This is from the prior thread:
When I say the limitations of statistical sheets, I’m talking about the fact there’s a big difference between Ohio State or Michigan going for 4th down conversions compared with Oregon State. Smith just sees the 4th down conversion rate and thinks it doesn’t depend on all those variables that go into being Ohio State or Michigan, including a usually much inferior opponent with undersized defenders, etc. Think how much Oregon under Chip skewed that conversation rate, for example. If he wants a more accurate representation of the actual rate, he should look at the bottom 50% schools and their rate of success going for 4th downs.
Of course there are other factors that won’t wind up on a stat sheet, like the refs for that game, how gassed the opponent is, weather conditions, team confidence levels, etc. This is a big reason I have been critical of Smith’s decisions. Much more important than a flawed stat sheet is a head coach who is observant and has feel for the game. If a coach is observant and has feel, he’s going to know what to do. This is why someone like Bill Snyder always seemed to make the right call, despite not using a sheet. In a way the sheet is a cop out to make the difficult decision for the coach, and in that sense they might be hiding behind it. It’s hard to criticize a coach when he can say, “I just followed the maths!”, but it also makes you wonder why you’re paying him, because if not for getting the difficult decisions correct, then what?
Someone correct me if I’m wrong and the stat sheet is factoring all of these variables in. I think the NFL has more of these variables baked in with the more advanced Next Gen stats, but to my knowledge the NCAA isn’t that advanced.
The number one is a prime number….so there you go!
Actually, one is defined to not be a prime number.
Also, it doesn’t take into consideration players playing injured (trying to impress teammates and coach) and cohesive smarts of the team — you will always be limited by the dumbest player (doesn’t know the plays/snap count etc, leading to bad/disjointed blocking, false starts)
https://thepowerrank.com/top-analytics-articles/
There was one 4th down near the end that they missed a FG in I thought they should have gone for it on.
It was 4th and 3 from the USU 26 with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd.
Yep, agree. Should have gone for the win at Colorado, too, based on what was going on in that game. Smith seems to do the exact opposite of what should be done every time. I think I’ve agreed with his 4th call only ~10% of the time.
Yeah, I mean I get the being aggressive in some sense. I think it can give a team an identity and if guys buy in maybe they play with a bit more of an edge. Some of the 4th down calls are debatable, some are reckless. But a few times this year with stakes high and odds pointing to aggressiveness we have gone conservative… that can’t be good for team psyche either.
“Smith seems to do the exact opposite….”
Couldn’t agree with you guys more. Almost like he is bored out of his mind, wants to get fired. I can see him trying new things as a young head coach, but he hasn’t shown any type of wherewithal to learn from these mistakes….so frustrating!! And like many of you have noticed — in many cases it isn’t the decision to go or not to go, it is the quality of playcalling, just horrible play selection. Gos back to the Reverse Coaching philosophy….”we need to do the opposite of the opposite to keep the opponent guessing”, when in reality they have selected a low success rate play, or even worse picked a play so far out there that the team is disjointed and can’t execute. They’ve used Colletto successfully so many times this year— a shame they didn’t try to use him one last time. Makes all the winnable games harder to stomach.
A big factor for me is “can you beat this team while playing conservatively?”
If the answer is no, then go ahead and gamble, knowing you will need this gamble to pay off to win.
If the answer is yes, play the risk averse option and plan to have a better next possession.
In most of the botched 4th down gambles this year, they were against teams the Beavs could beat straight up, but we gambled, failed, and gave the opponent an advantage.
For example, the Stanford game. Clearly we were the better team that day. Yet for some reason, leading in the 3rd quarter 21-7, we elect to go for the 4th down conversion at our own 33 yard line. And we fail. Stanford ball at the 33. Fortunately Stanford turned it back over, but what was the point? We could have easily yielded a score to give Stanford new life at 21-14. Or, we could have punted the ball downfield and forced Stanford move the ball on us, which they hadnt done well all day.
My god that was hard to watch….are the head coaches trying to make the game interesting? Makes no sense at all!!! And you would think that would at least try some option fake or hurry up to draw them offsides. I think the coaches are bored.
Maybe smith is part of a point shaving scandal.
That’s a good point as well, but any team can win on any given Saturday, so it should be at least the the 2nd half (3rd Q) before any conclusion/decision like that is made.
That’s why this one was such a head scratcher. We had a 21-7 lead in the 3rd quarter and Stanford wasnt moving the ball on our defense. Punt it and defend a full field, or risk gifting Stanford the ball just outside the redzone. Stanford more than anything, needed the ball in our territory to have a chance, and we handed that to them. Just fortunate they threw an INT right after that.
Would like to go back through the years and count losses that had a high rate of winning should the coaches had done a better job (this year Purdue, WSU, Colorado) — each game having major gaff(s) in play selection or aggressiveness level. There are at least three potential wins this year. Games like USC, Utah, and ASU shining examples of coaching smart, coaching to the teams strengths.
Purdue — very early 4Q, going for it on 4th down on own 38 yard line (16-14), and Beavs being last ones to score in 3Q….total momentum killer.
WSU — 3Q? Beavs showing running game dominance though out entire game about to go up by two scores at WSU 5 yrd line. Instead of running the ball, coaches start passing in tight red zone leading to lucky INT (think ball went through Beason’s hands off someone’s butt). Keep running the damn ball!!!
Colorado — many long passing play calls throughout the game the bad OT play selection….such a frustrating game.
Is it safe to say that JS is Riley 2.0? Decent coach that can come in and make a team competitive — win and lose close games, but heavily handicapped by own myopic aggressiveness/conservatism (lack of feel for game in crunch time)…needs stars to align for magical season? Or is JS the anti-Riley, firing Tibesar show cajones, just ultra aggressive, feel for game be damned??
And what is with the long passes anyway? Is that just trying to build Nolan’s confidence? He dropped a couple nicely in the basket against USC, but never seemed to hit them reliably after. Maybe he gets them done in practice against OSU’s weak secondary and it gives the team false confidence he can do it game time?
The 4th down play calling is not just un-strategic, they’re anti-strategic given the situations as many have pointed out here. As Angry pointed out, that’s a Smith flaw. I don’t think its likely to change because its not an intellectual decision process.
And that crap about building an aggressive identity – how does you build an aggressive identity if you fail at it and lose? It just sets up an acceptance for failure in my opinion. “Its ok if it didn’t work. We were being agressive.” You want an aggressive identity, it has to carry over to defense, not just gambling on fourth down calls.
Smith is probably best as an OC. He’s improved the talent after Riley and Andersen’s woefully poor recruiting. Major next steps;
Get speed and brains on D;
Jettison the 4th down scratch ticket approach;
Win on the road; and
Don’t play down to the level of competition. Ever. Good+ teams don’t do that.
Between this pratfall and what I expect will be a 5 win next season, this program’s progress is taking a hit at just the wrong time. With a new stadium and expensive “lodge” seating areas, this is a bad time to perform poorly.
I hope Gulbranson and Vidlak bulk up and get some reps in spring and fall. It’d be nice to see a QB who looks comfortable you know, throwing the ball.
The long passes have driven me crazy all year too. Nolan’s terrible at hitting them but he’s good with shorter stuff…makes no sense. We’ve killed so many drives beating our heads against a wall trying to make the deep pass a thing.
This is one area where I’ll defend Lindgren. There were a few play action plays that resulted in wide open TE’s. Nolan hit them a few times and missed a few. You need to take some shots down the field to loosen up coverage and keep the safeties honest.
