31.Aug.2011 Sacramento State @ Oregon State (Pre-game)

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It's difficult to understand why Paul Buker & Co. are spinning Sacramento State as a threat.

 

Oh wait, no it isn't. They need to sell ad space.

 

You know what's great about running an ad-free blog? I don't care about anything, and I answer to nobody! Time for some non-controversial, non-ad-selling real talk: Beavs win this game by twenty.

The following are arguments for a possible Hornet's upset:

The Beavers are shorthanded.

The Hornets passed for a billion yards versus their last seven opponents.

The Hornets are ranked #25 in FCS.

 

Let's look at these individually.

 

  • The Beavers are shorthanded–Yes, yes they are, but this argument assumes the backups are either incapable or worse than Sacramento State's starters, neither of which is true. If they were bad players they'd be playing in the FCS.
  • The Hornets have a passing attack–Yes, yes they do, and they ran up numbers versus their last seven opponents, a prestigious list consisting of powerhouses Montana State, Northern Colorado, Eastern Washington, Northern Arizona, Portland State, Idaho State, and UC Davis. Enough said.
  • The Hornets are ranked #25 in FCS. Being ranked #25 in FCS is not the same, or even similar, to being ranked #25 in FBS. Take a look at the teams ranked above Sacramento State:

14. Chattanooga
15. Lehigh
16. Pennsylvania
17. New Hampshire
18. Jacksonville
19. Liberty
20. Stephen F. Austin
21. Southern Utah
22. Eastern Kentucky
23. McNeese State
24. Western Illinois

There isn't a respectable opponent on the list until #13, Cal Poly. Sac State is 0-3 all-time versus the Pac-10, and in those games they've been outscored 133-27 for a Delta of -106. Ouch. Incidentally, Oregon State put a 40-7 beating on them in 2003 (Cal and Stanford hold the other two Pac-10 victories).

So, in short, I am not too worried about this game. A discussion about the point spread (27.5) would make for a better debate. Personally, I think injuries and freshman jitters prevent them from covering.

36-16, Beavers.

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  • Brady says:
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    Sacramento State 24, Beavs 23…..haha, just kidding…though James Madison is in town here to take on UNC and they DID somehow, someway beat Virginia Tech last year….As long as the beavs don’t take them lightly, they win by 20 or 30

  • hellobeavers says:
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    The Beavers potentially won’t cover and that is due to not trying to cover. Remember the Portland State game a couple years ago when Canfield hit James Rodgers for about 90 yards on the first play of the game? We can probably do that just about any time we want against an opponent like this, but there isn’t any benefit from that. Mike Riley will likely take care of business in the first half and spend the 2nd half trying to get out of there without injury and working on the little nuances of the game that the average fan doesn’t recognize.

    I generally like Buker on the Beavers Beat (I would prefer Lindsay Schnell) but it has been frustrating as a fan reading his posts about Sac State potentially pulling off the unthinkable. It’s just ridiculous. Buker needs two things – stories and readers. The obvious story has been injuries and he jumps all over anything resembling an injury….and are we really supposed to be concerned that Jenkins is injured? If he is posting multiple things a day, I imagine it is rather difficult to come up with topics to write about that will appeal to the masses.

    I fully expect the Beavers to perform well against Sac State and if Wisconsin struggles at all against Wisconsin tomorrow, I’ll be curious to see if Buker starts talking about upset potential next weekend. As far as I know, Wisconsin doesn’t do anything out of the ordinary – they run an offense similar to ours, and USC, and Stanford, and Cal – teams we traditionally do well against defensively. I like our chances for an upset next weekend.

  • MudAndSticks MudAndSticks says:
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    Angry – I really like the “Notify me of followup comments via e-mail” feature because it allows me to follow what’s being said without having to come to your blog site. So the main reason I’m posting a message is so I can click the box and thus have all posts about this topic sent to me via e-mail. The other reason I’m writing this is to ask you if it would be possible to have an overall check box so that we could check it once and after that anything that was posted on this website (new topics, etc.) would be sent to us via e-mail?

    Box checked and I’m outta here. Thanks again.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    Does anyone have any idea if any recruits are coming to this game? Any news on the recruiting front?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I thought Tyner (2013) was going?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        BTW, what’s the earliest this kid could commit? If he committed early, he could really set the tone for the class and help attract a lot of talent.

        • KC says:
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          If he is intent on being a Beav I would expect he commit soon after the 2012 signing day in early February. He might wait to check out other schools though. I don’t think there is a day that he has to wait for though, he could commit right now.

        • hellobeavers says:
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          I think I read that the first day that a school can offer a Jr. in high school is September 1st and that it would be a little strange if he committed to Oregon State before he even had an official offer in hand.

  • Rutgerskevin says:
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    I say Oregon State 45 Sacramento State 17

    If the Beavers can take an early lead, it will make for an easy day. But if they allow the Hornets to stay close through the late second quarter, you better watch out–especially if you have any question marks in your secondary.

    BTW New Hampshire usually has a very solid team and have gone 5-1 vs FBS schools since 2004 including an embarrassing (for me) win versus my Rutgers squad.

    • angry angry says:
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      Yeah, I don’t mean to slight or disrespect I-AA schools. I’m just annoyed with the Oregon media.

      45 is a lot of points given OSU is sooo banged up and starting a handful of freshman. It’s possible, but a great Stanford team put up “only” 52 on Sac State last year.

      • StarcraftSquall says:
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        Couple of interesting points to highlight:

        The Beavers are a 27.5 point favorite as established by Las Vegas. This tells me that a) we outmatch them (but we know that already), b) they are aware of the injuries and c) Riley is not a coach that will run up the score if the game is in control.

