on to get a few yards on the ground in those situations.
Hope he gets some significant time in the 2nd half, but you know he wont as long as Luton is still standing
That’s way too easy.
I have 3 major coaching errors.
At what point do we start talking a new staff?
Smith sticking with Luton is killing us he’s not a pac QB.
Or 2 sacks for good measure.
Did Stanford only send 2 or 3 guys after Luton on both those plays and still get to him? Dear lord. Throw the fucking ball away and give your team a shot.
I’m beginning to be anti Smith.
His inability to see choker, Togia, and Luton are not winning players is a serious flaw.
You have to be able to analyze talent and adjust/admit error.
Hodgins is covering for just how bad the decisions are.
When you have the personnel they’re just sitting then it’s a coaching problem.
90% of coaching is talent evaluation/getting the players that give your team the best chance of winning on the field. There is no argument to be made that’s Choker, Luton, or Togia. Zero. If these guys can’t analyze talent and do that they need to go. If they see that and can’t make the difficult decision because it’s difficult, they also need to go.
Luton can pass, but that’s it. Overall he is a huge detriment to the team. What’s wrong with our head couch. Please, please, please get Gebbia in there!!!!!!!!! Pull that Offensive coordinator and get Gebbia in there John. Be a coach, not a puppet.
I’m having a hard time pinpointing any one thing Luton is good at. If you just looked at his stats you would say decision making because he has no INT’s, but he routinely throws it at defenders. He doesn’t have arm strength and he’s missed multiple open receivers today.
What is with the P-12 Network media and this false narrative about Luton making some amazing body transformation in the off-season? The one idiot analyst was babbling about it on a play where lumbering Luton was sacked! WTF?
I expect Stanford to adjust, pass more in the second half, and pull away quickly. It should be obvious our secondary isn’t stopping anyone and our run D has been surprisingly good.
What I don’t get is why waste a year with Luton, he’s not your QB and he’s only eligible by the random decisions of the NCAA. It would have been a perfect scenario to name Gebbia the starter and let Luton either stay as a back-up or try the transfer portal.
Oregon State should move all non baseball programs down to FCS or at the very least join a non-Power 5 conference. We don’t pour enough money into our sports programs to compete at the Power-5 level and the gap is only growing wider by the year. There are a lot of schools that are D1 in Baseball and compete at a lower level in other sports. Oregon State needs to join them
Lol man.. that was such a nut kick of a first half.. yet if we can score to start the second we are right there despite the terrible coaching and play. Like wtf is the deal with the audible into that same run play from the pistol formation on every pivotal down. Whose idea was that? It should stop and he should be kicked square in the nuts.
The time for Gebbia to win this game for us has passed.
It’s not like he’d be perfect. Needed to allow him a few dud drives and get him in sooner.
Now only the ghost of Jack can win this.
Literally every year I’m like “Where are our linebackers? Why do they NEVER make plays?” And here we are again. LBs that make no plays, every 3rd down converted.
And another FR QB w/a highly efficient, effective game against the Beavers. Anyone who telecasts the Beavers should analyze and show that history and pattern. Remarkable.
What will the excuses for the coaches be this time around? The Stanford offense is WEAK. They have an inexperienced QB. Their OL is injured. No prolific backs.
Luton robbed of another pick.
That won’t pass review since he touched out of bounds while bobbling the ball.
Although, pac12 refs could still f up the call.
Guys, I just don’t get it. Luton has only 1 receiver he throws to, can’t run, and worst of all can’t pass. To let this guy continue to play is beyond nuts, and a program demolition.
I’m done watching or reading about this , probably forever. It’s just sad that has come down to this.
This says nothing about the pathetic defense.
That was Shawn Wilson, btw, who fucking fell over on that TD pass. Because defending an unathletic QB on a pass route was too much for him. Just incredible. I’m relatively sure half of our botched pass defenses have his name on them.
….and even if D makes a stop, he’ll panic, hold on to ball and get sacked — completely different player when game is on the line. That Colorado game looking like an outlier.
Don’t know why I find this response so funny.
I say I’m quitting the game if they don’t pull Luton and play Gebbia and Beaver fan tells me to have a little patience.
Luton’s a 6th year quarterback. How much more patience do people have?
Stanford knee isn’t down, when Baylor collecting ball…..you would think the booth could deduce that the ball HAD TO BE LOOSE before the pile hit the ground. Luck O’da Beavs!
….and if you look at the reaction of Tree guy, he’s trying/scrambling/reaching for ball knowing that he lost it — players only do that when they know they fumbled it.
So this play calling the last 3 series has been great, uptempo, solid runs and passes. Why do we have to wait for shit like this, why cant they do this from the start?
Yeah, like most games there are several moments on both sides that “Changed the game”. Like Luton’s 2 picks that weren’t picks(the failed challenge one and the Hodgins bailout). That Hamelcar play cost us points, but so did our double penalties in the red zone, and the double personal fouls. Just brutal.
3 point loss. From being down 21-0 at half that seems good, but…can we just play a full game? Like, once? Same thing with the Oklahoma St game AND Hawaii.
The problem with being at all invested is that at some point there has to be a payoff. This is like going to a casino, sitting at a slot machine, and every pull is a loss. Not even the occasional payout even as you come out behind overall. You’d want to leave and do something fun.
Basic psychology, irregular rewards have a longer lasting effect on behavior than consistent/reliable outcomes. That said, it’s to the point that the (positive) rewards are so extremely irregular that many more may stop caring.
I guess as an alum I have to disagree with you. They are my team and I’m going to support them, period. I’ll bitch when things aren’t being done well (or I wouldn’t be on this site) but I won’t walk away, particularly when I’m seeing improvement as I am this year. I’ll leave that for Yankee and Duck fans.
I thought that trick play where their QB (as a receiver no less) out-smarted two defensive backs who were in the right position, but somehow played fucking Keystone Cops and fell down sort of sums up the game and what it means to be a Beaver fan. I thought for sure that was going to be an interception. What’s wrong with me?
I was with some of you in that once Stanford had a decent return, Smith should have let them score. We would have had two timeouts with minute and a half — assume we score and go for two, Stanfords D was winded, and Pierce could have walked in for the win. At least we go down with the hot hand, rather than let Stanford milk the clock for slow death.
I mean, we’ve seen smart players just take a knee before scoring, too, so the clock still runs out. Maybe Stanford does that, or maybe they just score and take their chance with our offense again. Either way, I don’t think the ONLY way to play that out is to let them score. Certainly an option, but so it just getting a stop. They weren’t in the red zone, the return brought them to the 35. Far from a certainty there.
The returner got them to the 50. In three plays they got inside the redzone. The QB scramble was the game ender and where they needed to let Stanford score on that play or the next. It’s smarter to have control of the ball and determine your own fate at that point, especially with two timeouts.
I mean you can do many things including what Smith did but those things are not in your favor.
The mistake was on smith and co hurrying up to score the td on first down. Could have at least let the play clock run down and give stanford the ball with closer to a minute left. Stanford had no timeouts and an inexperienced qb.
Some coaches would choose to do a medium depth squib type kick, hope that the receiving team has to down it around the 30 given that Standford had no time outs. Also, what happened to Choukair’s leg, it would have been a perfect time for a touchback. It should also be mentioned that the pass defense was atrocious on the first play from the 50. Easy 18-yard pitch and catch, very soft coverage for such a crucial time in the game.
Serious question, has a team ever “let” the other team score in similar situations to this? I hear this argument every now and then but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it happen in my life.
The coach or team may not admit it, but I’ve seen enough situations where the defenses were playing so bad that it definitely looked like the coach called for the seas to part, so said coach could get the offense right back out there with enough time left to have a shot at winning.
1997 Broncos/Packers Super Bowl. Packers admitted they intentionally let Terrell Davis score with 1:57 left to get the ball back in Bob Favre’s hands. Didn’t work out for them but there you go.
Calling him Bob was an inside joke amongst the group I ran with at the time. One of them was a huge Packers fan. That ‘97 super bowl was a thing of beauty as Denver was a huge underdog in that game. I don’t recall many people that thought they’d win.
I never liked Favre. I believe he holds the nfl record for career interceptions. I also find it extremely hilarious the last pass he ever threw for Green Bay was an interception that led to the Giants game winning score in the nfc championship game.
Luton = Favre lite. An interception waiting to happen. Give me a game manager at QB over a gunslinger 10 out of 10 times.
I’ve seen it a lot in the NFL and occasionally in college (worse kickers so it makes slightly more sense we see it less). In the game tonight it would have been the right move factoring in all things.
500 to 350 difference on total yards. This was several crucial plays that were just critically missed by Oregon state players. Ridiculous to say this would be on Smith.
