First off, good win. Anyone complaining needs to stop. UCLA at the Rose Bowl with Chip Kelly at the helm and a boatload of 4-star recruits is a good win. Period.
Moving on…it’s only mildly surprising the Beavs won last night. Beavs had the advantage in scoring offense, scoring defense, total offense and total defense. UCLA had the 129th ranked pass D out of 130. Take Luton’s performance with a grain of salt for these reasons. All that said, I took the Beavs +6.5 in the CBS pool and thought they had a shot (also thought they had a shot vs Stanford, a game they should have won). The bottom line is the PAC is in a down year, and the Beavs have a good offense, so they should be in games if their coaching staff doesn’t get in the way.
Smith has cost the Beavs two games this year with poor coaching/personnel/game management. Luton cost the team a win as well by missing Taylor wide open in the endzone. We should have at least one more win, probably two. But when you go with a JC QB that nobody wanted and a coach on the cheap, this is what you get.
The good news is Smith showed some progress last game only making 3 or 4 key coaching errors, in comparison to 6 the week prior. He’s well off the hot seat now (probably drops into the 40s). The bad news is the errors in those former games (and Nevada last year) has cost the Beavs three wins over two years. Other good news is the Beavs D is morphing into a bend-don’t-break D and the team played a complete game and didn’t fade. The Beavs confidence is rising, and they have become a little bit interesting again.
Utah is a better all around team and they have a better coach. They should win the game. But confidence and momentum are funny things, and the Beavs could ride that wave a bit further if Smith and Luton don’t get in the way. I’m going to bet on one of the two getting in the way.
Utah 27, Oregon State 24
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We seem to be improving.
Utah 34-24
Utah will be interesting —
The GOOD: Defense is top-3 in INTs with three and have only one fumble recovery. They are top in the league in first downs, UCLA 2nd, Beavs 3rd.
The BAD: They are average in every other category. Their avg score per game is….you guessed it….31 points!!! Against three FBS teams, all have scored 31 against the Beavs.
The UGLY: they lead the league in penalty yards per game.
It is a home game so a lot rests on the offense, again. Hodgins can’t bail out Luton on some bad throws, leads to a couple picks and the game.
Utah 34
Beavs 27
So happy for Mr. Jake Luton. I have urged all season that Gebbia be the starter, but after this game and seeing what Jake is capable of, I have gained new, and high respect for him. I still feel that Gebbia should take the reigns and lead us into the future. However, if Jake finishes out the season and continues to perform at this current level of play then I will respect the coach’s decision and back him 100%.
Just an overall impressive team win with creative play calling at critical times: the on-side drop kick, Tijon Lindsey’s TD, Luton’s TD run, among others. For sure a tip of the hat to Isaiah Hodgins. Go Beavs!
I was glad to see Kolby Taylor out there making some plays.
Another td bounced off his hands though.
Here’s JS on the TD toss to Lindsey from the heavy set on third and 2 from the Beavs 47:
““Sometimes when you get a guy wide open that’s not always the easiest throw and Jake put a great ball on him and Tyjon scored,” Smith said. “To be honest with you we were going to go for it on fourth down and so that was something to take a shot.”
https://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-beavers-never-let-up-after-big-lead-in/article_90d3e34d-0265-5de6-8880-ccf88ee9a89e.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
Was nice to see a Beaver POW of the week (Luton, multiple awards for the recognition) instead of another opposing player being POW against the Beavers D as they were last year week in and week out.
As Hodgins been POW yet?
Great overall win that has the chance to springboard this team the rest of the way.. We were about 2k deep in the Rose Bowl which was pretty impressive given where the program is at. A few take aways from sitting 5 rows behind the bench.One thing I thought was cool was Jermar’s family was really pumped and cheering loud for Ap the whole game. Also coach Leggi is a beast he was keeping the entire d engaged all game. Whitley is still really out of shape. He asked out of the game about 5 different times and as soon as he came out would just fall into the bench almost gasping for air. He effects the game a lot when he is in though even tho it doesn’t always show statistically. Hopefully the guy can get in shape and become even more of a monster.
Good stuff, thanks for the report!
Hodgins is the man
Per The Local Paper that Shalt Not Be Named, Kee Whetzel has left the Oregon State football program.
Good riddance since he was a wasted scholarship.
Like it or not he’s soft and avoided contact.
But he was first team AA on the unusual name team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss
He was originally a linebacker? Not sure how being that skinny. I guess his new position was safety, but he couldn’t make the depth chart. It doesn’t sound like a huge loss at this point.
Glimmers of improvement; a good win.
I understand people are focused on coaching decisions/mistakes as they impact W/L; I’m a little more willing to allow for growing pains as HC.
I will be more hopeful/have more confidence when they start to display consistently good play.
Utah will be a great measuring stick for the rest of the year.
A close loss (under 14 pts) should result in 2-3 more wins this season. A win should get 3-4 wins. A blowout loss 1-2 wins.
Utah is coming off a bye, getting their star rb back, and has a true dual threat QB who’s completion rate is nearly 75%. Basically going to be playing ok st but with a better rb and qb.
USC beat Utah by not giving up TDs. Utah kicked 4 fgs and made 3 in that game.
A lot will need to go right to make this a game.
1. Missed tackles will be the key stat. If the defense can wrap up and limit yards after contact, it will be huge.
2. Offense will have to spread the ball around more. Vs good defenses, dinking and dunking down the field works. Esp when defense is geared up to stop the run.
3. Kicking game – will have to make kicks. Any misses will be huge.
4. While the Beavs don’t have to play mistake free football, they can’t have those costly defensive penalties like vs Stanford.
5. Pac 12 loves to eat itself, so maybe the football gods will like the Beavs on sat.
The team responded very well after Stanford and slammed the door shut on UCLA instead of holding on.
While this game has all the makings of another ok st game, it should be closer as the Beavs are much more confident and mentally much tougher. Could be program defining with a win.
Lindsey evolving as a legit #2 is big for point #2.
If Luton would look around the field more and learn how to throw to RBs (touch) he could actually be decent.
I say no FG attempts beyond 35 yards the rest of the year.
Would be nice to have all 3 of Hodgins, Lindsey and Bradford on the field together. Lots of matchup problems created by that group. Anybody hearing if Bradford will ever play this season?
The last I heard about Bradford was he’d be back by week 4 or so. He wasn’t, and it’s been all quiet. I’m not sure if he has a redshirt available, but if he does he should use it. That injury didn’t seem super serious at the time so I wonder if he keeps trying to rush back and tweaking it.
He could still technically redshirt with only 4 games played. Seems like a likely scenario even if he gets back to full availability this week
I was just saying this to some friends on Saturday night. Choker is ‘decent’ from 35 and in. All 4th downs must be played to avoid him shanking it as usual
I think his career FG % inside 35 yards is like 90%.
Not sure exactly but it’s high.
83% inside the 40
I’m not sure Lindsey is a #2. Only 3 catches in the last 3 games. 4-5 catches for 60-80 yards vs Utah would show he can be a threat.
Well he missed some time and Luton throws ~90% of the time to Hodgins.
I think he could be a great #2 if we had a QB who went through progressions.
Utes 31, Beavs 20. Choker misses 2 more FGs and an extra point. Luton throws first pick of season. Utah runs for 250 yards and shuts down our run game. Hope I’m wrong… again. Go beavs
Lots of key visitors coming this weekend. Some are even unofficial visitors who have already taken an official visit here and are paying their own way to come back again. That’s a pretty good sign for OSU.
Will update the visitor list again tonight after i get more confirmations
Utah usually has a good-not-great squad. This one seems to have been highly ranked coming into the season based partially on who they had returning and partially on the weakness of the P12 and the pollster need to have a few P12 teams in the top 20.
Their record is good, but they haven’t really been tested by anyone other than USC. Their opponents are a combined 11-14 and their best win is over a Washington State team with no high quality wins of their own.
On paper, their offense looks like Oklahoma State light. Dominant run game with a decent passing game and a mobile QB. Their defense should be better than OkSU’s and they almost completely shut down WSU, which tells me we’ll have a hard time scoring if we depend too heavily on Luton-Hodgins.
Would this be a program-defining win? Yes. Is there any reason to think we can win? I don’t think so. This is a higher caliber team than UCLA, even if we have noticeably improved. We did play Stanford close and I expect a similar kind of game this time around where we hang tough, but just don’t make enough game-changing plays to get the W.
31-21 Utah
I stopped reading at “mobile QB”.
When do they update those coach hot seat rankings? They still have Chip 5th and Smith 19th. Those can’t be accurate. Chip should be top 3 and Smith should drop into the 40s.
They usually do an update on Tuesday.
BTD is getting on your nuts again, angry lmao
“I’d like to believe that Luton’s career day would put the quarterback controversy to rest, but there’s always somebody who’s got to be angry.” (angry is italicized.)
