The defense tonight brought back nightmares of 2018 and earlier. Completely blown assignments in the secondary leading to embarrassingly open touchdowns, QB’s outrunning the entire back seven and the d-line getting pushed back turning one-yard gains into five. I thought they were past this kind of effort especially against a team like Cal. 503 yards of offense, are you fucking kidding me?
Damn, I was looking at the CBS app and it showed the 503, maybe Garbers is still running around the edge of the Pankey-esque defense for a few more yards!
And I mentioned it on the other thread, but Omar is the biggest disappointment so far this year. Dude is the new pankey, but better than pankey. He legit arm flails and runs upright, looks like he is just happy to be playing d1. And I say that, because he wasn’t doing that before, it’s a new thing for him.
This defense has been carried by Robert’s all year. Everyone else is par to sub par. They all let Robert’s make play. I’m scared for the future of the defense at this point.
The other dude that has been making plays is Julian, and he’s out for the year. It apparently showed tonight
No turnovers, no sacks tonight either, right? I wonder what they were doing scheme-wise in ’19 to get so many sacks and TFL’s? Seems like whatever Tibs had going on with that, it has been figured out by the other teams.
I, albeit unrealistically, was calling for the axe after year 1. I don’t get why people are making excuses for the guy. 517 yds allowed for one of the lowest offenses in college ball. He’s never been good at 3rd down. If it weren’t for Idaho and UW being God awful, his stats would be much worse this year. No adjustments. Can’t plan worth shit. Seems like every team except Idaho has scored on their first drive. We have to play from behind and I think it puts too much pressure on Nolan who probably thinks he needs to have a perfect game.
Sure, OSU can extend him an offer for $1 million base salary.
A more prestigious program with all of the resources he needs to be successful in his first year would then match that offer. Guess which one he’ll accept?
Also, didn’t someone in an earlier thread say that Lake and Smith did not get along while at UW?
Beavs 3rd down D is terrible. And 75% of pac12 teams are in the bottom half of the FBS on that…I think it’s something in the water. Before this game Beavs were #123. And Cal was #111.
Again, 3rd down D is one thing glaring. Opponents first downs confirms the problem, however the differential between opponent ypg (bad), ypp (not great) and the number of red zone attempts suggests the Beavs have an offense problem. And unfortunately, when the passing game needs to carry the load for the running game, it doesn’t work.
Also, can’t beat perfection….Cal w no turnovers or penalties….gonna be hard to beat anybody with that stat line don’t think I have EVER seen that!!! WTF….Luck O’da Beavs?
I hate that I’m now stuck hoping they don’t fuck up against Colorado next week and at least make a minor bowl game. That’s unfortunately very Riley-esque, but they can’t be trusted to win any of the other games.
Rebuild is ahead of schedule but the defensive talent is still shit. Can’t pressure the QB consistently and the back end can’t hold up for more than a couple seconds. It’s hard to watch but it is what it is. Need better players
Does anybody think the turnovers affected the game? Easy to get 500 yards when the offense can’t stay on the field.
Btw, who from this defense would get drafted in the NFL? I am curious what others see. Robert’s is a undrafted free agent from what I’ve seen. There is a talent issue on that side of the ball.
Banker at least had some really good years. Tibs is one of the least connected coaches to JS. He came through a referral from Chryst. So while they are probably pretty good friends now, Tib’s knows it is not working and his job is on the line. Not sure anything can save it now.
Was tonight the worst matchup so far for BOTH the OL and DL? Lots of areas need improvement, but the trenches were both lost tonight.
It’ll get better, still thinking 7 wins likely and 8 very possible.
No freaking way they beat Stanford, ASU and Oregon…hell, I’m doubtful about Colorado too. I said before the season the max ceiling was 7 wins but predicted 6-6. I stand by those predictions.
I suggested this on the last thread, but maybe the majority of the OSU defenders just aren’t very smart. Yeah, they need a more size and depth at NT, but the DEs, the LBs, and secondary are now legitimate DI football player size. A half step slow? Maybe.
Stanford, under Harbaugh, had a stout running game, multiple TEs, FB, some of the things OSU is doing now. But Stanford could also play Chip Kelly’s offense tough. Stanford has higher academic standards and smarter players. Unless exceptions are made for scholarship athletes?
OSU now has a great running game, but maybe this defense is just across the board stoopid?
This has to be one of the few defenses, where the opposing offense gets third and long, and says “We’ve got them right where we want them!”
If I correctly understood a blurb I read a few minutes ago, the Beavs now have the 4th worst 3rd down conversion defense in ALL of the FBS. Given that stat, it might be more amazing that they are actually 5-3 at this point.
If I were to assign blame for this turd of a game it would go like this,
90% to the coaches. What kind of gameplan was that on both sides on the ball?
Why go away from what worked last week? There should have been like 10 fly sweeps or reverses. That softens up the middle where Cal was selling out.
Anytime a blocked kick happens, that’s on the coaches for not seeing a weakness in their blocking scheme. Why have Nolan throw so much early? did the fumble scare them that much?
I don’t need to say anything about the defense.
10% players – Nolan threw some really terrible passes. Throw deep to the TE who is double covered?????? Just general play seemed lacking. Effort there but just couldn’t execute.