Really putting this on Smith huh? I have no idea how you can pull that out. Oh that’s right he should have been playing instead of Wilson on that Td pass. Oh and he should have subbed himself in to tackle on that final kickoff. What a load of crap and easy out to say “blame it on the coach”
i guess if someone is going to be critical of Smith, then they have to give him credit too for the performance in the second half. Special teams play were costly and that’s on the players and not the coaches. Too many points left on the field too in first half. Kids played hard and didn’t quit and I’ll credit Smith and his staff and players for the tough effort. People always looking to blame someone though….nature of the beast.
One critique of Lindgren is why was Kolby Taylor so involved in the first half instead of Champ Flemings. I thought switching Taylor for Flemings is one of the main reasons for our improvement at the end.
Hes the coach, hes responsible for every guy who is on the field. Hes also responsible for how poorly coached and undisciplined the players are. So hamilcar jumping over lineman is a personal foul, that’s a rule, he should have been coached on that, its a rule in football. Obviously he wasnt coached. Repeatedly putting a kicker who cant kick……to kick in the game is the coach’s fault.
No but he wont bench the dumbass who keeps missing them. And he keeps trying to kick field goals that the guy cant make. He should just go for the first downs.
Yup. One reason I give Smith more of a pass than Angry. EVERY coach deserves some blame after losses. But what can you do when Stanford throws into a double team on a QB playing receiver, and your guys just flail and fall and miss? He’s still working with a lot of crappy GA recruits and young recruits of his own.
That was really terrible. Wilson hasn’t look that bad before at least but that should have been an interception and was a TD instead because our guys just ran into each other like goof balls rather than make a play on the ball.. Hicks _Onu is really bad
I’m still giving him a pass but I’m like 99% done with him. Main reason being (a) he doesn’t learn from past mistakes. Mistakes are going to happen. Learn. (b) he doesn’t have the right personnel on the field. This was an old Riley mistake that he seems to have inherited.
I still have a little hope. It was like 5% before this game and now it’s 1%. *insert* “So you’re telling me there’s a chance” GIF.
Really weird game — beat Stanford by a long shot in every meaningful facet of the game except the score. Yardage check, first downs check, penalties check, turnovers (tie) but we’ll take it check. How the fuck did we lose this game?!?!?!?!?
I watched the post game player interviews. Good Lord AP is a beast. The common theme among all the players answers was : details, details,details. I think they get it but just can’t quite get over the hump to execute all game. Also,to me, Hodgins Sounds like he’s really “football smart”.
Why can’t we play a full game? Against Hawaii and Oklahoma St we disappeared in the 2nd half, and this game we didn’t show up at all in the first.
Like, our previously terrible teams would just get stomped from minute 1 to minute 60. Now we’re losing 30 minutes, winning 30 minutes(except against Oklahoma St) and barely losing the game.
I think AP is NFL caliber. Another Smith coaching mistake to add to Angry’s list. AP had one carry in the second half against Hawaii after averaging 11 YPC in the first half. Arguably, Jemar ended up with the ankle injury from overuse in the second half of that game.
Clownzano with a damning article up about Oregon St not investing in its football program.
When you hire shit coaches on the cheap that’s what you get. Shit football.
But we have the highest paid AD (or is it 2nd highest?) in the entire conference. Ed Ray and Barnes need to be shown the door tonight. And take the shitty football coaching staff with you.
Football isn’t life, though. I know we all gather around the TV and live/die OSU football for 4 hours once a week for like 15 weeks, but still; money and time that is spent on a football team is money and time not spent elsewhere. I’m glad Ed Ray has focused on the academics of the school; I’d rather be us than Alabama. Cool, you produced some national champions, but can they fucking “National Champion”?
Personally I get just as excited hearing about how awesome we’re doing at robotics competitions as I do watching us win baseball games, and there’s only so much money to go around. Maybe robotics doesn’t drive Oregonian readership like football, but it’s way more impressive and important, so give me cool academic programs and heartbreaking football every day.
Even under the current financial situation, football doesn’t have to be heartbreaking; and it doesn’t cost a cent to properly utilize the players already on the team.
The frustrating part for me is it doesn’t have to be like this. There’s another kicker on the roster. Just put him in the game. He can’t be worse. And if he is then go for it on 4th.
There are other questionable personnel decisions. That’s the one everyone agrees would make the team better, yet Smith won’t do it. With the proper players on the field we’d be 3-1. Everyone is like “hey we’re close just a few plays away”…well that doesn’t count, but what does count is actually having the right guys on the field to get to 3-1, and it’s not that hard to do.
I don’t have too strong of an opinion one way or the other but sometimes guys are better at being assistants than the are at leading a program… sure hope Smith isn’t one of those.
Yes, it was mostly an Anderpants problem. His offensive mismanagement esp. regarding QBs was a fatal flaw. We’re seeing better play in Smith year 2 than Anderpants year 3, and the Pantsed One took the program over in a MUCH better place than Smith did.
Some of your arguments do have merit. I cannot or will not discredit them. Anderson has his own flaws. But he’d been successful in the past. What was the common denominator here?
Food fort thought. Here’s the list of OSU’s past 4 head coaching hires in the four major sports WW follow…..
Football – Jonathan Smith
Men’s Basketball – Wayne Tinkle
Women’s basketball – Scott Rueck
Baseball – Mitch Canham
Does any of those scream home run hire? Or does it say OSU is hiring coaches from lower conferences/divisions on the cheap and “hoping” it works out. Rueck so far is the only one that was a smash success.
It also raises a question with me. Did Canham only get the job because he was willing to take less $ than Yeskie?
Smith wasn’t the only one willing to take this job. Yes we struck out with Anderson. Why? If Anderson has been successful everywhere else?
More than one party needs to look in the mirror on that one.
I’ve stated Anderson quit because he realized he was never going to change the culture here. And OSU not investing in its football program is a big part of that culture.
There’s a poster here who has a perfect username. “Hopeful ain’t a plan”
Oregon St needs to start ponying up if they want to turn this around. I don’t like Canzano but he’s not wrong here. Nor is Anderson. It won’t matter who they fire and hire. Otherwise we’re staring down the barrel of 28 consecutive losing seasons again.
Short of Nick Saban walking through the door of the valley football center on the cheap, “Hopeful ain’t a plan”
Right now OSU has no plan, no vision and nothing to sell potential donors or recruits.
Fair point, but the money OSU is willing to spend and the relative performance of the people they can hire with that money are two separate issues. I think we can agree coaches here have an uphill battle given the lesser resources than the rest of the conference, though. Even so, WSU eventually got something rolling, and they’re right down there with us.
OSU needs to spend more money on football, but if I’m remembering correctly GA’s big issue at the time seemed to be with his assistants. He even commented to Canzano that he hired the wrong ones. What I always thought was interesting is the program was vastly improved in 2016 and then the wheels fell off again. As CEO of the program that falls on GA.
Anderpants’ stated reason(s) and actual are quite different. He had a semantics problem, people can hardly understand the man, it’s so bad. Quarterbacks, being some of the most intelligent players on the team, had particular difficulty understanding the man who insists on sounding like he barely finished 5th grade. For example: Anderpants’ “toughness” is equivalent to Niners’ “effort.” Anderpants is a hack. His semantics problem miffed all P5 roster and recruit quarterbacks and the rest is history.
I’ve heard it is fantastic. Never had it though. If you ever get a chance, try bear made into pepperoni or breakfast sausage. That’s right up there on my favorite foods. Makes the store bought stuff taste like garbage, like you won’t want to ever eat it again. I have a local butcher/ meat processing place make mine (if I get a bear).
It’s all I how you take care of the meat and if you cook it correctly… Just like pork can get worms so can bear meat… people just need to be diligent about preparation and make sure to cook it to the right temp… What I’ve found is with sausage and Jerky, you can make any meat edible lol… I’ve had Emu Jerky and it was legit… sausage and jerky always have a bunch of spices and fillers, not really straight up meat… that being said a real cut of steak from an antelope, deer, or elk is excellent… as long as the person prepared it adequately… anybody who says they don’t like venison or elk hasn’t eaten a correctly butchered and cured animal… it can be a gamey, nasty tasting meal otherwise
The reality of it is the potential is there. You just have to take care of the bear meat properly from harvest to your belly. A lot of wild animals that we eat have potential for worms/trichenosis/salmonella or Lord knows what. I always make sure my wild game is cooked all the way.
Morning after. Tough weekend with the recruiting thing and losing a winnable game. I read the clownzano article for the first time in a long time. I did not realize we were last in the Pac 12 in football spending. Maybe something to it, otherwise everyone would be Boise state or Air Force.
We are better than last year and the defense has improved from horrible to just bad. Our defensive backfield seems to be the worst aspect of the D.
Smith inherited a mess and it will take some time to fix it. I hope smith is the guy that can do it. It would probably help to spend more $ on the program.
Smith running Choke Air out for a 50 yard FG attempt is akin to a dumbass repeatedly burning his finger by touching a glowing hot piece of metal to check if it is still hot. That is a troubling lack of judgment by the leader of the program.
