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What if Football Season is Cancelled?

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Curious if you guys have mentally prepared for this, and if so, what do you plan on doing with the free time? What would your mood be if it’s cancelled?

I’d be super bummed mostly because I think this is our best team since 2006, and I’ve been really looking forward to watching Gebbia become elite.

My base case at this point is no season. I know people are saying a Spring season, but due to the liability colleges will face, I don’t see any season…then we reassess if/when a vaccine comes out. Regarding the vaccine, I find it strange people are viewing it as a panacea because we can’t even get half the population to wear masks because they don’t want the government telling them what to do — what makes people think they’re suddenly going to have a total change of heart and shoot up with a government sponsored vaccine? Not to get political there, but I’m more wondering why on earth the psychology would change. I expect half the population to ignore the vaccine. We already have a vaccine – it’s called a mask. And we don’t take it. Financial markets are hinging on this vaccine, but it seems they totally overlooked this reality… /shocker.

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    It would be a bummer from a personal aspect, but if it slows the virus heading into winter, then I think it is a good thing.

  2. Be a bummer for sure but those Saturdays in September until darn near the end of October are some of the best days of the year for hiking and biking so I won’t let a lost season go to waste or dwell on it too much.

  3. Well so far no sports I’ve remolded the kitchen and family room. Guess I move on to some tile work and spruce up the bathrooms. My wife is voting for no football until the house is done.

    • How hard is tile work for someone with experience of 0?

      So far I’ve repainted our interiors, but some of the tile could use upgrading…

      • Really not hard at all but a bit hard on the knees and back. Highly recommend a tile saw (rent or buy) if doing a large area. The most important part is leveling it out and spacing them correctly. If you spend a hour watching youtube videos you will be confident enough to dive in. Highly recommend pre-mixed morter and grout… just way easier. Check out Mapei’s CQ1 grout from Lowes. Stuff is bullet proof. Expensive, but you get what you pay for.
        I put in my current tile about 15 years ago. We picked right as they are still selling what we put in and it is still in style. So I’m going to use a grout removing tool on the crappy grout I put in and put back the CQ1 grout (different color). If you have to break up old tile it’s not that hard once you get the first couple out. Broom style scrappers are made just for that.

      • You’ve built guitars, right? I think you’d do just fine installing new tile, attempting to repair existing isn’t something I’d recommend.
        If you have a solid, level base the process isn’t difficult. You’ll need patience, knee pads, and rent a tile saw.

        Take time to layout and make a “story stick” to help in measuring, that way you can minimize the amount of saw rental time.
        Others here will likely chime in, many have probably done tile work.

        I’ve learned that careful cleaning of fresh grout makes a big difference in the finished product.
        Go for it!!

        • Sweet, thanks! Same info as Bill for the most part.
          Yes I’ve built a few (electric) guitars, though I’m not naturally mechanically inclined — I just followed instructions on YT and reading books. I’ve become more mechanically inclined via things like that and working on the house, but none of it is instinctual. I’m actually considering the 1st acoustic build…might start with a kit because that’s an entirely different beast.

          PS. Ate the first zucchini and carrots from the garden this past weekend. It’s going to be hard going back to grocery store food…

  4. I would think that if there’s a viable vaccine available and people choose not to take it, the consequences are on them. The government doesn’t need to feel obligated to protect them from themselves via lockdowns etc. Go back to normal life. There’s protection available for those who want it, and the rest can do as they see fit.

    I think that’s exactly what that group would want anyway.

  5. Humans are remarkable in adapting to current situations. We’ve gone without meaningful team sports since March. People move on and find other outlets to have enjoyment. They find their emotional attachment to sports wasn’t as great as they thought. I think most have prepared themselves for no in person sports for the rest of the year and probably no college sports.

    Only die hards will have mental issues over it.

    It’s harder to see a full fall season ahead which sucks because a month earlier, signs were positive to start a season. Seems unlikely now but not because of what’s happening in Oregon. The only scenario I can see happening is a PAC12 north season with half the season in fall and the other half in spring. But even that seems like a stretch right now.

    • I’d be more upset if pumpkin patches were closed than if football was canceled.
      But I would care quite a bit if football was canceled just because we have a good team. If we had a shitty team, as usual, I’d probably be happy it was canceled.

      • Not sure what qualifies as good, I figured the team would be at best 7-5. Favorable home schedule but all tough road games.

        Clearly better than years past but good nationally? No.

        Defense would be better but have to remember it was still really bad last year. Ranked 108 in yards allowed, 106 in scoring defense, and 107 in third down defense.

        The offense will probably be about the same. More turnovers but hopefully will show up vs decent defenses. Utah and UW were awful showings last year.

      • I think that is the hardest part for me too… I’m just genuinely curious to see how this team looks this year. Luck of the Beavers that the one exciting year in the last 10 gets crushed by a pandemic. But at the same time, I’m not stressing over it. Sucks, but it is in line with what happens this year with a pandemic. I’m sure we’re all just as bummed about all the weddings, family gatherings, etc. that were cancelled this year too.

  6. Also I would be super, super bummed if the season was cancelled. I think our team could be really good, and the most fun to watch in a long time.

    I think the NFL will find a way to play still, and without college football they’d probably roll at least a few games a week into Saturdays. That’d be my silver lining.

    • I just want my college football and hockey. I’ll survive without it but was really looking forward to seeing my teams improve this year (OSU and Anaheim Ducks).

  7. It was a little before my time, but I’m curious if anybody here remembers the period around 1968/1969 when we were experiencing the Hong Kong Flu pandemic?
    Was there any impact on sports/businesses/etc in that era?
    The countries’ population was less than 2/3 what it is today, and estimates I’ve found say there were about 100k lives lost domestically and well over 1m worldwide.
    We even had a racist nickname for it, Hong-Kong Fluey.
    Woodstock was among the big events of during that era, although it didn’t seem to drive a new outbreak because I guess they figure it was late enough in the pandemic that most people were already immune.
    Just learned about the pandemic yesterday while listening to a podcast.

    • Those people at Woodstock probably had incredible immune systems via having every STD under the sun. No way Hong-Kong Fluey was penetrating them.

    • I graduated from OSU in 1968 and got a job in the SF Bay Area. I don’t remember any impact on day to day living. There was no effect on college football, basketball, NFL, NBA, or MLB games. I was going to OSU football games at Stanford and UC Berkeley and Oakland A’s games.

    • My mom says she had it, I have no reason to argue but she said life was normal throughout in Tacoma, WA where she lived at the time.

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      You remember the 1968 H3N2 epidemic.

      It’s called Influenza A, and it still kills 100k over two seasons… in good years… despite there being a vaccine available.

      Because it was a variant virus (it’s “like” the flu, because it is the flu… duh), many people were already immune to it due to the 1957 H2N2 epidemic. And antibody production lasts long enough that when people begin distancing (spring and summer months outdoors), it will disappear.

      SARS-CoV-2 is a novel virus. It is not like the flu. It is not seasonal. It will not magically disappear in some puff of woo woo in the summer months. The Trump Pandemic is a real thing. It’s not a flu epidemic that we put up with forever like some nail in our foot. It’s a degenerative virus which uses the body’s defenses against itself. There are now some studies showing degenerative myoencephalopathy in people who reported as asymptomatic but positive for antibodies. And now that we’re finding out antibody production is short-lived, having had Covid-19 will be a serious precondition heading into the H3N2 season–for both viruses.

      Those who don’t get the vaccine simply choose to leave this earth sooner than the rest of us. It will be fun to see how the actuaries rate them for future health care coverages. Do you want to pay higher rates to cover their stupid asses? We’re already looking down the barrel of higher rates due to the palliative care industry which will be created for the ~10% (too low?) of Covid-19 survivors who will need it in some form.

      As far as football is concerned, I have fishing poles and grandchildren.

      One note from a mention in a previous thread:
      NCAA football does not make money for the NCAA. Nor does it make money for anyone outside a group of 15-25 BCS schools in any given year. I guess it’s considered a loss-leader which brings a large number of alums willing to part with their money together. However, if the university forgives all scholarship payments from the team, it looks like a profit.

      It sort of speaks to the value some schools place on the product they provide when their accounting states that football players are free labor.

  8. It would feel very different if they decide to cancel the season, I’m not sure they’ll be able to pull it off.

    If cancelled, ultimately it would save us from watching another season of a beavers team showing glimpses of what could be before inevitably getting tombstoned by just enough opponents to where we miss another bowl.

  9. Football Scoop talks with a D-III coach whose football season has already been cancelled.
    I found this interesting:
    “They’ve asked us to do some other duties around campus a little bit. I think everyone’s going to do their part to hopefully not have to face any layoffs for anybody in the department…Some people have been asked to be contact tracers around campus.