It would be stupid to say “we’re just never going to throw the ball downfield because our QB doesn’t have the best arm.” What you should do is run them in situations where you’re not putting yourself too far behind on the drive by taking the shot (e.g. 2nd and 4 or less). What you shouldn’t do is throw them to Champ. THAT was maddening.
Thought Ean said it well- generally being aggressive on 4th down can give some identity and give the team an edge. I’m fine with that approach in general. Personally I’d rather err on the side of aggressive on 4th down than conservative, and I think overall that wins you more games. That said, I certainly disagree with some of the calls this year, and being randomly conservative when you Should go for it does seem like it would be really deflating for the team.
Completely agree with NiceBeav as well – that Stanford call might have been the worst call of the season. Really bad. Completely unnecessary, and just a gamble. D was playing well, bad field position, we were in control of the game- just no reason to do that.
On the opposite extreme, a lot of people were up in arms about the WSU fake punt, and I’ve got very little problem with that one. Our defense was completely outmatched there (thanks Tibs) and didn’t get a stop in the 2nd half. I think punting is pretty silly in that scenario- field position doesn’t matter, so fight for points at all costs. I completely disagree that that decision cost us that game- that L was all about atrocious D, terrible offensive playcalling (abandoning the run) and tons of drops by the pass catchers.
That WSU play call was terrible though. The punter throwing a deep floater on a fake punt and Smith even acknowledged afterwards he knew the DB couldnt get called for PI on that one. Turns out Rolo had his team prepared and defended it perfectly by shoving the receiver out of the way.
Deep pass in any scenario is a poor play call for OSU given who is throwing the ball, but on a play where the receiver can get shoved out of the way, it makes no sense.
Yeah go play action, or run the ball with Colletto — 40+ years of armchair QB experience.
Agree 100%. Our playcalling on 4th down in general has been really bad at times and that playcall in particular was awful.
On 4th and short this year, there was no excuse for Colletto to not be involved in the play ever. Give it to him or fake it to him- those are the options.
That was probably the worst play call of the season
A big issue I see is we often don’t play to our strengths. Stanfords entire success under Hardballs and Shaw was based on playing to their strength on offense. Everyone and their mother knew they would rush in a heavy package 20+ times a game and throw to the TE 8+ times a game but they simply executed so well that it was hard to stop.
We seem to know our strength and then use it as a deception to fool the other side. That’s fine like 5-10
Snaps a game but we dick around with clever attempts like half our snaps. Pretty sure we could score on most of the teams we played by just having a 2-1 ratio with typical rushing plays and sweeps.
Totally agree with this- very frustrating. Relatedly where was the Colletto I-formation? No one really stopped it all year- why didn’t we run it more? It was just an occasional gimmick when it could have been a major staple.
We need to run more I-formation. I’m really hopeful Horton can bulk up and become a meaningful part of the offense next year. Being able to run stuff like that that most teams don’t is a huge advantage.
Whether or not Bray is our best option for next few years or longer at DC, I am not sure Smith earned the right to make that decision ahead of the bowl game when the last point of reference was a very bad game against Oregon. Yes we looked better against Stanford but they were really down and ASU seemed partially effected by ASU not being very interested in a back to back road game on cold and adverse condition evening.
There were a few OK things against Utat St but all in all it wasn’t a good performance. Took a 1 inch line fumble that USU seemed to have at first until theyvguy lost it in the end zone for Beavs to not lose 31-13. He gave up 120 yards to Calvin Tyler who was our 3rd or 4th string back and the QB with ZERO experience looked miles more comfortable than Nolan out there finding his receivers.
With Smith’s overall OSU record of 17-38 only a 30% win rate I think the DC decision was too important to not have another data point. I don’t think he conducted any real “interviews” either. Just made a couple calls for a couple of general conversations. Don’t think he went past that from my assessment of the actual efforts made.
Problem is you are looking at score of one game to make a decision. Overall, you have to look at the body of work. ASU was not a slouch offensively and Bray shut them down simply on good game planning. Defense played well against USU as well. Smith said he hired Bray because he simplified defensive concepts. I played for a coach in high school who won a national assistant coach of the year award as a defensive coordinator. Our defensive concepts were simple but we had room to adjust and adapt as a player based on what we saw. He just adjusted scheme. The other reason I am buying into Bray is he expressed that the defense will be determined by personnel. Which is crucial to Oregon State’s success. With us being more of a developmental program as opposed to a recruiting powerhouse. We can be the Utah of the PAC-12 North if we continue our current trajectory. I know every Beaver fan is freaking out, but we are on the right trajectory. If our win total dips next year than I will be concerned, but most Beav fans predicted a lot worse than 7 wins.
I don’t think most Beav fans predicted a lot worse than 7 wins.
And some recent posts from you about Tinkle and men’s basketball really dent your credibility about sportsball coaches. Tinkle is a buffoon, end of story.
I posted it before and I’ll post it again: our defense improved by just about every measure under Bray, without our best defensive player (Julian). And that’s without having the benefit of being DC during fall camp, being able to set the foundation for the D himself. Bear in mind, even our personnel are partially a reflection of Tibesar’s philosophy.
Any condemnation of Bray is premature at this point.
Let’s see: Happy feet, can’t hit a short route in stride, can’t throw the deep ball.
At that point, all we have is a Chance.
The bowl game commentator pointed this out on his pass to Gould. Said if you hit him in stride that is a touchdown. Said that’s the next step in his game.
I like Bray so far, and I like Nolan as a backup, which is what he was slotted to do. Probably the best backup in the league next year. Huge advantage all this experience.
Who you think will get the nod? Gebbia, gulbranson, vidlak or a transfer? I would think if anything odds would be transfer, Gulbranson, vidlak than gebbia.
I was at the bowl game and watched the team warm up. Gebbia looked full strength but the 2/3 throws I saw he needs a lot of work getting back to normal. His balls were 5 yards behind receivers on their out patterns. Small sample size but looked very rusty on the few times I saw
I’m really not sure but of that group I like a healthy Gebbia best. I like the other two guys quite a bit, but I’m going off HS film with them…
Keep hearing Gulbranson has a good arm, but missed his mop up duty.
Is there a body of work to suggest Gebbia can bake most/all of the throws? I think he telegraphs throws and throws to low, passes batted down or worse caroming off his linemen’s melons….
I’d expect Nolan to transfer if he loses the starting job next year. Any G5 program would take him, as would any team built around the running game that doesn’t have to have a game-changing QB to be successful.
On an alternate timeline where we have an average defense instead of an embarrassing one, we probably win the North, maybe the PAC-12 with Nolan as our QB.
All that said, JS has stated in the past he values consistency, so I’m expecting Nolan to remain the starter.
If we think we can contend in 2022, then I think you almost have to go Nolan or possibly Gebbia. Breaking in a new QB is always a painful process, even if they’re the future.
One thing that would make Nolan way more effective is being allowed to run more. Some designed runs, some ability to scramble. It’s obvious that was coached out of him around midseason this year. And maybe that made sense with our depth situation. But next year with quality depth I’d target 5-10 rushes per game and let him use that skillset that we squashed this year.
And then the other big thing would be tailoring the playbook to him better. Fewer deep shots, more short & intermediate stuff to play to his strengths. If you look at the detailed PFF ratings he’s awful on long passes but elite on short and intermediate…
It doesn’t seem to me like we adjusted our offense at all to Nolan’s strengths- just tried jamming a square peg in a round hole all season. I think he’s a lot better than what he seemed like in our offense, and if he transfers into a friendlier system I could see him tearing it up a la McMaryion.