I know our softball media would never do it, but it would be interesting to ask Smith why he thought (in crappy conditions) why Choukair would make the first 50 yards plus FG in his career at that particular time? That’s my problem with it, the sample size is there, 0-6. Either find a kicker with a bigger leg or get that type of attempt off the table once and for all.
Special teams and the offense laying a goose egg in the first half. Overall I thought the defense played quite well considering what we seen from them the last 2 years.
On the blocked FG, does anyone know….did Choke kick it too low or was it poor blocking? Choke deserves blame when it’s warranted, but if blocks were missed that should be called out too. I have not seen a replay yet.
Thanks, looks like we were asking at about the same time.
Stanford guy was unblocked….had a free run on the right side during the block. What kills me is you can tell there is not enough Beavs on that side of the line. Stanford had two against one on that side. Coaches should have recognized it and should have been a timeout.
This game is squarely on the special teams. Beavs should have gone into half time with at least one score.
You may want to go with 0-8. I think the 0-6 came from a stat that was shown during the game. As you know, the P-12 Network is renowned for its detailed research.
On the radio broadcast, when Choker was trotted out for that 50-yard attempt (right before the half?), they mentioned watching him in warmups attempting 50 yarders and not having the distance….
“I wasn’t happy about it, but I wasn’t surprised,” Shaw said. “We kept them in front of us through most of the game, but they started hitting some deep crosses. I can’t say enough about their quarterback. He made some great throws tonight.”
Not being mentioned much is we gave up 250 yards and and 3TDs to a backup QB in his first start.
Made that guy look all world. I think if Costello played we’d have won…luck o’ da………
Saw the QBR stat for Stanford’s QB vs Luton head to head last night was 91 vs 71, in favor of Stanford’s guy.
Stat gives different weights to different plays based on situation, expected outcome and actual outcome. It’s designed to not give too much credit for a guy throwing a 90 yard bomb as time expires in a blowout and penalizes players for losing yards in key situations(such as taking a sack to push your team out of field goal range)
Stars matter. I want to find hope. Its not like I can bail and ever have a team I love like the Beavs. Thought D had some big plays which never happened last year. Still think Gebbia and a new kicker should have happened. I saw D moved Speights into first rotation. Riley Sharp can play. Secondary still bad. Some great plays off the under center.
Ed Ray needs to be kicked the fuck out of the University. Special teams are poor again. We held Standford to many less then 2 yard runs which is new. Two missed sacks equated to 7 points and 4. Sloppy play.
Ucla, az, asu, Cal , wsu games we should be in. Utah multi score loss, UW and Oregon done by 10min into the second quarter. Pierce is an absolute stud.
Smith sure deflected on the Williams question (like we knew he would). He understands the details, but can he get his players to execute enough to win close games. The hard follow up question that was not asked by the media is “why can’t they execute”?
An interesting addendum…Hodgins is quoted in Oregon Live as saying the team had several “lethargic” practices last week.
I don’t enjoy picking against the spread, and my other pickem leagues I’ve gotta pick like 30 games a week so I haven’t been putting much effort into it.
In my view we would have won this game if we had used Gebbia. True, Luton is a good passer and played hard, and he had spurts of really good play, mostly in the second half. Having said that, there were several times that he had opportunities to run the ball for first downs, or even a touchdown or two (particularly when he missed our wide open receiver in the end zone with an open field in front of him). He is not able to sustain the level of play required for a full 60 minutes. Overall, he is a big liability to our future success.
At this point there is no more question, we have to prepare for the rest of the season, and next year. Playing Jake is a waste of time. Clearly we won’t be going to a bowl. Who cares if we win one more game, of two or three. The season is most likely lost. We have a four star QB who set several California passing records, and a guy who has shown that he run if needed. What the hell are we waiting for. Get the kid in there and start giving him some experience.
This season was lost as soon as Luton got his 6th year form the NCAA. It put Smith in a bind to go with the senior(again) or his unproven 4* qb transfer. As a 2nd year coach with a lot of things to deal with, Smith hasn’t shown the capability of making that decision and going with the ‘kid’.
I wish Gebbia had been named the starter from spring ball onward and given the team time to get used to the idea, and mentally prepare to rally behind the future qb. They’ve all seen the skill of Luton…I wonder if he is a qb version of Bolden- great practice player but unreliable in game pressure.
Beavs should be 3-1 in spite of themselves and are sitting at 1-3. Luton is a limited qb and not a true leader with no “IT” factor at all. He is a blow-out stat stuffer who cannot win under duress.
Give Gebbia 8 games and he wins 2-3 of them. Had they given him 12, I think he wins 6 . Luton may win 2 out of 12.
It is of course a team game, but this has been seen for 3 years and he is not better than when he arrived.
I didn’t realize Luton played on special teams and leaped over the line of scrimmage and landed on a defender to draw a 15 yard penalty with 9:44 left in the 4th quarter?
That play cost us the game. Luton actually did a good job in the second half on Saturday. We don’t get that penalty, we’d be down 24-14. We score the TD to answer, it’s now 24-21. We get them to go 3 and out, then score a TD on our next drive, we go up 24-28. This forces Stanford to have to get a touchdown, and not set up for a field goal. Since that didn’t happen, we used both our remaining timeouts when Stanford had none remaining. We go into cover 3 and only rush 3 down lineman to try to get a pass rush, we essentially play prevent zone. This also cost us the game. We can’t get shut out in a half and expect to win a game either. The beavs out gained, got more first downs, still haven’t turned the ball over via INT. I would say Luton is not the problem. It’s that this team cannot put a complete game together. Also, Luton got sacked 2 times in a row to push us out of manageable field goal range, so if anything, that would be the only series I could see Luton being an issue, but generally sacks are on the offensive line and RB’s for not picking up blitzes.
The first half was far too predictable in play calling; as the announcers pointed out with the Pistol look being a hand off every single time. The screen game is effective because it’s not overused like it was with Riley’s offense.
Luton over threw a wide open kolby taylor in the end zone that ended in a miss from Choker. He as also held on to those sacks when he had time to throw them away, instead he goes backwards and loses 10+ yards. I’ll give him a small pass on that as Choker couldn’t hit that field goal anyway.
truth is, even in your scenario, Stanford wins 31-28 because they score a touchdown at the end rather than kicking a field goal. Starting at the 50 with 1:45 left to play, easily accomplished. After the scramble for the first down Stanford was trying to run the clock down for the FG. If they needed at TD they would have gotten it. Different plot line, same ending.
Has Jefferson played more than 4 games this year? He was out vs Cal Poly but I thought I saw him for a couple of snaps vs Stanford. If he’s going to be dinged up and ineffective for most of the season wouldn’t it make more sense to start thinking redshirt?
Also, I think maybe Daschel from o-live is peeking over our shoulder. He’s got an article up questioning Luton and Choker. Not the usual golly gee what a great moral victory stuff.
Good point. No sense counting games if he is only getting in for a couple reps. And we have more than enough bodies at the RB position to cover for him. No sense in rushing him back from his injury just so he can re-aggravate it
First!
Bishes
I’m having a rare pre-game cocktail. Figure I need it if Stanford is suddenly Stanford and their backup is all-world, which knowing the luck o’ da Beavs….
https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/1178077464100081664
I don’t tweet, but really liked your response to the question of “is Jack really dead?”
Nobody knows. I prefer not to know so I can make jokes guilt free.
Haha. Exactly. If I knew he was dead none of this would be funny.
But as things stand his ghost can be the 12th man.
Is jack really dead?
Possibly.
Skydiving accident. Right into a pile of horded gold bullion, oh the irony.
He tested the axiom that you can’t eat gold.
28 to 24 Beavs!
Weather delay
So much for a fast start?………First coaching error?
Maybe, but not really.
Rain. would have been nice if it held off till after the 1st drive, which is likely scripted to include several passing plays.
This is the big crowd after giving away extra tickets and getting students in town?
Are you at the game?
How many people?
Watching from home. At least for a half, then i’ll need you guys to keep me up to date while im at an oktoberfest party
First few plays good runs and a good pass. This QB is going to light us up haha.
Doesn’t help that Moore is not in uniform, Morris though, is.
Jack’s ghost is playing safety we’re golden.
That’s great Morris is back.
If he’s 100% he’s a game changer.
Any streams online for this game?
Need this stop
If they get this on 3rd and 17 were in trouble.
How is that even a question if he caught it? Even in real time it was obviously a catch. Refs already delaying the game unnecessarily
Pac12 refs.
OLine getting good push today
Toilet Bowl, part 2?
Til Gus is blown off the ball.
Happened literally as i hit send. You can blame me
Luton with no touch as usual.
Really dumb check down on 2nd and short to the exact same run play as well. Stalled that drive. The advantage of experienced QB’s should be avoiding dumb plays like that
This rain is like +powerup for the Beavs
Choker 0 for 6 on 50 yard+ field goals. Obviously, have him try one in a downpour. Wtf Smith
Rain blocked that one!
Always stupid to use choker but especially from 50 in the rain.