    We implemented a new program because of covid to reach out to students on campus who are not student-athletes. Everybody got a list, maybe 30-40 students, to make sure they feel comfortable and let them know the ins and outs of what the fall will look like. I think it’s a pretty cool for non-student-athletes to hear from coaches and administrators in the athletics department. Worst case, you get a couple extra fans for the fall — or the spring, whenever we play.”

    https://footballscoop.com/news/footballscoop-qa-we-talked-to-a-coach-who-had-his-season-canceled/

  10. Class of 2018 QB Jt Daniels transferred from USC to Georgia in May. He’s from Santa Ana, CA, so not moving closer to home. Announced today the NCAA has granted his teansfer waiver, but also comments he wont answer media questions about the waiver, so no idea what caused them to grant the waiver so quickly.

    But if he is granted a waiver, not sure how the NCAA could justify not granting one for Harrison or Lowe. Both moved closer to home. Both had a coaching change occur during the last year. The only thing I can see for Daniels that is different is the Pac12 announcing they cancelled the Noncon games. But I cant see that factoring in their decision since it’s relatively new information.

  11. JT Byrne expected to join the beavs tonight per crystal balls. Are we excited if we get him? I don’t think he has another p5 offer but does have a 18 offers Including Cornell, Columbia, and Dartmouth. Another smart guy?? We had two TE come in this year and the 2021 class is supposed to be small. Is this is a position of need? Maybe he moves to a other position. I have zero insight. That is all.

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      Check out his Hudl film.

      His talent level fits his offer sheet exactly.

      He’s got the right size and decent hands. Athletic enough that he does wildcat QB for his team. But there’s nothing special about him when watching his film. Makes the plays but doesn’t dominate. Wasn’t a lot of blocking so no idea if he can.

      High two star. Not a bad get, TE are hard to find.

      • Which positions do you all think is hardest to overcome? For example, if a decent rb is recruited, can coaching overcome that? It seems the beavs will always have to have good coaching to be competitive because the starting line isn’t the same when you compare to other recruiting classes within the conference.

  12. I’d be disappointed because I too think this was set to be the best team since about ’06. And even if it is a 7-8 win team with a mediocre bowl, I expect a team that is entertaining and fun to watch and i expected a season that demonstrated real program progress. If there is no season, again, I hope players can return if they choose, though I’m not sure how they would work that out.

    I had fun attending games as a student, but I didn’t watch OSU football again until I happened to catch Jonathan Smith’s “almost-comeback” against UW, when he threw for a high number of yards I think as a freshman? I started watching then. In other words, I’d gone years without Beaver football before, and can easily go a season without if its in the best interest of the students.

    I love fall weather, and I rarely watched any day games. There’s some great fishing to be had. And of course hunting, but I definitely spend more time fishing or rainbow trout.

    I could use home improvements but am not too motivated in that regard anymore. I’d actually rather hire a good finish carpenter who can produce a better product than me more efficiently while I use my time to do something else, like go to work or go play.

    • Protecting current and future income. OSU has a very good distance learning program. if this gets shutdown there could be a pathway for international distance learning without the current immigration requirements. This would rain money on us.

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    I miss my Beavs, wouldn’t be on this site otherwise. I’ll take the political/social angle. We won’t get through for at least another year. United States doesn’t have the will to sacrifice for the common good, let alone the 33-40(?) percent who just are ignorant (unwilling?) to accept that nature and science rule our world-no matter what a network or politician may say.

    Sad.

  14. No season? I’d get more golf rounds in so I’d like that.

    I’d miss it but I’d make do.

    That said, I just can’t see how they don’t find a way to play, even if it’s winter/spring term, without college football college athletics as a whole are at risk so I lean toward the position that they will find a way to play.

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    Anger, despair, depression, rage, sadness…more mountain biking and paddle boarding acting as though 2020 never happened and is a speed bump in the Milky Way spinning and doing its thing.

  16. Kinda Same Same. A small amount of sadness just because we’re trending upward and it would be fun to watch development, but in the end I wouldn’t lose sleep over it as there’s so much heavy shit in real life right now that it’s low on the totem pole.

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    This is for angry, wsj put out an article on why cases are increasing during the summer. They studied other coronaviruses to compare Basically comes down to three things.

    1. Immunity. Since the virus is new, the population doesn’t have built in immunity. Would become seasonal when herd immunity is reached.

    2. Transmission – acts similar to other flu viruses. Transmitted through exhaling droplets while in close contact with other people.

    3. Human behavior – trumps (pun intended) the other two factors. Virus could become more under control if people behaved better. Masks, personal hygiene, etc.

    Scientists Hoped Summer Temperatures Would Tamp Down Covid-19 Cases. What Happened?
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/scientists-hoped-summer-temperatures-would-tamp-down-covid-19-cases-what-happened-11594632601

  18. J.T. Byrne: Not sure why we are so dismissive of this grab. 6’6 240 lb receiving TE? Yes please? 247 has him as a mid tier 3 star. Watched his film and here’s what I saw.

    Catching: uses his hands to catch, very comfortable catching high balls, secures the ball before making moves.

    Routes: extremely comfortable catching on vertical and post routes. Likes to change speed on the break which fools coverage. Hips look pretty stiff.

    Physical/Awareness: Dude is very tall with a good wing span. He’s fast for a TE and shows great body awareness. He doesn’t quit on routes and looks for space even when the QB seems done for. He doesn’t seem to be able to play through contact well after the catch.

    Blocking: No idea if he knows what a block is, didn’t really make the film.

    My Take: Great get, if he can block at all he would see the field for atleast 4 games, In a normal season, then redshirt. He will be a legit receiving threat but his impact and play time will completely depend on his blocking development. I think 247 has a fair rating.

      • Yeah it’s going to be weird without camps and visits. He probably didn’t get exposure junior year. Looking at his film I see no reason to be dissapointed.

        • 247 or maybe it was a writer in Cali had an article referring to Byrnes as a candidate to have a breakout senior year and garner more offers. We will never know but they seemed to think highly of him.

          • Sounds like Cal and Stanford were keeping a close eye on him and were hoping to see him play in person. I think this is a good get. I love kids with Ivy offers.

          • He is exactly what Stanford looks for in a TE. If nothing else it means we won’t have to watch him score 3 TDs on us every year.

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      OSU hasn’t had a solid TE in years. A guy that gets the ball thrown his way and you just know he will catch it. We’ve had some potential and solid athletes for sure.

        • I think (?) he played every game, but he was terrible for the first half. And then he put it together and was pretty solid down the stretch. Maybe it was injury related? Don’t know.

          He probably singlehandedly cost us the Stanford game last year. Two truly awful plays in particular:

          On one of our FG goal attempts, he didn’t react when the snap happened. He just slowly stood up, arms at sides, and watched a guy streak right past him to block it. (we lost the game by 3 points)

          On a fly sweep, he was in position to lay the perfect block. With that defender out of the picture, it might have gone for a TD. At the least it would have been a great play. Togiai runs right up to the defender, and then at the last minute puts his hands up and sidesteps him. Intentionally gets out of his way. The defender makes the tackle and ends the play. ??!

          • Yeah he was a great athlete tons of upside but just a few too many mistakes and drops. Mostly my point was TE is one of those positions where i’d rather have a lunch pail type guy that catches everything thrown his way, consistently does good blocking and is in the right spot. Than some guy that wows everyone physically but has a couple drops and bonehead plays a game.

          • Was it last year or two years ago where the Stanford QB caught the game-winning TD? I blame the guy covering the QB for that loss, not Togiai.

  19. According to Nick Douche-al at the o “No new positive COVID-19 tests to report from Oregon State athletes from last week. There are about 200 athletes on campus, and to date, only one has tested positive since June 15.”

    That seems like positive news, for now. Best college town may take on new meaning.

  20. Brief check in to say hello & comment:

    There are aspects I will miss if football season is cancelled. And I understand the frustration and disappointment that football players would experience.

    Really though, with educational institutions having to grapple with how to best move forward, and students (and their families!) having to navigate new and different terrains based on their circumstances, I think adding pressure and anxiety that might arise from requiring team practices/meetings/games, even if heavily modified, isn’t the best for what will be a challenging academic year.

    I imagine this would be somewhat easier if you were an incoming student with family/friends near by; OSU prides itself on being a residential campus community though, and I’d be more concerned if in my situation, that network wasn’t immediately available.

  21. I don’t get PAC12 Network, so I only watched the games that were on other channels, and usually one game in person. I tried to follow games on the ESPN app when I couldn’t watch. So I might gain some time for shop projects and home improvement. But I think what I’ll miss the most is the conversations it generates with my friends and also folks on this blog. Beaver sports is a major topic among many of my friends (college buddies), so we’ll have to make some effort to find new things to talk about. Either that or we’ll start losing touch with each other.

