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If Gebbia can’t go, and it’s looking that way, would you rather see Noyer or Nolan start?

From what I’ve seen of Noyer, he has better leadership skills than Nolan. Nolan has the advantage of knowing the offense better. Both seem equally good runners, but Noyer looks a bit thicker in the lower half and like he could maybe break some tackles. He also seems fearless, like a guy who would dive for first downs, etc.

Noyer seems the slightly better pick, but it’s a question of how much Nolan’s experience matters. Lindgren said that Noyer is making mistakes in practice, and he attributed those to not knowing the system yet and/or being hesitant.

This is a tough call. I’d probably give Noyer the slight lean, but I’m not confident in the pick. Hopefully Gebbia can return this weekend and make it all moot.

209 COMMENTS

  1. It’s a toss up to me. I’d go with whoever is going to limit mistakes and let the run game lead the offense.

    Has Nolan improved and matured? He looked overwhelmed in his starts last season. Noyer’s in his fifth year, so he’s not going to be intimidated by being on the road. Noyer also seems more capable running the option.

    I guess Noyer, but I’m equally nervous either way.

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    Nolan starts if he has figured stuff out since last year.

    That said I’m pretty sure Gebbia starts and were just seeing him get some rest.

  3. Season opener on the road versus a similar quality team, go with who will make the least mistakes as Purdue will have the same issues and hopefully the defense can force turnovers.

  4. I think you start Noyer and see how he manages the game. Unfortunately, there’s no JJ type dominant RB or Hodgins type receiver to take the pressure off the QB, therefore, beavers are going to need consistency and production from the QB more so than the last few years. The beavers just don’t appear to have any dominant skill offensive players yet but maybe someone steps up to fill that role. At this point, nobody has proven to be a star threat. This is an opportunity for someone to make a statemennt and be the guy to lead the offense. Under the circumstances, I’m not overly optimistic that anyone on the offense possesses the star wow factor.

    • With good OL play, you don’t really need a star RB, just someone good that can hit the holes that are there. We have 4-5 of those guys on the roster.

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      • Can you recommend the best RO system? I was researching them, and there are hundreds. It’s overwhelming. With all the fire retardant foam being sprayed around the West, no water is going to be safe. I can’t believe in 2021 we’re still doing this behavior…

    • No, but i happened to watch highlights from last year’s Purdue/Minnesota game. Glad Moore is off to the NFL, because he was extremely active in that game. And Purdue had the game winning touchdown called back for some phantom offensive PI call when replay showed there wasn’t even any contact. Minnesota was lucky to escape with that W last year. And Purdue looks pretty dangerous, offensively.

      Their kicking game and defense sucked, so hopefully that’s where the Beavs will have an advantage.

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        Thanks for the recall. It’s my alma mater and my daughter who is an OSU grad will be flying in from NYC to join me. I’ll be there with my orange pants, custom black and orange Chuck Taylors, and Purdue shirt on. I’m really stoked just to see old friends who are still in West Lafayette (where I grew up). Purdue is in my blood but I’m also a near equivalent Beav fan. Being as objective as I can, I give the win to the Beavs by 10. I think Purdue’s secondary is kind of a mess. Purdue’s fullback, Horvath, is a bruiser and fun to watch though.

    • I’m going. I’ve been to all the Big10 games since I moved out here. I feel much better about this being a good game as opposed to Ohio State.

  5. Go with Noyer. The Beavs have to attack Purdue on the ground, and nothing opens up the TE passing game more than having a running quarterback. Nolan is too jittery to start the first game at a hostile stadium.

    Who ever takes snaps next Saturday needs to be a game manager and limit the number of possessions Purdue gets.

  6. I like Noyer’s heart and leadership but his interception rate at CO, in a system he was established in, makes his knowledge of the Beav playbook a critical factor. He’ll need a terrific day in practice today to swing the needle his way, otherwise I’d expect Nolan to start.

    This squad isn’t ready (yet) to recover from many TO’s.

      • My guess, he’ll keep it secret until late in game week so Purdue has to plan for both QBs. Or even Gebbia.

        No harm in keeping them guessing while he and the starter will know who is going to play all week long.