Definitely a big portion on the coaches. After our 2nd TD where we ran the ball 6 times out of 7, we came with 3 runs and gained around 30 yds then went to the pass. That was the offensive PI call and moved us to 1st and 25. Luckily for us, Musgrave tackling 2 defenders and freeing up Bradford wasn’t called and we end up scoring. IMO, why not keep running the ball? Does Lingren go, hey this is working too well, we should let our qb who was at 52% completion at that point throw the ball. I also didn’t get the lack of fly sweeps and creativity with the run. It was either up the middle or stretch plays.
Hard to criticize the entirety of work from the offense since they are the highest scoring in the league, but it seems like we haven’t hardly used any screens at all this year. Feels like we had a variety of TE screens, WR screens and RB screens in the playbook in prior years but not really utilizing them. Give your QB some quick easy throws and build confidence. Get your guys with speed the ball in space. Offense seemed fairly vanilla today.
Maybe Smith was intimidated by Cal’s D? He said statistically they were the best in league play. Did they game plan away from their own strengths?
It seems like if you have the top running D in the conference, and one of the best in the nation, you run and make them prove they can stop you, don’t take it away yourself. And as others said, run wide, some fly sweeps. Some WR screens.
OT: MLB is unwatchable due to the production truck deciding the viewers want to see extreme close-ups of unshaven 30 year olds spitting and string at each other for 4 hours. I just endured the last 3 innings of game 4 and I don’t know why anyone who doesn’t already understand baseball would even tune in to that garbage. The game itself may be exciting and intriguing but the way it is covered by the cameraman is completely annoying…
Beavs probably going to finish 6-6 this season with 7-5 the peak for this team. Don’t think 6-6 is deserving of much of a raise for Smith, particularly if he is stubborn (which he is) and keeps Tibesar. If he keeps Tibesar, think you have to penalize the decision and not boost Smith’s pay more than 300K.
If OSU increases Smith’s contract by more than 500K, it should be contingent on Tibs being let go. Then would be OK with a 500K raise for Smith to 3.4 million. But to do that for the same defense puts a strict cap on what progress the team can make and how long it will take. Letting go of Tibs should be priority #1 for Beaver football. Any money that can be scrounged up should help pay for a new DC with a decent track record. Like Wilcox or Lake if either get cut. Can’t overdo Smith’s deal if we end up 6-6. Is just accepting mediocrity as a job well done. 7-5 is a real step forward and more deserving of credit to Smith but that is only a 40% probability in my book now for the season.
We should find a DC we want to pay 200K more than we do now and hold him to a higher standard.
RE QB play, I don’t think Vidlak is big enough to play yet. Save him until next year at least. Its a shame Gulbranson isn’t available for a different look a few series per game.
I think Noyer is an emergency QB at this point. Gebbia pretty much done. If he doesn’t play this year, next year he’s rusty and there’s Gulbranson/Nolan/Vidlak to compete with.
I might sound too impatient on Nolan, but the light should have come on by now.
I think the way to focus Nolan and maximize his chance for success AND confidence @ CU, is take Beason and Flemgings out of the two deep, and come up with some combination of Harrison, Bradford, Lindsey (who can run the ball), get Tongue some opportunities or have him block, and have Nolan throw less than 20 passes. Flemings is good for one long catch about every third game. You could still get that just by getting him on the field 2x per game…
Hard game to watch. Hats off to Cal, they made it look like the Beavs had the fire alarm go off at their hotel last night and/or the Gatorade was spiked with benedryl. Almost always looked a step too slow whether O or D or ST. Coaching was meh at best.
Lots of people are giving Roberts a lot of praise, and mostly rightly so, but he didn’t have a good game today. He had the brutal missed sack on 3rd down, but he also blew the coverage resulting in the RB wide open for the long TD.
In general, he’s phenomenal in run D but an absolute liability in coverage. He’s got to get that cleaned up to have a shot at the NFL. In the meantime, we need him off the field in 3rd and long- he’s cost us in those situations all year.
Julian was our best defender, and that loss is really showing.
It seems like the Beavs have been lacking a sideline to sideline linebacker with real speed for years and years now. There has to be someone out there. I’m tired of the wide-open five-yard routes or QB’s easily escaping the pocket for first downs.
If they fire Tibs they need to break out the check book and pay for a proven seasoned DC.
They went cheap and inexperienced off the bat with DC and the results speak for themselves. The offense looks like it does because Lindgren and Coach M are proven, experienced coaches. Heyward may have potential but let him learn on someone else’s dime.
Tibs was a DC for K-State under Snyder as well as Purdue. Also coached TJ Watt at Wisconsin. It’s the fact that he doesn’t have a track record of successful rebuilding programs.
Sure, we can agree that they should throw $1.5 million at a coordinator, but the board of directors probably won’t agree. Not when the athletic dept. ran a $15 million deficit this year alone.
Heyward is the obvious top candidate. He was a coach on OSU’s top teams of the past 50 years (’06-’08), OLB coach that can recruit, has played with Smith, and has produced NFL talent. In fact, I’d argue that we should go out and get another position coach for the D-line (Inoke Breckterfield).
Wasn’t there a quote a few years ago when smith was hired that Hayward said he’d never coach in Corvallis because his wife hates it there? Now maybe it would change if he gets a chance at a d coordinator position. Not sure what he has done to earn that spot outside of recruiting at Oregon. They have continued to recruit well without him. Would prefer someone with d coordinator experience but Beavs can’t be picky.
All this doesn’t matter though because smith isn’t getting rid of him. He will see it as a personnel issue.