Smith error #1
Luton is still Luton. Tries to force the ball to Hodgins when he’s doubled.
Luton kills a great drive by locking on to a double covered Hosgins instead of tucking and running.
Choukair misses another long FG.
Same old same old so far.
^^^^^
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Look at all that green in front of him!
Choker should be left in the locker room.
Makes sense we go with the out of character orange unis instead of black….or maybe since it isn’t 90+ degrees the black unis are left in the closet. Ha!
All I want for Christmas is a new kicker.
Making this QB look all world
Our pass d is just bad
The defense is still the defense.
Nothing new to see here.
Game over?
Put Gebbia in now.
Mills PAC-12 player of the week.
Might need another drink.
Smith error #2: sticking with Luton.
#3) waiting till 2nd and 20+ to use AP
Sigh, can’t decide if I wanna keep watching or go do something productive. Same shit every game.
Go do something
https://youtu.be/pjv6qdYbs2Q
Wtf… this is bad.. we had a bye to prepare for them yet We’re checking into the wrong run play over and over again From and obvious formation.. what is going on!?
Coaches are green and clueless.
They don’t know how to recruit how are they going to game plan?
Scott Barnes just ruined that photo opp with Dennis Erickson by being in the picture.
^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^
Hey in the gomightycard interview I told him to watch for rashid. He’s improved a lot.
Defense doing relatively good — seems like the offensive production is inversely related. FAWK!!!
Probability o’ da Beavs
Like a see-saw — when one side is up, the other is down.
Trait of bad teams
Pretty drive so far.
Finish.
Coffee is for closers!
What do shitty QBs and kickers who cant kick get?
Kitchen knives.
Closers get a Cadillac
You’re weak!
Good old luton with no touch…..again.
Luton jumps the snap count…….another way to kill a drive.
Choker…….you knew it.
The yips strike again
Why even try to kick at this point?
Smith error #3: using Choker again.
Luton sucking it up when it mattered most.
Can we not try anymore Field goals
Smith: if you want a long shot at winning this game stop all FG attempts and put in Gebbia now.
I’d be good with using all four downs instead of kicking.
3rd and long, our achilles hill on defense.
DB still not looking, that should have been picked
Banker is coaching them via drones.
As soon as I heard backup QB…
Lack of Beavs O is a larger problem today.
Luton missed a wide open TD.
Due to the possibility of thunderstorms last minute we decided to stay home. Looks like we made a wise choice. Now I need to make another smart choice and turn off this shit show at halftime and go do something productive.
Fucking dbacks are flat footed.
Luton has had 2 drives he’s killed by choosing to throw rather than scrambling a few extra yards for the 1st down and resetting.
At least Gebbia can be counted on to get a few yards on the ground in those situations.
Hope he gets some significant time in the 2nd half, but you know he wont as long as Luton is still standing
That’s way too easy.
I have 3 major coaching errors.
At what point do we start talking a new staff?
Smith sticking with Luton is killing us he’s not a pac QB.
Hard to overstate the effect of giving up points in the last couple minutes of the half. A real mental kick in the nads.
The run defense is doing well. It’s just those pesky pass plays.
Any AVERAGE offense would have at least one score by now….
Working hard to get into field goal range. Lol lol
Exactly what I was thinking. I have no confidence there will be points here
Luton helping Ckoker’s FG %
It was just a matter of how we would shoot ourselves in the foot?
Penalty? Missed kick?……nah….let’s get a sack out of field goal range
Or 2 sacks for good measure.
Did Stanford only send 2 or 3 guys after Luton on both those plays and still get to him? Dear lord. Throw the fucking ball away and give your team a shot.
Noah T. plays, luke Musgrave sits………..coaching error #whatever
Luton should be benched JUST for throwing to Togiai.
I’m beginning to be anti Smith.
His inability to see choker, Togia, and Luton are not winning players is a serious flaw.
You have to be able to analyze talent and adjust/admit error.
Hodgins is covering for just how bad the decisions are.
Totally agree, this is more coaching than personal.
When you have the personnel they’re just sitting then it’s a coaching problem.
90% of coaching is talent evaluation/getting the players that give your team the best chance of winning on the field. There is no argument to be made that’s Choker, Luton, or Togia. Zero. If these guys can’t analyze talent and do that they need to go. If they see that and can’t make the difficult decision because it’s difficult, they also need to go.
Pathetic :(
Went from being the only team scoring on all first possessions of the game to….scoring a big fat zero against a weak Stanford team….Ha!
Announcers talking field goal range. There is no range close enough
Coaching error #4: Togia over musgrave
Everybody gets better against the beavs.
Luton can pass, but that’s it. Overall he is a huge detriment to the team. What’s wrong with our head couch. Please, please, please get Gebbia in there!!!!!!!!! Pull that Offensive coordinator and get Gebbia in there John. Be a coach, not a puppet.
I’m having a hard time pinpointing any one thing Luton is good at. If you just looked at his stats you would say decision making because he has no INT’s, but he routinely throws it at defenders. He doesn’t have arm strength and he’s missed multiple open receivers today.
If Gebbia isn’t the starter after halftime I’m starting a Riley esque fire Smith campaign
Not a bring back Riley campaign?
It’s looking like we kind of did by hiring Smith. Just not as happy go lucky.
Even Riley had the small sack needed to make an obvious QB change.
Nobody can use the recruiting dust up this week to say it distracted the Beavs coaching staff, same dumb decisions have been going on too long.
So the classic formula from us in the first half:
Bad blocking(giving up sacks that cost us points/drives);
Cannot stop ANY pass;
Cannot stop ANY 3rd down attempt
Pretty tough to beat any real game with you don’t block and don’t stop the pass. Again.
I still think talent is 90% of the problem, but yeah, starting Luton/Togiai is not helping, so that’s on Smith.
If you throw in smart/disciplined play as “talent”, I fully agree. Need smarter players that understand blocking – on both sides of the ball.
I have a feeling they start Luton every game this year. ?
What is with the P-12 Network media and this false narrative about Luton making some amazing body transformation in the off-season? The one idiot analyst was babbling about it on a play where lumbering Luton was sacked! WTF?
He lost weight, but he’s still slow
In previous years he wouldn’t have started lumbering
People are idiots and eat up narratives they’re fed.
It’s any industry not just sports.
I expect Stanford to adjust, pass more in the second half, and pull away quickly. It should be obvious our secondary isn’t stopping anyone and our run D has been surprisingly good.
God I hope Luton gets another year. Just imagine a 6’7″QB with one more year in the system…
That 20th year of experience will make all the difference.
What I don’t get is why waste a year with Luton, he’s not your QB and he’s only eligible by the random decisions of the NCAA. It would have been a perfect scenario to name Gebbia the starter and let Luton either stay as a back-up or try the transfer portal.
Oregon State should move all non baseball programs down to FCS or at the very least join a non-Power 5 conference. We don’t pour enough money into our sports programs to compete at the Power-5 level and the gap is only growing wider by the year. There are a lot of schools that are D1 in Baseball and compete at a lower level in other sports. Oregon State needs to join them
….uuuhhh NO….we need a billionaire benefactor.
Lol man.. that was such a nut kick of a first half.. yet if we can score to start the second we are right there despite the terrible coaching and play. Like wtf is the deal with the audible into that same run play from the pistol formation on every pivotal down. Whose idea was that? It should stop and he should be kicked square in the nuts.
“….score and we’re right back in it…”, which us what they’ll Use as rationale to keeps Luton in there unfortunately…
Watching Ohio St dump truck NEB on the road is enjoyable to watch.
Why the fuck are we returning kickoffs from the end zone?
Coaching error #5?
Jake “Wheels” Luton takes off for 8!
You guys see the Twitter video of a Beav pushing another Beav while going into the locker room?
Link?
Look on my feed someone tweeted it at me
Its Cardasco shoving Blake Brandel
Just his team captain. No biggie.
Ok that pass to Taylor was incomplete but it looks like it DID hit him in the hands, damn.
What is with these runs? They’re only bringing like 4 guys and we can’t get anywhere on the ground.
No points with Luton through 2 quarters.. He’s continued to make mistakes. Why not try out Gebbia?
Smith’s lovefest with Luton is starting to remind me of GAs with Seth.
The time for Gebbia to win this game for us has passed.
It’s not like he’d be perfect. Needed to allow him a few dud drives and get him in sooner.
Now only the ghost of Jack can win this.
Millionth third down conversion for Stanford.
Jesus Christ.
Literally every year I’m like “Where are our linebackers? Why do they NEVER make plays?” And here we are again. LBs that make no plays, every 3rd down converted.
And another FR QB w/a highly efficient, effective game against the Beavers. Anyone who telecasts the Beavers should analyze and show that history and pattern. Remarkable.
Of course…..
Man we are so good at tackling. Could probably recruit only wrestling heavyweights for the d line and do better.
Throw to the tight end like that touchdown.