Don’t you think defenses know they though? I thought the bowl game was a perfect indicator that if you can’t get a few long passes in the offense will stall. So many yards but no points. Reminded me of the Saints the last couple of years once Breeze couldn’t throw it down field. That pass to Beason was beautiful but it was probably what the 6th see ball competed all year?
I would think any qb is smiths system could compete the short passes. Need someone that can get the ball accurately down the field.
I think not having access to the deep ball does limit you, but I think you have to be able to complete those passes to get defensive respect. We couldn’t complete them, so why bother?
OTOH having to respect a running QB should open up a lot of options on the offense as well – maybe as many as having a credible deep threat.
As someone mentioned above, we could have played to our strengths, gone power run formations and dared someone to stop us. We should have had the personnel this year to play it straight up pretty successfully.
Something that I can’t figure out is how our pass rushers get in the backfield and constantly whiff. Is this a talent problem, awareness problem, angle problem, anxiety problem? Even awful teams I watch like the Jets usually seal the deal when they get in the backfield. This seems unique to the Beavs, and it’s been a problem since 2006.
It always feels like the guys that get into the backfield are coming in at a bad angle. Some of this is effective OL play, right (and our pass rushers not taking smart angles?) If the guy is going to beat you, you force him into an area where he has to change direction to get to the QB.
Good thing the edge defenders will have a new coach next year.
Besides Hamilcar in 19’ I’d agree. He was a beast that year though and didn’t seem to whiff from my memory. Beyond that I agree
He wrapped up well consistently, went for the secure sacks/TFLs over dramatic looking efforts that sometimes result in a LTFL (Lost Tackle For Loss)….
Maybe they’re so shocked to be in the backfield they get the yips and forget what to do next?
This. The “holy shit I made it” whiff.
So lame. Watch their center of gravity, wrap up and drive…
I hope the turnover chainsaw gets lost in the baggage at LAX.
So much for Sam Vidlak being in the mix. He has entered the transfer portal today per Rivals Portal twitter.
https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1473080838472486915?t=OxpDSOFG0sj0Enn4iIXH8g&s=19
Yikes. Big loss.
WTF?!?
Damn it.
That sucks. He was going to make them more watchable; natural ability to put the ball where the receiver can get it, in-state kid to root for at one of the most important positions.
So potentially lose collins and vidlak from that class. Two of the higher ranked guys. Covid created a logjam.
Was it Rona or the transfer portal?
Coaching staff jamming turds like Noyer in front of you on the depth chart would be pretty fucking annoying.
@wfo totally agree. That was my fear when noyer came in. Give those reps to someone that is the future. Noyer was never going to be the savior. Terrible move by the coaches.
Exactly. Complete waste of time and effort bringing him in and giving him all the first team reps then installing him as the starter for half a fucking game.
Is Lindgren the QB coach? Because this entire situation calls for a serious evaluation of coaching judgement and skill.
To answer that question, Lindgren is the QB coach.
Something that’s interesting, Hynson is the WR coach and passing game coordinator. It stands to reason that he’s the one making the decisions on rotating WRs in the entire game. Possibly trying to keep any from transferring out.
https://osubeavers.com/sports/football/coaches
Yep Noyer was a disaster. Called it.
The Collins rumor was nixed
Coloma isn’t leaving
Collins
That really sucks. I thought he was the future of the program.
Ouch! That’s a bad loss.
Clearly the future is not in a redshirt freshman soon to be redshirt sophomore? If Gulbranson doesn’t get the job next season, recruits are not going to want to come here if they won’t be helped in developing into the starter after 2 full seasons.
https://twitter.com/Coach_Lindgren/status/1207322361176788992?t=L5JEuZ6vjHvXoGijgpJw9A&s=19
That’s weird. What about competition?
Gulbranson injured a throwing shoulder, don’t anoint him too quickly.
That post by Lindgren was from 2019.
I posted something regarding Sam Vidlak leaving and Brayden Dorman was one of the first to “like” it.
So i guess the bright side is there will be less competition in Dorman’s way which might make OSU a more attractive destination.
But just sucks to lose a promising arm. Watch him go light it up for WSU or something now.
I’m guessing he wants to play with his brother and/or Noga somewhere. Maybe his Montana recruiter went somewhere?
Not why he left. Remember, he enrolled early and left high school with a chance to play for his dad and win a state title (if I remember correctly). Been here almost a full year and hasn’t been given many reps at all.
OT…#SoapyBeavs dropped a box at my store today. Guess i won the sweepstakes…Thanks Angry!
Nice. Let me know what you think (only if you like it).
For a team that has 2 former QBs running the offense, why is our QB room so underwhelming for 4 straight years?
They’ve whiffed on recruiting. Hopefully that will change in 2023.
Still not as bad as GA’s QB room!
To be fair, healthy Gebbia and Gulbranson, 2020 Noyer, Vidlak and Nolan is a pretty deep group. Wilner called it the best in the conference. It just ended up being pretty shallow.
That was a pretty good looking group of QB prospects.
If nothing else JS is setting himself up to be out recruited for QBs. Negative recruiter’s wet dream, don’t go to OSU, you’ll never play and the coaches will pack the roster in front of you with shitty transfers. Brilliant.
I don’t think it’s that bad really. Going into spring Gulbranson was the leader who may supplant healthy Gebbia. Nolan was essentially 4th string QB opening day if health had been there. Not a bad 4th stringer.
Just gonna drop this here…
http://angrybeavs.com/athletics/16132#comment-348264
Just call me the Nostrascottus of basketball.
Really that two weeks of magic fooled everyone. The preseason coaches poll had the Beavs finishing 4th in the league, we are now hoping they can win one more game. Two weeks of excellence does not make a tenure, we’ve had plenty of samples of WT’s underachievements over the years. This puts Barnes in a weird position and Tinkle can’t use the excuse of his son’s injury this time either.
Watch that bastard win the pac12 tournament and get another raise and extention. It’s the only viable luck o’ da beavs option at this point. We’ll never get rid of him.
I like that analogy, and it sounds like you have had some painful investing lessons. Next time buy call options on TNKL.
Here’s an interesting QB in the portal..
https://247sports.com/Player/Jack-Plummer-94528/
Tired of transfers. Let’s see what new blood can do. Losing Vidlak absolutely sucks.
I believe I had read plummer is going to play at cal. Might be mistaking but I think that’s what I had read.
I’d take Nolan over Plummer
I was merely pointing out that its an interesting QB in the Portal is all. I wasn’t suggesting the Beavs go after another transfer QB.
From what I’m hearing, it almost sounds like the Beavs were ok with letting Vidlak go. You know how they say the coaches need to recruit their current players now that the portal is here? Sounds like we didnt try very hard on our end to prevent this.
So….i guess maybe they see a size issue or some other reason to let him walk?
Hope it doesnt bite us in the ass. We’ve got 2 guys coming off season ling injuries and another who cant throw more than 20 yards down field. And a true freshman. Those injury recoveries better be looking promising.
Totally agree and thanks for the info. Do you get the sense they saw enough of him in practices and such to know what they had in him? I would have liked to see him get more game time as it’s different than playing against your teammates.
I dont know anything that detailed, just that i think guys go into post season interviews with certain expectations and sometimes the feedback from the team doesnt jive with the expectations
Gotcha thanks. I’d like to think Dorman commits and is the guy but no guarantees there. Ducks just brought in Bo Nix though they have some highly rated young qbs.