Tibs DC experience was disjointed, a year here then a year there. Never for any length of time and never particularly successful.
They’re probably never going to draw one of these ex coaches or big names, but flushing money and time away on these no names is just stupid. The best move is probably start looking at DCs who’s HC has been canned this year.
I said in a previous thread that Steele has made a career out of making incorrect picks/projections and then coming up with justifications for why he wasn’t really incorrect after the fact.
We cannot remember a collapse as swift and severe as the one unfolding in Tempe. Just six quarters ago, ASU led Utah 21-7 at halftime and was 30 minutes from laying claim to division domination.
But the Sun Devils were outscored 28-0 in the second half by the Utes, then 28-7 in the first half by Washington State — a mind-numbing 56-7 demolition that has left coach Herm Edwards and his undisciplined team reeling.
Not only are the Devils the most penalized team in the conference; they committed five turnovers against WSU and played with utter indifference.
Next week is gigantic for the Sun Devils, who host USC.
Toss the lack of discipline, lack of effort and two-game losing streak into a cauldron with the NCAA investigation and all the internal distractions that brings, and there is no telling how the Sun Devils might react.
They appear on the verge of quitting on Edwards, whose own future with the school is very much in doubt.“
I would like Smith to go after Oregons DL coach and give him a shot at DC. Great recruiter and he coaches our weakest position. Hurt the ducks and hopefully strengthen the Beavs. Can’t be any worse than Tibs.
Not sure if he would make a lateral move because he is associate head coach and co-defensive coordinator at Oregon, but we know he can coach great linemen.
Another guy would be Inoke Breckterfield. OSU alum who coached Aaron Donald when he was at Pitt. Currently D-line coach at Vandy.
As bad as it was he left the starters in I think it’s even worse when up 56-0 the refs told the coach they wanted to go to a running clock and he said no. Coach was previously reprimanded at another school and they had to forfeit all their games for using ineligible players/transfers. Tells you all you need to know about the guy
Hey there NB. How was your visit to the states varsity football field yesterday. See anything the Beavs could adapt/steal to enhance the Reser experience?
Honestly it was unimpressive in alot of ways. They blare the same song on every defensive 3rd down and kickoff and it completely throws me off. The most fun thing was they all sing and dance to shout at the end of the third. Overall I prefer the more organic traditions of Reser like our 1st down celebration and chainsaw.
Their sound system was louder than the crowd for most of it.
Also Colorado is horrible and ducks are very beatable.
That’s the one thing I remember most about going to a game there about 10 years ago. They blast that sound system so loud it’s too the point painful in your ears.
OSU’s speakers get pretty loud too, especially up in the wings, but never to the point where i feel like I’ll have permanent tenitis after the game.
Pretty good PFF grade. He’s our highest rated CB in run stopping, which invalidates my hypothesis for why Austin was starting over him. Coverage grade is really close to Wright’s.
Does anyone know what position we are recruiting the lake Oswego Lowe kid for? Highlights are wr and db. Looks to me like a safety? Not tackling that I saw. Looks pretty solid, and figured he might be next, so I wanted to see where they are projecting him
“Hey Beaver fans! Timmy Tisebar here! I’m going with “Timmy” now because it fits the friendly, non-threatening nature of me and my defense! Speaking of my ‘defense’ (ha! ha!), I’m referring to them now as “Timmy’s Tots!” We play a friendly, pee-wee-like form of defense to keep everybody safe! None of that head’s up form tackling, wrapping and driving!
Well, got to rest up, giving up third and forever is tiring! See you next Saturday!
And don’t forge to donate so our cute lil’ arm tacklers can go to football camp this summer!
#Timmy’sTots
-Nolan is still the top rated passer in the PAC-12
-Bradford is the #2 WR
-Brewer has now played more than the minimum “qualifying” number of snaps, so we have 3 of the top 6 G’s in the conference. I think we all know Coach M is the real G.
-Jones is now .1 away from being our top rated CB. He’s the top run stopper by a decent margin already.
-Lolohea is our top DL and both he and Rawls are top 10 in the conference
After yesterday’s loss, I’m considering pulling my annual donation for the beavers football program. I’m not getting much value for my $10 annual donation…
That would be great. Don’t know if he’s ready to step down to DC role, maybe he’d really enjoy it and have fun scheming and teaching.
I thought what he did at TCU could be a model for OSU, didn’t have the resources of Texas or aTm, but fielded some competitive teams with some pretty good bowl games. Of course he also had a football obsessed, talent rich part of the country to recruit from, where genuine 3*s are pretty damn good.
Defensively yes. Offensively not so much, but yesterday, yes. I think smith and Lindgren are two of the top offensive minds in football. That’s just me though, I reserve my right to retract that statement if the next few games we score less than 30 in any of them. Especially next weeks game
From ESPN: “Patterson arrived at TCU as Dennis Franchione’s defensive coordinator in 1998 and took over as head coach in 2001. He went 181-79 at TCU and oversaw the Horned Frogs’ rise from being left behind after the breakup of the Southwest Conference back through Conference USA, the Mountain West and back into the Big 12, largely due to the success the school had under Patterson.
The 2010 Horned Frogs, in the Mountain West, made history as the first team from a non-automatic qualifying conference to play in the Rose Bowl during the BCS era, and they finished the season 13-0 with a 21-19 win over No. 5 Wisconsin. Patterson was also celebrated in Fort Worth for his dominance of Texas, going 7-3 against the Longhorns since the Horned Frogs joined the Big 12 in 2012.