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    Following Doozle’s comment regarding Pac12 network. They have been preparing us for life without Pac12 football for years with the limited exposure of the conference anyway. If no football season, I’ll be spared the weekly nausea of ESPNIKE pushing Duck/Bama/Buckeyes/SEC. No need for SEC propaganda can only benefit my outlook each week.
    On the OSU Beaver front:
    1)We were spared the immediate crash landing of the baseball program, another year distance from Casey makes it less of a hard pill to swallow I guess. 2)Tinkle had no chance to flame out again, which means he will be around longer than necessary. Perhaps he has some real coaching ability now that Tres has taken his talents to Australia or wherever he goes overseas.
    3) JS has his team primed and ready for a top of conference finish with a lot of capable upperclassmen, of course we don’t have a season. This was going to be the outcome as soon as Covid hit. Luck o da Beavs always a consistent barometer of future events.
    4) College athletics and University systems are all on life support right now, the veneer of ESPN$ and campus expenses for students have been exposed. The system likely will implode and leave some form of elite university system, tech schools, empty campuses in default, minor league sports systems without any ties to schools. Almost like a MadMax post-apocalyptic college landscape where school endowments, research funding, tenure, athletic cash cows all are now under scrutiny.
    5) I’m glad to have been a Beaver fan and faced the yearly discouragements, but thankful for Casey’s 3 championships, Rueck’s Final 4 run, and the Fiesta Bowl as the great outliers of OSU sports history over the last 50 years. Bright side is that PK never was able to purchase his national championship and at this point, I think that ship has sailed…

    • I’m pretty good buds with John Sipple, former Beaver pitching great, and he’s very close to the program. He’s told me this team has some solid up and coming talent so we shall see. Remember, it took Casey 11 years before he reached a regional but hopefully it doesn’t take Canham that long. Casey and Canham inherited solid programs (Canham much more so than Casey) so Canham should be able to be successful at OSU. We shall see.

  23. So a Covid19 vaccine is seeming to have pretty good results in i initial trials and a larger scale round of testing is due up next.
    Curious how many of you would be willing to let them inject this new vaccine in you if this next round of trials returns similar results.
    Or would you prefer to let others be the guinea pigs and choose to just take your chances with social distancing until more time passes and more data comes through?
    Something to keep in mind, this is about 6 years worth of progress being compressed into a 6 month timeline. Pretty incredible stuff.

    https://apnews.com/e4d5259bfc6c74fcb090d885737c55a6

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        I’m right there with you Angry. No way and I doubt I’ll ever get one unless it’s proven effective and safe over a lengthy period of time. That said, no one will know what the potential long-term health effects will be until much farther down the road. It usually takes 9-10 years to get a drug approved by the FDA after years of testing, research, clinical trials, etc.,. and they’re going to try and push one out in less than a year. No thanks, not interested…..

      • We should let the elderly and people with preexisting conditions take it first since there’s likely to be shortages, plus they have the most favorable risk-reward from the vaccine.

        • United States c. 2016: “Assuming our models are correct, there should be no cause for concern.”

          United States c. 2020: “Assuming our models are correct, there should be no cause for concern.”

          United States c.2021: “BRAAAAAAAAAAAAINS!!!!”

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      Why not hydroxychloroquine and zinc as a much cheaper route? Trump may have been on to something, yet it seems like the entire media push was to bury it and make him look bad. Also, no thanks for Fauci’s vaccine on the fast track…

      Reverse psychology regarding the football season: It will not happen, it cannot happen, I don’t think they can play any games. See what I did there?

      • Was wondering how that worked. So if you were to get ill before a vaccine, would your body still be able to produce antibodies, just at a reduced capacity than compared to somebody who isn’t immunosuppressed?

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          It’s hard to say. The issue I have is that a group of cytokines (white blood cells) are linked to a marker (think of it like a spot light that attaches to cells/bacteria/viruses) they has decided my joint connective tissue should be killed. For some people the immunosuppression is very small because the malfunctioning cytokines are not that active in actual immune defense. For others they basically stop having an immune system because the issue cytokines are also the most aggressive part of their immune system. To make it more complicated the most aggressive germ killers are not always the ones producing the majority of antibodies. Sometimes there is cytokines that act more like janitors and pick up the remnants and produce a huge amount of antibodies. There are also immune cells that find existing antibodies and reproduce.them.like crazy. With our current understanding we just can’t say for any individual what will happen with any given disease.

          For me personally I fall in the unlucky 5% where my malfunctioning cytokines are also my best germ fighters. When im on a dose of m dicstion that puts me in full remission I get sick constantly. In 8 months last year I got the flu twice, strep twice, 8 sinus infections, viral bronchitis twice and also some childhood diseases like roseola and slap cheek. So I have to play a stupid game where I balance how much damage I let the arthritis do while also trying to not be sick.

          So yeah for me the risk of a bad vaccine vs protection from covid is a no brainier. I have a higher likelyhood of low immune response and damage/death depending on where in my drug cycle I contract it and if my body responds at all.

    • Reading through the study, ~50% of subjects with the new target dosage (100 mcg) had moderate side effects (the larger dose had more and more severe side effects). Moderate side effects are generally described as having “some impact on activity.” The most common ones were fatigue, muscle/joint pain, and headache.

      Imagine taking a vaccine that was meant to give you the confidence to go outside, only you didn’t know the effects would last and you had a 50% chance of side effects that are bad enough that you’d probably stay home anyway.

      It’s also important to remember these are really small group trials. Each dosage was administered to 30 people (so 90 people total got the vaccine in various doses). Major drugs have been approved with far dicier results from far larger sample groups.

      • How does the 50% moderate side effects compare to other vaccines? Just anecdottally it’s pretty normal for people to have a down day or two after vaccination.

  24. F.King quoted in the GT, “…most likely scenario is a hybrid model, with 40-50% of students attending class in person and the rest receiving instruction via the internet… I’m optimistic (about in-person classes), but I’m quietly losing some optimism…”
    More on social justice and the need for an armed police presence on campus.

    https://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/new-osu-leader-faces-challenges-from-pandemic-calls-for-social-change/article_8b09f808-b8db-58e7-90bf-e6fb1ae60295.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

    • Makes sense to not do the big freshman auditorium classes. You don’t interact with the teacher anyway. You just sit and listen. The labs and more hands on stuff can’t really work online. I think hybrid makes a lot of sense. Though really I think community college with a transfer degree makes a ton of sense too. Plenty of people in engineering did that, they didn’t seem behind at all in the Junior level courses and they saved money.

    • When you say “good thing” that depends on the perspective. From Trump’s perspective it’s a good thing because the CDC gives us bad news based on testing information, which supports community actions to reduce the spread, but it does not support fully opening the economy. If the economy doesn’t open then Trump looks bad. So withholding testing information from the CDC keeps them from making Trump look bad. He doesn’t need additional help with that.

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      CDC hasn’t been reporting tests results accurately. Many testing centers reporting 100 percent positive tests which is a little head scratching.

      Trump supporters like this move, others will come up with theories as to why he needs to control this and won’t like it because they don’t trust him.

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      That fuck knuckle never bought a Goya product in his life. His whole strategy is to add napalm to any controversy. He’ll go down as the most dividing president in history.

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            Actually the law is common knowledge. You don’t have to convince me that CNN is a joke, so is FOX. That said, to say never Trumpers don’t care about facts is funny coming from anyone who supports Trump. Just admit he could do or say ANYTHING, lie about it despite overwhelming evidence and you’d would find a way to justify whatever he did. LMFAO hello pot meet kettle

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            I don’t watch news and my link is from Cornell law school not CNN? I have learned all sorts of information about this law and the Hatch act since 2016. In a normal administration if you violate those then you can be fired, fined and even imprisoned after an ethics review. Trump and his people started violating both within a week of attaining office bringing both laws into the spotlight. There is no enforcement in this morally bankrupt government.

            Projecting your own ignorance by claiming others are ignorant is pathetic.

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            The US legal code is “fake news” to the cult, Trump is the law so if he or anyone around him does it, it is now legal until Trump finds a political enemy that did something similar at which point it will become a crime again (but still legal for Trump and his cronies of course)

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            Trump really is trying to turn his presidency into Idiocracy. Next he’ll be sitting in the oval office with a bag of Doritos and a Gatorade, labels conveniently turned toward the cameras. Then Sonny Perdue will tell us Gatorade is great for crops…

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            So tell me nuclear, when did you pass the bar?

            Thought so.

            It’s more pathetic when someone Who isn’t a lawyer attempts to Interpret the law. I personally leave that to professionals and laugh at the “internet attorneys” such as yourself.

            But I’m the ignorant one.

            And dunceorst, could you be any more of a whiny bitch? FFS, go get laid or something!