I dont love that Lindgren had an interview with Daschel just last week where he basically said he’s waiting to take the right head coaching gig somewhere else when the opportunity comes, but he’s also letting current QBs walk and favoring a 2023 guy.
Dorman may be great and a future leader, but that’s at least 2 seasons away before he can even play, and Lindgren could be long gone before then. With Lindgren gone, we wouldnt land Dorman.
It’s a gamble, and I dont like our track record with gambles.
The same gang of fucktards that thought Noyer was starter quality know what they have in Vidlak?
Well there is that…
This makes sense. They probably couldn’t sell playing time or chance to start anymore to him since he’s looked at the past few seasons where the coaches only put in transfers who have had college experience. This reminds me of the real world where a new guy comes in with no industry experience, but has experience in another field with the same title. Say a salesman for example. You can hire a transfer with industry knowledge(Juco or G5 QB), but doesn’t know the software or company policies(playbook and team rules). They are able to slowly antiquated themselves in the software and help out(practice player), but once you assign them accounts(game day) you find out if the practice you put in and the experience they have as a transfer meshes.
On the flip side, you bring in someone who has no industry experience, but has had sales roles, you know they can sell(play the game), but you also know they have a larger learning curve. How big that curve is depends upon how much help you give them(reps in practice). Is it help with an order here and there, help solve this problem or that problem, do a bunch of shadowing and walk throughs and then give them some accounts to manage. I feel coach Smith and Lindgren are worried about something in giving a redshirt Freshman a chance. Maybe they are afraid the offense will suffer from an inexperienced QB or maybe they have been prepping themselves and the players to get to a bowl game then allow the recruited younger players play the next season, knowing what its like to get to a bowl game? Now that they have tasted what its like, maybe they will own it and be hungrier in the off-season.
they recruited him, signed him…so give him development reps in practice, see how he does? I don’t understand.
Let the best player play?
Unless he wasn’t.
That doesn’t surprise me in the least. He sure as hell didn’t transfer because he thought he should have been “the guy” this year or would be next year (unless he’s delusional). I don’t get the hand-wringing over this loss. This takes “everyone’s favorite player is the backup QB” to a whole new level.
Angry: I think your basic post at the heading is one of your top five; up there with “Is Riley Depressed,” the “Riley win-cap” and in defense of Heimlich. Some commentators have suggested the following point but let me state it more explicitly. These gambles are, at a minimum, a two phase decision. (1) the decision to “go for it,” (that is, on 4th down, fake punt, 2 point conversion, etc.) and (2) what the actually play call is. Let’s take what I think can be considered the two most obvious cases, both against WSU. I happen to think, though perhaps among the minority, that going for it on 4th and short inside the WSU 50 near the end of the game, made sense. Win it there. The play call left a lot to be desired, however. As for the fake punt in Pullman this year, BOTH the decision to go for it AND the play called to execute it, were way off base.
To take a more immediate example. The Ravens going for two near the end of regulation against the Packers. The decision was warrantable but the play call (rolling out, zeroing in on the obvious receiver) is where they screwed up.
I would say you’ve oversimplified #1. First, a 2pt conversion is different than 4th down. With 4th down you should be planning for it one or two downs prior. At minimum, you should be calling a 3rd down play that improves your chances on the 4th down play. That’s where it seems this coaching staff fails. It sure feels like they don’t even think about 4th down until it’s actually 4th down, and then they run a play that was meant for the first three downs.
I think you should consider there thought that you don’t know what you’re talking about. From the numbers I see Oregon State was successful on 47-48% of forth downs this year. Last year (when they were a much worse team) they were successful on 63-64%. This year they were ahead of Oregon, who is a much better team and behind USC, who is worse. Seems to me you are using anecdotal evidence to support a position you already held.
I think 2020’s success rate factored into 2031’s decision making. It’s also possible that we saw more conservative decisions later in the season once our conversion rate dipped down into more mediocre territory. Pretty dumb if that’s the case, given Collwtto’s success rate was in the 70-80% range and there was rarely a reason to not use him.
*2021.
I hope we’re not still debating this in 2031 under Head Coach Jack Colletto.
Mark, not sure who you are talking to but I assume you are talking to the entire thread? You should read the posts above, and many arguments before regarding WHEN AND HOW the coaches are going for it on 4th down. Even with a 50% conversion rate, it makes no sense to basically flip a coin and go for it in your own territory, or go for it using plays that just suck. I would bet JS is closer to %10 in do-or-die situations — it just makes no sense. Maybe that’s why he opted for the field goal try on a 4th and 3 on USU’s 26 yrd line — perhaps he’s starting to learn from the math — although that is the one case in the game where he probably should have gone for it….
Slovis to Pitt, apparently. Chevan Cordeiro to SJSU. I guess we don’t have interest in any other transfer QB’s?
We’ll see Chevan in 2023 when he’s a senior. 6th year senior somehow.
Now that we’re near year end, it’s time for my annual review:
1. How did you like the vibe of the site this year vs last?
2. Would you be more or less inclined to read AB next year based on this year’s experience?
3. Anything we can do to improve? Time is limited, but taking reasonable suggestions.
4. Add anything observations or recommendations.
Thanks!
1. Once we got over the political and COVID discussion, things improved dramatically
2. I’m cursed to be a Beaver fan for life and I live in Ohio, so I might as well vent somewhere. There’s a level of analysis on different topics here from a variety of contributors that you really don’t see elsewhere.
3. Keep working on that press pass. They’re still doing virtual conferences, so the distance shouldn’t be an issue.
4. I liked the gameday COTT polls. We all think/say stupid stuff during games and it’s fun to revisit after the fact. Some vocal people thought it was dumb, but they don’t have to participate if they don’t like it.
Like I said, there’s some really good analysis on here that could make sense as standalone posts. Maybe we could turn some of that into comment-free “articles” as an alternate type of post to the typical discussion threads.
I like the COTT a lot, too. Interactive, makes people think about their comments, and funny. It became time consuming to parse through the entire thread searching for them. Maybe someone could volunteer to accumulate anything that gets nominated for a COTT? I can then put up a poll. If anyone is willing to do that in game threads email me.
There has to come be a bot plug-in that can search for keywords and pull the original comment. I think chatbot is used for WordPress but definitely not my zone of expertise or interest.
Can’t you add a widget like the up/down thumbs? Then people can just click it on their favorite COTT, and you can find the one with the most.
1) Got better. I’m not a huge fan of the negativity but a change is a big ask considering.
2) probably the same. I’m an addict.
3) guest posts/articles would be good. For instance I’d be happy to do a roster comparison article in spring and fall to see how players have changed in the off season. Also a way for us to put together a question package for press conference or coaches that gets answered by staff would be cool. I like COTT and most of the work should be able to be taken care of with a keyword search on a bot.
4) We need an award for people calling games the soonest in game threads. It’s become an annoying competition so we might as well institutionalize it.
If you want to write a guest post about something like that, do it and email it to me.
I agree with #4. There should be an award for someone who calls the game early, and they’re right. If they’re wrong then let them eat crow and get called out in the post game thread.
Enjoy the dialogue here Angry and I feel like you really value me. Thanks.
Random question: who on offense would you consider a leader for the Beavs? It’s usually the qb so is it Chance or someone else?
My guess is Bradford and Flemings.
My guess would be Bradford as well. Eldridge on the oline as well
Re: the deep ball
Nolan’s adjusted downfield accuracy (crediting drops as accurate passes) this year was 40% (third quartile for PAC-12 QB’s). Gebbia’s last year was 46% (second quartile for PAC-12 QB’s). Nolan’s closest comp in that area is Seth Collins. It’s pretty obvious from this list that the Garrettson years were our low point as a program.