#beaverblogdrama
What a dork.
Luton is what he is and he won’t be displaced because he has the stat monkeys backing him. I understand that reality and accept it, but it’s still the wrong choice.
I would hope that fan and media perspective on stats or otherwise would have zero impact on the coaching staffs personnel decisions. I’m sure there are a many multitude of factors that lead them to stick it out with Luton, at least 70% or so of which aren’t observable to us fans on the outside looking in.
That being said, as a fan I can only judge what I get to see on game-day which is why I’ve been so frustrated by Luton and the defense and advocating for developing Gebbia. Smith/Lindgren are pretty nerdy dudes, so I imagine stats/analytics play a big role in their decision making, but probably not the sole determining factor.
I want to see Luton be successful, and I’m happy to see him have some good games and show improvement, but his career-long warts just drive me bonkers to watch as a fan. Even though the team won and he put up great numbers, those warts were still very much there, they just went unpunished by a bad team. So taking that game as a “everything is fine” moment is pretty nonsensical, but also what I would expect out of typical beaver fans.
Bingo.
Luton is living right for sure. How many times do you see a WR smart enough to take a certain interception and punch it out of a DB’s hands in the nick of time? An int there would have been a momentum killer. It was a poor ball and a bad decision.
Luton’s gotten away with more INTs than any QB I can remember.
Versus CSU and CU he threw at least 5 dropped INTs in just those two games.
But that’s why the stat monkeys will keep winning the debate. You’re not going to convince someone of 10 interceptions that should be there when they’re not there. He’s just lucky. Maybe it’s karma for breaking his neck.
I have no idea if Gebbia would be better given the small sample size. Luton is benefitting from the offense having a nice balance and the defense being just good enough not to lose control of games this year. I look at Luton as a bit of game manager, not a gunslinger like many want to call him, but I don’t think any of the teams he’s faced could be called great defenses. Gebbia is going to get his time if he is truly good enough.
Lindgren has also said accuracy is the most important thing for him when choosing a QB…and here we are.
It’s entirely possible there are things about Gebbia we’re not seeing in practice that the coaches are.
No clue, but they said Gebbia came on strong and made the decision tough. That could be coach speak, but if you take it at face value…
Also, Alabama and Nebraska wanted Gebbia. Andersen and Andersen alone wanted Luton.
Teams just need to adopt the Hawaii game plan and rush him all over the place from different angles. Utah should be smart enough and athletic enough to cause problems for his timing and protection. Critics will say he can run the ball because he scored a rushing touchdown, hahahaha.
I would like to hear the full story on David Morris given the mediocre secondary play this season. Tibesar made what I interpreted as a dismissive comment a couple of weeks ago regarding Morris, something like if he can’t practice consistently I can’t play him. Special teams can be fraught with injuries yet Morris is out there. They cannot trot Onu-HIcks out there against the better P-12 teams upcoming.
Yoko is the worst tackler I’ve seen since Pankey. He even does the fly in and jump on the already tackled guy for the “assist” shit that Pankey did.
Seeing Luton get trashed the day after he is named national player of the week is so on point for this website.
Jake had a helluva game but UCLA is really bad right now. It’s important to remember that Jake’s performance in the UCLA game doesn’t negate Hawaii or Stanford nor does it guarantee success vs. Utah. Consistency is still his biggest hurdle.
Women’s team picked third in preseason poll. Basically the same stuff from last year. They’ll go as far as their bigs will take them.
Guard play is rock solid and deep. Rueck essentially has 2 starting back courts. Teams with short depth will be roughed up.
More depth in the front court now. Haven’t heard much about how the new frosh look but they should at least be on par with grymek.
I think people are over critical of the guy. We seem to expect him to play like a top 10 draft qb or atleast a passable nfl qb. If he keeps a 2-1 td to int ratio with 200+ yards a game then I don’t really care what people are saying. It feels like all the love aeth Collins got even though he could barely throw 30 yards and couldn’t anticipate a route for his life.
I was excited when he got a 6th year because he’d make a terrific backup.
As things stand, he’s blocking the future from valuable experience and probably isn’t as good as that player. I think that’s why there’s animosity. Plus he can’t throw to RBs or go through a progression.
Is what it is though, and until the stats normalize the stat monkeys win the debate.
I think people here are properly critical. I mean, how many games has he won as a starter? Which is not to say anything but that I hope he continues to improve and win some games since it’s now clear Gebbia won’t play much this season. Nor do I recall Seth getting a lot of love on this site. In fact, the only QB’s to qualify in that regard in the 10 years or so that I’ve been following this site are Canfield and McMaryon.
Luton had a great game and is a good QB. I personally have no huge issue with him being the starter.
That said, UCLA is like how we were last year: Opponents would get player of the week honors against us regularly. It wasn’t them, it was us. In this case, more is probably UCLA’s non-existent pass defense than Luton.
It was Hodgins more than anything – dude was unreal last weekend. Luton just had to show up with a functional arm.
What defines success for Luton against Utah?
Seriously, 2TDs, no INTs?
3TDs, 1 INT?
The above w/ better consistency on screen passes and keep the chains moving type plays? No sacks, or 10+ yard losses?
Don’t break neck or back?
Definitely think he will have at least 1 int against this defense, so he needs to have at least 3 TDs, and get better on shorter passes and screens to alleviate pass rush. Should be a good game if he can rally the team to scores in each quarter, rather than inconsistent bunches — to keep D rested, so forth.
Would be nice if Lindgren would call, and Luton complete a few screen passes. Seems like the Utah D would be susceptible as they will try to spend time in the Beavs backfield.
BTW, did anyone else hear JS say something to the effect that some interceptions are not necessarily a bad thing? I’m certain he said that a week or so ago on radio. I took it to mean he expected to be aggressive enough in the passing game that some chances would need to be taken. Anyone?
His stat line isn’t the determining factor for the team’s success.
Utah is tough on D, possibly the best they’ll see all season.
Is he able to digest the more complicated looks and blitz packages their gonna show and can he make the appropriate pre and post snap reads and check downs?
Can he process the game quickly enough in the pocket to keep up with an elite defense without locking on to one receiver, taking unnecessary sacks, or forcing errant throws?
Can he eliminate his atrocious mechanical breakdowns and be accurate in routine down-and-distance situations without killing drives? (2nd and 7, 3rd and 5)
Can he be accurate to open receivers on intermediate routes on 3rd and 10+?
Those are all areas in which he’ll need to perform well for the team to have a chance against Utah, and all areas he has struggled with in all of their losses.
He could go 22/35 with 300yd/4tds/0ints but still cost them the game by not performing well in those areas.
He could go 12/30 with 150yd/0td/2ints and they could win by 2 touchdowns so long as he does those things well.
A well crafted compliment to AP without even mentioning his name. Spot on.
To me it’s simple… if the D can keep us in game, then I’ll judge Jake on wins and losses. Against UCLA, second half and UCLA getting back in game, 3rd and 2, Luton rushed his pass and missed wide open receiver for 1st down. Could have been difference in game. Those little things will matter against Utah.
What u think of his pass on 4th and 6 in the fourth quarter? Was that a choke?
That was a big time play. He definitely made plays and was a key part of the win. Similar to Colorado last year. Problem is consistency. He’s definitely capable but more often than not, he makes too many critical mistakes. See scoreless half’s vs UH and Stanford. That said, I trust JS is playing the right guy at this point. Folks like to give Angry crap for holding to his opinion about Jake but if I had to bet on how this ends, my money’s on Jake imploding sooner or later and Angry looking pretty sound in hindsight… because I just don’t trust Jake to win consistently when the opportunity presents itself.
Hope I’m wrong. Would love to see Jake stay hot and lead us to a bowl game… something a good QB should be able to do with this O line and play makers on offense.
What you’re describing is a good backup.
Guy who can make plays but not consistently vs good teams. Unless that changes the rest of this season it just is who he is. He has a cap. People want me to say I’m wrong because he beat up on Cal Poly and the 129th ranked defense. Let’s see how he does the rest of the season. If something has changed I’ll note it, but I’m not seeing those changes despite his stats. I still see locking in on one receiver, no touch, no check downs, missing easy passes, not hitting receivers in stride, no game winning drives, “it factor”/leadership questionable, etc.
Hodgins is making him look good. If someone wants to argue he’s getting the ball in the area of Hodgins, yeah, he is. It’s in the general area.
Perhaps counterintutively, his best play was making sure to hit the wide open received on 3rd & short. I;ve seen a lot of guys miss that throw, including Luton more than once.
Winning cures all ailments of course….he could go 2 TDSs w/ 2INTs and a fumble. If the team still wins after that, it means JS/Lindgren successfully managed Luton’s shortfalls for the game and somehow the D and SP teams made up for them.