        Btw, Angry, Montana State is ranked in the top 10 of the FCS according to Phil Steele, so I wouldn’t lump them in with the others you listed in the orginal post. (Granted, I am not sure exactly what they did last year). Still got your point, though.

    • Will Overhead says:
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      Hey – they may only be 1-AA, but the Wildcats (New Hampshire) have had game for the past decade; hell, what they were doing was of enough interest to a certain team to our south to bring the Cats’ OC to this state…

      (And according to my friends back home – they don’t miss him one bit!)

    • Beakerdo says:
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      beavs whip sac 69-0

  • JackBeav says:
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    We land in the 30’s because Riley won’t let the team run it up. Contrary to your presumption that the frosh will be jittery, I say they will be cold-blooded killers now and into the future, and our veterans will provide the jittery play. The frosh may make some frosh mistakes, but they won’t be jittery like our veterans always seem to be. Riley will need to pull the youth by the middle of the third because they don’t know how to gear down within a game.

    Sac St’s game plays into our D’s strength. It also plays into trying to come from behind, which is what they’ll be doing all day. They will gain a lot of yards between the 20’s, but they will be shut down pretty handily after that.

    Beavs win 37-9. The only TD not scored by a frosh will be a QB sneak or a pick-six.

    • angry angry says:
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      The jitter comment is based on Agnew and Cooks admitting they’re nervous. I think they’ll calm down by the second quarter, but I could see a slow start.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – what happens after Texas A&M leaves?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2011/08/texas_am_announces_it_will_lea.html

    Does Scott pick up a few teams, or does Texas just go independent? They have their own network, would a Pac-16 be attractive to them?

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      Wish we were still just 10 teams. You can already tell with12 teams the conference media coverage is more diluted and lower quality.

      • JackBeav says:
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        It’s as diluted and lower quality as it always was. We just get to see it in a different light with two new fan bases coming on. The conference media is using the same shortcuts to evaluate the new teams that they used against original schools, we just get to see that they always sucked with the original schools.

    • brownale9000 says:
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      They can have their own network all they want. If no cable providers pick it up, they won’t make any money. And most providers have basically indicated that they won’t be picking up the longhorn network. So far, FIOS is the only one to pick it up, so roughly 75 Texas fans will be able to watch the first game this weekend.

      I think when all is said and done, Texas will realize that there’s a lot more money available in the Pac-XX and they’ll sign on along with Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

  • helmsley says:
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    Off topic, but we’re just biding time, aren’t we? I flew out of Seattle today and …

    Ho ho hey hey, I flew Alaska Air today
    Big old smile all the way
    Q440 Bombardier
    Oregon State – prop to tail
    Logos and colors – awesome design
    Flowed along the airplane’s line
    Air or tarmac, takeoff or landing,
    Beautiful sight – in fact, OUTSTANDING
    Out my window, Benny Beav
    Duck fans would likely heave

    I’d like to think there was some karma involved with my being on an OSU plane.

    The clever person who latched onto the idea of painting Alaska Airline planes with their regional universities and other regional team motifs imo deserves advertising’s highest accolades. BTW, the Q440 is Bombardier’s “next gen” newest plane.

    A better sight might be the team alighting from one.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      I got stuck on the Oregon one once. Wasn’t happy.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    I want to weigh in on the Riley decision to move out the suspensions.

    I actually think that with Castro this is not at all an easing of the penalty. Who would you rather play Sac. State or travel to WI or Pac 12 opener against UCLA. He actually is getting a stiffer punishment. I’ve had to make similar compromises at times with my own kids because of commitments to a team, so I think I understand where Riley is coming from. I certainly don’t like the precedent that it is setting, but at the same time I think that the circumstances with all of the injuries are extraordinary as well.

    I don’t really think that this is making any statements about OS not being able to make a game out of WI. I don’t even think that this is at all about winning the Sac State game. I really don’t think that is in question. What is in question is if we were to have any injuries on Saturday and we don’t have any of these players to fill in, what do you do then? Is it really a reasonable thing to possibly burn a guy’s redshirt or play a guy in a position that they have never practiced? I think this is a real concern and again a very extraordinary circumstance. A leader is always looking out for the greater good and is willing to take the flack for choosing to make the unpopular choices.

    I may be overthinking this a bit and may be giving the benefit of the doubt, but when it comes to moral character questions, I think Riley probably has earned that much. I think that Riley cares deeply about these kids and while it is not hard to find fault in some of his decisions from the football side, usually those decisions come back to him making a decision with his heart (see the multitude of upper classmen that have started in previous years without as much talent as their backup). Just my 2 cents worth, I think this is a bit different perspective than what I’ve seen.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Good comment Sparky! Hit the nail on the head.

    • JackBeav says:
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      I personally think suspensions should occur in league games only. I have to laugh when I read about other schools who suspend players for three games against the Directional State Scrubs, the Coastal Barber College Barely-D1’s and the Upstart Christian College FCS Also-Rans.

      Hell, missing the trip to Camp Randall would be more of a punishment than being benched at home versus Sac St, but it doesn’t really affect our Rose Bowl chances (read: affect the player and his BCS bowl hopes). The point of a suspension is to prove to all that a player acted in a way the team should not act, therefore, he is not a part of the team for an allocated period. That period has nothing to do with extra wind-sprints or taking legally mandated or psychologically relevant courses to be a better human. Those things happen in order for the player to reconcile with himself, not the team. Those things happen in order for the player to be a part of the team AFTER his suspension.

      But if you say you’re going to do something, then do it. The consequences are not yours to bear. They may affect you and the team, but they are for the player to deal with.

      • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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        Personally the criticisms of Riley on this decision are a little over the top. Canzano as usual is completely over the top and making it a much bigger deal than it should be.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        Canzano is really being a blowhard on this one. A one game suspension is a ONE GAME suspension, it is Riely’s perogative as to when he wants to enforce it. I can’t believe Canzano is calling out Riley’s moral character. Get off your ass and try to interview Willie Lyles again if you want a real story.

  • JackBeav says:
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    It’s a great day to be a Beaver!

    • angry angry says:
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      I think it’s going to be RB Chris Brown.

      (Hoping it’s not Skotte).

      • JackBeav says:
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        Brown was supposed to visit this weekend. I would love for him to be on this team. He’s my favorite of the West Coast RB’s this year.

        And he has a teammate who’s a playmaker at CB as well.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Remember also that Middleton has been on the hook for a while.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Maybe a 2013 commit?

        Just a hopeful guess.

        • JackBeav says:
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          For the record, my 2013 wish list is as follows:
          20+ ships to give…
          1. Thomas Tyner
          2. Doug Brenner
          3. Michael Hutchings
          4. DJ Ward?
          5. Some other guys

  • angry angry says:
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    Ugh, it’s Skotte.

    I feel nauseous every time we sign a guy like Skotte…he’s another Robinson, Pankey, etc who we’ll have to work through for four years. It’s just a nightmare. The guy runs like a wooden indian, don’t care that he “sheds blocks”….UGH.

    Please convince me I’m wrong.

    • JackBeav says:
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      I think you miss on this one. Yes, he does look like he runs with a stick up his rear. But I would consider that a posture gained from training and technique more than a natural development. If you watch his tape, he always maintains balance by keeping his shoulders over his feet. He can shed blocks with great leverage and tremendous strength. But his best attribute is to avoid blockers altogether with great quickness and superb angles. Notice how he dips his hips and launches low to meet the gaps on the run. I would liken that sort of play to something Junior Seau used to always do. Once Junior discovered that he didn’t need to make the tackle to affect the play, you would see him shoot a gap and launch into the backfield just to alter the designed play. The A gap was never an option against him. And he always launched through the B gap knowing that he could drive the RB five yards deeper than he wanted to run to make the edge.

      If Skotte had another 30 pounds and played the same way, I would be all over him. Right now, I trust that his strength and speed will increase with size since he uses them all to his advantage now. So I still like him as a solid 6-8 out of ten with a ten potential.

      • JackBeav says:
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        He’s not at the top of my wish list by any means, but he’s no Rueben Robinson or Keith Pankey. He’s a stronger, slightly faster version of Tony Wilson.

      • angry angry says:
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        Besides the stick up his rear, he’s hyper/anxious and over-commits. Read option offenses/play action will kill this guy.

        I view this guy as a nice special teams player, but I am not sure he’s worth a scholarship. Oh well, this is the first pickup that’s disappointed. There were bound to be some.

        • angry angry says:
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          I just went back to look at my rankings from last year…to see how badly I did. I couldn’t believe I mentioned Cooks filling in for Rodgers in the comment area.

          http://angrybeavs.com/rankings/4722

          The only guys I wish I ranked higher are Wynn and Agnew (not that I ranked them low, just should be higher). I think the rest are/will be accurate. Hopefully Skotte is another Wynn or Agnew. But, if you look at my 2-stars, it’s an accurate list, and that’s where I’d rank Skotte right now. It’s a lot easier to see a 2-star from a 3 than a 3-star from a 4 (or 4-star from a 3).

          JackBeav, I am trusting your eye on this one and hoping you’re not biased just because he’s from Bend! I think Warren loved Skotte, too, and he’s pretty good at this.

          • JackBeav says:
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            I like Bend the town, but I wouldn’t claim to know their high school sports that well. I would say that Isaac Seumalo would know Skotte’s game well having had to play him. So maybe that’s where the OSU coaches get a better feel for him than they would otherwise. I know Seumalo would be there to watch his kid play, but who would be the lead on this one? Locey? I like the kids Locey targets for some reason.

          • OStateBro says:
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            Did you leave D.J. Welch off that list? Liked the looks of him at LB earlier in practice.

          • progressivebeav says:
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            Welch was a 2010 recruit that delayed enrollment (grades). I like him as well, looks like a player and is supposed to get some PT this season.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Gray shirt from 2009

        • JackBeav says:
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          What I’m saying is that it’s not bad for the MLB to over-commit. So long as he alters the original direction of the designed play, he’s done his job. If he owns the middle gaps and he forces all other plays off tackle, then he makes the OLBs’ and CBs’ jobs really easy. All they need is for the safety to come in support, and the play is over. And if he forces those plays to be deeper than planned, then look for some TFL’s from those guys.

          He will fit really well with Fred Thompson and one other big body in front of him at DT.

          Damn! We need more DT’s!

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      I do think it is good to keep the in-state lines flowing in, so when a Tyner comes around you get in the door.

    • brownale9000 says:
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      I like him. Pretty fast, strong, smart, great motor. Worst case scenario, he’s a special teams star. Best case, I think he could develop into a pretty good LB.

      Pankey? Please. I know you saw Pankey’s tape, they don’t even compare.

      • angry angry says:
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        He looks better than Pankey.

        What I mean is this: a player whom we can’t wait to see graduate because he’s (a) not good and (b) always in the mix.

        It’s not just Pankey. Catching is a great example…the entire o-line, etc. I don’t get mad about the Harrah and Krebs (worst ever?) type signings for no reason.

        • brownale9000 says:
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          You’re always going to have a worst-player-on-the-field. If that player is better than last years worst player, I’m fine with it.