Here’s how leading Beav passers have fared over the years:
2018- Blount (62%)
2018- Luton (59%)
2019- Luton (53%)
2016- McMaryion (50%)
2020- Gebbia (46%)
2014- Mannion (45%)
2021- Nolan (40%)
2015- Collins (38%)
2017- Garrettson (35%)
2015- Mitchell (27%)
2016- Garrettson (13%)
*This is on passes of 20+ yards
That makes much more sense haha. How does that compare to a Top 5 qb nationally?
Depends on the year, but generally if you’re over 60%, you’re top 5 or top 10 nationally.
Bring back Conor Blunt then LOL!
Is that a small sample size outlier?
He had a really weird statistical season. He split time with a few other guys so that’s only about 5 games’ worth of plays. He was one of the top QB’s in the country on deep (20+) and intermediate (10+) routes, but pretty bad on short routes, he fumbled a lot, and he took a ton of sacks.
He transferred to WKU the next year and started a few games for them with really mediocre results, so I think it’s safe to say he would have regressed to the mean if we had kept playing him.
Good gravy! I forgot about Nick Mitchell…
Just for kicks because I realized the PFF database goes all the way back to 2014…
Highest rated OSU defensive players by year:
2014- Steven Nelson
2015- Treston Decoud (followed closely by Kyle Peko….is the DT curse all in our heads?!?!)
2016- Xavier Crawford
2017- Elu Aydon (again…a DT!)
2018- Elu Aydon (!!)
2019- Hamilcar Rashed (duh)
2020- Avery Roberts
2021- Jack Colletto…but if you insist on using only high snap count players, it’s Alton Julian
Peko was a bad ass. We need a Peko on the defensive line and that would take it to the next level
How do you develop that “bad ass” attitude under a mild mannered HC like JS?
Maybe Bray is the answer?
How about a systemic change to the public presentation, change up the weekly press conference schedule; highlight the “big hitter of the week”?
You have them watch UFC-MMA fights every night before a home game. Then you put them in an octagon….last man standing wins.
Shows the flaw of PFF.
How so?
I don’t take it as absolute truth, but I tend to trust the observations of people watching every player on every play individually. The grades aren’t meant to say “best player.” It’s
more like “player who executed his assignment the best.”
Trying to track scholarships is a losing battle, but if anyone wants to know, I have us at 82 after the Roberts, Teagan, and Vidlak news.
Let me know if you see something glaringly wrong: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14aiO9DPZKktzHAsY7xi5wN_lGUMBwZ33mCC-xJsz3FQ/edit?usp=sharing
Didnt Cody Anderson get put on scholarship this year?
I don’t know; I don’t see any news articles when searching for “Cody Anderson” and some combination of “oregon state” and “scholarship”.
That’s why this is so hard, those one-offs plus the special teamers are impossible to track.
Thanks for making this spreadsheet and tracking this. These type of things make me like this site even more.
Curious what people thoughts are if we are currently at 3 open spots, very likely we will have a few more this next few weeks. Where should the coach’s target?
I think everyone would think 1-2 impact dlineman. I’d throw in linebacker. With TQ going pro maybe a transfer te also? Or do we have enough talent ready to go there
Agree, it can be difficult to track, and the team won’t share that information with you.
Some time last yesr, Anderson was about to leave the team. He might have even submitted his name in the portal. But Smith pulled some strings and was able to get Anderson to come back. Thought it was related to not being on scholarship, but not sure if Smith gave him one, or found a way to allocate some leftover scholarship money to CA to cover some costs
How did Colletto end up with only 1 snap in the LA Bowl? A dumb penalty prevented a likely use of him 2 or 3 possessions before he was eventually used 1 time and ran for like 7+ yards. But that was it.
There really is no good reason we couldn’t use him every series. Provides a spark and he is just as capable of picking up 4 or 5 yards on 1st down as are most our backs. Don’t see how you don’t egt Colletto atleast 5 touches a game on offense. I would do 6 or 7.
Maybe Smith’s analytical sheet marks Colletto “off limits” for several downs after he has seen action on D or SpTms?
Really, hard to justify not using him more.
Nearly as hard to justify as not having a few designed runs for Chance.
I do not understand not letting Nolan run more as well. He really is fast but it’s never used.
The only thing I can think of is when he does run it seems like he gets laid out every time.
Yes, too dumb to slide I guess.
He played a little fullback also, but I can’t recall a time when they handed off to him out of that formation, so yeah only one touch for the entire game.
Regarding COTT
What do y’all think of this: anyone could reply to a possible COTT with a “nomination” comment, those who agree can upvote the nomination. This would avoid cluttering the thread with several comments in support.
I’d be glad to make a list of the most popular nominations and email it to angry so he could put up a poll.
Thoughts?
Makes sense. You can just control+f the word “nomination” and find them easily.
Until the serial downvoter starts spamming the thread with that word…
¡Bastardo!
I wasn’t planning to search for any particular word when I said “nomination” comment. Figured I’d be reading the thread and would easily spot comments which supported a possible COTT. Something like, “COTT !!” or “Best yet”, stuff like that.
I’m down with that. Just during football season, correct?
Well, that reoccurring nightmare that is MBB is on the air. Playing Alitishe’s old school. Will “the streak” reach 11 games?
Sort of ugly (10 TO’s), but Lucas is going off with 14 pts. Beavs ahead 41-25 at the half.
Beavs finally win one fairly easily 83-61.
They looked like a different team offensively tonight. They pounded it inside and made shots and when they didn’t, they got fouled and made free throws. This is not a win to sneeze at. Nicholls State was 8-4 and are favored to win their conference. Who knows if it was an aberration, but it looks like they have found something. Still a ways to go for this team but hopefully this is the win that gets the spark going.
This should propel us to the Final Four!
Hopefully a turning point. Basketball is such a mental game, maybe this will give the guys more confidence in each other.
How was ball movement? To me, that was the biggest difference between the tourney run and this nightmare
The interior passing was pretty good, but too many dumb turnovers in the first half. Nicholls is a decent mid-major, but they were without two players who combined contribute 20 pts a game, so the Beavs caught a bit of a break. Lucas is on one of his unreal shooting streaks, Calloo is a mess right now (sounds like he may have had COVID). Silva had his best game of the season, but if you think he couldn’t jump before, he has no mobility with his knee problems (Calloo has knee issues too). Everyone contributed, but I still think Tinkle plays too many players and they can’t get into any rhythm. Malone-Key is a starter now. Hunt is gone for undisclosed personal reasons.
I would agree with this, they were much better passing in the interior. Much better offensively, but they still have a lot to clean up. Turnovers being one of them, the other being the occasional lapses in interior defense/defensive rebounding. Calloo’s minutes are definitely in jeopardy with Glenn Taylor Jr. emerging. It’s becoming clearer though that Davis, Alatishe, and Lucas are the catalysts of this team and we will go as they go. To your point about playing too many players I agree and I think the injuries/defections have helped this team, because they are allowing more minutes for guys to get comfortable. Addition by subtraction.
Lucas seems to play a lot better when he is finding open mid-range shots as it takes the pressure off his 3 ball. I also think he is playing much looser on the offensive end. But one things for sure, this team is a lot better with him off the ball roaming the perimeter making teams chase and make poor decisions. He was fouled on two 3 point shots last night and one of them was a 4 point play. that’s 7 points alone on those two plays.