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            Uhh…that’s the dumbest thing I have read in awhile. You think only lawyers should know the law? Society is based on laws. We have to know hundreds of laws just to exist in society. Sorry you are so offended that I looked up laws and tried to understand them. Sorry I want to hold politicians to the standards our society is based on. You only need to pass the bar to professionally give law advice or represent another person in legal matters. So yeah you are completely ignorant I guess?

            You do you boo boo but I’m not going to live in blissful ignorance.

          • No shit dick tracy. It isn’t necessary to know or understand 5 CFR 2635.702 or the hatch act to function in society. Which is what you were talking about in the first place, right? If I need an expert on either of those items I’d trust a lawyer over an internet attorney (that’s you, boo boo!). Which was my entire point that clearly went over your head before you went off ASSuming that I choose to ignore knowing or understanding ANY laws.

            I leave the dumbshit posts to your buddy dunceorst.

            But you do you.

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            Okay so don’t read what I say? You seem determined to be triggered that I know a law in the 5 CFR. Are you going to get even more triggered that I have read others in the 5 CFR? What about 10 CFR 50 cause I have read most of that multiple times. If you don’t like my interpretation then feel free to read it yourself or go ask a lawyer. Plenty of lawyers are very upset about this picture.

            Good luck sleeping on that weird pile of internet rage you have for a pillow.

            Edit: I went back and read your post and you actually never made that point at all. You just made a gotcha statement that I’m not a lawyer and shouldn’t talk about laws. You literally said it’s pathetic for someone who isn’t a lawyer to try to interpret laws. You didn’t mention any laws specifically so I guess you are terrible at making points. I stand by that it was super dumb.

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            Lol at gysot….

            Guessing you have the poison Kool-Aid ready don’t you?

            You’re a good little Brainwashed cult member aren’t you, you wanna a cookie?

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            Internet rage? Wasn’t the one that was triggered and called our president an “utter piece of shit”. Again, that was you boo boo.

            I also don’t get upset and turn into a blathering crybaby just by hearing or reading the name Trump.

            And if plenty of lawyers are upset over this instance? Their opinion holds more weight than an internet attorney with any sane person.

            Newsflash, you’re still not an expert on the hatch act just because you read it. Or the 5 CFR. And as such, an “internet attorney”. Sleep well, boy.

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            No, I’m guessing you cum in your pants at every mention of Trump.

            He’s your dream guy, dumb, unAmerican, bigoted….just like you.

          • I wish I could cum in my pants at the mention of anything, even Trump. That sounds awesome. Laundry bill wouldn’t be awesome, though.

          • This is absolutely true he is only held to the emolument clauses. It’s just a norm that past president’s followed it as a guideline.

            To my understanding any person,except the president, who is a federal employee is beholden to the law.

          • You still haven’t made any point. He is violating the law even if it doesn’t apply to him. A fireman can J-walk even if he isn’t going to be charged. It’s called norms and standards and it’s being trodden all over. I never claimed to be an expert on the law either, I linked it so people can read it to understand why it’s upsetting if they felt like understanding another person’s anger.

            Yeah he is a peice of shit and he did make me angry because he’s prostituting himself in the oval office to a bean CEO while we are being steamrolled by a pandemic, massive unemployment and a government that is busy leveraging the future to corporate interests over helping the people. You seem to think you are owning a lib though, congrats.

          • “5 CFR § 2635.702 – Use of public office for private gain.
            CFR

            § 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
            An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. The specific prohibitions set forth in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this section apply this general standard, but are not intended to be exclusive or to limit the application of this section.

            (c) Endorsements. An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise except:

            (1) In furtherance of statutory authority to promote products, services or enterprises;”

            “Employee
            Employee means any officer or employee of an agency, including a special Government employee. It includes officers but not enlisted members of the uniformed services. It includes employees of a State or local government or other organization who are serving on detail to an agency, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 3371, et seq. For purposes other than subparts B and C of this part, it does not include the President or Vice President.”

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    Random… just read that Jay Harbaugh, son of Jim, attended Oregon State and is currently the st/rb coach at Mich. How did I not know this and how did he end up at Oregon State? Did Riley promise Jim his son would get to help with the football team if he came there???

    • Yes. That’s exactly what happened. He was an undergrad coach for four years.

      Jay was the guy on the sidelines who signaled in the play.

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    A couple interesting columns in today’s WSJ worthy of a quick digest.

    First, from Holman Jenkins, who has been the most astute analyst of the Covid 19 political/epidemiological nexus.
    “Our media still treats each virus case and death as a failure of political leadership, a standard not applied to auto accidents,, heart-disease diagnoses or flue cases. Headlines shout that rising case counts prove states opened ‘too soon.’ The claim is meaningless: Whenever states reopened, cases were bound to rise because no vaccine exists and the virus is not extinct.”

    The recent surge is a problem nonetheless, but one that revolves around mitigation capacity, not elimination of the outbreak: “The U. S. health-care system is scaled to handle annual bouts of influenza, which can mean 70 Americans out of 100,000 needing hospitalization in a bad year (such as 2014-15), for an average stay of 6.3 days. So far, 107 in 100,000 have been hospitalized with Covid. Their average stay: 11.2 days.”

    How could it have turned out differently: “Maybe a central-planning solution was possible. An absurd article in the Atlantic suggests that, but for the iniquity of Donald Trump and Xi Jinping, the disease might have been contained in China. Huh? The virus was already in Paris, Turin and Milan even before Chinese doctors started warning each other about its existence in social media.”

    As for a return to lock down mode, Jenkins cites former Obama policy guru Cass Sunstein who points out “lockdown costs compound rapidly and eventually become more more destructive than the virus. Certain island nations can tell a different story but a U. S. desire for zero transmissions was always out of sync with the timeline of vaccine development.”

    Then, William Galston, the Journal’s liberal columnist, chimes in on the school question wondering if there’s some compromise solution everyone can adhere to. Getting to the heart of the problem he avers “making schools as resistant to Covid-19 cannot mean making adults [i.e., teachers] as safe from the pandemic as they would be at home. But as several gold-standard studies have emphasized, hunkering down has negative consequences for children and adolescents, including loneliness, lack of physical activity, substance abuse, depression and suicide.”

    The upshot: “This forces us to confront an uncomfortable truth: The interests of students aren’t perfectly aligned with the interests of teachers and staff, for whom Covid-19 could be life-threatening.”

    The solution: worried parents should simply opt-out for remote learning, and those who are not should send their kids to school. Teachers over 50 or those with underlying conditions given priority as remote learning instructors. Since adolescents can be expected to self-supervise to a certain extent, something that can’t be said for the very young, elementary schools should definitely open so their parents can go to work. Because teachers never signed up for this situation, they should be given hazard pay in they teach in-school.

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      Jenkins writes opinion, that is not reporting. May as well post Maddow or Hannity. Anyway, why is he still trying to equate this to the flu? Someone just left Samaritan after 2 plus months, and still isn’t 100% You ever get that with the flu? 140k people in the US have died from covid since Feb-March, with whole states that locked down for weeks. The flu? Maybe 60k in a YEAR. These bozos need to stop with the flu comparison nonsense.

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        A significant proportion of covid-19 cases also result in various forms of cardio-vascular diseases and inflammatory damage to a number of other organs from the immune response. Not to mention far above the number expected cases of kawasaki-like diseases in children and stroke in adults. Not quite like the flu either.

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        The thing is 60k is estimated flu deaths which is typically 2 to 3 times the number of confirmed flus deaths. The 140k is confined COVID deaths. Probably close to 300k if you were to estimate similar to how flu deaths are calculated.

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            And no one who went to Stanford or who was a Rhodes Scholar could possibly have an agenda of their own that’s at odds with yours.

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            The first part is a great point WFO. If two people are presenting information in juxtaposition their opinion and expertise should be judged on as individuals not binned with the perception of their occupation and social class. Even more so it should be judged on what they say and how they back the arguement.

            The second part is just irony since you are implying someone with an elite background doesn’t have valid opinions just as Petti implied, much less rudely, that people in the trades have less vaiid opinions.

    • Got a summary? I won’t have time to watch that. A big help to the death rate is the medical community has gotten better at treating it. Ventilation has become a last resort, treating clotting has helped, proning (laying on your stomach) has been a huge huge treatment aid. Assuming the virus continues affecting the young less this surge should be less deaths. That said serious cases have been recording serious respritory issues that may be permenant. Also organ scarring has been seen.

      • I don’t. It’s twenty minutes with many valid points. Just curious what others think of they have time to watch it.

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    Political so delete if warranted: File under “Shit-you-can’t-make-up”: Feds arresting protestors in downtown Portland, Oregon. I ignore news for a few days…

    Kate and the Puffy cheeto Of The United States getting into it isn’t going to be fun to watch…

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53453077

    “Since at least 14 July, OPB reports, federal agents have been jumping out of unmarked vehicles throughout the city, and grabbing protesters seemingly without cause.