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          Catchings probably wont play will he?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        We need DT’s! Any in the pipeline for signing?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      One thing that may help round out the view of him is Air Force’s offer to him. Air Force runs a very effective D, and assuming the D coordinator and/or position coach wanted him, it could be an indication that he has good upside. I know this doesn’t mean they’re right – they can miss on recruits too – but I just found there offer to him interesting and HOPEFULLY indicative that he is legitimate.

      I admit I’m a little skeptical about him at the PAC-12 level; and I would really like to see the Beavs getting MLB talent up to the level of the OLB’s they’ve been getting. They seem to have been missing on MLBs the last several years.

  • Geoff Whittier says:
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    being reported that TP scored a whopping 7 on his wonderlic IQ test. Would this shock anyone that he’s dumb as a brick? Darron Thomas and/or Cliff Harris, you’re next.

    http://twitter.com/#!/bobmcginn

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      He should go into politics………….has above average IQ for that line of work. Already has the self important, ego-manic part down pat.

    • Pulp Fiction says:
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      Not sure where McGinn got his info but I read this morning…
      “Now comes word from ESPN’s John Clayton that Pittsburgh Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert administered the test on Pryor and confirmed that Pryor scored “significantly higher” than what McGinn reported.”
      If the Beavs won like the Buckeyes would you complain if the QB had a low wonderlic? We should be so lucky.

  • angry angry says:
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    JackBeav, I was reading this post about Krebs (ugh, I hated that guy!) and you actually stick up for Pankey in the comment area. 😀

    Not a glowing Panker reference, but you you seem annoyed at me for ripping on him: http://angrybeavs.com/athletics/1317

    Haha. It is funny to go back and read things.

    • JackBeav says:
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      That context put him in the two deep at the best of his game. And the best of his game was before the achilles injury (about a month after this conversation). He just looked slow after that. He should never have come back and played early. But I understand him wanting to do so since it was his senior year. In that case, he should never have played except as a back-up against pro-sets. I think at that time I was trying to say that attrition would be our friend if nothing else.

      And I still remember that flailing dive at Gerhart. Ugh!

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Phil Steele put up analysis of every FBS/FCS matchup this weekend this morning: so naturally I checked out our game. This is what he had to say about it:

    “Oregon St won the only previous meeting 40-7 in 2003. The Beavers are 6-0 vs FCS opponents since 1999 winning the last 5 by an avg 42-10 including a 34-7 win over Big Sky member Portland St. Sacramento St is 0-10 vs FBS foes and besides a 23-20 loss to Colorado St in 2008 has lost each by 21+ pts including 8 by 33+ pts. Last year Stanford manhandled the Hornets 52-17 with a 529-157 yard edge. OSU returns 12 starters led by QB Ryan Katz, who threw for 2,401 but must replace a 1000 yd rusher. Sacramento St returns 14 starters led by QB Jeff Fleming, who threw for 2,044 along with top rusher Bryan Hilliard (883, 4.5). The Beavers have a big road game at Wisconsin on deck and after an easy FCS win last year may look past a much improved Hornets team that had 3 net close losses last year including losing to eventual FCS Champ Eastern Washington by just 4. While Sacramento St may not be up to the outright upset, look for them to keep it closer then expected.”
    OREGON STATE 38 SACRAMENTO STATE 21

    • angry angry says:
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      Do you have a link to the article? I’m curious what he says about UNLV/Wisconsin and LSU/Oregon.

      • OStateBro says:
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        This is it.

        http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2011/Aug11/DBAug31.html

        It’s FBS versus FCS games only.

      • angry angry says:
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        Cool, thanks.

        I think Eastern Washington over Washington presents the best chance of an upset. Cal Poly can beat SDSU, too.

        • StarcraftSquall says:
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          As far as FCS vs FBS, I agree, although I really don’t see any Pac-12 team being shoddy enough to lose one of these games.

      • StarcraftSquall says:
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        I subscribe to his newsletter, I can run them off for you:

        UNLV is 1-3 SU in Madison (only win in ‘03 vs #14 UW). LTH (‘04) the Rebels lost 18-3 but allowed an 86 yd TD ret after a blk’d FG & two safeties (down just 11-3 into 4Q). LY UNLV capitalized off two UW TO’s for a 17-14 deficit at HT at home as they had -4 yds off with 1:13 left in the half. UW only pushed (-20) 41-21 as UNLV got a TD with 12:36 left to pull within 20 but did miss a FG with 6:24 left. UW has lost their last 3 home openers ATS only winning by 14 ppg despite being favored by 28 ppg. UW does have Ore St on deck. UW has a young O-line but is at
        its best when able to establish the rush and UNLV has just 2 st’rs back on its defensive front 7 and allowed 5.2 ypc in ‘10! UNLV has now lost 10 str ATS as an AD not covering by 15.5 ppg and you know how we feel about playing on streaks and UW put up 70, 83 and 70 in 3 diff HG’s LY.
        WISCONSIN 51 UNLV 13

        Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, TX. This is one of the marquee games of the year in a battle of Top 5 tms. These two have not met since 1977. LSU has won 8 str ssn openers by 22 ppg (5-3 ATS). The loser from the Nat’l Title gm has gone 10-2 (avg score 39-13) in the opener the next season. Oregon has struggled when tms have extra time to prep for their offense with just 18 ppg in the last 2 bowls and just 8 pts in their opener in ‘09 when they also had a young O-line. UO has the off edge (#3 vs #20) and have the stronger QB in Thomas as LSU’s Jefferson has struggled recently. LSU has our #5 rated D and UO #28. LSU figures to have the crowd edge and are more exp’d as Miles has won 17 straight Sept games while LSU just played at this same stadium in their bowl win.
        LSU 28 OREGON 27
        *It’s obvious he wrote this before the news Jefferson was out for the game. He has said he’ll write an updated prediction on his blog and post it Saturday at 9 AM.