Oregon is hiring Nebraska’s DL coach for the same position on Lanning’s staff. Meaning Coach Joe will be available as soon as his contract expires(likely Jan 1st)
I hope Smith has the onions to go after him and make a change on his staff.
Please oh please let them upgrade the DL coach.
Lanning is making some interesting hires:
-OC hired away from one of the worst P5 offenses
-DL coach hired from one of the worst run-stopping P5 defenses
Either he is crazy like a fox, had a limited network due to age/experience, or he is a poor hiring manager.
But Nebraska was the best 3-9 team EVER! Just ask em…
They were a lot like this year’s basketball Beavs: really good at losing close games
The “onions” lol
Damn! Men tied their longest win streak of the season tonight!
Cruel! (but funny)
I think the question is will they win more games than the football team? I might take the under on that!
Too many taters?
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/kent-state-lineman-pukes-on-field-gets-flagged-for-false-start/
Did #19 Thomas play in less than 4 games this season?
No he played in 12 games
Ahhh was hoping he was able to redshirt. He looks like he has potential to be a really good player for a few years
I’m seeing 2 games on one site, 12 on another, but only 2 tackles…
He played in every game and Easton and Saluni were the only freshman to play in all 13
That’s good info thank you. Easton looks like he has some bright day’s ahead of him at LB as well. Would have been nice to have those two red shirt. Hopefully the playing time pays off next season for them both
Easton will play a decent amount next year he’ll be our number 3 ILB behind Omar and Fisher
Could get lots of playing time if we leave the 3-4 behind. Most of our EDGE/OLB will become DE and the ILB core will be spread out to cover MLB and 2 OLB. I suspect Fischer will be one of the OLB and Speights will stay MILB. We could see lots of guys like Easton, Kady, Walling, Erhart, Miller and Porter in rotation or starting at OLB. Good opportunity for some of the guys who aren’t hitting that 240 lb + you really need at ILB.
I’d like to see how Easton does in coverage. Big issue with starting linebackers this year. They did have lot of responsibility with the lack of a pass rush though.
Miller and Easton got a lot of special teams time, Franke and Stover got backup minutes, so you’d think those guys would be first in line for more playing time.
Stover is a DE/Edge for sure. 6’6 240 range. Franke probably in that spot too at 6’3 nearly 250.
Even just one solid coverage OLB would make a big difference on defense.
Gator Bowl looking for teams–so far, Illinois (no bowl) and Marshall (bowl) considering. Much like my golf game, can the Beavs get a mulligan?
There’s a lot of stuff floating around out there about this, but it looks like Illinois is being the loudest. If whatever committee is going to be fair regarding 5-7 teams, Rutgers has the higher APR and beat them head to head. I guess Bielema is trying to get the powers to be to make a quick decision?
Edit- supposedly Rutgers turned it down, so that’s why all of the Illini talk.
Arent all non-bowl teams already home for the holidays? Seems like this would be tough to pull off logistically.
One would think, but I don’t know how that semester/quarter thing works for colleges. Now even the Jacksonville Jags owner (Illini grad) is clamoring for them to be selected.
Imagine if OSU did get it, and Chance Nolan couldnt go. Does Sam Vidlak come fill in at QB? Like an audition for his next job.
And imagine being the only team in history to have 2 bowl losses in 1 season. That would be the most OSU thing ever.
Get a intramural team together–Colletto at QB, Champ at TB, Musgrave at FB–the possibilities are endless!
Bowl teams that have played are home as well.
OSU should hold.out for an opening in the playoffs. I read GA’s QB just tested positive, maybe their whold team will get sick and the Beavs can swoop in to help fill that spot.
And then Michigan will get sick, beavs advance to play Bama.
It’s a coin flip for the Beavs to win the whole thing!
Just looked this up, appears to be jt Daniels the backup. Unless you have some newer info. If it’s jt and the starter that would be very bad for georgia
Oh, probably. I just heard “Georgia QB” on the radio and assumed it was the starter.
Sounds like the whole QB room is on some extra testing protocol now because of close contact though. So who knows, maybe they’ll all get it.
UofO(micron) for NCAA champs!
How likely is it that the covid madness about the Omicron variant continues to increase to the point that all sports are cancelled going into the spring, including bowls, marchmadness, super bowl?
It might be simpler to just stop testing everyone and just play ball. Vaccines aren’t stopping any spread of the virus and this is a milder variant anyway. Natural immunity from those who have recovered plus the vaccine percentages seems to point to a herd immunity for the general population.
Herd immunity doesn’t pay the bills, or enrich executives, or help the odds of government power grabs.
Just sayin’
I’m at home with the corona virus right now. Vaccinated but I didn’t get the booster.
Went down to la for the bowl game, got back Sunday. Monday woke up with a sore throat and by mid day was jacked sick. Got tested Monday night. Covid sucks
I hope you have a speedy recovery. I don’t have time for the mass vaccination sites and I can’t get in for my booster at my local pharmacy until Jan 7th. I’m going to stay away from crowds for sure.
That sucks, man. What strain?
I think tomorrow the PCR test will come in and tell me. I did the at home one Monday night. Went to the drive thru place Tuesday and wife had me lay the extra $130 for fast results and the “free” pcr test. Just waiting for those results
Wait on pcr, got the expedited one which was a positive covid
My dad is jabbed, he took the train up to Washington for a reunion and caught the Rona. He got both tests done and the quick one said negative but the long one came back positive.
I just got the booster today. Hope I didn’t wait too long.
I’ve heard the lack of energy is really severe.
I’ve avoided big crowds and travel, but am still doing (clean) restaurants…
I could see it going that direction, but hope not. Especially with the confluence of rapid spread and family holiday gatherings as well as high testing rates.
I’m not a right winger or anything, but you gotta ask, does this Omicron spread even register on anybody’s radar any other year if the initial Covid outbreak didnt happen?
I know you can’t get away with saying it’s “just a cold” or “just a flu”, but any other year that’s exactly what everybody would be saying.
Cant remember how many times in my life I’ve said:
“Oh…i’m feeling a bit under the weather this week. It’s just a cold that will run it’s course” and then it did run it’s course. And that’s what Omicron appears to be doing. We’re never going to be able to stop it, so best course would be to learn to cope and live with it, imho.
I would think it would register even if…
The general consensus (flame away) is yes, it is a less severe variant, but without anyone having a vaccination-I would think we all be saying “I’ve never had the flu like this before”
I have the vaccine and I was very very sick Monday. Today is day 3 and I’m still sick as hell but a lot better. Much worse than a common cold, at least whichever strain I have.
Im 34 and healthy weight, exercise etc…. Not a chance in hell I could run around like this. Sucks to even walk 20 feet to a bathroom
A friend recently got COVID from her truck-driver husband. She did the J&J about two months ago. She was not very sick (compared it to her Spring allergies), but she did lose a little taste and smell. Tested negative after four days. Her husband is a full-blown anti-vaxxer and is still sick, has lost 22 lbs, (he is not hospitalization sick), was on his back for a week.
I had Rona this year and Influenza B about 3 years ago.
Rona lasted longer. Influenza was *way* worse. I can see how people develop pneumonia and die from it by the thousands every year.
My son brought some crud home from middle school about a month ago. Sore throat for a day, runny nose and cough for a week with some chest congestion. Common cold. Could have been the Necronomicon Rona, don’t care cuz I’m not getting tested for the sniffles and a cough. It’s the fucking sniffles folks.
Tell that to the people who died, tough guy. Let me guess they were just pussies.
