29.Oct.2013 Final Two Plays vs Stanford

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Click this link to watch the final two plays: Stanford

A discussion SS and I had about the plays.

SilverStream:

Sure seems to me that Mullaney was wide open near the goal line on the second-to-last play. Mullaney lines up split wide to the left. He runs a soft curl, and camps out on the one-yard line, with a defender about 3 yards behind him. Seems to me that if Mannion had thrown the ball to Mullaney’s inside shoulder, Mullaney would very likely have caught the ball and scored. I like OSU’s odds a lot better throwing a short pass to an open Mullaney rather than throwing a longer pass to the back of the end zone to a double-covered Tyler Perry. Seems to me it was simply a bad read and a mistake by Mannion on this play that likely cost the Beavs a TD that could have led to OT. If the Beavs had gotten to OT, OSU would have had the advantage, since Stanford was relying on an inexperienced substitute placekicker. Coulda, woulda, shoulda….

Angry:

I agree with your assessment of those two plays. Mostly. I do think Mullaney was open on the last play, but I see what you mean that the defender might have jumped the Cummings route (I’d have to see a different angle, because from the one shown it looks like he arrived at Cummings too quickly to be near Mullaney, too). I wish we had an overhead. If that route developed quicker, Mannion could have pump faked to draw that safety, then hit Mullaney. But Cummings came across the entire formation, which took forever.

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  • angry angry says:
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    SS, I respectfully disagree with you on is that a TD would lead to OT. They still had to convert a 2pt, and that isn’t easy for OSU.

    On the last play, I actually circled the upper left-middle part of the end zone on my screen before the snap, and said to my lady, “look at the coverage, this area has room”…Mullaney runs right into that zone, wide open, imo. I don’t see how a NCAA QB can’t read that coverage. It’s like it was predetermined the pass was going to Cummings.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Wow, horrible reception. You need better rabbit ears or another coat hanger…

      Agree that the 2-pointer was far from a sure thing.

      • angry angry says:
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        That isn’t the reception (it’s not even my TV, SS provided the video, taken on a handheld iphone).

        It’s the bit rate of the video. I had to knock it all the way down to 650 to get it under 10mb (server limit for video). You can still see the plays (barely).

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Maybe I’m projecting, but it looked pre-determined to me too, just looking at Mullaney’s non-verbals. He doesn’t seem to engaged in the play, like maybe someone would if there was a good chance the ball may come his way.

  • bone says:
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    Kind of off topic. But Kevin Cummings is done for the season. Can’t imagine it’s been a easy last couple days for him.

    • StarcraftSquall says:
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      Mike Riley said he may be back for the bowl game. But he’s definitely done for the regular season. He had surgery on his wrist this morning, according to the Joe Beaver show (weekdays 12-2 PM Pacific on kejoam.com for whoever is interested)

    • krogercomplete says:
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      fuck

  • Bill says:
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    Why are these plays even being talked about? The final play isn’t what would’ve won or lost the game. If you want to look at plays that won/lost the game, look at the 4th down attempts.

    • angry angry says:
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      We already covered the 4th downs.
      The two plays above presented the opportunity to overcome those botched calls and potentially tie the game. I’m talking about them because Mannion made poor decisions in the clutch. That is a story nobody else wants to cover, and since I find it newsworthy and it’s my blog, I’m covering it.

      • krogercomplete says:
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        And I thought we covered Mannion already in the other thread? Why are we dragging this out, unless you just want to point out to everyone that you circled the coverage before the snap for your lady (hilarious by the way)?

        • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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          to annoy the shit out of you and only you

        • angry angry says:
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          Pretty funny there, Napkin.

          Anyway, the answer is because now I have video and felt like making a new thread to show the plays rather than posting it in the comment section of the old thread. The trolls have been relegated to questioning why I make threads. Low.

    • Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Guess you got told!

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    In the previous thread, I already said that I thought Mannion played very well against Stanford, demonstrating a lot of poise and toughness under tremendous pressure. I still believe that.

    However, I do think Mannion missed an open receiver (Mullaney) near the goal line on the second-to-last pass play. And I do think Mannion was slightly off-target on the last throw to Kevin Cummings, throwing the ball slightly behind the receiver, which enabled Ed Reynolds to knock the ball out of KC’s hands. I think the video shows both of those points, which is why I sent the video to Angry.

    I agree of course that there were other key plays in the game (e.g., Victor Bolden’s fumble of the second half kickoff; OSU going 1 for 5 on fourth down conversions, etc.) I also agree, of course, that the 2-point conversion was far from a sure thing, even if OSU had scored a TD on that last series.

    However, all that being said, it is still fair and appropriate to point out that slightly better play from Mannion on the final two passes likely would have led to a Beaver touchdown. Unlike Angry, I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Mannion “made poor decisions in the clutch”. I’d say Mannion missed seeing an open receiver (Mullaney) on one play, and was slightly inaccurate with his pass to KC on the other play.

    In my view (probably contrary to Angry), Mannion is already a very good college QB. But he still has plenty of room for improvement. I expect him to continue to improve this year, and to return in 2014 to lead what promises to be a VERY good OSU team. If Mannion stays healthy and puts in another off-season of hard work, his 2014 upside — and that of the team — is exciting to think about.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      The upside if Mannion, Cooks, Doctor, Nelson, Chricton,all return, and Anderson is there at FB, is encouraging.

      The potential emerging roles of Brown and Haskins with Woods (Riley won’t take him too much out of the game) LOOKS to me like it could improve the running game over the current Woods/Ward duo.

      The preseason schedule again provides opportunities for progressive development – Portland State, Hawaii, TBD, San Diego State (?).

      But the O-line still has to live up to its potential, and the coaching staff needs to perform. I’m not optimistic either will happen, but I’ll watch if most of these players return.

      And after 2014, IF all of these players come back, I’m probably done as a OSU football follower. If Riley et al can’t get it done with that personnel, I see no sense waiting until ’16 or ’17 for good QB play, and current recruiting just doesn’t look promising. Watching this staff have the same problems every year, and the same responses, just isn’t going to be that interesting.

      • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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        Next year, the Beavs should also have Jalen Grimble, the DT transfer from Miami http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=209273932

        Meanwhile, Mariota will likely opt for the NFL after this season, and Stanford will definitely be losing many of its best players (especially on the O-line and on defense, where Stanford is senior-heavy).

        So, if all these players come back for OSU, the Beavs should have a great shot at winning the PAC-12 North, and reaching the Rose Bowl next year.

        I agree with you, ObjCritic. If OSU’s coaches can’t get it done next season, they never will, and they’ll probably lose me as a fan, too.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Ha this thread reminds me of when I stopped watching MLB. I was a Mariners fan growing up and after they couldn’t make it happen with Junior, Arod, he Big Unit, Edgar, and my man Bone on the squad I just couldn’t bring myself to give a shit any more.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        Beavs could add another non conference game due to one being at Hawaii if they wish. Not sure they would but it is a possibility

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