        Hope that satisfies your curiosity. 😉

        • angry angry says:
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          Thanks. That Wisconsin score is ridiculous.

          I agree with him on the second one…LSU in a close one.

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            I’m not so sure, Wisconsin is a top 20 team and UNLV is a bottom 10 team according to him, so it could definitely happen.

          • angry angry says:
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            Wisconsin runs clock and play a short game. I doubt they’d even have enough time to score that much.

            The media and pre-season ranking love Wisconsin. I mean, they’re a solid team, but…

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            I think this is a lot more about UNLV being really bad as opposed to Wisconsin being upper-class, sorry if I didn’t make that clearer.

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            Wisconsin did score 84 in a game last year I believe and they have a good QB this year. Bielema likes to run up the score.

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            Beat Indiana 83-20 and Indiana 70-23. They can put up points. UNLV has played them fairly tough in their history though.

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            I’ve had more than several Wisconsin fans think that their game against Northern Illinois will be a tougher battle than the Beavs.
            I scoffed at first but then I really don’t know much about NIU except their weak-ass conference.
            As a Beav fan it sure stings to be compared to schools like NIU, I mean seriously.

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            East Coast Ignorance, my friend. Only way to change it is to win.

    • OStateBro says:
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      Can you share the link? I’m in a pick-em pool and an analysis of the others would be helpful.

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    My brother and I went to the Sac. State game back in 2003. My brother and sat right behind Mike Haas’ family. It was cool to see him play in his first game, and make an immediate impact. We overheard his family talk about Mike, and wondering if he was going to play in the game, and the rest is history….

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      Oops….Misspelled his name….should have been “Hass”.

  • Tyler says:
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    How tall.is agnew really? I have seen 5 8 to 5 10…so what is it?

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Here’s the position by position rankings from Phil’s mag for the Pac-12 (by unit) going into the season (so you can have something else to swap posts about :-)):

    QUARTERBACKS
    1. Stanford, 2. USC, 3. Oregon, 4. Arizona, 5. Oregon St/Washington St/Arizona St, 8. Utah, 9. California/UCLA, 11. Washington/Colorado

    RUNNING BACKS
    1. Oregon, 2. Stanford/Washington/USC, 5. UCLA, 6. Arizona St/Arizona/Colorado, 9. California/Utah, 11. Oregon St, 12. Washington St

    RECEIVERS
    1. Arizona, 2. USC, 3. Washington, 4. Oregon St/UCLA, 6. California, 7. Washington St, 8. Oregon, 9. Arizona St/Colorado, 11. Stanford/Utah

    OFFENSIVE LINE
    1. Oregon/USC, 3. Arizona St, 4. Stanford/California/Colorado, 7. UCLA/Utah, 9. Washington, 10. Oregon St, 11. Washington St, 12. Arizona

    DEFENSIVE LINE
    1. USC, 2. California/Arizona St, 4. UCLA, 5. Oregon/Washington, 7. Utah/Colorado, 9. Stanford/Oregon St/Arizona, 12. Washington St

    LINEBACKERS
    1. Arizona St, 2. Stanford/USC, 4. California, 5. Utah, 6. UCLA, 7. Oregon St/Arizona, 9. Oregon/Washington St, 11. Colorado, 12. Washington

    DEFENSIVE BACKS
    1. Oregon, 2. USC, 3. Washington/Arizona, 5. California/UCLA, 7. Stanford, 8. Arizona St, 9. Oregon St/Washington St, 11. Utah/Colorado

    SPECIAL TEAMS
    1. Oregon, 2. UCLA, 3. Oregon St, 4. California, 5. Stanford, 6. Arizona, 7. USC, 8. Washington/Utah, 10. Arizona St, 11. Colorado, 12. Washington St

    COACHING STAFF
    1. Oregon St, 2. Oregon, 3. Utah, 4. Arizona St, 5. California, 6. Washington/UCLA/Arizona, 9. USC, 10. Washington St, 11. Stanford/Colorado

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    I think you lose to a Sac State when you think you win just by showing up. After last year, I cant see the Beavers doing that.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      (cough cough) Washington State…

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        Thanks a lot, I had almost burned that out of my memory bank til you brought it up. >.>

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          Thats what I’m talkin about … last year they really effed it up, losing to Wazzu, much less UCLA and UW….. and WONT FALL INTO THAT SAME TRAP.

          Will they? Oh, god….

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    Looks like Canzano is calling Riley out on O-Live. It’s about Castro playing. Typical Canzano. No wonder the duck fans get annoyed. He really doesn’t give the reader any insight except his own.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Uh-oh … Ducks and Beavers united! Must be the second coming of Osama Bin Ladan … or CANZANO!

      Hey, its his job to be an ahole and stir up controversy … …and he does it well!

      • OSUBABY OSUBABY says:
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        LOL

        I know her writes for ratings and controversy which is entertaining. My problem is that he really never gives insight to what the person could be thinking. He rarely ever backs himself up with his own personal beliefs or morals. I find his stories hollow and without substance. Very similar to The National Enquirer.

  • angry angry says:
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    Beavers all access is on FCS right now.
    Agnew actually looks like Quizz…it’s scary, I thought I was watching footage from last season.

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      Damn Comcast doesn’t get FCS.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Can you provide a link please?

      • angry angry says:
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        It’s on cable/tv, not the net. You can try searching for a fcs link on justin.tv

        They probably won’t have it, but it’s worth a shot.

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          I just flipped thru the Directv sports channels and didn’t see it anywhere.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    I went ahead and dropped the $10 for the Beaver Nation Online subscription so I can check out the game.