        Same as civil war a couple years ago. No one outside the program knew until Gebbia walked into the field that he was starting. And he knew all week he was.

        • The Purdue HC has already said that they have decided on their QB but won’t announce it for a few days.
          JS needs to close practice during game week, make a decision, and get reps for his guy. Then, as you say, announce late in the week.

          UPDATE: Purdue has made their announcement, see Nicebeaver’s entry below.

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    First game is a must win IMO… Nolan knows the system and was close to a few big upsets last year with no real camp. Maybe he’s turned the corner?

  8. I wonder which of the two is better at reading defenses? That’s one of Gebbia’s strengths, then changing the play call.

    I’d suggest starting Noyer, but would try and give Nolan a few series in the second and third quarters if the Beavs happen to have good conditions (lead, field position).

    I’m sure Coletto will get some snaps if they have a series inside the 10 yard line.

    • “Jackhammer” Colletto will get snaps in short yardage situations both inside and outside the 10.
      He’s a savvy player, I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t throw a few passes this season.

  9. Noyer only has this one year of eligibility before he’s out, while Gebbia can sit out or play little this season while he heals up and Nolan and Vidlak have multiple years of eligibility. So, I’m thinking start Noyer, bring Gebbia off the bench if he is able and let Nolan and Vidlak fight it out for supremacy two seasons down the line. Noyer has the most Pac-12 experience and did a good job at Colorado last year after being thrown into the job. Go Beavs!!

  10. Whichever QB can hit our receivers/TEs in stride should be the guy. They’re our best offensive weapon. If they can be put in a position to create yards after catch, we’ll have our most success. I just dont see the run game winning any games for us this year. Have we had a single long TD run reported in any practice report this offseason? Jefferson was able to rip at least one off per game it seemed like and that often changed the complexion of the game for us.

    • In the film I watched Noyer did just that several times. I forgot which game it was but he hit a guy perfectly in stride on a slant and it resulted in a long TD. If the guy had to slow down at all he would’ve been caught but because it was perfect he was able to pull away for the score. It looked like he had quite a few long TDs and deep balls which could be huge for this team and its speed at receiver. Haven’t had much of a deep passing game for awhile. Even with Luton he completed more mid range than deep balls and Hodgins wasn’t a deep threat at all.

    • Pretty sure we should all know by now. It’s been pretty I obvious I think. There were only a few positions in question on both sides of the ball.

  11. Purdue chooses junior Jack Plummer as their starter at QB.
    He didnt start at the beginning of the 2020 season but did later. He was QB against Minnesota and looked pretty good in the highlights I saw. Nothing flashy, just a solid QB who knew how to get the ball to his playmakers.
    Film link from Minnesota below:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=339JjjMicZ4

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      Ya I watched highlights from them last year. He’s the more mobile of the 2. Jake plummers son. They have 2 good WRs. Bell is really good.

      • Hey NB, I remember that PI call. It did look terrible, but there was another angle that showed the TE push off with full arm extension to get separation. The call was correct.

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    I just watched some of David Bell’s film from last year (Purdue WR) and he’s insane. We need to make him a focus point for the defense otherwise we might bet 10 catches for 150yrds and 2 TDS put on us. I’m more confident in our secondary now then ever though.

    • I have too and agree. His QBs have a lot of trust in him to make plays and he does. Granted those are highlights tho. It will be a good test for Wright and to see just how good he is. I would hope that he follows him instead of letting Austin get matched up with him. Also agree that the secondary should be .uch better this year. Could be like the OK. State receiver that killed us a couple of years ago other than he’s their main weapon opposed to Okie st. Having Hubbard and Spencer. Really think our pass rush will be much better and it will have to be. He should be the focus of the defense. Although the other receiver isn’t too shabby I think you have to try to take Bell away.

      • What makes you think our pass rush will be much better? Other than hoping Gumbs can stay healthy and play, there isn’t really anyone who has shown a consistent ability to get QB pressure on the roster. Rawls seemed to get in the backfield and make plays than most of our other d linemen but apparently he hasn’t been able to beat out Anderson and Sandberg!?? Strange.