Patterson led TCU to 17 bowl appearances during his tenure — the school had previously been to a total of 17 bowl games between 1896 and his first season as head coach — and he went 11-6 in those bowls. TCU finished in the top 10 of the AP postseason poll six times, including a No. 2 finish in 2010 and No. 3 in 2013.”
If he has the energy, and wants to focus on defensive coaching without all of the administrative overhead of being a head coach, I bet he’d do well somewhere. He could probably afford to take a job situation he liked for less pay.
I liked that in his heyday he simplified the game for his D and let them play fast, whereas Banker in contest would admit to over complicating things (CW) thus requiring excessive, exhausting hand jiving, which only confused his D more and allowed them to be taken advantage of by freshman QBs who didn’t wait for them to line up…
“CORVALLIS, Ore. – The No. 3 Oregon State men’s soccer team shutout California, 2-0, notching its second shutout in a row and seventh this season in Corvallis, Ore. on Sunday. The Beavers improve to 11-1-2 (6-0-1 Pac-12). Earlier in the season, the Beavers edged past the Golden Bears, 1-0, in Berkeley, Calif. ” https://osubeavers.com/news/2021/10/31/mens-soccer-no-3-beavers-shutout-california-2-0.aspx
My family has instructions to check me into the Alzheimer’s ward if I ever start watching or caring about soccer.
And why is everyone talking about Oregon State on this Green Bay Packer forum???
Hey Nice Beaver, how do the commitments and recruits in 2022 look from a speed standpoint in defense? Any particularly quick and fast D lineman or LBs?
Did anybody make a FireTibesar Twitter yet?
Instant follow
The defense tonight brought back nightmares of 2018 and earlier. Completely blown assignments in the secondary leading to embarrassingly open touchdowns, QB’s outrunning the entire back seven and the d-line getting pushed back turning one-yard gains into five. I thought they were past this kind of effort especially against a team like Cal. 503 yards of offense, are you fucking kidding me?
He should do the honorable thing and resign, forgoing any money he’s owed by the university.
503 yards? Jesus, it’s time to move on from Tibs. Never said it before. So I’m not a purely emotional fan, but yeah, it’s time to see him go
517 actually. Lol. Only Sac State has given up more points this year. He’s atrocious.
Not the first time OSU has looked worse than Sac State.
Damn, I was looking at the CBS app and it showed the 503, maybe Garbers is still running around the edge of the Pankey-esque defense for a few more yards!
Anyone hear the post game presser?
There is a little on varsity app, Ron calen interviews
And I mentioned it on the other thread, but Omar is the biggest disappointment so far this year. Dude is the new pankey, but better than pankey. He legit arm flails and runs upright, looks like he is just happy to be playing d1. And I say that, because he wasn’t doing that before, it’s a new thing for him.
This defense has been carried by Robert’s all year. Everyone else is par to sub par. They all let Robert’s make play. I’m scared for the future of the defense at this point.
The other dude that has been making plays is Julian, and he’s out for the year. It apparently showed tonight
Didn’t tonight make it clear Julian was the only real improvement over last year? Now he’s gone.
Beavs fans are fired up tonight. It’s like they already bought their Rose Bowl tickets and are just now figuring out that was a bad decision.
damn…
Finally everyone is on board for what I’ve been saying all year. 13-19 on third down defense. Can’t keep him after this year no matter what.
No turnovers, no sacks tonight either, right? I wonder what they were doing scheme-wise in ’19 to get so many sacks and TFL’s? Seems like whatever Tibs had going on with that, it has been figured out by the other teams.
Yeah, Garbage not touched until he is ten yards down the field. Total horseshit defense!
I, albeit unrealistically, was calling for the axe after year 1. I don’t get why people are making excuses for the guy. 517 yds allowed for one of the lowest offenses in college ball. He’s never been good at 3rd down. If it weren’t for Idaho and UW being God awful, his stats would be much worse this year. No adjustments. Can’t plan worth shit. Seems like every team except Idaho has scored on their first drive. We have to play from behind and I think it puts too much pressure on Nolan who probably thinks he needs to have a perfect game.
Would Jimmy Lake be a good option after UW shit-cans him? I know it’s not realistic that the timing would work out though.
He seems like an asshole. It might be a nice change of pace. He was the DC at UW that owned the ducks for several years right?
Yeah, that was my thought he was with JS at UW.
Probably can’t afford him but he’s definitely a good defensive coach. He could probably get a DC job that would pay him more than JS makes.
Lake makes $3 million a year. We’re not getting him.
How much will he make when UW fires him?
$16 million.
When he is fired, expect Sarkisian from Texas to extend an offer he can’t refuse.
If he has 16 mil sitting in the bank, osu pay would be plenty
Sure, OSU can extend him an offer for $1 million base salary.
A more prestigious program with all of the resources he needs to be successful in his first year would then match that offer. Guess which one he’ll accept?
Also, didn’t someone in an earlier thread say that Lake and Smith did not get along while at UW?
Beavs 3rd down D is terrible. And 75% of pac12 teams are in the bottom half of the FBS on that…I think it’s something in the water. Before this game Beavs were #123. And Cal was #111.