    Anybody got any advice for the best/easiest way to stream it to my TV? I’d rather watch it on the plasma than the laptop :D.

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      I understand not every one of us is in a position to be at the game live, but those of us that are, and choose to remain at home with the TV, I do feel a degree of contempt with.

      OSU does need their fans to play the game too. If you can’t be there because you live too far away or you’ve become too disgusted, that’s fine, but to quote a criticism of UCLA fans from ESPN yesterday “You may not tweet in “Fire Neuheisel” while sitting on the Santa Monica Beach. Buy a ticket, then you can complain. Likewise, if you’re in driving distance of the home games and can afford the ticket price, and are instead complaining about the coaching staff or play-calling while sitting in a lounge chair… your voice has no credit.

      My point is, on Saturday home games, the team isn’t the only ones who need to show up. We as fans have an obligation to play too. Go Beavs! Here’s hoping the season is a good one!

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        I think Angry touched on this late last year when we were all furious after the WSU game.
        Staying home instead of buying a ticket is, in effect, the best way you can complain isn’t it? Fewer fans spending less dollars is the most effective way to send a message. Maybe back it up with telling the program why you choose to not spend money on them.
        That’s what I have done this year. I reduced my BASF donation by over 30% and followed that up with an email to Bob DeCarolis explaining why.
        I think as the old-timer donators who are happy with .500 play die off and are replaced by those of us who expect more, the program can get better. But it really starts with how vocal us donators are.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Damn that seems more complcated than I thought it would be.

    Don’t they make a USB to HDMI cable and I could just plug them shits in?

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Prolly could use this as an excuse to buy a new blue ray player with wireless… 😀

  • ace0099 says:
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    first look on your laptop what available output connectors it have. Newer laptops most likely have hdmi output, so all you need is just an hdmi cable to connect to your tv. (mine which is 2 years old has an hdmi output).

    otherwise, it might have a VGA output… in that case u might need something like a VGA to S-video cable connector.

    Look what is on the laptop and what is available on the tv… and use an appropriate cable

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Looks like it’ll be VGA cable…TV has one on the back too.

    Gonna hafta run a separate sound cable too…radio shack here I come.

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    So agree or disagree?
    A true freshman (so Cooks and/or Agnew) will touch the ball on the first two offensive plays?

    I say yes, just not sure if we see two runs, two passes (doubt this), or one each?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Getting to know Mike Remmers…what would you change about your personality: “I’d be more angry on the field.”

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/article_f26d1796-d409-11e0-872d-001cc4c03286.html

    A lot of people would like to change that about him.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    An ESPN analyst has accused Oregon of cheating. (No, not about that).

    Boise State has been disallowed from wearing Blue uniforms at home on their blue turf. Yet this analyst points out, that Oregon is allowed to wear all-green uniforms at home on green turf. It seems that the fur has already started to fly around here in the Pacific NW. 🙂

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    We’ve heard this argument several times before. Personally I could give a shit, until the yucks started complaining about Boise. Whatevs.

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    Who is joining the 2,012 tomorrow? I am going to give early and try and get the rest of Beaver Nation to join too. I hope you all do the same. http://www.OurBeaverNation.com.

  • angry angry says:
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    For those of you signing up for the live feed, here is a coupon code: FREEMONTH09

    I’m not sure if you can use that for a free month and then cancel or not. I haven’t signed up yet. If anyone tries it out let the others know.

  • progressivebeav says:
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    Some morning reading:

    “Lakewood’s Dustin Stanton is a quarterback’s best friend”
    http://tinyurl.com/3q2xp6l

    Next year we’ll be loaded with tight ends from WA. 🙂

    —-

    “The Candy Report: Pre-season Poem” (Popular post on PO by Peter71.)
    http://tinyurl.com/3uwyltv

    Haven’t seen Peter on this site in a while. Always respected his approach and opinions.

  • JackBeav says:
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    I like that Stanton is still discovering his own game. It was pretty damn good last year, and it’s only going to get better.

    The Candy Report is pretty good. The writing isn’t as efficient as it could be, but who am I to talk about that? I think he’s in line with the sentiments I have for this season. I want to be optimistic yet maintain a wait and see mentality… but I cant wait… and this team will be better than last year simply because I have a much better feeling about it than I did last year’s team… but I have to wait.

    Sometimes Fridays are the longest days.

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    Is the OSU donation drive silly because they’ve just wrapped a request for donations into some kind of “surprise”, or is it genius because they’re cashing in on the pre-season excitement right at its peak?
    I think if the goal is to get new BASF members then maybe mission accomplished, especially by asking for such small amounts ($12).
    Remember a couple years ago they rolled out the “12,000 by 2012” campaign. Then everyone that donates gets a sticker that says “I am one of the 12,000”. It’s so well known that I had to call them and ask them what it meant. I have the sticker displayed on our tailgating “Beaver Lodge” and still, no one knows what it means.
    It seems our marketing department is trying, they just need to consolidate ideas and stick with them.

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      I hear you. But the reality is OSU Athletics needs our support. We don’t have a Phil Knight pumping money into our program, but we do have some loyal fans. I joined to be 1 of the 2,012. I only gave $12 because that is all I have to give right now, but I supporting the team. I hope everybody else on Angrybeavs joins in too.

    • progressivebeav says:
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      I agree, it’s silly. They should have started this months ago. Not just two weeks of lame teasers before the deadline.

      That said, I am 1 of the 2,012. 🙂

    • JackBeav says:
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      Yeah… begging for money seems to work in only a couple ways, and fear rules both.

      It’s either the stupidity of politics or religion which begs the listener to believe some bigoted separatism or self-righteous indignation about someone different from them which scares them into giving up their money to some completely cynical con-wo/man.