        • Not only Gumbs but add in Saluni who is the largest of them all and Franke. Also depth increased, depth, strength, size, experience, knowledge in system, conditioning, full offseason, coaches familiarity with players and strengths, Better secondary making qb hold the ball longer, camp reports of it being better. I think there are plenty of reasons to think it will be better. Factor in Sio being able to push the center into a QBs lap and force him out of the pocket as well.

        • Sio will suprise. He’s doing well against an OSU OLine that is pretty good.

          Sure, he’s raw, but 340+ pounds of explosive strength driving the middle is going to create some opportunities for others.

      • Ya I think Austin was going to beat him out tho so both him and Wright need to stay healthy until we get him and Robinson back. Austin was decent but struggled some last year but sounds like he’s made some real strides as Blue and Tibs both have mentioned him. I’m a little worried about his temper too as I remember him getting at least 1 stupid late hit penalty last year at a critical time.

        I think Wright can handle him somewhat too but wish he had the Hawaii game or something first to get his feet wet before going up against 1 of rhe best receivers in college football and 1 of the best he’ll face all year. Like I said it will be a good test and hopefully he shadows Bell.

  13. It’s really tough to say who should start without being able to watch them practice. From what I’ve seen Noyer has the best arm. He has a lot of power and can be very accurate. He’s also fairly fast and runs with good power for a qb. The interceptions are a concern for me tho. This team can win a lot of games by just protecting the ball IMO. This team was close to winning a lot of games for that reason. If the defense can force some more TOs this year I think I think they will definitely win a lot more games.

  14. Watched the Purdue vs Minnesota highlights NB posted. Purdue’s defense is really bad and it doesn’t sound like a hey did much to improve it. Their offense mostly revolved around Moore either directly or misdirection. RB were okay, not scary. Plummer is a good qb. He’s accurate, decent decision maker, good arm and just as crafty as his dad scrambling.

    The biggest thing that worried me was their use of TE in the passing game. Lots of delays and sneaky drags in the flat that are easy for the defense to lose.

    Overall they kinda looked like crap against a not great Gopher team. I am glad Moore had moved to the NFL

    • They fired their DC (ex-Riley DC Bob Diaco), so that may lead to some improvement (though they’re likely still learning a new system).

      • The main thing I saw was their D-Line had zero push and their line backers were very slow to react. Instead of getting in lanes they would wait to see the ball carrier before they started to move. Thats a recipe for getting blown by and making RB’s look like super stars.

      • Diaco was replaced by three coaches who are brand new to the organization, they all carry the “Co-DC” title.
        The over/under for this game is 65; I don’t think scoring is gonna be a big problem for the Beavs.
        IMHO this one is up to Tibs and his improving D,

  15. Still havent had any success getting this crappy CBS Sports website to let me set up a Pickem league for the group. I’ll be out till Sunday night. If anybody else wanta to give it a shot this weekend, feel free to set a league up and i can help spread the link around when i get back.
    Otherwise, I’ll try again Sunday night. Hopefully it’s just a case of the site not going live until game week. Very typical for the CBS site. Advertise something but fail to actually deliver what is advertised

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    Does anyone think Smith will be on the hot seat if he doesn’t produce a winning season and a bowl game appearance this season? Why or why not?

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      Hot seat, yes. 4 years of losing records isn’t tolerated anywhere. But he’s not getting canned unless they pull an Andersen special and completely implode.

      He’ll get more slack if he closes out the best recruiting class in program history and Barnes thinks it looks like there’s improvement and enough moral victories. Last season, for example, despite the record, we were a few minutes of game time away from a bowl game. Season before, same thing.

        • I don’t think he’ll be on the hot seat for a few reasons. #1 there is now too much momentum for the new west side of the stadium.. You don’t want to set your program back even further by creating more uncertainty with fans and recruits. In addition, you want to make sure her as many fans back into the stadium when the new west side is complete. That could be a challenge if there’s a possibility of a coaching change in the near future. Lastly, I think the pandemic casts a little more patience with rebuilding a program like OSU. Certainly, if the beavers go 2-10, 3-9, or 4-8, I think that will put more pressure on Smith, but bc of Gebbia’s status and inexperience at QB with Nolan and Noyer New to OSU and continued Covid challenges, Smith will get extra time. Don’t forget the entrenched conservative old timers love Smith and his nice guy image.