What will the excuses for the coaches be this time around? The Stanford offense is WEAK. They have an inexperienced QB. Their OL is injured. No prolific backs.
So what staff is out there that can be had for cheap?
Any Leach or Miles out there?
Bryan Harsin?
All he does is keep winning at Boise St.
And the few losses are usually competitive
Yes please.
But would he want anything to do with OSU?
Morris playing some patty cake with the Mills right there lol
Another Beaver shitshow!
I watched the Memphis vs Navy game earlier this week. I really liked Memphis’s coach. Can we steal him?
Baylor beat Iowa state on a field goal made by a freshman…..
Hodgins saving luton from a pick
And even the PAC announcers can see it!!
Hodgins goin 1st rd this year
That shouldn’t even go in the books as a TD for Luton.
But, but, he doesn’t throw ints.
That’s the book it should go into.
Like Champ’s 1st TD, a TD catch, not a TD throw…
Hodgins is OP. Gonna need a nerf in the next patch.
Talk about bailing out your quarterback
Good fuck that was a gift wrapped INT. Terrible, terrible pass.
The apologist will quote stats.
Hodgins has been bailing out Luton for 2 years.
Cooks bailed out Mannion, too. Though he was a much better QB
Was that a stop on 3rd down? WHAT JUST HAPPENED?
Of course we then let the punt go like 60 yards and pin us on the 5. Can our PR not call fair catch? Come on.
Glad I didn’t go to this game, glad i’m not watching, just checking in here.
The most disappointing thing is the outcomes thus far aren’t at all surprising.
The program is missing a chance to win sone fans back..
Even the refs tryin to bail out Luton.
There’s a pick. Only a matter of time.
Luton robbed of another pick.
That won’t pass review since he touched out of bounds while bobbling the ball.
Although, pac12 refs could still f up the call.
“Robbed of another pick”…………….simply NB gold!
BTW, even Parker admits Luton didn’t make a good throw.
Why world he throw that? He has 6 years of experience and is tall!
That valuable experience again….
That was just a terrible decision by the 12th year senior. Throwing on the sideline to double coverage AND throwing it to the inside.
Whether this review turns into an INT or not, just a hideous decision.
Noah adds to the heartbreak by finally catching one.
The announcers say those are the hands were accustomed to seeing.
Is this a bizarro world?
Cuz he caught a few shitty throws from collins 4 years ago is why.
Guys, I just don’t get it. Luton has only 1 receiver he throws to, can’t run, and worst of all can’t pass. To let this guy continue to play is beyond nuts, and a program demolition.
I’m done watching or reading about this , probably forever. It’s just sad that has come down to this.
This says nothing about the pathetic defense.
Pierce to the house
Pierce leaving DBs in the dust. Dude is a rocket.
Pierce!!! Just thinking to myself if whether or not we had any plays bigger than 20+ yards.
AP does what he does……whenever the coaches let him!
Pierce with the nifty run. TD!!!
Luton leading us to another huge comeback win just like last year in CO. His arm talent is a difference maker.
Barf!
AP has real game speed. He did the same thing vs Ohio State.
Time for D to get a cream filled turnover??? Then Luton give it right back?
Any bets on how this will end?
A. Beavs tie it up and then go ahead to win
B. Beavs don’t score again
C. Beavs tie it up and lose on missed field goal
D. Beavs tie it up, but lightning strikes the stadium and game is cancelled. Tie game
Angrys answer below
Nall fumbles on the 40 yard line.
Ouch, that was when stanford was good too.
Beavs D fails.
Luton has to pass a lot and gets picked to end it. We never see Gebbia or musgrave.
Now time for the D to fail us.
On Q
There we go
Get ready for a stanford touchdown on a screen after the break.
Seems like whenever Beavs take a TO, the opposing offense comes back with a huge play. We’ll see….
Lol
But remember refs calling or not called that play doesn’t determine outcomes.
Source: beav fans last week asu vs Michigan state
LOL
Excellent!
Wow making mills look like jerry rice and joe montana?
2 guys standing right there and they let him catch an easy pick
Happens so many times I’d be more shocked with a different outcome.
Number 10 on the defense should not be out there
We are garbage no way around it, out of position all the time.
Or in position and just stand there
I noticed that too especially on 3rd down. Alot of people just standing around midfield.
What a fucking joke.
That was Shawn Wilson, btw, who fucking fell over on that TD pass. Because defending an unathletic QB on a pass route was too much for him. Just incredible. I’m relatively sure half of our botched pass defenses have his name on them.
He turns to LOOK and he should be able to adjust and INT…..
Now that pressure is off to win, Luton throwing relaxed, making plays.
Yep. And now the stats are there to support playing him again.
….and even if D makes a stop, he’ll panic, hold on to ball and get sacked — completely different player when game is on the line. That Colorado game looking like an outlier.
Just enough to save his job next week
“Angrybeaver look”
I’m suing
Now we need a turn over or a stop……lol get ready for a grumpy woulda shoulda coulda evening.
Did Baylor just man that out?
Bj Baylor and chainsaw erotica
That was weird
He fell on top of Baylor, but this is pac12 refs no confidence
Don’t know why I find this response so funny.
I say I’m quitting the game if they don’t pull Luton and play Gebbia and Beaver fan tells me to have a little patience.
Luton’s a 6th year quarterback. How much more patience do people have?
https://twitter.com/WayneWmolebash/status/1178127464658161664?s=19
Until luton is selling life insurance in Cleveland Ohio. That’s how long.
Stanford knee isn’t down, when Baylor collecting ball…..you would think the booth could deduce that the ball HAD TO BE LOOSE before the pile hit the ground. Luck O’da Beavs!
Watching in low-def here, but looked like that ball popped into Baylor’s arms before tree guy was down.
….and if you look at the reaction of Tree guy, he’s trying/scrambling/reaching for ball knowing that he lost it — players only do that when they know they fumbled it.
We didn’t get the ball back there, but it FEELS like we have the momentum in the game.
Luton with a chance to do something in meaningful time here.
Jinx, you’ve done it now
Que the INT
Or give it to Pierce!!!
Well he didn’t do much but Pierce carried the load.
Watch Choker will miss the PAT
Yep
Looks short on replay
Foot in mouth
So this play calling the last 3 series has been great, uptempo, solid runs and passes. Why do we have to wait for shit like this, why cant they do this from the start?
Luton seems 1000% better in a spread, hurry-up offense, or when we’re down 50. Not sure which.
God DAMMIT that special teams play. Just devastating. Finding a new way to lose.
Scenarios A, C and D are all still on the table.
C!
Well that changed momentum
Theres the d I remember fuck me
Should have let them score and keep the 2 TO
Yup, there just setting up for a field goal
Whitley decided to play…haha
Those were some OSU playcalls by Stanford there. Terrible obvious runs that just backed them up and un-centered them.
This shit gets old
Fucking Hamelcar jumping on that field goal attempt, difference in the game…..fuck me!!!
Yeah, like most games there are several moments on both sides that “Changed the game”. Like Luton’s 2 picks that weren’t picks(the failed challenge one and the Hodgins bailout). That Hamelcar play cost us points, but so did our double penalties in the red zone, and the double personal fouls. Just brutal.
3 point loss. From being down 21-0 at half that seems good, but…can we just play a full game? Like, once? Same thing with the Oklahoma St game AND Hawaii.
Luton missing a wide open TD to Taylor.
This is what bad QBs and bad teams do.
Yes, several moments that changed the game. One thing remains; Tree has tradition and Beavs haven’t learned how to win.
Plays that lead to the loss in my mind:
Choukair getting blocked
Luton taking a sack (and then out of FG range) at the end of 1st half
Leverage penalty that gave furd 7 instead of settling for 3
Kick return by furd at end of the game
Any or all of those change and beavs win
No.
Beav fans said in asu vs Michigan state that the ref calling or not calling that penalty doesn’t matter.
Oh no we’re not rehashing this again are we :p
They just set up that whole series after the kickoff for a field goal. If anybody didnt already know that.
Another game we should have won that’s on Smith
Hawaii game in reverse.
3-1,doesn’t sound too bad…would put some people in Reser too…
There was never any doubt.
And now we will hear how the Beavs outscored Stanford in the last 25 or so minutes. Outscoring the Tree 28 to 10………..after being down 21-0…………BFD
And, sure, OSU got more yds and first downs than the winner.
I hate that I’m a beaver fan
Special teams lost this one
By Monday, Smith will say fans got to “see a team that doesn’t quit” or some similar b.s.
Of course, heartbreak city
Definitely on beavergopher. 100%
Send that rascal halfway across the country! NOW!
Banish him to the frozen tundra of Minnesota.
Now 2-12. You’re welcome:)
The problem with being at all invested is that at some point there has to be a payoff. This is like going to a casino, sitting at a slot machine, and every pull is a loss. Not even the occasional payout even as you come out behind overall. You’d want to leave and do something fun.