Again, 3rd down D is one thing glaring. Opponents first downs confirms the problem, however the differential between opponent ypg (bad), ypp (not great) and the number of red zone attempts suggests the Beavs have an offense problem. And unfortunately, when the passing game needs to carry the load for the running game, it doesn’t work.
Please vote for Orange Toolius. Little fella has had a really bad day.
You’re the only one that thinks you’re funny.
It would be better if you were actually dead.
Tough crowd. Your abuse is motivating WFooool.
Also, can’t beat perfection….Cal w no turnovers or penalties….gonna be hard to beat anybody with that stat line don’t think I have EVER seen that!!! WTF….Luck O’da Beavs?
I hate that I’m now stuck hoping they don’t fuck up against Colorado next week and at least make a minor bowl game. That’s unfortunately very Riley-esque, but they can’t be trusted to win any of the other games.
Baby steps. Maybe that’s where the program actually is…too much to expect a big jump, this soon
As I type with one finger, maybe today wasn’t the best day to have hand surgery and take ecstasy?
Being a Beav fan is annoying as fuck.
COTT
Maybe it WAS the best day.
Rebuild is ahead of schedule but the defensive talent is still shit. Can’t pressure the QB consistently and the back end can’t hold up for more than a couple seconds. It’s hard to watch but it is what it is. Need better players
Does anybody think the turnovers affected the game? Easy to get 500 yards when the offense can’t stay on the field.
Btw, who from this defense would get drafted in the NFL? I am curious what others see. Robert’s is a undrafted free agent from what I’ve seen. There is a talent issue on that side of the ball.
Tibesar is the next Banker. I have a horrible feeling that he’s not getting fired no matter what he does.
Your “horrible feeling” is not at all out of reason; I’ve got it 70:30 he remains.
Well, JS did mention at the half 3rd downs need to be better…
Banker at least had some really good years. Tibs is one of the least connected coaches to JS. He came through a referral from Chryst. So while they are probably pretty good friends now, Tib’s knows it is not working and his job is on the line. Not sure anything can save it now.
Was tonight the worst matchup so far for BOTH the OL and DL? Lots of areas need improvement, but the trenches were both lost tonight.
It’ll get better, still thinking 7 wins likely and 8 very possible.
It’s up in the air if they can get to 6 at this point.
Why didn’t kipper start? Saw him in there the second half.
No freaking way they beat Stanford, ASU and Oregon…hell, I’m doubtful about Colorado too. I said before the season the max ceiling was 7 wins but predicted 6-6. I stand by those predictions.
I suggested this on the last thread, but maybe the majority of the OSU defenders just aren’t very smart. Yeah, they need a more size and depth at NT, but the DEs, the LBs, and secondary are now legitimate DI football player size. A half step slow? Maybe.
Stanford, under Harbaugh, had a stout running game, multiple TEs, FB, some of the things OSU is doing now. But Stanford could also play Chip Kelly’s offense tough. Stanford has higher academic standards and smarter players. Unless exceptions are made for scholarship athletes?
OSU now has a great running game, but maybe this defense is just across the board stoopid?
This has to be one of the few defenses, where the opposing offense gets third and long, and says “We’ve got them right where we want them!”
If I correctly understood a blurb I read a few minutes ago, the Beavs now have the 4th worst 3rd down conversion defense in ALL of the FBS. Given that stat, it might be more amazing that they are actually 5-3 at this point.
I’ve been wondering when somebody would do this:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2021/10/30/bowling-green-qb-touchdown-run-fake-kneel-down/6219224001/
Asshole move. I remember the dick QB doing this when I was in high school and just looking over and shaking my head as he ran around the end.
Been wondering when someone would adapt that approach to the “look to the sideline” which has become so common.
If I were to assign blame for this turd of a game it would go like this,
90% to the coaches. What kind of gameplan was that on both sides on the ball?
Why go away from what worked last week? There should have been like 10 fly sweeps or reverses. That softens up the middle where Cal was selling out.
Anytime a blocked kick happens, that’s on the coaches for not seeing a weakness in their blocking scheme. Why have Nolan throw so much early? did the fumble scare them that much?
I don’t need to say anything about the defense.
10% players – Nolan threw some really terrible passes. Throw deep to the TE who is double covered?????? Just general play seemed lacking. Effort there but just couldn’t execute.
What a wasted chance today
Definitely a big portion on the coaches. After our 2nd TD where we ran the ball 6 times out of 7, we came with 3 runs and gained around 30 yds then went to the pass. That was the offensive PI call and moved us to 1st and 25. Luckily for us, Musgrave tackling 2 defenders and freeing up Bradford wasn’t called and we end up scoring. IMO, why not keep running the ball? Does Lingren go, hey this is working too well, we should let our qb who was at 52% completion at that point throw the ball. I also didn’t get the lack of fly sweeps and creativity with the run. It was either up the middle or stretch plays.
Hard to criticize the entirety of work from the offense since they are the highest scoring in the league, but it seems like we haven’t hardly used any screens at all this year. Feels like we had a variety of TE screens, WR screens and RB screens in the playbook in prior years but not really utilizing them. Give your QB some quick easy throws and build confidence. Get your guys with speed the ball in space. Offense seemed fairly vanilla today.
“Why go away from what worked last week? ”
Maybe Smith was intimidated by Cal’s D? He said statistically they were the best in league play. Did they game plan away from their own strengths?
It seems like if you have the top running D in the conference, and one of the best in the nation, you run and make them prove they can stop you, don’t take it away yourself. And as others said, run wide, some fly sweeps. Some WR screens.