People die from Rona and flu you stupid bitch. That will never stop no matter how many jabs you get.
“I can see how people develop pneumonia and die from it by the thousands every year.”
Then
“It’s the fucking sniffles folks.”
All in one post.
Look up the symptoms of Omicron dipshit.
Dipshit cuck doesn’t understand that people die from pneumonia-like symptoms from variants like omicron
You can’t make this up
It’s not “pneumonia like” you ignorant cunt, it is pneumonia. And go ahead and hit the Google and report back how many people have died from the Omicron sniffles.
Pneumonia: Infection that inflames air sacs in one or both lungs, which may fill with fluid
Gee I wonder what the ventilators are for
Please, keep humiliating yourself, dickhead
How’s that death toll from omicron looking fuckstick?
If you’re on a ventilator it’s because you have pneumonia you fucking retard. I have literally said that twice.
I wondered what the 94 was for. IQ points obviously.
WFO taunts: “Stupid Bitch, ignorant cunt, dipshit” Stay classy, bro.
Way back in the day I was 13 also.
He probably thinks COVID is a conspiracy, even though 1,842 people died from COVID on December 21, omicron or not.
InfoWars rotted his head through.
He’s a sad, angry little man. I must be exhausting to be that hostile all the time.
That’s rich coming from you. A little man who swore up and down here like a sailor about Donald Trump as president.
You’re awfully silent now. But at least you don’t tweet mean things.
I got influenza b in college back in 2003. Thought I was going to die.
Totally get that if we didnt have an existing vaccine, it would be a different scenario.
But similar to the flu, we have a current covid vaccine available. Some use it and some dont, but people will still catch a cold or flu. And we’ll never fully control or eradicate a cold and/or flu. So we end up having to deal with it existing.
Add to that the newly approved anti-viral medication Plaxovid and it’s success rate, and at what point do we just realize that we have pretty good options to manage this thing, and it’s just going to be part of life?
Will people stop saying the vaccinated spread Covid similar to the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are popping positive tests six times higher than vaccinated.
Not in Israel, most vaccinated country on the planet.
The US vax rate is 62%. The unvaccinated are 5-6 times more likely to show positive for Covid. What’s that tell you?
Not if you NEVER take the test!
This is all I have to say about the last 2 years:
Get this: the SARs Covid-19 episode has been an engineered mind-fuck from start to finish. Western Civ has been taken for a ride, fleeced, shot in the head, and left in the trunk of a car abandoned on a lonely stretch of highway. As we turn the corner into 2022, millions of surviving, de-programmed Americans may get a little worked-up about what has been done to our country and just who is responsible for it.
Merry Christmas you guys and we’ll see you next fall!
What’s been done and who’s responsible?
Max Borghi opts out of the Sun Bowl, right after I put a couple bucks on WSU. Bummer!
Didn’t like the kid at all when he smack talked (and backed it up) in the past; was hoping to ease my anger with a winning bet.
Now counting on a win by Utah to salvage this seasons betting record. Anyone with me?
Not my info, but that of another off and on user of this site.
Sounds like we’ll have another 3 transfers coming soon, on the offensive side of the ball.
My first though is the WR room needs to be thinned a little, but I have no idea what positions.
Does that open up one-for-one scholarships then?
It should, but as of now, we still have to abide by the 4 year 100 signee rule, which I’n not sure if we’re close to. Although the NCAA has talked about changing the transfer rule limits to allow teams to sign an equal number of incoming transfers to match outgoing transfers.
With TQ gone coukd the team benefit free m another TE? Maybe O linemen?
QB, RB, WR all seem fairly stacked.
Tuafa’asau, Musgrave, Overman, Byrne, Spencer, Melbourne, and 3 walk ons with Velling coming in this offseason. We’re probably okay.
Musgrave is gone
Judging from the recent portal players that our coaches tend to follow, I’d say OL amd DE are their most desired transfers, followed by CB and then QB.
Have really noticed and TE transfers that theyre chasing, except one guy from Stanford who is listed as a DE first.
I’m surprised by OL with as much depth as we have and the numbers coming in. Maybe one or more of the higher touted guys are transferring? (e.g. White)
I’m surprised they don’t seek another legit DT
Wasn’t Valsin expected to transfer? Dunmore wouldn’t shock me either.
I could see Lindsay too. He’s got alot of competition coming up.
W/the lack of continuity in PT, I could see a couple of WRs transferring.
Don’t see anything official, portal or Twitter on Valsin
I have a class with jimmy and heard from his roommate that jimmy was thinking of leaving but has said he’s staying as of last week
I do know he was considering transferring as was Collins but Damir will stay if BJ declares
Secret agent maaaannn
Jimmy’s gonna transfer!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=diVaagssHYQ
I watched Mel Counts grandson play last night for Wilsonville vs Roosevelt. He is a 6’5″ sophomore and he single handedly brought Wilsonville back from an 11 point deficit in the 4th quarter and was clearly the best player on the floor in that game. If I was Wayne Tinkle, I would keep a close on this kid’s development as hr is going to grow and only get. better. I.talked to him briefly after the game and he is a very nice kid. I would offer him a scholly as soon as possible bc you don’t want this talented youngsn going to the ducks or out of state. The game that followed between west Salem and beaverton was a great double OT win for Salem after coming back from an early 27-7 deficit to tie the game with a 30footer and send it to OT. wilsonville and west same played tonight in the tourney title game but I missed it….
Is he in the transfer portal or related to a coach? If not he will not pursue.
He is a sophomore in high school….
As a Beaver fan I don’t say this lightly, but run, kid, run.
Except you don’t want him to run to the ducks…
“Mitch Canham, the Pat Casey Head Baseball Coach At Oregon State, announced 17 additions to the program’s roster for the 2023 season.”
Snapshot of all 17 posted at sedge
https://oregonstate.rivals.com/news/oregon-state-baseball-welcomes-17
The job title is annoying. I think writers just like throwing that into articles and headlines because it’s so absurd
I think writers just copy/paste stuff put out by the school.
It’ll take some getting used to, and over time will probably fade into the background; we don’t often hear David Shaw referred to as, the “Bradford M. Freeman Director of Football ” but that’s his title.
Same for Tara VanDerveer, “The Setsuko Ishiyama Director of Women’s Basketball”
Being told the 3 offensive transfers mentioned yesterday are indeed Valsin, Musgrave and Collins.
But i havent verified it independently, so I can only say that is 2nd hand info.
I’m not going to bother following up because by the time i do, it will probably be known info anyway.
Why is Musgrave gonna transfer that is the oddest one? Weird
Unfavorable exit interview?
Collins leaving makes missing out on Ott suck more.
It might make sense if he’s going to an elite program. Sort of like when Mullaney went to Alabama. Otherwise, I don’t get it.
Musgrave is a head-scratcher for sure, particularly since he really had a lot of targets the last 2 games. I wonder if the coaches had an inkling he was getting frustrated and emphasized him in the offense more towards the end of the season.
Also, for all his talents, he had some of the worst penalties and the most inopportune times. He reminds me a lot of Caleb Smith in that regard. He couldn’t get out of his own damn way to go from good to great.
Losing Collins will hurt, I was really excited about him. I imagine this means Baylor is returning. Still, I would have had Collins placed ahead of Fenwick personally.
Collins and Lowe have similar skillsets and Lowe looks like he’s in line for even more playing time in the future, with several years of eligibility left.
In this day and age, you just don’t keep depth around for long.
Yeah, Caleb Smith is a good comparison, NFL body, Pop Warner brain.