Basic psychology, irregular rewards have a longer lasting effect on behavior than consistent/reliable outcomes. That said, it’s to the point that the (positive) rewards are so extremely irregular that many more may stop caring.
Left for the third quarter and regret coming back for the fourth
I guess as an alum I have to disagree with you. They are my team and I’m going to support them, period. I’ll bitch when things aren’t being done well (or I wouldn’t be on this site) but I won’t walk away, particularly when I’m seeing improvement as I am this year. I’ll leave that for Yankee and Duck fans.
I thought that trick play where their QB (as a receiver no less) out-smarted two defensive backs who were in the right position, but somehow played fucking Keystone Cops and fell down sort of sums up the game and what it means to be a Beaver fan. I thought for sure that was going to be an interception. What’s wrong with me?
Two of our seniors…..
If we had a decent kicker we would have won
We have other kickers on the roster, yet Smith plays the one that fails over and over….
I was with some of you in that once Stanford had a decent return, Smith should have let them score. We would have had two timeouts with minute and a half — assume we score and go for two, Stanfords D was winded, and Pierce could have walked in for the win. At least we go down with the hot hand, rather than let Stanford milk the clock for slow death.
After the QB scrambled for that 1st down had to let them score else your fate was sealed.
Smith failed again. Error #6 (at least…)
I mean, we’ve seen smart players just take a knee before scoring, too, so the clock still runs out. Maybe Stanford does that, or maybe they just score and take their chance with our offense again. Either way, I don’t think the ONLY way to play that out is to let them score. Certainly an option, but so it just getting a stop. They weren’t in the red zone, the return brought them to the 35. Far from a certainty there.
The returner got them to the 50. In three plays they got inside the redzone. The QB scramble was the game ender and where they needed to let Stanford score on that play or the next. It’s smarter to have control of the ball and determine your own fate at that point, especially with two timeouts.
I mean you can do many things including what Smith did but those things are not in your favor.
The mistake was on smith and co hurrying up to score the td on first down. Could have at least let the play clock run down and give stanford the ball with closer to a minute left. Stanford had no timeouts and an inexperienced qb.
Some coaches would choose to do a medium depth squib type kick, hope that the receiving team has to down it around the 30 given that Standford had no time outs. Also, what happened to Choukair’s leg, it would have been a perfect time for a touchback. It should also be mentioned that the pass defense was atrocious on the first play from the 50. Easy 18-yard pitch and catch, very soft coverage for such a crucial time in the game.
Serious question, has a team ever “let” the other team score in similar situations to this? I hear this argument every now and then but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it happen in my life.
The coach or team may not admit it, but I’ve seen enough situations where the defenses were playing so bad that it definitely looked like the coach called for the seas to part, so said coach could get the offense right back out there with enough time left to have a shot at winning.
1997 Broncos/Packers Super Bowl. Packers admitted they intentionally let Terrell Davis score with 1:57 left to get the ball back in Bob Favre’s hands. Didn’t work out for them but there you go.
They should have given it to Brett. Bob never did well under pressure.
Calling him Bob was an inside joke amongst the group I ran with at the time. One of them was a huge Packers fan. That ‘97 super bowl was a thing of beauty as Denver was a huge underdog in that game. I don’t recall many people that thought they’d win.
I never liked Favre. I believe he holds the nfl record for career interceptions. I also find it extremely hilarious the last pass he ever threw for Green Bay was an interception that led to the Giants game winning score in the nfc championship game.
Luton = Favre lite. An interception waiting to happen. Give me a game manager at QB over a gunslinger 10 out of 10 times.
https://iamcorrect.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/brett-favre-throwin-picks-and-textin-chicks.jpg
https://www.google.com/amp/s/harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/the-super-bowl-bill-belichick-and-letting-your-opponent-score/amp/
I’ve seen it a lot in the NFL and occasionally in college (worse kickers so it makes slightly more sense we see it less). In the game tonight it would have been the right move factoring in all things.
500 to 350 difference on total yards. This was several crucial plays that were just critically missed by Oregon state players. Ridiculous to say this would be on Smith.
No turnovers by Offense again….that’s positive.
This is like the Colorado game 2 years ago when Cory hall took over. How the fuck did we just lose
Ridiculous to say this would be on Smith
True only if the best, most unlikely to critically miss were getting playing time; they’re not.
Smith’s poor decisions have now cost OSU 3 wins over 2 years. Nevada, Hawaii, Stanford.
We’re bad enough that we can’t afford that, obviously.
Really putting this on Smith huh? I have no idea how you can pull that out. Oh that’s right he should have been playing instead of Wilson on that Td pass. Oh and he should have subbed himself in to tackle on that final kickoff. What a load of crap and easy out to say “blame it on the coach”
i guess if someone is going to be critical of Smith, then they have to give him credit too for the performance in the second half. Special teams play were costly and that’s on the players and not the coaches. Too many points left on the field too in first half. Kids played hard and didn’t quit and I’ll credit Smith and his staff and players for the tough effort. People always looking to blame someone though….nature of the beast.
One critique of Lindgren is why was Kolby Taylor so involved in the first half instead of Champ Flemings. I thought switching Taylor for Flemings is one of the main reasons for our improvement at the end.
Hes the coach, hes responsible for every guy who is on the field. Hes also responsible for how poorly coached and undisciplined the players are. So hamilcar jumping over lineman is a personal foul, that’s a rule, he should have been coached on that, its a rule in football. Obviously he wasnt coached. Repeatedly putting a kicker who cant kick……to kick in the game is the coach’s fault.
I saw that same damn thing in a bunch of games today and never any flags
Difference is he used his hands to touch the down lineman. You can jump between but you cant use your hands to help you.
which poor decisions you referring too?
Did Smith miss the fgs today and vs Nevada? Just curious.
No but he wont bench the dumbass who keeps missing them. And he keeps trying to kick field goals that the guy cant make. He should just go for the first downs.
Yup^^^^^
Inkjet Toner
Is that the new wide receiver transfer that’s coming then not coming?
Haha we’ll never hear of that clown WR again.
that reverse pass TD to the QB should have been an easy pick by us
Yup. One reason I give Smith more of a pass than Angry. EVERY coach deserves some blame after losses. But what can you do when Stanford throws into a double team on a QB playing receiver, and your guys just flail and fall and miss? He’s still working with a lot of crappy GA recruits and young recruits of his own.
Treston Decoud and Xavier Crawford were both GA era DBs. Both in the NFL now.
That was really terrible. Wilson hasn’t look that bad before at least but that should have been an interception and was a TD instead because our guys just ran into each other like goof balls rather than make a play on the ball.. Hicks _Onu is really bad
I’m still giving him a pass but I’m like 99% done with him. Main reason being (a) he doesn’t learn from past mistakes. Mistakes are going to happen. Learn. (b) he doesn’t have the right personnel on the field. This was an old Riley mistake that he seems to have inherited.
I still have a little hope. It was like 5% before this game and now it’s 1%. *insert* “So you’re telling me there’s a chance” GIF.
Being a Beaver fan is bad but you guys need to be on suicide watch. Jesus help you
This is old hat, most of us “survivors” been through it so many times we know we’ll get through it no problem, “WE WILL SURVIVE” (Gloria Gaynor)
Really weird game — beat Stanford by a long shot in every meaningful facet of the game except the score. Yardage check, first downs check, penalties check, turnovers (tie) but we’ll take it check. How the fuck did we lose this game?!?!?!?!?
Coaching.
One team had their best players on the field and the other didn’t.
I watched the post game player interviews. Good Lord AP is a beast. The common theme among all the players answers was : details, details,details. I think they get it but just can’t quite get over the hump to execute all game. Also,to me, Hodgins Sounds like he’s really “football smart”.
Why can’t we play a full game? Against Hawaii and Oklahoma St we disappeared in the 2nd half, and this game we didn’t show up at all in the first.
Like, our previously terrible teams would just get stomped from minute 1 to minute 60. Now we’re losing 30 minutes, winning 30 minutes(except against Oklahoma St) and barely losing the game.
That’s progress, but it makes no sense to me.
I think AP is NFL caliber. Another Smith coaching mistake to add to Angry’s list. AP had one carry in the second half against Hawaii after averaging 11 YPC in the first half. Arguably, Jemar ended up with the ankle injury from overuse in the second half of that game.
Clownzano with a damning article up about Oregon St not investing in its football program.
When you hire shit coaches on the cheap that’s what you get. Shit football.
But we have the highest paid AD (or is it 2nd highest?) in the entire conference. Ed Ray and Barnes need to be shown the door tonight. And take the shitty football coaching staff with you.
Football isn’t life, though. I know we all gather around the TV and live/die OSU football for 4 hours once a week for like 15 weeks, but still; money and time that is spent on a football team is money and time not spent elsewhere. I’m glad Ed Ray has focused on the academics of the school; I’d rather be us than Alabama. Cool, you produced some national champions, but can they fucking “National Champion”?