OT: MLB is unwatchable due to the production truck deciding the viewers want to see extreme close-ups of unshaven 30 year olds spitting and string at each other for 4 hours. I just endured the last 3 innings of game 4 and I don’t know why anyone who doesn’t already understand baseball would even tune in to that garbage. The game itself may be exciting and intriguing but the way it is covered by the cameraman is completely annoying…
Ever heard Parker rant about the lack of wide shoots by cameramen? Right on but gets pretty repetitive.
I think I’m coming down, but any OT right now gets a thumbs up from me.
Beavs probably going to finish 6-6 this season with 7-5 the peak for this team. Don’t think 6-6 is deserving of much of a raise for Smith, particularly if he is stubborn (which he is) and keeps Tibesar. If he keeps Tibesar, think you have to penalize the decision and not boost Smith’s pay more than 300K.
If OSU increases Smith’s contract by more than 500K, it should be contingent on Tibs being let go. Then would be OK with a 500K raise for Smith to 3.4 million. But to do that for the same defense puts a strict cap on what progress the team can make and how long it will take. Letting go of Tibs should be priority #1 for Beaver football. Any money that can be scrounged up should help pay for a new DC with a decent track record. Like Wilcox or Lake if either get cut. Can’t overdo Smith’s deal if we end up 6-6. Is just accepting mediocrity as a job well done. 7-5 is a real step forward and more deserving of credit to Smith but that is only a 40% probability in my book now for the season.
We should find a DC we want to pay 200K more than we do now and hold him to a higher standard.
We’re not getting Wilcox or Lake as a DC. They’re earning more than $3 million+ per year.
Dude what they make as head coaches right now is irrelevant because the premise is they’d be fired and available for a DC role. Get it?
Dude you honestly think a coordinator that made $1.1 million as a DC is going to settle for 600K at a program like OSU? You clearly don’t get it lmao
I wonder if Clancy Pendergast would come out?
You’d think there’s a good D coordinator out there who’d love to pair up with a running game as good as OSU’s is now.
Finally off the Tibs train. He needs to be gone by the end of the season. The bad angles and bad positioning this game was clear regression.
Still sticking to my 7-5 prediction. We have to outscore teams from now on to win. DLine is getting absolutely obliterated on most snaps.
RE QB play, I don’t think Vidlak is big enough to play yet. Save him until next year at least. Its a shame Gulbranson isn’t available for a different look a few series per game.
I think Noyer is an emergency QB at this point. Gebbia pretty much done. If he doesn’t play this year, next year he’s rusty and there’s Gulbranson/Nolan/Vidlak to compete with.
I might sound too impatient on Nolan, but the light should have come on by now.
I think the way to focus Nolan and maximize his chance for success AND confidence @ CU, is take Beason and Flemgings out of the two deep, and come up with some combination of Harrison, Bradford, Lindsey (who can run the ball), get Tongue some opportunities or have him block, and have Nolan throw less than 20 passes. Flemings is good for one long catch about every third game. You could still get that just by getting him on the field 2x per game…
Hard game to watch. Hats off to Cal, they made it look like the Beavs had the fire alarm go off at their hotel last night and/or the Gatorade was spiked with benedryl. Almost always looked a step too slow whether O or D or ST. Coaching was meh at best.
Lots of people are giving Roberts a lot of praise, and mostly rightly so, but he didn’t have a good game today. He had the brutal missed sack on 3rd down, but he also blew the coverage resulting in the RB wide open for the long TD.
In general, he’s phenomenal in run D but an absolute liability in coverage. He’s got to get that cleaned up to have a shot at the NFL. In the meantime, we need him off the field in 3rd and long- he’s cost us in those situations all year.
Julian was our best defender, and that loss is really showing.
It seems like the Beavs have been lacking a sideline to sideline linebacker with real speed for years and years now. There has to be someone out there. I’m tired of the wide-open five-yard routes or QB’s easily escaping the pocket for first downs.
Unsurprisingly, Tibs is the OLBs position coach.
And Roberts is an ILB.
Saluni, an OLB, got burned on a wheel route for a 38 yard touchdown.
Saluni is also a freshman and that was clearly a communication error, not surprising, that’s on the coaches and something a freshman should learn from
Broadcasters broke down the play and indicated that it was Roberts’ man. TBH I don’t know enough to confirm or deny but it did look that way…
Roberts was covering the slot on the far side of the field. There was a communication error between Saluni and Oladapo.
Keith Heyward should be the first candidate to be interviewed for the DC position.
Very good option
Disagree.
If they fire Tibs they need to break out the check book and pay for a proven seasoned DC.
They went cheap and inexperienced off the bat with DC and the results speak for themselves. The offense looks like it does because Lindgren and Coach M are proven, experienced coaches. Heyward may have potential but let him learn on someone else’s dime.
Tibs was a DC for K-State under Snyder as well as Purdue. Also coached TJ Watt at Wisconsin. It’s the fact that he doesn’t have a track record of successful rebuilding programs.
Sure, we can agree that they should throw $1.5 million at a coordinator, but the board of directors probably won’t agree. Not when the athletic dept. ran a $15 million deficit this year alone.
Heyward is the obvious top candidate. He was a coach on OSU’s top teams of the past 50 years (’06-’08), OLB coach that can recruit, has played with Smith, and has produced NFL talent. In fact, I’d argue that we should go out and get another position coach for the D-line (Inoke Breckterfield).