Hey Nicebeaver, what are the rules on contacting players on other teams? I’m guessing it’s “prohibited” but pretty easy to get around. For example, say some other school mentions to Musgrave that like his game and he’d sure catch a lot of passes in their offense..
Seems like that could go on year round now with at least an implicit understanding they have an offer somewhere else before they enter the portal.
Prohibited till theyre in the portal.
But i doubt its closely policed, or teams could talk to a players parents to get around it
Phone call from a burner, done.
Lowe by end of year really was our best back.
He doesn’t run strong enough to break tackles like Baylor. He’s good in the open field, but I’m not sure he’ll ever be the workhorse.
No contact ‘til they’re in the glory hole….?
Maybe with Musgrave it is because over the whole season the TE’s were not used enough in the passing game. Just my opinion.
Other than Overman, who do we have to replace two starting TEs? That will hurt the run game.
I haven’t seen anything confirming these 3 yet.
@Krol – Ralph and Tommy Spencer are both game ready for blocking at the very least. Both have game experience now. Tommy in particular is a very big dude at 6-5 257 in the fall.
So my “sources” were incorrect regarding the Gator Bowl, it is Rutgers. The NCAA went with the APR rating. Illinois is next up if another team can’t compete. Miami is apparently struggling and will arrive the day before the Sun Bowl.
Back to the topic of playing with passion when the HC is mild mannered.
How about Alabama’s “forth quarter program” conditioning regimen which “runs four days a week in the offseason and includes grueling workouts, long-distance running, short-distance running, agility drills, mat drills and speed development drills. There’s a major mental component to it as well.”
Who said, “You have to preach physicality in everything you do…The trademark of your team is people don’t want to play you because you bring that physical brand. Not eveyone comes out of the womb as a tough guy. You’ve got to be able to weave that into your practice sessions.”?
Yup, it was Criscoball. No surprise, tough talk. But maybe there is something there the Beavs could use.
Oh yeah, the mustached maniac from quackville will be joining Crisco to further the tough guy ID.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cristobal-bringing-um-alabama-via-193438172.html
I think it was Canzano who made a snide comment after the fact about Cristobal and all of his “coach cliches”, it may have been a little bitterness on Canzano’s behalf, but I do think that Cristobal’s tough-guy talk didn’t translate that well with his Quackie’s. Time will tell in Miami.
The mustache man doesn’t seem like a tough guy, honestly. He seems more like a laughable caricature of what an insecure douche nozzle thinks a tough guy ‘looks’ like. And Crisco never impressed me as much of a tough guy either, despite his redass antics on the sideline.
The toughest guys I know, have neither the look or demeanor of these fake ass wannabee tough guys.
I knew a guy who was rail thin and about 165# but entered the tough man open class tournaments all the time and somehow used quickness, lean strength and submission holds to beat guys up to twice his size.
Tough guys come in all sizes but not always as flambouyant mustachioed weight lifters.
Regarding Musgrave, He had 1 great play all year and that was the punt block return against Utah, not even as TE.
However, he killed multiple drives with his bad blocking, false starts, and dropped passes, not to mention the last memory I will have of him as a Beaver not diving forward for a first down on 4th and 3 in a bowl game.
Good luck and good riddance to some degree. He had 3 years of chances to become what his potential seemed to be but continually let the team down. Not much to miss and he can be replaced by another TE with similar potential and maybe more discipline and better catching abilities.
Don’t completely disagree. But looking at the depth chart, who is that next guy you are talking about? I think Overman is one choice but often there are two TEs in the game.
Yes agree 100%. I’ve never understood the hype. I’m still not convinced he’s leaving but hope he ultimately moves along. He’s just not that good and we can do better.
Disappointed to see musgrave move on being the clear #1, but I’m not surprised in the least
but I’m not surprised in the least
Why?
This is pure speculation at this point right? I have not seen anything besides the rumor this was going to happen above.
I heard from someone today with ties to the team (who inquired about transfers today) Luke is going nowhere.
That’s what I figured. Also heard the same about Collins. Not sure where these rumors are coming from. I’d still rather see Luke move on. He’s not that good
He’s got the experience and from what I’ve been told, the TEs that never play are very underwhelming. Even the guys brought in last year on scholarship. So I’d feel much better going into the year with Luke and Jake than Jake and ?.
I’m a lacrosse guy and had the wonderful(lol) opportunity to coach him a little bit in HS when he quit on the team his junior year.
“Of course there are other factors that won’t wind up on a stat sheet, like the refs for that game, how gassed the opponent is, weather conditions, team confidence levels, etc. This is a big reason I have been critical of Smith’s decisions. Much more important than a flawed stat sheet is a head coach who is observant and has feel for the game. If a coach is observant and has feel, he’s going to know what to do. This is why someone like Bill Snyder always seemed to make the right call, despite not using a sheet. In a way the sheet is a cop out to make the difficult decision for the coach, and in that sense they might be hiding behind it. It’s hard to criticize a coach when he can say, “I just followed the maths!”, but it also makes you wonder why you’re paying him, because if not for getting the difficult decisions correct, then what?”
I was thinking about this team this evening. After USC, where they had terrible calls go against them, and they worked through it for victory, and v. UW, they came back to win, and they seemed very resilient. Hell, I turned off the UW game with 10 minutes of game clock left, figuring there would be 30-40 minutes of real time and a Beaver loss. I checked back in after and I was thankfully wrong.
But what this team couldn’t overcome was poor 4th down calls at poor times, going away from their strengths when strengths were working and needed….they couldn’t over come their own coaching staff decusoins! That’s something an AD should be willing to point out and demand correction. Sure, he’s not likely to challenge an individual play call in a situation, but looking at a body of work, he can I think tell Smith he expects better judgement. I maintain the staff left WSU and CU wins on the field. Some have argued Noyer shouldn’t have played against Purdue. Cal and Oregon seemed to simply outplay OSU, (though Cal was not clearly more talented) and the bowl game was embarrassing in that the OSU apparently wasn’t ready for four quarters of resistance/competition. They scored about 20 points below their average, while holding USU about 9-10 points below their average. So, throw in the bowl game with WSU and CSU, there’s potentially three more wins there. 10-3 v. 7-6 is a meaningful difference, as the perception alone affects team confidence, recruiting, tickets and support at home.
The talent differential has been greatly reduced and improved and Smith and most of his staff, and they deserve credit for that. Clearly better DTs and DBs are needed, but in most games they lost the team was not simply out-talented (WSU, CU, CAL, USU) . A team can’t be held back most by its own coaching staff, which is how this season felt.
Saw that the Hawaii bowl was cancelled last minute because the Hawaii team has covid cases and decided to pull out. But Memphis and their fans had already flown out for the game, so they basically are on a visit to Hawaii at the most expensive time of the year, to not see a football game.
I guess it’s better than paying to fly pretty much anywhere else to have a game cancelled.
I could think of worse places to be during Christmas.
Better than El Paso
Just another reason watching from home is better. Ever since hd this has been true, but air travel and covid cement it.
Maybe it’s different in other parts of the country, but going to HS games here in Ohio is actually a lot of fun. Much cheaper and more intimate than a college or NFL game and you still get the gameday experience with a decent sized crowd, band, etc.
I was talking about college and above. When you get to lower levels it’s a different feel and very cool to go in person.
I’m sure espn will find a way to ruin that, too.
SF Niners looking amazingly Beaver-like on third down:
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Niners-struggle-mightily-on-3rd-down-in-20-17-16726958.php
Even gave up a 42 yard pass on 3rd and 23….