      Or, in a more genius method which I have yet to see used consistently…

      The PBS station in Fargo started doing their fund drives at the beginning of the year instead of during month-long pushes which interrupted broadcasting for twenty minute guilt trips. What they did was air a one minute spot (which could be edited to 30 or 15 seconds for more saturation without eating up air time itself) of the director (well known in the community) sitting in a chair explaining that they would ask people to give throughout the year. He explained what their goal was for that year, and he told us that whatever percentage of that goal was met before their annual guilt-trip-a-thon, they would lessen that fund drive by that percentage.

      Needless to say, the fear of having to endure that interruption in service got people off their butts, and the station’s goals were met well before the drive was scheduled.

  • GoBeavs says:
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    All I know is that we have a lot of fans that have not been supporting our athletics with donations yet. Whatever it takes for people to join in and get involved I am all for. That’s why I gave and will tell others to go to http://www.OurBeaverNation.com. I hope you all will to.

  • JackBeav says:
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    I think they should broaden their thinking to include donors in the decision-making process. If fear is not a motivating factor, the only other thing I can think of is to give us all a clear, tangible product which we can select to receive our money. Some drives already have visible funds which are well known (Raising Reser, hoops facility, track and field, etc…). But there should be a page with some interactive toggling showing people what they could do for every sport.

    Are you a fan of football and don’t want to be lost in the morass of Raising Reser? Be given the opportunity to simply click through and give a lead gift to endow a single scholarship for the team. Volleyball or track? Same thing. People like to give, but it seems people with money like to make a show of it more often than naught. Give them that opportunity. Also give people like me the opportunity to complete those endowments with smaller (anonymous if wanted) gifts. It’s easier to topple four tons of stone if it’s broken down into several small dominoes and set up in a line.

    I know we now have this opportunity by specifying such an action, and I’ve done so for track. But why am I the one doing all the work to make my money go where I want it to go? Let me drop in one day, feel like giving to the softball team on a whim, and just drop $10 on some random scholarship endowment with a couple clicks of my mouse.

  • GoBeavs says:
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    JackBeav I agree that would be pretty cool to have those donation opportunities. But I don’t think this is push they are making is driven by fear. I know there are a lot of people like me that are fired up about the football season starting tomorrow and have OSU athletics on our minds. Today I decided to support for the 1st time.

    • JackBeav says:
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      I didn’t say this one is based on fear. I said that method seems to be the only method which works on a consistent basis. This one is clearly trying to catch lightning in a bottle. And I’m fine with that so long as excitement is maintained. But it’s doesn’t really go beyond seasonal giving, and people have different times of the year when they can give. Some people feel like they have extra cash when they get their tax returns, but Beavs athletics (or the school in general) isn’t in the forefront with a sustained drive collecting change as if it was as valuable as millions.

      A penny saved?

      It’s not a bad thing to use the excitement of a new season to draw funds, but it shouldn’t be the primary method. I really do appreciate them breaking donations down to whatever levels they feel people can give. It does speak to an institution more aware of its donor base than in years past.

      And everyone… do give today if you can. I know $12 is a lot for a lot of people. I’m not going to be some Calvinist ass-hole who pretends otherwise, especially after having to go out and buy school supplies so my kid can attend school (note: nobody comment on this, and I won’t expound). But it is the first of the month, and there’s usually $12 sitting around somewhere.

      • GoBeavs says:
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        I see what you are saying. Those are good ideas I hope they use some day. I also think it is cool that people can give what they can (it looks like you can give even less than $12). That is why I joined and I hope that other people on AngryBeavs will too. I want us to do this together. http://www.OurBeaverNation.com

  • ean says:
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    I miss OS’s all-caps rants about our image.

  • angry angry says:
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    The scary thing about OS is that he used to be the Benny. That’s right, he dressed up in that suit, a suit that is over 100 degrees inside and cannot be washed…ever.

    Somehow it all makes sense…

  • angry angry says:
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    Canfield/The Saints is replaying on NFL network right now.

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    Here’s the list of Pac-12 games and kickoff times for tomorrow, so you know when and where to scout opposition, if you like to do that sort of thing. I am only listing channels directly available to people in our region, however. This should give you a good list for what the competition is doing, however.

    UCLA at Houston, 12:30 PM – ROOT Sports (formerly FSN)
    Minnesota at USC, 12:30 PM – ABC

    Sacramento State at Oregon State, 1:00 PM – osubeavers.com

    BYU @ Mississippi, 1:45 PM – ESPN (not Pac-12 but upcoming opponent)
    San Jose State at Stanford, 2:00 PM
    Idaho State at Washington State, 2:00 PM
    Fresno State vs California (Candlestick Park), 4:00 PM
    Eastern Washington at Washington, 4:00 PM – ROOT Sports
    Oregon vs LSU (Arlington, TX), 5:00 PM – ABC
    Northern Arizona at Arizona, 7:00 PM
    Colorado at Hawaii, 7:15 PM – ESPN2

    • StarcraftSquall says:
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      Personal prediction: I see the Pac-12 teams all winning with the exception of UCLA and Colorado this week.

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        Utah beat Montana State, so that’s the first one, but the second half was fairly close. Utah looked shaky at qb.

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          Game was never in doubt, but kind of a sluggish effort. Seemed like Whittingham was really focused on breaking in the new RB White, gave him a lot of action. Wynn was definitely rusty.

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    I see every Pac-12 team winning except for Colorado, UCLA and Oregon

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    This is the longest day of the year.
    Anyone partying in Corvallis tonight? Downward Dog has good burgers and drinks but I think I’m gonna try the margaritas at La Roca on 9th.

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    So is it possible for anyone to stream the game for tomarrow?