Personally I get just as excited hearing about how awesome we’re doing at robotics competitions as I do watching us win baseball games, and there’s only so much money to go around. Maybe robotics doesn’t drive Oregonian readership like football, but it’s way more impressive and important, so give me cool academic programs and heartbreaking football every day.
Fact remains that none of those programs generate the buzz or revenue for the university and city that football does.
How many people watch robotics competitions compared to football?
Stanford would really kick our ass in that. Be careful what you wish for.
Even under the current financial situation, football doesn’t have to be heartbreaking; and it doesn’t cost a cent to properly utilize the players already on the team.
OSU has some serious problems when even the die hard fans are dying.
Still better than Anderpants last year so that’s something…I guess
Sadly, we’re on par with that season. 1 fcs home win and a close loss at home vs Stanford.
Yep. He’s more stable. That’s worth something.
The frustrating part for me is it doesn’t have to be like this. There’s another kicker on the roster. Just put him in the game. He can’t be worse. And if he is then go for it on 4th.
There are other questionable personnel decisions. That’s the one everyone agrees would make the team better, yet Smith won’t do it. With the proper players on the field we’d be 3-1. Everyone is like “hey we’re close just a few plays away”…well that doesn’t count, but what does count is actually having the right guys on the field to get to 3-1, and it’s not that hard to do.
Utah St is 3-1.
Was it really an Anderson problem?
I know he hitched his wagon to Luton. Which was his own damn fault. But some of the Anderson era failure lies squarely on Oregon St.
I’m also willing to bet Anderson is kicking himself for ever taking this job.
I don’t have too strong of an opinion one way or the other but sometimes guys are better at being assistants than the are at leading a program… sure hope Smith isn’t one of those.
Yes, it was mostly an Anderpants problem. His offensive mismanagement esp. regarding QBs was a fatal flaw. We’re seeing better play in Smith year 2 than Anderpants year 3, and the Pantsed One took the program over in a MUCH better place than Smith did.
Scotty,
Some of your arguments do have merit. I cannot or will not discredit them. Anderson has his own flaws. But he’d been successful in the past. What was the common denominator here?
Food fort thought. Here’s the list of OSU’s past 4 head coaching hires in the four major sports WW follow…..
Football – Jonathan Smith
Men’s Basketball – Wayne Tinkle
Women’s basketball – Scott Rueck
Baseball – Mitch Canham
Does any of those scream home run hire? Or does it say OSU is hiring coaches from lower conferences/divisions on the cheap and “hoping” it works out. Rueck so far is the only one that was a smash success.
It also raises a question with me. Did Canham only get the job because he was willing to take less $ than Yeskie?
Smith wasn’t the only one willing to take this job. Yes we struck out with Anderson. Why? If Anderson has been successful everywhere else?
More than one party needs to look in the mirror on that one.
I’ve stated Anderson quit because he realized he was never going to change the culture here. And OSU not investing in its football program is a big part of that culture.
There’s a poster here who has a perfect username. “Hopeful ain’t a plan”
Oregon St needs to start ponying up if they want to turn this around. I don’t like Canzano but he’s not wrong here. Nor is Anderson. It won’t matter who they fire and hire. Otherwise we’re staring down the barrel of 28 consecutive losing seasons again.
Short of Nick Saban walking through the door of the valley football center on the cheap, “Hopeful ain’t a plan”
Right now OSU has no plan, no vision and nothing to sell potential donors or recruits.
So what do we do about it?
Canham is a home run hire, guy was well on his way to being an MLB manager.
Fair point, but the money OSU is willing to spend and the relative performance of the people they can hire with that money are two separate issues. I think we can agree coaches here have an uphill battle given the lesser resources than the rest of the conference, though. Even so, WSU eventually got something rolling, and they’re right down there with us.
OSU needs to spend more money on football, but if I’m remembering correctly GA’s big issue at the time seemed to be with his assistants. He even commented to Canzano that he hired the wrong ones. What I always thought was interesting is the program was vastly improved in 2016 and then the wheels fell off again. As CEO of the program that falls on GA.
GA’s biggest problem was his own mind.
He’s safe from himself at Utah State because he has total control.
Does the long term future of the NCAA football game really warrant more money?
Or are there better places to invest?
Anderpants’ stated reason(s) and actual are quite different. He had a semantics problem, people can hardly understand the man, it’s so bad. Quarterbacks, being some of the most intelligent players on the team, had particular difficulty understanding the man who insists on sounding like he barely finished 5th grade. For example: Anderpants’ “toughness” is equivalent to Niners’ “effort.” Anderpants is a hack. His semantics problem miffed all P5 roster and recruit quarterbacks and the rest is history.
Hawaii buttfucking Nevada in Reno. 54-3 with 9 minutes left.
Other than the beavs this was a good day. Learned about beekeeping and ate antelope sausage for the first time. Anyone try this? It was incredible.
I hunt everything and I think antelope is the best eating 4 legged game animal in north America.
Jack…”Unless you are in Africa, you are not eating antelope. The Pronghorn is not an antelope. And speaking of Trump…….”
Incredible comment
I’ve heard it is fantastic. Never had it though. If you ever get a chance, try bear made into pepperoni or breakfast sausage. That’s right up there on my favorite foods. Makes the store bought stuff taste like garbage, like you won’t want to ever eat it again. I have a local butcher/ meat processing place make mine (if I get a bear).
How does stack up against a carrot?
Carrots are in a class all by themselves, my friend.
Bear pepperoni is legit
I’ve always been curious about bear but it’s hard to find and has that reputation for trichinosis.
I got the antelope from the local butcher.
They had rattlesnake/elk sausage. Any thoughts on that? Never had snake.
I’ve had crocodile before, too salty for me.
You salty enough being a beaver fan?
It’s all I how you take care of the meat and if you cook it correctly… Just like pork can get worms so can bear meat… people just need to be diligent about preparation and make sure to cook it to the right temp… What I’ve found is with sausage and Jerky, you can make any meat edible lol… I’ve had Emu Jerky and it was legit… sausage and jerky always have a bunch of spices and fillers, not really straight up meat… that being said a real cut of steak from an antelope, deer, or elk is excellent… as long as the person prepared it adequately… anybody who says they don’t like venison or elk hasn’t eaten a correctly butchered and cured animal… it can be a gamey, nasty tasting meal otherwise
Yeah I had Snow Goose jerky once and that was really good.
Even if you cook bear right, you’re still eating dead worms, right?
The reality of it is the potential is there. You just have to take care of the bear meat properly from harvest to your belly. A lot of wild animals that we eat have potential for worms/trichenosis/salmonella or Lord knows what. I always make sure my wild game is cooked all the way.
Morning after. Tough weekend with the recruiting thing and losing a winnable game. I read the clownzano article for the first time in a long time. I did not realize we were last in the Pac 12 in football spending. Maybe something to it, otherwise everyone would be Boise state or Air Force.
We are better than last year and the defense has improved from horrible to just bad. Our defensive backfield seems to be the worst aspect of the D.
Smith inherited a mess and it will take some time to fix it. I hope smith is the guy that can do it. It would probably help to spend more $ on the program.
Smith running Choke Air out for a 50 yard FG attempt is akin to a dumbass repeatedly burning his finger by touching a glowing hot piece of metal to check if it is still hot. That is a troubling lack of judgment by the leader of the program.
Maybe he was making them in practice this week. I don’t know.
Perhaps, but he always misses in games. Smith put him in a position to fail. Go for the first down.
I know our softball media would never do it, but it would be interesting to ask Smith why he thought (in crappy conditions) why Choukair would make the first 50 yards plus FG in his career at that particular time? That’s my problem with it, the sample size is there, 0-6. Either find a kicker with a bigger leg or get that type of attempt off the table once and for all.
I think they said his career longest is 49. That would be a great question and I would like to know
Was the blocked one a low kick or just bad blocking by the line? Couldn’t tell in the stadium
Missed blocking assignment.
Thanks. Special teams were not so special.
Special teams and the offense laying a goose egg in the first half. Overall I thought the defense played quite well considering what we seen from them the last 2 years.
Defense did not play “well”. Look at 3rd down conversions. Giving up a 40+ yard run on 4th and inches in inexcusable.
I’d grade them a “C” at best.
WSN, still a passing grade and better than the D’s-F’s we’ve seen the last 4-6 years.
On the blocked FG, does anyone know….did Choke kick it too low or was it poor blocking? Choke deserves blame when it’s warranted, but if blocks were missed that should be called out too. I have not seen a replay yet.
Thanks, looks like we were asking at about the same time.
Stanford guy was unblocked….had a free run on the right side during the block. What kills me is you can tell there is not enough Beavs on that side of the line. Stanford had two against one on that side. Coaches should have recognized it and should have been a timeout.
This game is squarely on the special teams. Beavs should have gone into half time with at least one score.
They should add “team’s A game” to the list of banned items in Reser.
Or just ban Ed Ray since he’s the only one clueless enough to say that.