    Video checked by the broadcaster shows a protester, Mark Pettibone, describe how on 15 July he was “basically tossed” into a van containing armed people in body armour.

    Mr Pettibone said he was taken to a holding cell in a federal courthouse, where he was read his arrest rights. After he declined to answer questions, he was released without any citation or arrest record.

    According to OPB, federal officers have charged at least 13 people with crimes related to the protests so far.

    Some have been detained by the federal courthouse that the agents were sent to protect, but others were seized streets away from federal property, reports the Associated Press.”

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      It’s pretty horrifying. Being reported they are border patrol wearing unmarked uniforms.

      As to Kate vs Donald. I’m sure he ignores the issue and just insults her with a clever name like confused Kate and talks about how she’s a bisexual loser.

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          Here is the good question.

          If one of these unmarked illegal combatants tries to kidnap a citizen in the streets and the citizen fires weapon at said illegal combatant in proper self defense, what happens next?

          I’d argue that is exactly what Barr/Trump are trying to cause, larger demonstrations and hopefully protester violence (self defense in reality) so they can justify more illegal combatants in more cities.

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      Reminiscent of the Nazi SS rounding up so called dissidents. If we weren’t concerned prior to this latest series of police state type Gestapo actions, we should be now. I’m certainly not supporting violent protesting but the Constitution is still the core foundation of this country. Once it becomes no longer legally enforceable, we’ve lost virtually everything the founders of this country and those who have ught and died for to do fiercely protect and defend. Our democratic republic is in serious peril and the current leadership on both sides is responsible. May God help all of us through one of the most difficult and trying moments in our country’s history.

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        Trump supporters and conservatives at large couldn’t care less about what the Constitution says, that has been a facade of the conservative movement for years but under Trump they’ve stopped even pretending the Constitution matters.

        Oh sure, they will claim that Trump is the “saving the country and Constitution from evil libs” but the truth is that Donald Trump is the 1st President in thee history of the United States that isn’t a liberal (small l is intentional), the entire US Constitutional system is founded on liberalism (again small l intentionally).

        Up until Trump every conservative Republican President has been a liberal/fiscal conservative with many members of the party falling into the libertarian conservative group (Rand Paul for example) but under Trump they’ve moved to national/cultural/religious conservatism which is in nearly every way is the antithesis to the US Constitution’s devotion to the rule of law, norms, and representative democracy. Conservatives under Trump believe in none of that anymore.

        The right under Trump is a neo-confederate party that wants to force their religious/economic/moral positions on every US citizen regardless of rather it violates the US Constitution. They would support Trump forcibly removing what they view as “undesirables” from the United States. And if you listen to Trump ALL Democrats are the literal enemy.

        Trump sending secret police out to states illegally to illegally detain Americans is the least surprising action, him not doing that and actually trying to unite the nation would have been the surprise.

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        I would be curious (since you said “both sides), how exactly is the Democratic leadership responsible for Trump’s secret police? Or honestly anything Trump has done?

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          Not direct but they are the ones that instituted change to cloture rules when Harry Reid was majority leader. McConnel weaponized that change to a degree no one expected and now there is inaction on everything. This has led to 100% partisanship and allows the president to do whatever with no fear of reprisal. That’s the only thing I can think of.

          Sorry I referred to rules of Senate without passing the Bar.

          • Okay, you are right. Reid got sick of McConnell making the Senate a wasted chamber but that has NOTHING to do with Trump’s abuses of power.

            To deny that McConnell turned the filibuster (something I used to believe strongly in) into a tool used to prevent any legislation from passing and blame it on Reid is silly, sure he could have let the minority leader run the chamber but Mitch would’ve changed the rules at his first chance anyway.

            Which is what I am asking about, how are the Democrats responsible for Trump’s crimes?

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          They play the same kind of political gamesmanship that the republicans do. Neither side can agree on an Omnibus budget and neither side is willing to put aside their political differences and do what’s right for this country. For example, Congress is back from recess on July 20 and they’ll be taking a vote on a 4th stimulus package. It’s pretty common knowledge the Dems are not interested in seeing the economy improve between now and November because if it did, Trump’s chances for re-election drastically improve not to mention the Dems want to take back control of the Senate. If the Dems win the WH and take back the Senate, maybe some of the damage Trump has inflicted can be reversed. Therefore, it’s questionable whether or not the dems will work across the aisle to reach agreement on a stimulus package. They should IMO because that’s what is right for the country but because of the evilness in the WH, and their agreement could improve Trump’s chances for re-election, I’m not going to be shocked if they don’t. The Republicans, on the other hand, want to see a 4th stimulus package approved because they know their majority in the Senate is in jeopardy but improves somewhat if they pass a stimulus package purely for a political agenda. Plus, Trump’s chances improve if the economy shows signs of improvement. So, they’ll do everything they can to show they are helping America through this crisis. This is not my opinion but from what everything I’ve read, the political “experts” on both sides view as happening between now and November.

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            Hundreds of bills are sitting on McConnell’s desk having already passed through the House so I’m calling bullshit.

            Again, HUNDREDS. Including another stimulus, already passed and sitting on McConnell’s desk.

            If the GOP controlled Senate doesn’t like said bills, they can pass their own version than go to conference and IF at that point they can’t agree on a compromise then maybe you’d have a point.

            Till then, you are simply wrong on the facts.

            Again, HUNDREDS of bills sitting on McConnell’s desk.

          • Call it what you will but if you think only one side of the political agenda is being played out, I’ll disagree. Again, an Omnibus budget hasn’t been passed for years due to political pivoting and gamesmanship. Both sides are hell-bent on destroying the other party and the one’s left to pay for their ineffective posturing are We the People…..Congress and the President have apparently forgotten that but you’re entitled to your opinion. When was the last time Congress approved an Omnibus budget? That should give you a little bit of insight about how the political game is played. I’ve seen in first hand on several visits to The Hill talking with and advocating for policy with Oregon’s Congressional Delegation.

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            Never said Democrats NEVER play politics but if that’s what you’ve decided I said, so be it.

            Believe what you want. Mitch McConnell is proud Congress gets nothing done, bragged he was the “Grim Reaper” of legislation in America in the last 9 months but sure, blame the Democrats.

            That said, if you are going to blame the Democrats maybe come with some evidence, they’ve literally already passed another stimulus (you claim they wouldn’t do it for politics) and if you really wanna be honest with yourself you should look up how many Republicans voted for the 2009 stimulus when Obama was President, the number sort of destroys your “both sides play this game” argument but that would force you to actually consider changing your beliefs based on new evidence.

            But sure, using 1 bill that is stuck in political hell is easier because it lets you blame both sides. Easy choice.

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            Also, the House (controlled by Democrats and where the US Constitution requires spending bills to begin) has passed a budget so you are even wrong on that.

            Why won’t McConnell bring it to a vote?

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            I am gonna call myself out because the Senate and Trump signed the budget for Fiscal Year 2020 so now I am not even sure what bill you are claiming Democrats refuse to pass for political reasons.

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    For as many of us who lament these actions, there are probably more who think they don’t go far enough. I think I’ve mentioned my recent favorite word – clusterfuck – seems to say it all.

    • I have been calling all of this a soup sandwich lately. I get a lot of looks and a few nods and the occasional laugh. Anyone else have any original or unusual sayings for these types of situations?

      I think that NCAA will definitely cancel college athletics this year barring some miraculous advance in medicine. There is a lot of money at stake, but the liability likely cancels the benefit.

      I’m in the same boat as others, I am trying to build a new house and have two little kids that keep me busy. It would have been nice to see Beav sports; life will go on.

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    Let’s see so this weekend 2 sitting US Republican Senators posting pictures of themselves with Elijah Cummings and misidentified Elijah Cummings as John Lewis….

    Tell me again why I am supposed to believe Republicans aren’t racist? I mean, 2 Republican Senators can’t tell the difference between Elijah Cummings and John Lewis. Look, I get that Senators look down on all Congresspeople but that is pretty absurd.

  30. https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/pac-12-players-boycott-2020/
    osu players supposably meeting today about it
    https://twitter.com/rudygcarp12/status/1284201711670751232
    Thread- Pac 12 football players have created a list of “demands” 4 the @pac12/Universities 2 take into consideration, if the demands aren’t addressed/complied w/ the players R threatening to sit out the season..There is significant support growing among ALL 12 teams with 50 or
    Interesting times

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        It’s about damn time.

        People will always go back to the “free education” narrative as justification for the stranglehold the NCAA has on student athletes.

        At the end of the day, if they athletes dont feel comfortable playing the game that can benefit them the most moving forward in their lives, shouldn’t that be enough to cancel the season?

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    Welp I skip out for a couple weeks and come back to this? I’m out till some form of college sports returns. All the shit talking political posts is just rediculous. I thought we were all grown adults here, guess not. Have a time arguing with each other!