Wasn’t there a quote a few years ago when smith was hired that Hayward said he’d never coach in Corvallis because his wife hates it there? Now maybe it would change if he gets a chance at a d coordinator position. Not sure what he has done to earn that spot outside of recruiting at Oregon. They have continued to recruit well without him. Would prefer someone with d coordinator experience but Beavs can’t be picky.
All this doesn’t matter though because smith isn’t getting rid of him. He will see it as a personnel issue.
Tibs DC experience was disjointed, a year here then a year there. Never for any length of time and never particularly successful.
They’re probably never going to draw one of these ex coaches or big names, but flushing money and time away on these no names is just stupid. The best move is probably start looking at DCs who’s HC has been canned this year.
Love this. He has learned from some good ones, to include Wilcox and Sirmon in his year over there with Cal.
When did he stop being Keith Heyward-Johnson?
It’s that time of year when we all outa check-in with the fact that at least we aren’t Nebraska.
Imagine if they’d just kept 10 win Pelini.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDj_Wc-jvlg
“Fuck everything, there is no hope, go big red.”
Those poor bastards.
When Phil Steele goes as far as picking the Beavs to win and cover………we’re fucked
I said in a previous thread that Steele has made a career out of making incorrect picks/projections and then coming up with justifications for why he wasn’t really incorrect after the fact.
Some new hashtags this morning: https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/1454823874416152577
“ Hey Beaver fans! Just a reminder, it takes a special defense to have a special season! Haw! Haw! Haw! – Tim Tisebar
From Wilber @ SJ Mercury:
“ 2. Devilish downturn
We cannot remember a collapse as swift and severe as the one unfolding in Tempe. Just six quarters ago, ASU led Utah 21-7 at halftime and was 30 minutes from laying claim to division domination.
But the Sun Devils were outscored 28-0 in the second half by the Utes, then 28-7 in the first half by Washington State — a mind-numbing 56-7 demolition that has left coach Herm Edwards and his undisciplined team reeling.
Not only are the Devils the most penalized team in the conference; they committed five turnovers against WSU and played with utter indifference.
Next week is gigantic for the Sun Devils, who host USC.
Toss the lack of discipline, lack of effort and two-game losing streak into a cauldron with the NCAA investigation and all the internal distractions that brings, and there is no telling how the Sun Devils might react.
They appear on the verge of quitting on Edwards, whose own future with the school is very much in doubt.“
By posting this, you just guaranteed that Daniels will run for 100 yards and pass for 300 when they play the Beavs. Damn you, OBJ!
Was thinking the same. OSU will be the game they rally around each other and salvage their season
So you’re saying the beavs have a chance?
I would like Smith to go after Oregons DL coach and give him a shot at DC. Great recruiter and he coaches our weakest position. Hurt the ducks and hopefully strengthen the Beavs. Can’t be any worse than Tibs.
Not sure if he would make a lateral move because he is associate head coach and co-defensive coordinator at Oregon, but we know he can coach great linemen.
Another guy would be Inoke Breckterfield. OSU alum who coached Aaron Donald when he was at Pitt. Currently D-line coach at Vandy.
What about one of the co-DCs at Washington? You have to think Lake is done up there and they’ll bring in a new staff.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/california-high-school-football-106-0-ucla-commit
Amazing. The coach actually goes for 2 leading 104-0. Classless piece of crap.
As bad as it was he left the starters in I think it’s even worse when up 56-0 the refs told the coach they wanted to go to a running clock and he said no. Coach was previously reprimanded at another school and they had to forfeit all their games for using ineligible players/transfers. Tells you all you need to know about the guy
Jemar Jefferson just got his first TD
https://twitter.com/lions/status/1454895214557122563?s=21
Hey there NB. How was your visit to the states varsity football field yesterday. See anything the Beavs could adapt/steal to enhance the Reser experience?
Honestly it was unimpressive in alot of ways. They blare the same song on every defensive 3rd down and kickoff and it completely throws me off. The most fun thing was they all sing and dance to shout at the end of the third. Overall I prefer the more organic traditions of Reser like our 1st down celebration and chainsaw.
Their sound system was louder than the crowd for most of it.
Also Colorado is horrible and ducks are very beatable.
Thanks… knew about Shout. They think they own it because of Animal House being filmed there 100 years ago. Haven’t been there in twenty some years.
They opened it enough to get Otis Redding to do a video with a bunch of former players. Glad he got paid for it atleast.
That’s the one thing I remember most about going to a game there about 10 years ago. They blast that sound system so loud it’s too the point painful in your ears.
OSU’s speakers get pretty loud too, especially up in the wings, but never to the point where i feel like I’ll have permanent tenitis after the game.
It’s way worse now. The new scoreboard came with an incredibly good sound system. It’s bone rattling.
We’re most of Colorado’s points in garbage time against 2nd stringers?
Yay it was garbage time for the entire 4th.
They had 22 yards of offense in the first quarter and 30 yards of penalties.
Brown lured them off sides 6 times with hard count.
Got the reverse osmosis system installed! If only the Beavs played D like I installed this system…
Gona take up plumbing on the side, Angry?
Maybe. It was pretty fun, and my ass was hanging out. I think I’m a natural.
Did Jones play?