    • If the offense continues to produce at a high level and the defense doesn’t improve I think Tibs needs to go. If Smith doesn’t make a change then his seat might get a little warm. I hope and think the defense will be improved enough to win more games but we’ll see. I would hate to have to change defenses now that the personnel for it is really starting to take shape.

        • I just don’t see the QBs having to much asked of them. Gebbia didn’t have to do a whole lot and was able to win some games. If the team can stay ahead of the chains and not get behind too far they should be fine. Noyer was able to win a lot of games with Colorado and I don’t see any reason he wouldn’t be able to do it here.

        • Oh I get that. But you can’t have a bottom 100 defense 4 years in a row then point at the qbs. We need to be in the top 75 on defense or we’re not winning many games.

  17. Re: pass rush, PFF says our only pass rushers that were above average were Sandberg, Roberts, and Skelton (small sample size). This doesn’t necessarily mean they were the ones generating pressure, just that they did what they were supposed to do and made a positive impact on the pass rush.

    If we’re going to be better this year, where is it going to come from?

    • Roberts, Speights and Wright will both be all Pac12 2nd team or better this season. Either Roberts or Speights will be 1st team.

      But still need better DL production, so really depends on Schadd and Hodgins making it back into the rotation by the time we start Pac12 play. Lolohea needs to be healthy too.
      Tall order

    • Not only Gumbs but add in Saluni who is the largest of them all and Franke. Also depth increased, depth, strength, size, experience, knowledge in system, conditioning, full offseason, coaches familiarity with players and strengths, Better secondary making qb hold the ball longer, camp reports of it being better. I think there are plenty of reasons to think it will be better. Factor in Sio being able to push the center into a QBs lap and force him out of the pocket as well.

  18. OT: looks like Air-Soft DB’s reinstated, will only miss opener.

    College Football News predicts Purdue to be a tad bit sharper, edge the gamey Beavers 38-30…

  19. Per OLive, starting DLine looking like Skelton/Sandberg/Anderson with Sio/Rawls/Shippen next in line. Tibs hopeful that Schad can get involved soon.

    Reichner seems to be invisible, haven’t heard anything about him. Anyone know the story there? At one point he was one of our best players and a rising star…

    • His size got caught up with during injuries and sitting out last season. I’m sure you will still see him in rotation this year. When he showed up we had like 5 players over 280 on the dl. Not a problem now

    • Outside of a few practice reports that he was good I never saw anything remotely encouraging from Reichner.. Let alone a rising star. He seems undersized and incredibly slow. There’s a reason we were his only P5 offer.

        • Perhaps but I think it was more of a function of being incredibly desperate for d line help and the also being the very first somewhat rushed recruiting cycle for JS. Was really a beggars can’t be choosers type scenario. But… if they also identified Speights and decided to build a relationship that way it’s certainly a shrewd chess not checkers type move.

    • It’s not my opinion it’s the truth. I doubt smith leading them on. Don’t we want smith to be coy and not so friendly to the competition.

  20. Noyer has more experience against P5 competition, and opening with a win and going 3-0 in non-con is necessary growth for this program.

    I still suspect there could be a few series for Nolan in the game.

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    How long before Nebraska fires Frost?

    Did Riley destroy another program, or is Frost actually worse? Riley 19-19 in 3 years. Frost 12-20.

  22. After watching Saturday’s scrimmage, I would be surprised if Nolan got the start. He didn’t get a lot of playing time and when he did, I think is was with the 3’s and 4’s (after Noyer and Vidlak had gotten in their work). He looked small, not overly mobile and his arm was a notch below both Noyer and Vidlak’s. He would really struggle pushing the ball past 10 yards and I left the stadium thinking he was not really being considered.

      • The way they were used, I just got the impression that Gebbia/Noyer are the starters until Vidlak can give them a run for their money. Sam looked like a polished, well-coached 7 on 7 QB who has to get comfortable dealing with a pass rush. Noyer was just better at anticipating, escaping and getting off a good throw when a play would break down. He also seemed to have the slightly stronger arm and was making longer throws, but Vidlak will develop all of this with a time – he’s not that far off.