A guy on Twitter said Choker is 0-8 from beyond 50 not 0-6 as being quoted here. Not sure who is right, but Smith looks even worse if it’s 0-8.
You may want to go with 0-8. I think the 0-6 came from a stat that was shown during the game. As you know, the P-12 Network is renowned for its detailed research.
ESPN has him 0-7 but I’m not sure if that counts last night’s FG attempt.
On the radio broadcast, when Choker was trotted out for that 50-yard attempt (right before the half?), they mentioned watching him in warmups attempting 50 yarders and not having the distance….
That was such a poor coaching choice.
Beaver fans on social media saying Luton had a great game yesterday are making me sick. Following this team is bad for my health.
300+ yards, 1 TD and no INTs, so you know, great game!
https://twitter.com/tclute234/status/1178316964986384384?s=19
I chimed in. Stat monkeys have the edge, though.
Stats are for losers, confirmed
“I wasn’t happy about it, but I wasn’t surprised,” Shaw said. “We kept them in front of us through most of the game, but they started hitting some deep crosses. I can’t say enough about their quarterback. He made some great throws tonight.”
Smith’s presser if you haven’t seen it. I do like that he stresses details, but he has to look in the mirror.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvuC4RHZUo
Not being mentioned much is we gave up 250 yards and and 3TDs to a backup QB in his first start.
Made that guy look all world. I think if Costello played we’d have won…luck o’ da………
Second start. USC. High 4*
Saw the QBR stat for Stanford’s QB vs Luton head to head last night was 91 vs 71, in favor of Stanford’s guy.
Stat gives different weights to different plays based on situation, expected outcome and actual outcome. It’s designed to not give too much credit for a guy throwing a 90 yard bomb as time expires in a blowout and penalizes players for losing yards in key situations(such as taking a sack to push your team out of field goal range)
90 and up is considered “good”
I think that means 71 is considered “not so good”
And that better matches what we see. At least some of us.
Stars matter. I want to find hope. Its not like I can bail and ever have a team I love like the Beavs. Thought D had some big plays which never happened last year. Still think Gebbia and a new kicker should have happened. I saw D moved Speights into first rotation. Riley Sharp can play. Secondary still bad. Some great plays off the under center.
Ed Ray needs to be kicked the fuck out of the University. Special teams are poor again. We held Standford to many less then 2 yard runs which is new. Two missed sacks equated to 7 points and 4. Sloppy play.
Ucla, az, asu, Cal , wsu games we should be in. Utah multi score loss, UW and Oregon done by 10min into the second quarter. Pierce is an absolute stud.
Qbr is on a 0-100 scale with 50 being average
Smith sure deflected on the Williams question (like we knew he would). He understands the details, but can he get his players to execute enough to win close games. The hard follow up question that was not asked by the media is “why can’t they execute”?
An interesting addendum…Hodgins is quoted in Oregon Live as saying the team had several “lethargic” practices last week.
Wasn’t Stanford’s backup pretty highly rated out of HS? And he won? I wonder what Gebbia could do? Heard he was rated high….
Who ever Jacob Hedberg is he sucks ;). Nice picks this week dude. I’m not sure he can be caught at this point. It’s a race for second place now.
Football player for west linn. He’s been consistently good. 11 for 12 is pretty damn impressive
Lol, we’re getting worked by a high school kid? My god I better start taking this seriously.
I don’t enjoy picking against the spread, and my other pickem leagues I’ve gotta pick like 30 games a week so I haven’t been putting much effort into it.
Hope I can hold on
https://youtu.be/v89IXC4gHuE Leach postgame presser
Saw the headlines this morning. I wonder what he would say if he was coaching here?
Frosty the Cornman sets another record. Largest home loss for Gameday.
https://twitter.com/redditcfb/status/1178164651810537473?s=21
Could be worse, could be a lot worse….
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2019/09/29/rutgers-fired-chris-ash-head-football-coach-sunday/3813676002/
I grew up around there. It’s a shit hole.
And there is zero support for college football in NJ. Zero. If anyone does watch it they watch Penn State.
In my view we would have won this game if we had used Gebbia. True, Luton is a good passer and played hard, and he had spurts of really good play, mostly in the second half. Having said that, there were several times that he had opportunities to run the ball for first downs, or even a touchdown or two (particularly when he missed our wide open receiver in the end zone with an open field in front of him). He is not able to sustain the level of play required for a full 60 minutes. Overall, he is a big liability to our future success.
At this point there is no more question, we have to prepare for the rest of the season, and next year. Playing Jake is a waste of time. Clearly we won’t be going to a bowl. Who cares if we win one more game, of two or three. The season is most likely lost. We have a four star QB who set several California passing records, and a guy who has shown that he run if needed. What the hell are we waiting for. Get the kid in there and start giving him some experience.
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^^What he said^^
Only reason we are playing Luton the rest of the season is to showcase how long Hodgins arms are.
I just shot beer out of my nose reading this. Lol
Can gebbia kick?
No, but he might make it so you don’t have to.
Any highlights of Pierce’s run handy? I liked hearing him deliver (again) on his opportunities. I think the guy is going to make an NFL roster.
https://twitter.com/BeaverFBNews/status/1178125518157148160?s=19
This season was lost as soon as Luton got his 6th year form the NCAA. It put Smith in a bind to go with the senior(again) or his unproven 4* qb transfer. As a 2nd year coach with a lot of things to deal with, Smith hasn’t shown the capability of making that decision and going with the ‘kid’.
I wish Gebbia had been named the starter from spring ball onward and given the team time to get used to the idea, and mentally prepare to rally behind the future qb. They’ve all seen the skill of Luton…I wonder if he is a qb version of Bolden- great practice player but unreliable in game pressure.
Beavs should be 3-1 in spite of themselves and are sitting at 1-3. Luton is a limited qb and not a true leader with no “IT” factor at all. He is a blow-out stat stuffer who cannot win under duress.
Give Gebbia 8 games and he wins 2-3 of them. Had they given him 12, I think he wins 6 . Luton may win 2 out of 12.
It is of course a team game, but this has been seen for 3 years and he is not better than when he arrived.
Yep! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I didn’t realize Luton played on special teams and leaped over the line of scrimmage and landed on a defender to draw a 15 yard penalty with 9:44 left in the 4th quarter?
That play cost us the game. Luton actually did a good job in the second half on Saturday. We don’t get that penalty, we’d be down 24-14. We score the TD to answer, it’s now 24-21. We get them to go 3 and out, then score a TD on our next drive, we go up 24-28. This forces Stanford to have to get a touchdown, and not set up for a field goal. Since that didn’t happen, we used both our remaining timeouts when Stanford had none remaining. We go into cover 3 and only rush 3 down lineman to try to get a pass rush, we essentially play prevent zone. This also cost us the game. We can’t get shut out in a half and expect to win a game either. The beavs out gained, got more first downs, still haven’t turned the ball over via INT. I would say Luton is not the problem. It’s that this team cannot put a complete game together. Also, Luton got sacked 2 times in a row to push us out of manageable field goal range, so if anything, that would be the only series I could see Luton being an issue, but generally sacks are on the offensive line and RB’s for not picking up blitzes.
The first half was far too predictable in play calling; as the announcers pointed out with the Pistol look being a hand off every single time. The screen game is effective because it’s not overused like it was with Riley’s offense.
Luton over threw a wide open kolby taylor in the end zone that ended in a miss from Choker. He as also held on to those sacks when he had time to throw them away, instead he goes backwards and loses 10+ yards. I’ll give him a small pass on that as Choker couldn’t hit that field goal anyway.
truth is, even in your scenario, Stanford wins 31-28 because they score a touchdown at the end rather than kicking a field goal. Starting at the 50 with 1:45 left to play, easily accomplished. After the scramble for the first down Stanford was trying to run the clock down for the FG. If they needed at TD they would have gotten it. Different plot line, same ending.
Nvm
Why didn’t anybody tell me Indiana has a starting QB with the last name “Penix”?
Commentary during Indiana games must be fantastic.
“Penix is all over the field today”
“Penix is a dual threat”
“Penix, hands-off”
“Penix, under center”
“Penix to the tight end”
Those 4-7 seasons I put up are looking pretty damn good right now. You’re all welcome.
A Monday morning chuckle lol
I would be even more funny if was not true.
Has Jefferson played more than 4 games this year? He was out vs Cal Poly but I thought I saw him for a couple of snaps vs Stanford. If he’s going to be dinged up and ineffective for most of the season wouldn’t it make more sense to start thinking redshirt?
Also, I think maybe Daschel from o-live is peeking over our shoulder. He’s got an article up questioning Luton and Choker. Not the usual golly gee what a great moral victory stuff.
Good point. No sense counting games if he is only getting in for a couple reps. And we have more than enough bodies at the RB position to cover for him. No sense in rushing him back from his injury just so he can re-aggravate it
wouldn’t mind JS and company trying to go after this QB transferring from Baylor:
https://247sports.com/Player/Peyton-Powell-46055198/