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    38-14 Oregon State. Wish it was more but Riley will unfortunately probably slow it down for most of the 4th quarter.

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    Hey, who all is going to the game tomorrow? I’m going to be dragging a bunch of my idiot friends to tailgate, most of them have never experienced OSU football in person, so it should be fun.

    I haven’t actually tailgated in quite some time and I think I’ve heard there have been some changes, so long story shorter…where’s a good place to set up a tailgate?

    • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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      I am going, but I don’t really tailgate much. I normally just go to the player walk then hangout till kickoff.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    We find that Avery Park provides a nice place with lots of space. However, it is a little bit of a walk but it is not too bad. Thats where we will be doing Buffalo sliders and Brats! We drink beer and shots of Pendelton. Not for the inexperienced.

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    Does anybody know how many tickets are left. I was going to go down tomorrow and just buy them at the ticket office, but I want to make sure there will be tickets available. My guess is it shouldn’t be a problem. But just wanted to see if any of you guys had any info on tickets.

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    Damn, Baylor and RG the 3rd are absolutely shredding TCU’s defense so far. Of course, the Beavs played TCU a year too early!!!! Luck of the Beavers.

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    It’s not too late to support the Beavers at http://www.OurBeaverNation.com. I did this morning, I hope you all will get on board too.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    The new game day commercial with Corso that aired this morning featured Benny! Was a nice surprise for the morning.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Wow – is anyone at Scout tracking anything? Comments from their fearless predictions:

    McCant’s is #1? Seumalo can get off the snap and in the backfield in a hurry


    Why Oregon State Might Win: The Beavers have serious concerns on offense, but you might not know it this weekend. Even a hobbled Oregon State team, which will be without WR James Rodgers and H-back Joe Halahuni, that lacked efficiency in 2010 will be too much for an overmatched Sacramento State D. QB Ryan Katz is one of the bright young stars of the Pac-12, a strong-armed returning starter who’ll employ the big-play skills of WR Markus Wheaton. The Beavers will cause problems for the Hornets offensive line by collapsing the pocket with an inside pass rush. The main tackles in the rotation of Dominic Glover, Andrew Seumalo and Castro Masaniai can all get off the snap and into the backfield in a hurry.

    What To Watch Out For: Oregon State is going to need more than just Wheaton to support the development of Katz until Rodgers and Halahuni return. RB Ryan McCants has a shot at redemption in his senior year, after spending the last two seasons AWOL. He’s listed at No. 1 on the depth chart, filling the void left by early NFL entrant Jacquizz Rodgers. The Beavers staff has been raving all summer about the play of true freshman slot receiver Brandin Cooks. Nicknamed “Sonic Boom”, he has the speed and elusiveness to be the second-coming of the Rodgers brothers. ”

    By the way, I think Cook’s nickname needs to be shorted to “Sonic,” there’s already a “Boom” (Gwacham) on the roster…get them both on the field together….

  • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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    Anyone else watching the Utah state vs Auburn? Auburn looks terrible.

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      Yea, i just turned it on. It’s only halftime, but it’s always good to see the SEC lose. Unless they are playing the *ucks.

  • JackBeav says:
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    It’s just another pay site which suffers from a national mandate to make money. Either they hire someone who knows little about football to cover the local beat, or they piece together some mash of outdated info along with some google searches of local papers to make it appear they’re trying. I’m sure fans of other teams can say the same for their un-favorite pay site for any variety of reasons. Fortunately, those with brains don’t need to spend money on information they will either get for free immediately or get for free within an hour or so. Honestly, what justification does someone have for hiding behind a pay wall? The only one I can think of is that they need to justify forking their money over to someone providing a service which is free in the end.

    I find it even funnier that these are the same people who tend to suggest that $12, $35, $100 is “nothing” in W’s economy (extended by and now can be called Obama’s tax cuts if you like). If purchasing free things is intelligent, then maybe applying that money to your favorite school instead would be considered pure genius.

    Of course, the level of intelligence emanating from these sites is different depending on the school. Arizona has an excellent hoops site called pointguardu.com which has absolutely nothing good to say about their Rivals affiliate. And they’re right in doing so. That Rivals site is not only a bunch of idiots, they have been responsible for NCAA violations at the school as well.

    Then you have orangebloods, which does everything Texas style. They sacrifice their journalistic integrity to be “insiders”, but they only retain “insider” status as long as they parrot the Texas AD’s intended message.

    For example:
    http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1259825

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Has anyone found a link for the intro video when the team comes out onto the field? I’m an out of towner and those always get me pumped!

  • JackBeav says:
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    Audio pre-game is on BNO right now.

  • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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    Who has a tailgate my fiancée and I can crash, we are right outside the front gates!

    • JackBeav says:
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      Hit up the men’s hoops tailgate on the other side of the sports performance center. I want to know if an official visitor made it today. Langston Morris-Walker is supposed to be on campus now. He’s a sleeper in the 2012 Class that I think a lot of teams will have wished they recruited by the time his college career is over.

  • mike says:
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    what is the link to the chat, please? bad start…

  • locusimperium says:
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    no commiseration?

  • Troy Mize says:
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    It is time for a new direction and new head coach! Riley is a high school coach! He jokes around during the game when they’re behind! He’s probably a nice fellow but he’s not ever going to be a Championship Coach It is so embarrasing to lose to a school like Sac. St.The team made vast strides and now is stuck in mediocrity. Sorry, that’s the way it is. Aren’t you folk’s tired of hearing “Nice try, or Too bad, Better luck next time! There are no such things as luck in Football, or what if’s! You make your own luck by hard tackling and blocking, by knocking the crud out of your opponent That’s why when Dennis Erickson was Coach the Beavers were successful

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