    • Hey carrots, just wanted to let you your mom has been awesome with the masks. The ear looped ones hurt my ears when wearing for extended periods of time so I asked your mom to make some with bands that go around the head and she did. She’s also kept any eye out for other fabrics and let me know when they’ve been in stock. She rocks!

    • Have seen a handful of highschool players posting that they wont be playing this spring season, because at that point they will have already signed their LOI with a college team so there’s not much upside to playing football for them and risking an injury before college starts.

      • Should only affect the top 1 percent. Great chance for under recruited guys to shine or guys with no college ability to get a lot more high school glory.

  32. Took a brief trip to the dark side and looked at OLive’s asssement of PAC 12 recruiting rankings. According to OLive, OSU is at #10 and will be in bottom third simply because its going to be a class small in number with 12-15 students. They note the quality of Collins at RB (#2 RB pledge in program history behind SJax), the signing of Vidlak, and “California linebacker Easton Mascarenas is a tone-setter as the nation’s No. 11 inside linebacker.” UO currently on pace “to be #1 for third straight year in Pac,” and getting highly ranked WRs, TEs, a QB, and all american tackle and center, and maybe a 5* DE some regard as #1 in nation. If they finish #1 again it will be the first time ever they’ve done that. Cristobal getting highly rated talent (not that it always pans out).

    I like that OSU is improving its LBs and getting those 6’1″ DBs and that should help offset the Ducks WR and TE haul. Smith et al will out-coach Cristobal et al. OSU needs to improve the quality of both lines though.

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      Completely agree. I know I said that we would have a season but that was prior to this current wave being 10X worse than the initial wave.

      We are definitely not having a season. If we would have had a stronger response to this virus to begin with then it might be a different story.

        • They’re still practicing, although i dont think the workouts are formal/mandatory at this point.
          Some teams around the country had to shut down the informal workouts because of positive cases hitting their teams, but the Beavers been one of the more disease free programs in the country, testing wise.

          • Two positive cases at OSU in the last week. I don’t know what sports team at OSU produced the two but it was out of 200 athletes. But say their was two from the football team. Does that mean everyone practicing with them is going to have to quarantine? Yeah, I don’t think we see college sports until Spring.

          • What’s so special about Spring that we have it then?

            Thanks, NB. No way we have a season on time if they’re not even doing mandatory practices 5.5 weeks away from the season.
            I’m skeptical we have a season in the Spring. I don’t see the logic of it. Is that based around the idea there is a vaccine? Viruses mutate quickly – I have no hope for this vaccine. I think the best argument is the virus mutates downward so it’s not as lethal, for its own survival. That makes more sense. But that probably takes much longer than next Spring.

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            It really depends on if people get their heads out of their asses. If everyone is masking and being careful by the end of this week we would probably be back to 20-30 daily cases by mid September.

            I still think a tv only situation is possible but it boils down to liability.

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      More like 10 weeks away as non conf is canceled.

      But it’s not looking good for fall. Maybe we just play Oregon 10 times.

        • So 8.5 weeks.

          I’m super bearish on Scott Barnes figuring anything out. Hopefully this new President has some good feel and sense.

      • Ah, right.
        Still, does all this get sorted in 10 weeks given they’re not even in mandatory training? The legal side of this has to be figured out asap. If businesses and colleges are liable for someone getting covid, you really can’t reopen anything. They will all just get sued and go bankrupt anyway, so as that point you’re picking how you want to go bankrupt. They probably have to be immune from covid lawsuits (i.e. if they follow sanitary protocols) if we want to open, and have a mandatory mask policy. Only thing that makes sense.

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          I don’t know how much of this falls on Barnes or King. It’s a national issue, they can really only control their cost spend at this point.

          But yeah, it does seem like fall season won’t happen. But we’ll see how pro sports do first.

    • Huge get for the staff as they beat out Baylor, where both her parents went to school, for a player in their own backyard. Granted it’s a big backyard but still.

    • I called it a couple of weeks ago on AB although I don’t think I was going too far out on a limb when I said I though Rueck would use Taylor Jones’s connection to a Christian HS in TX to help get Adlee to commit to OSU. Her recruiting video looks pretty solid. I think she’s going to be quite a player and Rueck is quietly putting together a juggernaut of a team. I also understand the Aquino is still on the team and that may be very good news as maybe she’s finally been cleared to play whenever WBB starts….

  33. MLB opening day is Thursday! And no one cares that it took them this long to start and all the pay issues they had. We just want sports back!

    Madrigal looks like he’s on the outside looking in.
    Adley just gets to workout everyday. Only injuries will get him on the roster.
    Boyd gets the call for opening day start.
    Fry, gaviglio, conforto all on opening day rosters.

    Don’t know of anyone else on a roster.

    • NBA starts tomorrow too. At least their exhibition/warm up games start tomorrow. Then the remaining part of the regular season and playoffs will start up towards the end of July. I’m actually looking forward to some NBA exhibition games. Hope they’re televised.
      Not sure if any Beavs are in the NBA that will play these games. Drew Eubanks and Gary Payton II may be the only guys due to get any minutes.

        • You think that’s too optimistic, even given OSU LBs, QB, RB, WRs, TE and the Pac 12 coaching changes? WSU and UW with new HC, UO has new O coordinator…OSU would appear to have the best continuity and most of the player pieces in place to contend. I am not recalling how scheduling lines up, and that is often a factor.

        • I agree – this could have been our year. Our LBs would have been a force, coaching continuity would have really helped us.

          There’s downside of course but serious upside too. I don’t think contending for the North is at all a stretch.

  34. God damn biased Oregonian will write a hundred stories about how great the duck recruits are and then a story about our damp punter? These dog faced pony soldiers are taking marching orders every day to make our program look bad! Totally unfair!

    • Not sure if he’s mission bound, but that’s a concern since he’s committing out of Utah. Something to keep an eye on.

        • Wow, that’s great news. This just doesnt seem like a typical Beaver DL signing.
          A DLineman with an LSU and Tennessee offer, from out of state, who isn’t LDS and i good enough student to enroll early? What’s the catch? Haha

  35. Probably moot, given the chances of a fall season are pretty slim.
    Does anybody know how many games we’re supposed to play with a conference only schedule?
    Seems like the max number of games would be 11, assuming we play everybody once. But doesnt that hurt our conference chances of earning bowl bids? By playing only conference teams, you’re guaranteed more conference losses. Plus with only 11 games instead of 12, you have 1 less opportunity to earn a 6th win. Seems like the conference is only hurtimg itself financially by goimg this route, with a smaller pool of potential bowl teams to earn the conference extra bowl revenue.

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      Logistically I don’t think it makes much sense to change the schedules at all. It would be a huge task. Honestly I think the shift makes no sense if the goal isn’t just more time before the season starts. For viral spread it doesn’t make any sense for the California or Arizona teams to come to Oregon/Washington/Utah/Colorado at all. If the goal is halting spread by reducing regional cross over them you cancel the season outright. If the goal is to buy time to control outbreaks then you cancel, move to spring or at the very least cancel the NC games to buy another 4 weeks. Just canceling NC is literally the least impactful of those 3 in terms of virus considerations.

      • Just noticed that NFL cancelled pre-season (4 weeks) and reduced training camp roster size.

        A Harris poll indicates most Americans don’t expect NFL or College Football this fall – https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/07/21/poll-most-americans-do-not-believe-football-played-2020/5482999002/

        I don’t expect a full NFL or College season. I suspect one or both may try, then end up scrapping their respective seasons.

        In the longer term, 2021 or 2022, I expect another effort to a more normative slate of sports. But what will the changes be to the fan experience going forward? Consider the changes to office space/commercial properties – tele-commuting is likely going to seriously hurt that sector of real estate. How about LV Raiders and LA Rams/Chargers: Brand new, crazy expensive stadiums that might not have a future of full capacity? Obviously every stadium will be impacted, but these recent builds start out in a massive hole if they can’t fill the stadiums. For the optimist, maybe its worth looking at examples like Japan, where masks seems to be socially accepted, and the pandemic conditions seem better. Will they continue to attend baseball? What other major sport do they attend in mass: soccer? I honestly don’t know. We haven’t seen yet that Americans are willing to socially accept masks, but it may yet happen.

        And with younger fans caring less about “major” sports like football, does the pandemic increase the rate of decreased attendance? Lots of speculation.

  36. Nice birthday video if Steven Jackson NFL runs on OSU beavers football twitter. Too bad he never got to play for a real contender.

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    Just had an idea for the Beavs OLine recruiting. Stop recruiting highschool kids and start recruiting moms.
    I keep seeing videos of these mom walls that look nearly inpenetrable. And then the rest of the kids can hide behind them.

    • Interesting. Pac12 betting on current spikes coming down at the end of July. Only way season could start in Sept.

      But good news I guess? that there is a plan with contingencies built in.