If he leads the team on a 2 min drill for the win, his mistakes won’t hurt as bad, and would be a step in the right direction IMHO. Maybe at least he would show that Colorado was no fluke…..? Maybe?
in order of priority: (1) a win by OSU; (2) moving the chains consistently to give our D a breather; (3) scores on every entry into the red zone; (4) no turnovers.
Eggers tweets that, along with Luton being named PAC12 Offensive POW, Daniel Rodriguez was named SpTm POW. DRod has made very few mistakes this year.
He also tweets, “‘@BeaverFootball ranks second in the Pac-12 behind Washington State with a 37.0-point scoring average. Beavers are on pace to set school record for points per game. Current mark is 34.8 held by 2013 team.”
Finally, he reports, “Luton, 23, displayed his authority during the players’ pregame meal Saturday morning.
“It was getting kind of loud, and he stood up and yelled, ‘Hey, everyone lock in!'” Hodgins said. “He’s a leader, man. A lot of guys who have the athletic skills might not have his form of leadership. He definitely has that in him. He is taking control of things on practice, off days — whatever it is, he’s making sure he’s preparing to lead us to victory.”
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/440251-353147-luton-led-beavers-put-it-all-together
“Hey, everyone lock in [on Hodgins].”
Hahaha.
I like that story, OOB
Complete respect for people who said they wanted Gebbia over Luton. But not being willing to say Luton is playing well when he actually is? Yeah that actually takes some maturity and balls to say that. Instead some people make up their mind and will never say otherwise.
I still maintain he should have been pulled and replaced in the second half at Hawaii.
His “career defining” games have come against Cal Poly and UCLA, the latter with an epically bad defense. Those were both perfect games to develop the QB of the future. And Luton’s gotten lucky in INT’s.
Luton has good stats, but replace him and Togiai At Hawaii with Gebbia and Musgrave, Give Pierce 20 2nd half carries, and I bet OSU is 4-1, with a REAL shot at a low level bowl game. Maybe Gebbia doesn’t have the same stats (he’s not in his 6th year after all), but I think the stat that matters mist improves.
And OSU is better see next season.
“10” not “20”
15 !
13, final offer!
Completely agree with pierce. I think that’s really been my only grip with the coaching staff was not getting pierce in more against Hawaii, that may have made a huge difference. But it’s not fair to say “if Gebbia plays we win that game”. Shoot what if he played and we actually lose by two touchdowns? Who knows? That is just as likely possibility too
His stats would suck if he didn’t have Hodgins, truth.
That alone isn’t that damning a criticism. We had some really good offensive seasons where the offense basically relied on one receiver (Newson, Hass, Cooks).
concur. In the same way Cooks boosted Mannion’s stats.
So far we have OSU coaches, OSU players, opposing coaches, opposing players, broadcasters, national award groups, all saying Luton is playing very well. I think I’m going to take that over one person who picks his opinion and won’t be willing to change no matter what
Fake news.
Alright then, please provide me with anyone of the above who say he is not playing well?
And nothing is wrong with the trump administration…..just ask trump.
I assume you’re talking about me?
I’ll change my opinion when he can check down to RBs, go through a progression, and lead game winning drives. You know, things good QBs do. Forcing the ball to an NFL WR does not make a good QB. Nor does beating up on the 129th ranked (out of 130 teams) UCLA pass defense.
I don’t care if national writers think that’s what makes a good QB. They are clueless and get everything wrong. I do care if coaches think that makes a good QB because it sets the program back.
I’ve said all along Luton will have good games that confuse people, and it would keep the argument going that maybe he’s the one. That’s what we have going on.
It’s called hedging bets. He’s done better than you predicted. And there is the forever love some fans have for the backup quarterback who has never played a full D1 game. I think Gebbia is good, and I don’t think he would be playing as well as Luton now. Neither dose anyone who actually watches practice. So we have facts vs speculation. Yet you will fight to the bitter end to protect your opinion. Luton is far from perfect, but he’s done as good as any quarterback in the pac 12
Actually he’s done exactly what I predicted except for the lack of INTs.
He’s beaten up on bad teams and put up enough numbers to confuse people.
Gebbia is the better QB. I saw it in his few minutes of time. Moving in the pocket, going through progressions, dumping the ball to the RBs, etc. According to the coaches he was almost as good as Luton coming out of camp and experience is why Luton got the nod. So if you’re going to believe the coaches and hitch your wagon to the appeal to authority fallacy, you have to believe them on that, too.
Also if Gebbia as a sophomore is almost as good as Luton as a 6th year senior and your team is rebuilding, then you go with Gebbia.
There’s really no rational argument against any of this. Just emotions and confusion over stats.
I know Luton will remain the QB, though, and accept that error and know why they’re committing it. It’s a big negative on the coaching staff, so if I feel like noting it I can because it’s my website.
You have to take the best chance to win now. That is what the beavers need and that’s exactly what the coaches are doing. Win as many games as you can to get the ball rolling for this program. That is extremely rational. Saying another guy is better because you watched him play for two minutes actually don’t very rational at all. There are facts with Luton and possibilities with Gebbia. You have been enamored by the possibilities. I think it is the rational call to stick with facts and get wins now. Give Gebbia more time to continue to grow and he’ll be great quick next year. Sounds like a very rational plan. But you would never say so. Which is why I will gladly and repeatedly call out your ridiculousness
Hes played 1 60 minute game in his whole career at OSU. I’ll say hes the best option when he does it 6 more times. Or when he can complete a pass while scrambling outside the pocket. hell if he can hit a reciever in the hands while scrambling outside the pocket.
Gebbia doesnt grow by standing on the sidelines hand gesturing in plays to luton.
What ridiculous is playing a lackluster 6th year senior who’s only success is have an elite receiver like hodgins who can damn near catch anything thrown at him.
Alum, you can have your opinion. It’s fine.
The Luton fans are winning.
They’re just wrong.
Luton has done as good as about any qb in the pac 12. Yes he has weaknesses. So does Gebbia. But you have to play to win now. I think arguments for Gebbia are reasonable. The issue I have is some people here have decided to turn a complete blind eye because they have chose Gebbia and are basically all out anti-Luton until Gebbia plays.
Who’s turned a blind eye?
Luton had a good game throwing to an NFL receiver vs the 2nd worst D in the nation. How is that blind? That’s clarity and reality.
It is win now game not lets play the young kids and hope they get better. Back up QB is always most popular. And passing it to the most NFL guy is probably smart.
I enjoy the website but Angry makes Trump look low in the self esteem department.
Go back to threads in August and tell me I’m anti-luton. I was all for luton playing this year after ever “journalist” covering OSU football said luton was vastly improved over last season. After the Oklahoma state game it became abundantly clear that is not the case, he may look better # wise but wait til he plays a mid to upper level defense that actually has some DBs that aren’t trash.
He was played quite well in every game. I think Hawaii was mediocre. He has an impressive 14 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, and 1300 yds. If Gebbia played this way I would be thrilled and honest about it. I would expect at least a few, “wow Luton has actually done pretty well”.. It just can’t happen.
Gebbia should be playing more snaps, particularly in the red zone. Luton doesn’t have the touch on his passes needed for HB wheel routes, or the legs to be considered a consistent running threat.
Hawaii and Stanford have average defenses. Hawaii was a genuinely bad game for Luton (49% CP, 5 YPA). We lost both games 31-28. Luton played decently against Stanford, despite the pressure, which I think shows marginal improvement on his part.
Utah is the first good defense he’ll face, so it will be a good measuring stick game for him. Surprisingly, Utah doesn’t have a ton of sacks this year and has had fewer than we do (9 vs. 12), but they have 7 INT’s. This feels like the game Luton’s pick-free streak ends.
“Gebbia should be playing more snaps, particularly in the red zone. Luton doesn’t have the touch on his passes needed for HB wheel routes, or the legs to be considered a consistent running threat.”
The Crazy Leg role. That seems like a reasonable way to get that kid some snaps, keep him motivated and groom him to take over next year, or this year if Luton gets injured.
Real question: If Luton somehow stays un-injured, does that mean Gebbia gets to redshirt? Maybe that’s the game the coaches are going for. Sure Hodgins is a stud and will likely leave….
But if Gebbia stays healthy, gets another year of development and weight room time, all the other facets of the offense get another year…might be a decent 2020.
He redshirted at Nebraska.
>Also if Gebbia as a sophomore is almost as good as Luton as a 6th year senior and your team is rebuilding, then you go with Gebbia.
That’s some Gary Andersen logic right there. You say it yourself, he’s *almost* as good. Playing the 2nd best guy is a great way to lose the locker room, just like when Andersen repeatedly put in the 2nd or 3rd or 4th best QB for ‘reasons’ like ‘building for the future’.