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    UCLA qb will hold them back from rising to the top of the south. Whether their defense is really that good is just another example of luck of the Beavs.
    We schedule Hawaii when they are experienced at qb and rising, other PAC schools tend to get them when they have a new coaching staff and look overmatched.

    I still like the Beavs chances as the surprise team of the conference. Maybe Noyer starts and Vidlak is in the wings like Jake Browning was for JS at UW. I like the idea of a 4 year starter with a ton of moxie, great arm and leadership qualities.

  24. “In topping the Cornhuskers in back-to-back years for the first time since 1923-24, Illinois put holes in the theory that Bielema’s first team would bring up the rear in the Big Ten.(Obviously, the new leader in the clubhouse for that honor belongs to Nebraska.)” buwahhaahhaaha

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      If they can’t beat Purdue they’re not very good and could easily lose to Hawaii and will struggle to beat most teams in p12. My gut is telling me it’s more of the same old Beavs and they’ll find a way to lose to Purdue

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        Ya I don’t think Purdue is bad at all andbare favored to win so I don’t know why you would think they would lose to Hawaii just because they lose to Purdue. I think they’ll beat Purdue. Why do you think its the same old Beavs? Smith has shown improvement every year.

        • I don’t think Purdue is very good. I think if we lose to them, it’s a bad sign. I’m concerned our D won’t be able to stop the run and won’t force TOs. Plus I’m concerned with our QB play. I’m expecting them to beat Purdue but that usually means they’ll find a way to lose:-)… 4-8 overall with 3-0 non conference record is my prediction

    • Martinez isn’t helping. How does an experienced fumble at the end of a half like that. The announcer said maybe you do want to
      Give Nebraska the ball back, ha. So many terrible
      Errors (fielding punt on the one)

  25. Gotta hand it to Luton for sticking to it, he looked great in Preseason finale (aside from a botched snap). Playing about 1000% faster than he did before JS. Decisive and accurate. Made his case for QB2 behind Lawrence (although prolly land 3rd).

  26. The CBS pickem pool is up.
    I’ve gone with a 12 game format against the spread.
    Priority goes to Pac12 games and then I’ll fill the rest of the slots with games that seem to be interesting that week.
    Since we’re picking against the spread, there may be a few Pac games that get left out during non conference because pt spreads generally dont get set for the FCS opponents.

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  27. Would anybody be interested in doing a 2nd version of the CBS picken, but with a nominal buy in and jackpot for the victor?
    Was thinking something like $5-$10 to be included and 100% return for the overall winner?
    I think i would have to go with the default rules, to eliminate any risk of people thinking i was screwing them over if I accidentally missed a week of picks. I think rue default just picks a handful of national games from across college football.

    Let me know what you think. We could use the Beavrecruiting venmo acct to hold the pot and i can tale screenshots in case anybody needs verification.

    I’ve also decided to donate $20 to the pot for the main Pac12 pickem, so anybody can win that one with free buy in.

  28. Gary Andersen joins Weber State staff as a volunteer:
    …head coach Jay Hill announced Friday that Andersen will join the Wildcats as a volunteer staff member, serving as an adviser while assisting the defensive coaching staff.
    No word on whether or not he’ll bring in Seth The Great to assist the D-line coaches or to coach high jumpers on the track squad.

    https://www.deseret.com/2021/8/27/22644956/gary-andersen-is-back-in-the-coaching-business-weber-state-jay-hill

  29. Projections for Jets Roster:

    “Defensive Line (8)

    Quinnen Williams, Sheldon Rankins, John Franklin-Myers, Bryce Huff, Folorunso Fatukasi, Nathan Shepherd, Ronald Blair, Hamilcar Rashed

    This unit took a hit last week with the loss of Carl Lawson for the season. Lawson moving to IR opened up a roster spot for Rashed, an undrafted free agent. Blair has been injured throughout camp, making his status to start the season a question mark.”

    However, the Jets also traded a 6th round pick for a DE, so maybe Rashed will be on the move or stashed on the practice roster?

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