      • Thousands of people crowded into a few city blocks every night in downtown portland isnt going to help numbers in this state.
        California is already leading the country in total cases and climbing rapidly.
        I dont anticipate those spikes coming downwards any time soon

  38. Anyone else starting to get the feeling that this season will be a luck O da Beavs? With a all these changes I can totally see the Beavs starting out 3-0 or something with the roster we have this year and then the season being scrapped. Then we will always remember it as what could have been.

  39. OT: Mike Tyson fighting exhibition match against Roy Jones Jr? Couple of 50+ year olds going 8 rounds? What the hell? I guess its not really new for boxing, which has done this kind of thing long ago. Apparently, nostalgia takes more forms than I appreciated….

  40. WSU canceled in person classes for the fall. Not good news. They were going to be the guinea pigs for other schools. Especially OSU given both are college towns far from major population centers.

  41. MLB pretty rough to watch. They should replace the home plate ump with a robot strike zone. Angel Hernandez is so bad I’d rather see that or the honor system.

    • No, never. That is the dumbest of all of Manfred’s dumb ideas.

      I’m not watching anyway because of Manfred’s destruction of the sport but robo umps are just a ridiculous idea.

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            I’d take the honor system over robo umps. There is a solution to Hernandez, replace him with a different human.

            Sorry but pitch framing is a legitimate skill in baseball, catchers spend years learning it. Get rid of it and catching becomes a much less important position. Devaluing positions is a bad way to improve your sport.

            But ultimately I still don’t accept the DH has being a legit position in the sport of baseball and now I am suppose to accept ghost runners in extra innings and managers not being allowed to use their rosters (chess pieces) as they see fit (3 batter rule).

            Baseball is the one sport that isn’t suppose to change, that is the sports greatest charm.

            But chasing 20 something that won’t be watching on TV anyway by alienating the 40 something fans is Manfred’s new mission in life.

            Honestly, whatever. I might catch a Mariners game now and then but the sport is ridiculous at this point. They literally changed how many teams make the playoffs today, AFTER teams had to set their 60 man and 30 man rosters. You don’t think some teams might have considered different choices had they known 16 teams instead of 10 will make the playoffs? Of course they would. You probably don’t even need to play .500 ball to make the playoffs in 2020.

          • Joe West has made a nice living off his volatile umping. I think he put out albums and stuff. Probably the highest paid ump ever. I assume you meant Joe West and not Jim West. If you mean Jim West I have no idea who that is. The thing is, Joe West is a much better ump than Angel Hernandez. CB Bucker was the worst umpire I’ve ever seen, and Angel Hernandez is 2nd.

          • “CB Bucker was the worst umpire I’ve ever seen, and Angel Hernandez is 2nd.”
            You can put Mark “you beaked me!!” Buchanan up there too.

    • The lack of fans had a bigger effect than I expected. It definitely reduced the excitement, and just made the whole thing feel like we were watching a practice. I imagine viewership is going drop significantly after the first week.

  42. OSU OL recruiting needs to improve. We keep whiffing on our main targets every year. Probably our weakest position group for recruiting with this staff.

    • MBB with Coach Tinkle has gotten several well-regarded players – not going to look them up – some with good offers from good schools. They never seem to pan out. Without my knowing a damn thing about it or having the slightest idea how college performance vs recruiting outlook compares at OSU, Tinkle never seems to bring them along. That and his players not improving dampens any excitement I might have for MBB at OSU. (Those and the tv cameras zeroing in on the Tinkle sisters.)

  43. Anyone else suffering from depression due to this covid issue? Last night I got hit hard with it…mainly because I don’t see this ending for five years or so. Life on hold for half a decade or longer. I don’t buy into the vaccine stuff. Viruses mutate pretty much immediately, and nobody is going to want to take a rushed vaccine. Only hope with that virus is it mutates to a less lethal version of itself. I think seeing MLB in such a depressing state, and realizing I haven’t seen my friends since Feb…

    • This is certainly a difficult time for more reasons than just Covid-19. But, in regards to the virus in particular:
      Viruses mutate. Almost all mutations are disfunctional and won’t survive. Surviving mutations aren’t so different that a typical vaccine won’t work to some degree; lessening the severity at least. This corona virus in particular was quite slow in mutating. This was evident very early when Seattle having discovered multiple independent infections that were all the same genetically. This led the epidemiologists to believe that the virus spread much faster than in actually did because of the identical genetic make-up of the virus in separate infections. This in turn caused Seattle to to shut things down much sooner than they would have otherwise. A ‘mistake’ that ended up being better than the ‘right’ answer.

      There will be multiple vaccines available in the coming months/year. Hopefully at risk people will get it first. There will be enough testing before they get around to me to know that it is generally safe. The ability to treat the disease will also improve. Can something happen? Sure, but I can also die in a car accident later today. We all have to manage risk.

      I feel your pain, though, as my fears and hopes wax and wane through the number of issues facing or country.

    • You taking about local friends? Meet up and hang with them on the porch if you are that worried. Mask up too if you want. Your risk of transmission would be so low in an outdoor setting and even lower if masked. I’ve been battling a bit of anxiety lately and probably some depression that comes and goes, not sure if it is covid related or exacerbated. Though I am not much of a bar guy and have 2 young kids so Covid isn’t really much of a factor… would be stuck at home a lot anyway.

        • I’ve been lucky, other than work (which is hot garbage at this point and I cannot wait to get back in a regular classroom) my social life got pretty much back to normal pretty quickly when things re-opened on May 15 plus I never stopped golfing with my friends.

          That is too bad your friends are that worried. I have one friend whose wife is at risk so he will only hangout if we are hanging outside (even though he goes to work everyday still) but beyond that most of the people I know have got about their social lives as normal as possible.

          Guess that is one advantage of having a bunch of Foxnews watching friends LOL.

    • I’m really not too concerned with the virus itself and the but am more bothered by the long term disruption it is causing. Most of that centers around schooling and work time in my family. Kids starting K amd 2nd grade and having to be full time distance learning means my wife has to stay home 1 more year and 1 more year long delay to her being able to re-join the work force. The at-home battles with kids trying to get them to focus on bullshit distance learning apps that cause more frustration and are short on actual learning.
      Considering just keeping my K aged child out of school this year and having him start a year late, since he’s a tweener anyway. And another year of working from home 100% of the time, in my basement, is depressing.
      But all in all I feel like these are all minor and temporary inconveniences and we’ll carry on.

      I think as a Beaver fan, I’ve learned to cope with disappointment and the depression that comes with it by just having zero expectations for anything and anybody.
      On the downside, you dont get to enjoy the highs from things/people exceeding your expectations when you have no expectations.

      • Nicebeav-

        Not sure how “tween” your youngster is. But I’m a late September kid and my oldest is an early September kid and I can tell you the best thing you can do for them is to hold them back that extra year. I started school at 5 and graduated at 17. I didn’t get my license and get to drive til I was a junior. I put on 25# and damn near 2″ my first year in the Marine Corps. By all rights I should/could have still been a senior in high school.

        I held my oldest back that extra year and it has proven to be a good decision. An extra year of mental development and physical growth is a distinct advantage as he makes his way through middle school.

        • He’s a July birthday. Could really go either way. Would suck to have him 3 years behind his sister who is also a July birthday, but 2 years apart.
          But i can see the benefits to being one of the older kids in the class. No reason to be in a hurry to grow up either.

    • Not quite depressed, but I do feel an innate urge to return to prior social patterns and am frustrated not to be able to. I know it is getting hard on some older family members who are getting tired of the isolation.

      The “new norm” also impacts my sense of time and I lose track of what day it is. My mom said the same thing.

      Having a school-aged kid experience this is frustrating as my kid really misses school. I’m not a big supporter of the distance learning as implemented. I think i can work remotely at least through the end of the year, and that would help with “home schooling.” I’m also – perhaps insanely – considering resigning from my job. That’s just due to workplace politics though. I tell myself its crazy to be unemployed in this pandemic, and needing to go out and get insurance for me and my kid, but the work-related dissatisfaction is very high and distracting. I’m reasonably confident I could go a year and likely find work within that time frame, particularly with remote-work becoming the new norm.

      In my job, I tell staff to be vigilant about morale, and to be extra patient and understanding given that we’re at best maybe halfway through this. There’s lots of anxiety and fear about both the virus, family members health, and threat of furlough. Its tough to maintain morale. I could see people actually getting depressed.

    • I would also add I have friends in the restaurant industry, and this is really hitting them hard. The financial stress leading to marital stress and increased drinking from the sounds of it. I think there is a real risk of genuine depression for them.

    • No depression, but I dont seem to remember much from March/April/May/June. Time seems to be on hyper speed for me. I was never furloughed and have been working OT almost every week since this shit started. Nothing has really changed other then limiting trips to the store and wearing a mask in public.
      On a good note I have completed my summer/fall of 2020 home improvement plans and am moving on to the 2021 plan.