I obviously think he’s better. I’m paraphrasing the coaches.
Glad we didn’t get Beau Baldwin after all. His offense has been stinking it up at Cal ever since he got there.
He didn’t bring his A game.
I must say, whoever made that video of Rashed Jr. thats posted in the Twitter feed, good job! Simple, short, and hyped. Perfect.
So what’s the chances on Hamilcar Rasheed Jr. coming back next year? He’s a redshirt junior, and graduated already. So he’s draft eligible and grad transfer eligible… I say 0%
Depends on what scouts think of him. If we really are improving and get a few more W’s this year AND his draft chances look marginal, I could see him coming back.
Super Loser mentality Afghan. He’ll be back.
Angry can say all year long about how Gebbia is better, and we won’t find out until there’s an injury or next year… then if it’s next year he’ll have more argument that we’ll Gebbia doesn’t have Hodgins to throw to, he doesn’t have the seniors on the O-line… angry is never wrong in his own mind. The dude bitched about what Pat Casey could do better for fucks sake.
And yet here you are…
How many times are you going to say that? As said before, I’m not here for anything you provide.
So just a stalker?
Luck O da Beavs….
Kat Tudor may take a redshirt year this season.
Noooo.
Found my preseason write up on Luton: http://angrybeavs.com/football/14467
From what I’m seeing this is spot on except I predicted more interceptions. Show me where the preseason writeup is so wrong I need to change my assessment.
Again, I don’t have anything against the guy as people are insinuating. He also hasn’t played better than I describe in that preseason writeup. He is what he is and we’re stuck with it. I fully realize he’s going to remain the QB due to stats.
Love ya, angry, but I just wish Tibesar’s unit was this defensive!
Not defensive. Trying to understand others’ broken logic.
I say he’s going to play a certain way. He plays that exact way. People say he’s played better than I said, and I should change opinion. That makes zero sense; he’s played exact to the write up. The only thing that’s better than I expected is he has fewer INTs (due to drops), and I already conceded that.
I remember reading that and thinking, that’s basically the most blah prediction ever. “Yeah Luton will probably have some good games and good stats but not be that good”. Okay…. That is just hedging like crazy in case Luton does pretty well which is exactly what he’s done. There have been just as many dropped passes. Look at Hawaii, Togia decides to catch one of those and beavers get on a roll. Those are drive killers. Luton made the throws and decisions at the end of UCLA to put the nail in the coffin. Just willing to call it as it is and not make excuses
You’re not willing to call it as it is. Calling it as it is is admitting he doesn’t go through progressions, has no touch, poor leadership, etc etc, yet he’ll have big games due to having a decent arm and NFL receivers.
There’s no hedge. That write up was a realistic view of what I expected, and it’s exactly what I’m seeing.
Was that a 5 game prediction of a season prediction, I forgot??! Luton could have 2 picks this weekend. Luton could also turn into the same passer that played the first half against Stanford and the second half against Hawaii. Many, many games left to see how he does. I wonder how different Beaver fans would be reacting if we lost to UCLA (which was predicted by Vegas).
I hope Luton and the team keep improving. If they don’t win another game I will be very disappointed but that is a real possibility. Need to have all three phases playing well in a game to get the win. That is hard to do especially against good teams.
How the mighty have fallen…
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/atq/d/los-angeles-selling-used-chip-kelly-not/6994698544.html
The 2009 Beaver bandwagon has been located in about ten feet of water just to the left of the boat ramp inAvery Park. Remember this vehicle has the ability to support up to 100,000 Beaver fans though out the state. Price of admission is purchasing two Beaver car pennants a tee shirt or a Beaver sweatshirt at Fred Meyer. $20.00 and your’e in!!
It looks like it has been there about five maybe six years, when fearless leader Mike Riley departed for non-greener pastures and Anderpants drove it into the river.
Anyone have a large truck and grappling hook? We could drag that bad boy out and have it all cleaned up and ready to go before the Utah game.
As expected, Smith moved into the 40s (from 19).
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm
Chip only moves to 4th. He should be top 3 if not #1.
I don’t understand why Sitake is 7th. BYU has had a brutal schedule with wins coming in some of those games.
They just lost to Toledo who is 4-1.
People are finally sick of his cool name. He was getting by on that for years.
After 44 games Sitake is exactly 22-22. Not exactly impressive. Lost to Utah all three seasons. BYU fan base is a bit delusional also, stuck back in the ’80s and the gifted “natty”.
Men’s picked 7th which is about right. A strong performance by the top 4 teams in the conference could mean a couple more bids.
Must wins include Iowa st, Oklahoma and Texas a&m. Win all three and the Beavs have an inside track to the tourney.
Otherwise, they’ll need to finish top 4 to get in with 11-12 conference wins.
At the beginning of the season I asked Angry what would make him concede that Luton was a good QB for the season. The deliverables Angry wanted: 270 yd/gm, 3/1 td/int, clutch 3rd down. At the halfway point, 260 yd/gm, 14/0 [3 td/gm], and the team is at 54% for 3rd down and 70% for 4th down. OSU is #5 in 3rd down efficiency and #8 in offensive efficiency.
I said from there beginning of the year qb was not going to define this team but rather defense. I know the narrative has now changed on Luton and we aren’t supposed to use stats. But my assessment of Luton so far: he had played well, he is not a guy that is going to take the team on his back.
Still plenty of games to go.
He’s put up those stats, but still doesn’t look like a good QB.
Kind of rare to put up numbers and still look like a backup, but he’s managed to do it. It’s because Hodgins is making him look great.
That’s why I’m not a stat monkey.
Right, beavers have been some of the best at 3rd down in the whole nation. So Luton is doing everything and some that Angry asked. But facts (stats) aren’t good enough. It’s the look (which is just a personal opinion) I’ll take the worst looking qb if his play helps them win games.
It’s not the look or the stats. It’s the entire picture. You guys seem confused by this, but it’s simple.
Watch good/great QBs in either college or the NFL and then watch Luton. If you can’t see the difference I don’t know what to tell you. Luton’s stats are very much a byproduct of having several 4-star WRs, one of whom is headed to the NFL.
He puts the ball in the general vicinity of those players so they can make the plays. That’s about the best you can say.
You have to realize I’ve been through this like five times on this site. People tried to convince me Seth Collins was better than McM because he could hurdle, that Jack Del Rio was better because he could throw the ball 100 yards and not hit a bar door, Mannion was elite (when it was Cooks making him look elite), Nick Mitchell was the answer because the coaches said so and they know more, etc. Last great QB we had was Matt Moore senior year. That’s what great QBing looks like, for reference. We had one in McM but let him go. Gebbia should be a lot like Moore and possibly better.
No one is talking about your past predictions. There is one 4 star receiver not several. The closest to a 4 star is taylor who dropped an excellently placed ball for a td that bounced off his hands.
Lindsey is a 4 star.
Taylor was a 4-star at one point but dropped to 3 right after he signed with the Beavs. So that’s three 4-star WRs.
Luton-hodgins/mannion-cooks is a good comparison.
So Mannion was elite because Cooks made him so… yet he’s still getting paid to play without Cooks.
Canfield made a little money in the NFL, but he wasn’t any good.
Yet, McM was so great… where’s he playing this week Angry? For fucks sake man, you’re fucking hopeless
So many errors not sure where to start. Are you talking about college football or pro football?
Mannion was quasi-elite in college because of Cooks. He was an above average college QB. Bad NFL QB. Canfield was alright, too. Above average. Bad NFL QB. McM was the best college QB of the bunch. Didn’t get a shot in the NFL.
I shouldn’t have to explain to you there’s a difference between great college QBs and great NFL QBs. Jesus, man. You swim in a warm Southern lake with a brain eating amoeba?
Your “knock out punch” is confusing college QBs with NFL QBs, and putting weight on how much money a guy made in the NFL. Jarmcus Russell is headed to Canton, man. This is the year.
If McM is better than Mannion, why is Mannion a millionaire and McM is a never was….
Quoted for posterity.
Angry, I appreciate you doing this blog. I do enjoy reading all of the great info and opinions of everyone on the site. However, for personal growth you need to get some humility and honesty. You have a tendency to make a judgment then hold onto it with a death grip. Luton is better this year than last. He is playing well and the stats, while not against elite defenses, have been impressive to this point. We don’t have any evidence on how good Gebbia would have been in these games. You lose credibility when you can’t even admit that Luton has played well up to this point. You just attack everyone that states the facts by saying that you know better than the stats.
If you said Luton has played well but still has some issues that will be exposed by better teams- that would be reasonable. But for you to say that here has played horrible and the measurables lie because I know better than the stats – that is a character flaw.
Quote where I say he played horrible. The exact quote.
You are predictable.