Logged 2 tackles
Pretty good PFF grade. He’s our highest rated CB in run stopping, which invalidates my hypothesis for why Austin was starting over him. Coverage grade is really close to Wright’s.
Does anyone know what position we are recruiting the lake Oswego Lowe kid for? Highlights are wr and db. Looks to me like a safety? Not tackling that I saw. Looks pretty solid, and figured he might be next, so I wanted to see where they are projecting him
“Hey Beaver fans! Timmy Tisebar here! I’m going with “Timmy” now because it fits the friendly, non-threatening nature of me and my defense! Speaking of my ‘defense’ (ha! ha!), I’m referring to them now as “Timmy’s Tots!” We play a friendly, pee-wee-like form of defense to keep everybody safe! None of that head’s up form tackling, wrapping and driving!
Well, got to rest up, giving up third and forever is tiring! See you next Saturday!
And don’t forge to donate so our cute lil’ arm tacklers can go to football camp this summer!
#Timmy’sTots
Haha that’s funny
Post-game PFF fun!
-Nolan is still the top rated passer in the PAC-12
-Bradford is the #2 WR
-Brewer has now played more than the minimum “qualifying” number of snaps, so we have 3 of the top 6 G’s in the conference. I think we all know Coach M is the real G.
-Jones is now .1 away from being our top rated CB. He’s the top run stopper by a decent margin already.
-Lolohea is our top DL and both he and Rawls are top 10 in the conference
After yesterday’s loss, I’m considering pulling my annual donation for the beavers football program. I’m not getting much value for my $10 annual donation…
And yet you seek out people to comment on this.. do whatever you want, and don’t look for gratification from anyone especially in a message board
Just a guess here, but I think he’s kidding.
It’s so hard to tell these days, isn’t it?
Gary Patterson out at TCU, effective immediately.
Wow
He was a DC. And has spent time in oregon. Maybe we can get him cheap? At this point I’ll take anyone but tibs…almost.
He would be a homerun hire.
Never seen a coach that can do so much with so little on defense.
That would be great. Don’t know if he’s ready to step down to DC role, maybe he’d really enjoy it and have fun scheming and teaching.
I thought what he did at TCU could be a model for OSU, didn’t have the resources of Texas or aTm, but fielded some competitive teams with some pretty good bowl games. Of course he also had a football obsessed, talent rich part of the country to recruit from, where genuine 3*s are pretty damn good.
He’s tried virtually every conceivable defense possible, to the point where he lined up a safety at nose tackle.
Sometimes, it just doesn’t work. He’s had some bad seasons, but also had all-time great defenses. Maybe TCU needs a younger coach
His defenses had problems getting off the field and the offense couldn’t score points according to ESPN. Sound familiar???!
Defensively yes. Offensively not so much, but yesterday, yes. I think smith and Lindgren are two of the top offensive minds in football. That’s just me though, I reserve my right to retract that statement if the next few games we score less than 30 in any of them. Especially next weeks game
From ESPN: “Patterson arrived at TCU as Dennis Franchione’s defensive coordinator in 1998 and took over as head coach in 2001. He went 181-79 at TCU and oversaw the Horned Frogs’ rise from being left behind after the breakup of the Southwest Conference back through Conference USA, the Mountain West and back into the Big 12, largely due to the success the school had under Patterson.
The 2010 Horned Frogs, in the Mountain West, made history as the first team from a non-automatic qualifying conference to play in the Rose Bowl during the BCS era, and they finished the season 13-0 with a 21-19 win over No. 5 Wisconsin. Patterson was also celebrated in Fort Worth for his dominance of Texas, going 7-3 against the Longhorns since the Horned Frogs joined the Big 12 in 2012.
Patterson led TCU to 17 bowl appearances during his tenure — the school had previously been to a total of 17 bowl games between 1896 and his first season as head coach — and he went 11-6 in those bowls. TCU finished in the top 10 of the AP postseason poll six times, including a No. 2 finish in 2010 and No. 3 in 2013.”
If he has the energy, and wants to focus on defensive coaching without all of the administrative overhead of being a head coach, I bet he’d do well somewhere. He could probably afford to take a job situation he liked for less pay.
I liked that in his heyday he simplified the game for his D and let them play fast, whereas Banker in contest would admit to over complicating things (CW) thus requiring excessive, exhausting hand jiving, which only confused his D more and allowed them to be taken advantage of by freshman QBs who didn’t wait for them to line up…
“CORVALLIS, Ore. – The No. 3 Oregon State men’s soccer team shutout California, 2-0, notching its second shutout in a row and seventh this season in Corvallis, Ore. on Sunday. The Beavers improve to 11-1-2 (6-0-1 Pac-12). Earlier in the season, the Beavers edged past the Golden Bears, 1-0, in Berkeley, Calif. ”
https://osubeavers.com/news/2021/10/31/mens-soccer-no-3-beavers-shutout-california-2-0.aspx
That’s great!! Thanks Mrs Boss. Cheers!!
My family has instructions to check me into the Alzheimer’s ward if I ever start watching or caring about soccer.
And why is everyone talking about Oregon State on this Green Bay Packer forum???
It’s time.
Agreed. BG is in the top 5 AB’s for comments about soccer.
Hey Nice Beaver, how do the commitments and recruits in 2022 look from a speed standpoint in defense? Any particularly quick and fast D lineman or LBs?
Yes, Hickle, Donaldson and Jordon are all particularly fast at their position. Shaw could surprise if he goes LB.