      • “…I have completed my summer/fall of 2020 home improvement plans and am moving on to the 2021 plan.” Or, you could finish out my 2020 plan and not get so far ahead of yourself?

        Congrats on the progress, making great use of your time.

        • Lol, I’ve been recruited by my inlaws to hang a 10×20 cover for their porch this weekend. And of course its going to hit 100 degrees on the weekend they pick.

    • I’m right there with you brother on this one. It hit me hard last night as well. I don’t play music but used to go out every weekend to listen to my favorite local bands, hangout with my peeps and enjoy the great times. Now, nothing….period. Work, to the gym, golf and home. That’s it and it’s getting tougher and tougher to handle with each day that passes. That said, you think the virus will be around for 5 years? I’m not sure why but the Spanish flu lasted for 1.5-2 years and was much more lethal than Covid as it killed 50M people globally. I think in about 12 months or so, we see the down side of this thing (hopefully) and then maybe, just maybe we can get back to playing and listening to some music. If not, it’s going to be more of the same old crap day in and day out. Hang in there Angry although there isn’t much choice at this point.

      • Coronaviruses are not influenza viruses, they don’t work the same way. So using the Spanish Flu as a reference isn’t the best choice.

        Scientists don’t even know how many different types of coronaviruses infect humans since most cause nothing worse than a common cold so they haven’t been studied in anywhere near the detail influenza viruses have.

        And the Spanish Flu has come back multiple times since that pandemic (2009 being the last time) we’ve just found better ways to treat influenza since 1918

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      I don’t really get why they don’t just play 11 games and play a full round robin. If you are already adding games back in is 11 really any riskier than 10?

      • They made the schedule so it can be adjusted. Two bye weeks built in. Championship game date is flexible.

        One more game means less flexibility.

        • I get the desire for flexibility but I just don’t see how an 11th game is somehow harder to make work than 10, as you said the week of the championship game is already flexible.

          I don’t know, playing 10 games in a 12 team conference is just silly to me. But since I doubt they play at all I guess I’m just gonna go with a whatever.

      • I’d rather they found a way to keep 1 geographically close FCS team on everybody’s schedule.
        For instance PSU had Oregon State and Arizona(i think?) originally. Why not swap and have them play both oregon and OSU?
        Minimal travel. Serves as a tune up game. The FCS teams heavily depend on the revenue for their athletic programs to survive, and you add a near guaranteed win towards bowl eligibility for every conference team.
        By only playing conference teams and less overall games, you’re guaranteeing less bowl eligible wins for the conference as a whole and more bowl revenue to get diverted to other conferences.

          • Must be the lack of ticket sales driving this decision, since these games don’t typically get air time on major networks.
            Wonder what the trade off is when contrasted with the reduction in shared bowl rev though?
            Maybe they think the number of bowl eligible teams won’t change enough to justify hosting an empty stadium. Although it’s not like those FCS games draw much of a crowd anyway

  44. Regarding being depressed, I’m not much of a socializer any more, so I don’t think it’s brought me down a lot. I feel bad for my kids if it’s still 100% online learning this fall. One is an incoming senior. My 13-year-old played his first baseball game last week in Marion County and I had a feeling of euphoria/contentment watching the game. Although, I will say that the “Marionites” at the ballpark were not taking social distancing very seriously.

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    I have a feeling shit is about to really hit the fan. Just got word of a coworker testing positive. Down here in Corvallis. Hope I am wrong for sure.

  46. Anybody know the story behind Patricia Morris transferring to TCU? Seems like we would have been due to have a pretty talented squad again this year again, but losing some vet contributors like Slocum and Morris while also losing Pivec and Tudor will be alot to make up for. Also, who plays guard alongside Goodman this year?

    • I think incoming guard Sasha Goforth might play alongside Goodman. She’s a 5-star recruit with great credentials coming out of Arky and is a FR in the 20-21 season. It’s a lot to ask of an incoming freshman, but if she’s as good as advertised, it’s a possibility.

    • I think Morris transferred purely for playing time. Rueck rarely plays deep into his bench and there won’t be much time for her anymore. Especially if Aquino is cleared to play and Brown isn’t considered out for the season.

      G – Goodman, Goforth, Simmons, Samuel, Mannen,
      Wing – Corosdale, Mack
      F – Jones, Brown
      C – Aquino, Mitrovic

      Would be nice if they picked up one more guard for depth. Outside Goodman, not sure who could handle the point. No idea what kind of handles, goforth or samuel have.

  47. Hard for me to understand why psu would sue osu for not playing them given the circumstances. Even if the beavs wanted to play them, conference wouldn’t let them. If they do sue and osu has to pay, I’d never play them again

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    Watching the Cubs-Brewers. Forgot about CB Buckner above. He’s probably the worst. Gotta get robots back there. Who cares about framing pitches…? Stealing strikes < actual strikes.

      • Just curious, have you watched any games with a robot ump yet? Robot umps aren’t as flawless as you must think they are. I watched a couple Fall League games last year with them, it was unwatchable and multiple times you’d see the batter, catcher, and ump be confused by the call.

        But it is coming soon anyway so you will get your wish.

          • Did you watch the video in the link? That was a robot calling it a strike and I am not going to argue rather it was or wasn’t but I will argue no one in that stadium including the pitcher believed that pitch was a strike. The ump even tells the batter “its not me”

            Sorry, at least when umps give a pitcher a few inches off the plate it is usually because the pitcher is consistently hitting a spot vs. a robot making a call everyone in the stadium is confused by.

          • The problem is that humans have very limited visual cognition. The robot can see and compute every microsecond of the pitch. It’s not surprising that humans perceive reality different than a machine. The machine uses only data and all of the data (or way more data than humans can use). Humans have to fill in a lot of gaps in the data a draw conclusions based on what they think they see. So yeah, when something happens as quickly as a mlb pitch, it’s pretty likely that a human will “see” it differently than a machine.

          • Cool, I still say the pitch in the video I posted hasn’t been a strike for 140 years and isn’t a strike now.

            But to each their own. I haven’t watched a game since spring training so Manfred can create whatever new game he wants.

            Once it reaches the excitement of Blernsball maybe I’ll come back.

          • Cool, still bet if you polled every non-pitcher who has ever played the game beyond high school on rather they’d rather a pitch 6 inches outside be called a strike over that pitch being called a strike.

            As I said, I will wait for Blernball, you guys enjoy Manfred League Baseball.

          • Fair,

            I’ll just let Adam Eaton say it because his words justify my position better than I can.

            “It’s part of the game,” Nationals outfielder Adam Eaton said of umpire error after Game 5 of the World Series, in which his team lost out on several questionable calls. “It’s what makes baseball great. Sometimes you’re on the bad end of it, and it’s not all that fun, but that’s baseball.”

            I’m just glad that at least for this year the Stanley Cup Playoffs are about to start so I won’t have any trouble avoiding Manfred’s Frankenstein sport.

          • And you have the right to not respond to me. So what if your point?

            I don’t care if you agree with me or not, I don’t care if you hate me or not, you are just some dude on an internet blog I will never meet in real life.

            So feel free to respond or not respond as you see fit and I will do the same.

    • Seems like they could have something in the ball or its threads that interacts with the plate and/or unis to detect whether or not its over the plate and in the zone.

  49. Went to my first live “sporting” event yesterday. Took my son down to the drag races. Was pretty great. We had an entire bleacher to ourselves, got to watch some amazing machines race down the track. Great summer weather, noisy cars, no people around, outdoor setting. Was pretty much perfect. I highly recommend

  50. How do you guys see Adley and Madrigal projecting?
    I’m in a fantasy league that holds an 8 round minor league draft. Both guys are out there. I’m learning toward other prospects I like more, but curious to hear thoughts.

    • Rutschman in fantasy will be great. There’s a high probability he’ll eventually have the best fantasy stats of any catcher in the MLB, but he won’t get called up until 2021 or later.

      Madrigal is probably a ~40ish prospect for fantasy. I wouldn’t draft him unless you need BA and a 2020 callup.

    • For fantasy there’s many different reasons to consider, really depends on how the stats are scored.

      Pure baseball, both project as above average players for their position offensively and defensively.

      For fantasy, madrigal will be a good hitter with few strikeouts but little to no power.

      Adley projects in the buster Posey, Joe Maurer type.

      Would take a look at Trevor larnach too. Not a sleeper but one who can be missed.

  51. Where’s that guy who was mocking me (“shiny rock”, yada yada) for telling people to buy gold at 1250?
    Another critic who left with their tail between their legs…

  52. Regarding depression/friends refusing to hang out, glad to say one came by yesterday, and we talked and are going to have an outdoor, distanced block party in a few weeks. This should really help.

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