“You’re not willing to call it as it is. Calling it as it is is admitting he doesn’t go through progressions, has no touch, poor leadership, etc etc, yet he’ll have big games due to having a decent arm and NFL receivers.”
If that isn’t calling him horrible, I guess it is on me. I do wonder where you get that he is a bad leader? I know I’m a stat monkey and all but to me the biggest sign of a good leader is the willingness for others to follow. He was elected a captain by the team prior to being announced the starter. That says something. I haven’t seen anywhere that he isn’t a strong leader.
This is simple: I like Luton as a backup. He’s a good backup. How can a good backup be horrible? I’ve said plenty of good things about him: the realistic ones like I was glad he got a 6th year because we need him as backup depth, he seems like a nice guy, he can make throws and have big games sometimes. That’s reality. His shortcomings are all the other negative things mentioned. Also reality.
His stats are out of line with his ability because he throws the ball in the general vicinity of great WRs and they either make a great catch or bat down an INT. Very little of what he’s doing has to do with his ability. If you think getting the ball within a 5 yard radius of the WR is good then he’s good. You can believe that. I’d just quote the great Helen Keller on that one “The only thing worse than being blind is having sight but no vision.”
If you guys can’t see what makes great QB play it ends there. Nothing to discuss. That’s why I’ve been saying I don’t want to get involved in the Luton debate (yet I am trying to shed light…again) because the stat monkeys have the numbers they need to win arguments. They don’t have the vision to see all is not what it seems.
Some of the arguments being made are nonsensical. A@A now saying that NFL salary determines how good a QB is. Just…wow.
As to leadership: name a game winning drive where Luton lead the team down the field and won it. He had a shot at Hawaii and had a deer in headlight look the entire drive. That Hodgins has to tell people he’s a leader is more proof. There’s a saying in writing: “show don’t tell”. If Luton showed he’s a leader, Hodgins wouldn’t have to tell his teammates that he is one. When he actually leads I’ll call him a leader.
OK. This is Jake Thompson all over again. If you go back to where I asked for you to define what Luton would have to do to change your mind, I also said it wasn’t worth there time to try to argue anything with you because you are never wrong and you just say how the person that disagrees with you just is not able to get it.
I would gladly apologize to you if you can give me one example of a time that you have admitted making a mistake saying somebody wasn’t good but they change your mind.
Johnny Hekker.
He was hot trash at OSU, and I called him out over and over. He’s a pro bowl punter now.
I have NO idea how that happened. Only thing that makes sense is the OSU ST coaches were inept compared to NFL coaches. But it’s hard to imagine they were that bad.
Also made some bad recruit predictions. That 4-star Hawaii LB years ago, for example. I forget his name (Shaydon or something?). Way off on him. Liked the GA hire. Way off on him. Easy to admit when wrong.
The reserve is more true. People say I’m wrong, the when it’s obvious I’m right, they never come back and admit it.
So it took Johnny Hekker a full NFL career to change your mind.
Took Hekker’s first year in the NFL.
You asked for an example. I gave three. Now you’re complaining.
You gave one example of what I asked for. You have no problem changing your opinion to be negative. I was asking for the other way of someone you thought was bad but then changed your mind. Hekker is a valid example. I apologize for saying you NEVER change your mind.
I can probably think of a lot more.
That was off the top of the head in a few seconds.
Edit: looking at my recruiting rankings. Had Gus Lavaka as a 2-star. He’s better than that. Would have to go through these lists to name them all, but they’re out there.
Multiple people noted that Angry’s Luton prediction was phrased in a way that he couldn’t be wrong, and angry replied with “nuh uh”…
Do you gaslight everyone in your day to day life, too?
If by gaslighting you about your obsession with backup QB’s means you’re questioning you’re sanity… then yeah im gaslighting you.
I will say this about Luton, The game against Hawaii, he put it together in the first half, then came out flat in the second half. It looked like he was told to look off his #1 target throughout that game. The next game against Stanford, the first half he came out flat, but came out to play in the second half. This last game against UCLA, on the road(Oregon State in the past has not been known as a road team by any means), he clearly was making pre-snap reads on pass plays and “staring down” his receiver because pre-snap, he had already decided that’s who he’s going to throw it to on that play. If the player was covered and he read it wrong, he would quickly try and look the other way and try and dump it off or throw it away(if outside the pocket). His miss reads on pre-snaps is what makes him look like a bad QB. He is getting better in this regard. The fact that he rumbled off a 15+ yard TD to win the game, shows that he wants to be a play maker and made the correct read that time because UCLA did not account for him to pull the ball and run. Jake will pull the ball when the defender crashes towards the RB and he doesn’t have a DE or LB spying him on the read options. He has tangibles, but I think and feel he’s been trying to work on protecting himself and not re-injuring his back again. Now that he’s scored a true rushing TD, maybe that will open up the offense more in the RB/QB option plays where Luton pulls it and takes off with the ball.
The offense is getting better. Kolby Taylor had a would be TD drop right on his hands in the endzone. Other receivers need to step up other than Champ, Hodgins and soon Tyjon Lindsay. It appears Smalls is Redshirting this year; can anyone confirm?
I don’t get why we don’t just start Gebbia’s brother Dylan?… He has the moxie and all those things Angry likes… Too bad he won’t be out of HS till 2022… here he is in 7th grade https://mobile.twitter.com/dagathletics/status/859134211646603269
Pedo.
Oh come on Angry… This is more up your alley… His last name is Gebbia so we know you love him already… plus there’s your two minutes of film that proves that he is great
Your argument is that I like Gebbia because of his last name and because he has film.
It’s some kind of jab or joke, I guess, but it’s stupid.
I didn’t mean it as a joke, no offense… I truly thought those were the reasons you liked him
Elon Musk approves of that reply
Has much more efficient throwing mechanics than Luton at least.
Legit reply lol
On a side note: I’ve listened to Astral Weeks about 1,000 times by now, and I still confuse Madame George and Cyprus Avenue. Learned both on guitar to clear things up and still nothing. It’s getting annoying.
I miss Jack.
Per olive Tinkle extended through 2022-2023.
Why tho?
WTF. What coaches kid is coming this time
Because Scott Barnes.
Don’t forget to vote for Hodgins for the blitenkoff (sp)? You get 1 vote a day, and he is dominating the polls right now. Winning the fan vote gives him 1 official vote.
Smith presser yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1i-JGtwL5g
Interesting comment by Smith. On the third and long conversion to Hodges on the last drive, Togai was the first read and Hodges was second or third read. Great job by the O-Line to hold the protection long enough for Luton to deliver the pass. Also, the int that Hodges saved Luton from was apparently tipped at the line of scrimmage — I didn’t see that.
Our O-Line is playing lights out right now. Multiple running backs killing it and no one is laying a hand on Luton, and we all know he is not the most mobile QB in the world.
There will be many Utah hands on him come Saturday. Hopefully the guys respond to the pressure.
Like the name LOL.
Impossible, Luton doesn’t ever go through his progressions.
Throwing this out there since UCLA May be the only win of the season, but Togiai’s Tecmo Bowl style man handling of a UCLA cornerback to keep the chains moving late in the game — couldn’t help but laugh out loud when he threw that poor bastard to the side — has to be one of my favorite plays of the season….so far. May that be a harbinger if what’s to come!
I feel like Jack posting at 4am. Except I’m drinking tea not bourbon.
But I’m up…stuck with my first cold in five years. Forgot how bad these suck.
Sore throat is especially irritating.
Try zinc. You have to stick with it consistently for it to work. Should shorten the length of the cold
Knob Creek.
Probably wouldn’t have it if you were drinking bourbon. You have to make yourself a terrible environment for anything foreign to live. Lol
Whiskey
Fresh squeezed lemon
Honey
Hot water.
My go to for sore throat/sickness.
This is the worst throat I’ve ever felt. Hope it’s not strep.
If you have a fever I would head to the DR ASAP. If it is strep can be dangerous and can be treated easily with antibiotics. You will feel better within 24-48 hrs. Just had it a couple of months ago.
I have a slight fever.
Could you see the strep on your throat? I’m reading you can see white if it’s that.
I also had a slight fever. The DR can usually see the strep in your throat but they will do a swab test to confirm. Your symptoms sound exactly the same that I had. Strep sucks but the good news is the meds work well and fast.
Thanks, man. Spoke with the nurse. Going to wait one more day to see if it’s a common cold, then go in if it doesn’t feel right still. By far the worst sore throat of my life and not a lot of congestion or symptoms of cold. Angry down for the count.
Take care Angry hoping for a speedy recovery.
You caught a virus from angry@angry.
Strep sucks. Don’t let it fester any longer than necessary because it can get worse in a hurry, to the point you won’t be able to eat solid food without some serious pain.
my dad just got back from Colorado this last weekend and he got sick with chills, fever, etc. He felt better with rest after about 3-4 days, but ended up going to the doctor yesterday because he started getting a rash. His DR thinks it might be Rocky Mountain Fever. So hopefully you don’t have anything that bad.
I just got over some bug that lasted almost five weeks. My doctor thought it started as a sinus infection. I had a nasty metallic taste in my mouth and no appetite. Lost 20 lbs because only hot soup tasted ok. I’m still not myself yet.
I hope you get over yours quickly. It sucks to be sick for any length of time.
Wow.
Mono?
I didn’t think about that. My doc did not bring that up as a possibility. The head pressure, sore throat and swollen gland were only on my left side. I was given oral steroids (had never taken before). I’m slowly feeling better every day. I never had any fever.
Let me ask you this: did you kiss Seth Collins?
He tried, Seth just hurdled him.
Nope, nowhere near him although he’s transferred so much who knows!
OT: Except for Bendbeaver.
Purdue has some cool uni’s to celebrate homecoming and alum Neil Armstrong’s stroll on the moon fifty years ago. There have been 25 astronauts that are Purdue grads! The helmets are great.
https://dailysnark.com/purdues-new-moon-landing-themed-uniforms-are-the-coolest-thing-youll-see-today/?fbclid=IwAR1aI55j3VrPNMLwHBGGh7ByIksYnlHa4Ah1ERHKrS4l4UKB07w8O2KQkZo
I remember when Banker used to celebrate the Fosbury Flop.
https://today.oregonstate.edu/news/dick-fosbury-sculpture-be-unveiled-oregon-state-university
Is there something else OSU could celebrate with a special helmet/uni?
Vitamin C or Maraschino cherries?
SP+ ratings predict Beavs lose 39-27, and with a 24% chance to pull an upset
https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1181906309425307648
All of Utah’s games except Idaho State have been close at half and then they lock down their defense in the second half. They have 3 second half shutouts (Idaho St, N. Illinois, Wazzu)
First half: Utah 85, opponents 57 (this includes a 24-0 lead vs Idaho State)
Second half: Utah 72, opponents 22 (16 of those 22 by USC and the other 6 by BYU)
A twelve point loss isn’t a surprising prediction, and probably fairly accurate. Especially with that dreaded “running QB” factor.
However, using my orange colored glasses, I see Smith/Lindgren making smart adjustments at the half. I don’t look for the Utes to be any more “locked down” on D in the second half vs the first.
The second half is gonna come down to depth/conditioning more than scheme. Utes would seem to have the advantage there. Lookin’ at more than our boy Whit.
Still, the mental state of the players could swing things in favor of the Beavs. An over confident Ute squad vs some Beavs that now believe could bode well for the good guys.
It’s not the QB the Beavs should worry about. If Utah has Moss back, it’s not going to be pretty. He doesn’t go down easy. Breaks a lot of tackles. Gotta hope for turnovers. Oh yeah, the Utah qb doesn’t have a int either so that’s going to be tough.
Anybody watch Utah play this year? They’re running ~1.9 plays/minute and their average TOP is around 35min. Is Huntley reading the defense or is it more like ball control & defense strategy? UW beat them last year with d & TOP. Seems like the beavs could play slow, spread the field, score early and disrupt that strategy.
They must have accounted for Choukair missing an extra point; because there is no way he makes 2 field goals on top of 3 TD’s. Unless we give him 7-9 tries, then maybe he could make 2 field goals.
Nicebeaver – you alright? I notice no CBS picks.
Bust week with work and I totally wasn’t thinking about football the past few days.
Added the picks for this week tonight. Sorry for the delay guys and gals
Angry, try a big bowl of spicy Pho. Won’t cure you but will help with comfort.
Since we’re talking of illness. I hope all you clowns take a minute to get a flu shot. No need for doctor appointment swing by any quality pharmacy CVS, Fred Meyer etc. They’re free and although not a 100% quarantine it does provide a level of protection. Stay healthy to fully enjoy the misery of being a Beaver fan.
Or you could walk down by the bike path and pick up a random heroin needle and stab yourself with it. Both have an equal chance of preventing you from getting the flu.
What does that mean? Are flu shots quackery?
I’ve never had one in my life, nor have I ever had the flu. This is my first cold in five years. I kind of think letting your immune system fight things makes it stronger. No clue…never researched any of it and just went with how I felt, and I’ve probably had only 10 to 15 colds in my entire life.
There not quackery it’s just getting the correct strain in the shot to cover what strain will actually be prevalent in the flu season. The problem comes when they observe a certain strain and decide that is the one that will cause the most problems then between the time they observe it and a vaccine is ready it mutates making the vaccine less effective. Sometimes they total miss sometimes its correct.
Sometimes they total miss sometimes its correct.
Sounds a lot like a Luton pass.
they’re not quackery. I like to think that Jack would excoriate any anti-vaxxers in this crowd
Quackery implies intent to pass off useless treatment, I wouldn’t go that far. But the shots are basically useless and they’re just recently figuring out why. Also it looks like the shots may have been making things worse this whole time. But don’t take my word for it:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/why-flu-vaccines-so-often-fail
The flu strain will also mutate, nullifying the effectiveness of whatever flu-shot cocktail you’ve had administered. First flu shot I ever had was in 2015, and I got the flu a few weeks later. I still get them every year. I’d rather be protected by 3/5 of the strains floating around out there than 0/5.
Flu shots do exactly that, they trigger your immune system to develop a defense for certain strains of the flu virus. Of course, it doesn’t include all possible strains, so it doesn’t guarantee you won’t catch the flu. But getting flu shots every year technically makes you more and more immune to the various strains. On the flip side, some people actual get flu symptoms after getting the shot, so I can see why some would want to avoid it.
If you’ve never had the flu and only been sick a handful of times it’s pretty obvious you have no children.
I didn’t get sick once from the time I was 16 until I was 26. Less than a year After my oldest son was born the vomit bug went thru my house. And seemed to happen every year until they got older.
Usually within six weeks of school starting in the fall my youngest brought home the latest and greatest Aids going around the public schools. 3 years ago we all started getting flu shots. No one got sick.
This year we had the Aids within 2 weeks. Hadn’t gotten our flu shots yet. I’m at 3-1/2 weeks and the nagging cough, sneezing and runny nose won’t go away.
Moral of the story? Flu shots work for us. Or purely circumstance.
Oh yeah, and children are disgusting germ factories.
“Oh yeah, and children are disgusting germ factories”
Ain’t that the truth. Since having kids it like a perpetual cold that’s lasted 7 years.
Whiskey, none of that is actual influenza, it’s just common cold fall bug. And my kids bring that shit home with them too.
I want to say 2 or 3 years ago you had a serious fever going on for a few days. Was that not the flu? i remember talking about it on here
I think the last time I was sick was 2015. That was a bad one.
Yeah, maybe it was the flu, in retrospect.
Gosh… Thanks for the suggestion Dr. Salk, but I think I’ll stick with the pharmacy.
Does Strep always have a fever with it? I’m at 98.6 so if it does it must just be a common cold.
I’ve never experienced a sore throat like this. I can barely talk.
Sounds like strep comes with a fever from what the literature says.
got mine yesterday
Yep, flu shots are settled science.
Or, they’ve been making shit worse for years and they’re just now figuring out how to tell what the hell is going on.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/why-flu-vaccines-so-often-fail
OT…….WBB:
Per Eggers, “The U.S. women’s national basketball team (we’re talking Sue Bird, Elena Delle Donne, et al) will play exhibitions at @BeaverWBB on Nov. 4 & at @OregonWBB on Nov. 9 as part of a 4-game tour vs college teams. This team that will represent the U.S. in the 2020 Olympics. Pretty cool”
The national team will also play Stanford and aTm.
I really appreciate how angry says that since Hodgins says Luton is a good leader means he isn’t..makes me think what a terrible (or maybe a good backup) Tom Brady is cuz I’ve seen countless clips of teammates saying what a leader he is…
I also found angry’s comment about Luton throwing to nfl wr’s and that he’s only throwing it in a 5 yard vicinity… really angry? I would’ve guessed that he’s more accurate than a 15 fucking foot window.. but you keep saying it’s not just stats, it’s looks too. I hadn’t noticed Hodgins covering 15 feet radius but you must be right
But who has the higher salary? That determines who’s better.
I find it funny that they always go to hodgins for quotes about Luton. I know it’s well deserved for hodgins but hes not going to bad mouth the guy who targets him 20 times per game.
Actual Hodgins quote on Luton.
“#17 is making him look good!”
Yes, it’s all in good fun, but alot of truth is said in jest.
https://twitter.com/Pac12Network/status/1182114191961800704?s=19
Funny Luton also notes there’s no separation but he forces it in anyway.
Even they know…
Misquote. It was “17’s saving him again”
….and Luton doesn’t cheat either.
You are so annoying… Seriously just bitch bitch every fucking time I open this website. We get it you think Luton is the next Tom Brady, but you are obviously a moron. Go back and re-watch some games and count how many times Luton has been bailed out by Hodgins and crew after a terrible throw… Seriously get a life or open your own blog. You’re almost as bad as Jack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUg2cp23rGE
I know.
He’s worthy of a ban but I have a high ban threshold (only 2 ever). Considering it, though. Worthy of a sympathy ban to put him out of misery.
He also thumbs up all his posts.
Dont ban him, I get a kick out of Angrybeavs Derangement Syndrome. He’ll say anything to be the contrarian just to argue with you. 99% of it just falls flat.
He seems mentally ill (stalkerish, obsessed, gaslighting)…I don’t like being around mentally ill people. They can be dangerous to interact with, even online. JPtheBeaver on Blitz used to be this way. I assumed he moved on and found something better to do, but maybe it’s him. JP was obsessed with Pat Casey’s bumhole and baseball just like A@A. There was another guy from Blitz who used to hang around here obsessed, too. Maybe Adam. I forget. It’s probably one of those weirdos who never left.
You may be right. I mean the guy has a pretend relationship with Pat Casey, so who knows. Someone call Pat and tell him a@a is peeking in his windows at night.
Sock monkeys…
I’m just surprised you waste time replying to him. He either knows exactly how to push your buttons or he is you and you is him and the banter is good for business.
Can we be angry at angry@angry’s mom?
I think the bigger problem is just how sensitive y’all are… Just like angry@angry, I don’t believe that Luton is the greatest QB or even a great QB but he isn’t a bad QB… I think we’ve all seen enough of really bad QB’s at OSU… you guys just can’t take it when someone disagrees with you… Then when the results on the field are the opposite of what y’all been preaching, it makes you super defensive… the difference is me and angry@angry can swallow our pride when we are wrong
LOL, sure you can. Luton is going to have play a lot better defenses from here on out. We’ll see how he responds.
Luton for sure has a much tougher stretch ahead of him, and I doubt many expect him to continue with no picks and playing as well as he is. I certainly don’t. And as soon as he throws a pick we’ll hear the cries for Gebbia. And angry will say “see I told you!”
Nice hedge. ^
Lol… I bet Luton’s QBR doesn’t drop below 70 by the end of the season… signed, sealed and delivered… that’s only because of our multiple 5 star receivers we have on the roster which in layman’s terms means one… hedge that bro
“I wish Luton would go through his progressions”… instead of throwing to his first who is open?… Tom Brady always does: https://youtu.be/BOY3JuXyDTM
I’m willing to bet his QB rating is much lower vs a Utah defense.
But I get it. A good QB can’t win with a bad defense. If he performs well this weekend I might waffle back on board the Luton train.
The defense needs to shore up this 3rd down conversion bullshit. Until that happens? Maybe he’s a good QB on a team with a bad defense?
I’m on the fence.
I agree, if you notice I said his qbr would not drop below 70 by the end of season.. meaning total stats not individual games… I’ll give whiskey credit he doesn’t jump to one side or the other based on the popular vote… I do have a question for you, do you believe Gebbia would have put up better numbers than Luton if he started the games half way through the season?
We’ll never know.
Look, Angry isn’t wrong about one thing. A good receiving core can bail out a QB with errant/poor throws. With that said, I am shocked Luton has yet to throw a pick in 5 games this season.
I also suspect that will change vs Utah. If it doesn’t I will be extremely surprised.
Look, I get it. JS is trying to win now and rolling out the QB that gives them the best chance to win. He believes Luton is that QB right now.
I’m still not sold on Luton. But I am starting to come around to the fact maybe he’s a good QB on a team with a bad defense. But be that as it may, how did they manage to only score 28 vs Hawaii and Stanford and get shut out for a half in each game?
Those should’ve been two wins.
I hold some hope for this weekend. Utah has only played two road games. They didn’t look overly fantesticle in either one (Beat BYU, lost to USC). It’s homecoming. Do I think the Beavs are game? Yes. Do I see a win? No. But much like Angry I predict a close loss, 23-20.
I understand Smith is trying to build a program out of the doldrums. It’s just extremely frustrating to see them piss away games that they easily could have won for one reason or another. You have to learn to walk before you learn how to run. It was nice to see them jump out early on UCLA and get a win. Does that carry over to this week? We’ll see. This team could very easily be 4-1 instead of 2-3.
The Pac is down again this year. There are some winnable games on the schedule the next 4-5 weeks. Cal without Garbers? ASU? Arizona? UW at home? Dawgs looked like ass at Stanford last weekend. It’s enough that I’ve tuned back in for now since they’re not getting blown out. But FFS, they do still frustrate the shit out of me with the 3rd down ineptitude on defense.
This football program could and should be so much better than it currently is. But mismanagement and a lack of commitment from upon high has hampered that. I just hope Smith is able to overcome those barriers. Believe me, I am rooting for the guy. That 2000 season was just amazing and something to be treasured. I still have newspaper clippings from that season I plan to frame and put in our gaming area here at whiskey correctional institution.
I’ve been a Beaver fan since I moved here in the 80’s. I’ve seen more bad football than good.
I have two things I want to witness before I get my eternal dirt nap. The Dodgers winning the World Series (and that dream got flushed for another year) and the Beavers playing in the Rose Bowl on New Years. THAT has not happened in my lifetime.
The strange but true stat rankings for the season. 130 fbs schools.
Offense yards – 24th, 3rd in pac12.
Defense yards – 103. But 7th in pac12!!
Scoring offense – 25th
Scoring defense – 97th
3rd down conv rate – 6th!!!
3rd down defense conv rate – 129th, But not last!
Passing efficiency off – 31
Passing efficiency def – 115
Tackles for loss – 21. Not bad
Tackled for loss on off – 13th. Not bad either.
Sacks – 53
Sacks allowed – 28
Kick return def – 122
Kick returns – 24
So without watching a game, the stats say this team can move the ball and score without going backwards much.
But, also give up a lot of yards and scores. Can’t make critical plays but do get in the backfield on a regular basis. And give good field position on kickoffs.
Offense stats are looking pretty nice. Hopefully that can sell to recruits. You could say the defense is better than last year. Hopefully they improve throughout the year and finish ranked under 100. Next year will have mostly Smith guys so we’ll see if they get better.
I hope special teams (kickoffs) shows up again this week. That is a huge difference, like almost can determine a win or a loss!
Hoping the d-line gets all three of those top five Juco recruits. Defense would be nasty! Erickson jail-break-psycho perhaps???
Smith can speak from direct experience about the impact those recruits could have… has to be a pretty good selling point, particularly with the playing time available and OSU’s productive offense.
911 what is your emergency?
Um, there’s a rape in progress at Sun Trust park!
Cardinals plate 10 runs in the 1st inning. Now up 13-0 in the 3rd. Nice of Atlanta to show up In their own park for game 5.
Dave Roberts loses the series for the Dodgers by keeping Kelly in the game with Jansen in the pen. We’ll see tomorrow how the appeal to authority fallacy holds up. Something tells me LA fans won’t stand for such an obvious error. He should be fired for that.
Angry, with your health issue I figured I’d offer to put up a game thread but you seem to be pretty active on the site today so probably not necessary; let me know.
I’m super bored.
So I’ve been posting here more.
I’ll let you know if I’m dying. Thanks oob.
Bad to be bored. If you really think you’re dying, start looking for Jack?
No, he fucked up before then by sticking with Kershaw in the 8th inning.
I texted my fiancee when Roberts brought him in and said this is a bad decision that is going to end poorly. Yes, he struck out the guy on 3 pitches to end the 7th but promptly gave up back to back HR’s leading off the 8th to allow the Nationals to tie it.
Kenta Maeda came in then struck out the side. Had he just gone to Maeda to start the 8th, he could’ve stuck with him in the 9th or gone to Kolarek and Jansen at the end. Although Jansen has been nothing close to his former self this season. And IDK what the fuck has happened to Joe Kelly. Clearly not the same guy he’s been.
Extremely annoyed because I saw this EXACT scenario playing out. And I am not getting paid millions of dollars to make bad decisions. Roberts went with Kershaw because he did the opposite in game 5 against the Nationals in 2016. Kershaw is NOT the same pitcher and his postseason record speaks for itself. He’s unreliable.
One bad decision by Roberts just ruined a record setting regular season and flushed the post season down the crapper in one swoop. It was world series again or bust. Now it’s bust.
I was pissed they gave Kershaw a 3 year contract extension last off season. Should’ve let him walk the last time his contract was up. Walker Buehler is your top of the rotation guy.
Last thought for the night…………
I like Dave Roberts. But I think he is too damn loyal to his veterans. Case in point? AJ Pollock. Guy absolutely sucked in the DS and struck out in about 12 of 15 at bats. Roberts stuck with him until game 4 then switched out for him and he didn’t start game 5. Pinch hit in the 10th inning and struck out. Color me shocked.
Kershaw. Past history is a pretty good indicator of future results. Dude is terrible in the postseason. Fact. That decision will haunt them.
Stuck with Joe Kelly when he wasn’t right.
Stuck with Jansen in the regular season after multiple blown saves.
If a guy isn’t getting it done then find someone who will!
It’s now been 32 years since they last won a World Series. Maybe it’s time to move on from Roberts and bring in Joe Maddon? He is available. He did manage to help the Cubs win it all for the first time in over 100 years.
ICYM: CBS picks are now up.
Thanks, NB!!
I spent like five minutes on them since I’m sick.
They were tough this week.
What games specifically were tough? I thought this was one of the easier weeks imo
I thought they were all tough…
But I don’t watch hardly any of those teams.
I’ve watched a little PAC and still found Oregon/CU, WSU, and AZ tough. I took CU, WSU, and AZ.
Duke/GaTech seemed weird, too. GaTech is so bad they’re expected to be blown out by Duke?
Let’s go Buffs! When is the last time quacks scored 21 points let alone won by 21 over a p5 opponent?
Beavs +14.5 at home against Utah? That sounds quite a bit high. Utah hasn’t been world beaters by any stretch this year.
While I don’t see them beating Utah I do see them being closer than 2 TD’s.
*Also still not a betting man. I get pissed when I lose $20 at a card table.
Speaking of betting when is that Oregon Lottery app for sports betting available?
Fever is now 101 and yet I woke up ravenous and ate a box of eggs. Crazy.
Maybe I have the warm lake amoeba.
If you have a brain eating amoeba I’m looking forward to the posts the next few days. #silverlining
Ah, Jack Part Deux
Team tweeted out today some ranking on Art Pierce against other Pac12 RBs.
1st in carries over 10 yards, and 2nd best rushing grade for ball carrier in the league, by pro football focus.
Yet he couldn’t get a touch in that scoreless 2nd half at Hawaii.
I’m not bitter.
https://twitter.com/BeaverFBNews/status/1182379418892685312?s=19
Remember…coach never makes errors, coach knows best…because he’s the coach. ;)
Well, you just kicked that straw man’s ass. Nice going.
Also remember, there’s more than one reason why a guy might not have gotten a touch.
Maybe they thought it would be best to keep playing a gimpy Jermar Jefferson in order to exacerbate his injury.
I was chatting with someone very close to Jermar via DM during and after the game. Pierce wan’t hampered by any injuries that day. They were confused by the lack of touches too
Who ever said coaches don’t make mistakes.
Beavs have a history. Who was the RB during the GA era who started one game and ran for over 100 yards, didn’t touch the ball again, but ended up making an NFL practice squad? Tim something?
Cook?
Yes! Tim Cook. He looked the part of a beast, just like AP. It doesn’t sound like Smith is going to redshirt Jefferson, so it will be interesting to see the workloads when/if JJ is completely healthy. As many have mentioned, JJ’s excessive workload against Hawaii was an error.
I remember the play that JJ came up limping, a Hawaii player had ahold of his foot/ankle and was twisting it sideways in the pile. He was pretty ineffective from then on.
I kinda remember JJ coming up limpy vs OK St, when Baylor came in while in the redzone. Kind of a long run if I remember right. Could have been minor at the time, than really hurt vs Hawaii.
Beavergopher, you may remember a few months ago we talked about a Minnesota area 4* LB recruit, Kaden Johnson, possibly visiting OSU this year. Turns out he will be here this weekend. I think he visited Nebraska last week. Wisconsin and Minnesota are the other main schools I’ve heard mentioned as favorites for him. Do you still get the sense that he’ll end up at Minnesota?
We also have Ron Hardge III and Rejzohn Wright(both Juco CBs) visiting, and last I heard, JUCO OLineman, Luke Haggard. Sure feels like we’re aiming to round out this class with several plug and play upperclassmen via JC.
There may be more visitors announced closer to game day. These are the only official ones I have info on so far.
Jake Overman is coming on an unofficial, after already official visiting with us during Summer. I would consider him and the JuCO visitors to all be on commitment watch during and after the weekend.
We may luck out with Overman, because I was almost certain he would go to UW at one point. But UW filled that position already so we may get to be the backup plan. I think he’ll be a pretty good player in college.
That just came up here. The consensus is that if he was staying home, he would have already committed to help recruit a very good state class. Most think he will be a Badger, with Nebraska #2. He was in Lincoln to see the smack down by the Buckeyes. Folks here are surprised at the official to Corvallis. It has to be Tibesar’s reputation with OLB’s at Wisconsin. Kid is great athlete and I will be pissed if he ends up in Madison and ecstatic if he ends up a Beaver.
Man, Luton has been very, very good this year. #18 on PFFs college QB rankings and ranked higher than Herbert. But, we should definitely go with Gebbia.
https://t.co/2O0yUhaaWV
Plays one complete game against the second worst defense in d1. I guess we should just induct him into the hall of fame now, why wait.
Are you forgetting how he dominated Cal-Poly at home?!? Context isn’t important, stats are!
Oh yeah, cal-poly home for invalid children. They should be proud they beat up a bunch of kids with polio.
How about we document and grade each Luton pass this weekend? Can see how many are the result of his ability and how many are Hodgins et al. We’ll do it in real time in the game thread. Someone come up with a scale (e.g. hits receiver in stride = A, in the vicinity of the receiver/adjustment = C, etc)
If I’m alive I’ll play along.
If you take ALL the remedies that we have proposed. You will probably be dead
But with a pleasant buzz.
Sounds fun.
Things to consider on each: protection, the decision, the actual throw, and the receiver’s performance on the play.
Need to consider the “it” factor; maybe add something for the game situation at the time of the play.
“game on the line” vs “garbage time”
Extra points for varying the snap count???? naw, never happen.
Lol who is downvoting actual critical thinking about our QB play?
Gift wrapped interception foiled by receiver play is an automatic F.
Do it by number, it’s easier to grade at the end. 5=A, 1=F.
5= hit in stride or only where the receiver can catch it. Dropped or caught
4= throw in front of reciever, receiver makes catch with no chance of running after. diving or sideline catch going out of bounds. Dropped or Caught.
3= ball thrown low or high. Player has kneel or comeback to ball to make catch. Or has to jump from standing position to make catch.
2= ball thrown behind receiver or ball thrown into coverage were DB can make a play with possiblity of interception.
1= ball throw wild, high or low. Not including throwing ball away because of good coverage.
0= interception, tip ball at LOS.
How about this? Maybe people can expand on it. I’m just spit balling.
Yes was just coming here to propose a very similar scale via numbers.
Makes more sense to me, too.
Here are my “fixes” or “Alterations” from BlackBandits grading system:
5= hit in stride or only where the receiver can catch it. Dropped or caught
4= throw in front of receiver, receiver makes catch, but no YAC.
WR makes a sideline catch going out of bounds(minus 2
minute drill and stick routes).Dropped or Caught.
3= Player has to make an effort back to the ball to make catch
OR has to jump to make catch.
2= thrown behind receiver or into coverage where defender
touches it before receiver does.
1= arrant off balance throw, over thrown receiver. Not including
throwing ball away because of good coverage.
0= interception, except tipped ball by WR OR tipped at LOS.
Luke Heimlich is playing fall ball in the Mexican Pacific League for Carneros de los Mochis. They started with an exhibition game against an Arizona Fall League team and Luke was their opening day starter. He struck out 3 but gave up a grand slam in the 3rd and left after giving up 5 runs in 2.2 innings. His team went on to lose the game 17-0. Then they lost their next exhibition game 15-0. The exhibition games were in Phoenix /Scottsdale so at least he’s starting games in the US. The grand slam was to the Giants #1 prospect Joey Bart.
The Mexican team he plays for already plays half their home games in Laredo.
I believe you’re thinking of the regular season, Tecos de dos Laredos.
His winter league team is Caneros de los Mochis, they play in the state of Sinaloa.
Didja know Daniel Rodriguez has twice drop kicked to David Morris? And that he kicked a 43yd FG as a High School Jr.?
More in Eggers piece today.
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/440706-353953-beavers-have-a-most-versatile-punter
I think it’s cute Angry wants to do some attempt of an in depth analysis of Luton’s game now that he’s facing the toughest defense to date this year… not really sure what he’s trying to prove either… nobody here (that I recall) is claiming he’s incredible… he just gives us a better chance to win right now than Gebbia does. And this “analysis” can’t prove or disprove that.
New thread up about the Luton scale.