04.Feb.2015 Ranking the 2015 Recruiting Class

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Almost every player falls into the 3-star camp this year. You can find past class rankings under “rankings” on the drop down menu.

Here we go. Recruits are ranked in order.

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Paul Lucas — World class speed, but I am hearing he won’t enroll due to academics.

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Christian Folau — Great prospect, but will go on a 2 year mission. Odds he ever plays for OSU are probably 50/50

Noah Togiai — Excellent, fluid TE prospect who should add depth to the basketball program as well.

Tuli Wily-Matagi — Big, agile, versatile TE prospect who can even pass well. I would not be surprised to see some TE screen double passes given his skill set.

Jay Irvine — High upside CB prospect. Strong hands, jams, plays the ball well, should have had more offers…a real steal. Plays with a “chip on his shoulder”.

Zach Lucas — Unsure why this guy is a 2-star on rivals. Can play guard or tackle and looks polished.

Taylor Thomas — Punt returner specialist, but could play RB full time if needed. Fairly explosive with good vision.

Shawn Wilson — Athlete is a good description. Looks like he can play WR or in the secondary.

Miki Fifita — Pancake machine. He looks solid.

Jalen Moore — If Riley were getting 2 stars like this guy, the Beavs would be in much better shape. Fluid, hard hitting, and a ball hawk on film. We’ll see if the film is too good to be true and everyone missed on this guy…

Zachery Lopini-Katoa — 2-star prospect as a RB, but I think he projects well (3-star) at free safety.

Thor Katoa — Aggressive is the first word that comes to mind when watching him. Plays behind the line of scrimmage. Looks a step too slow to do that at the next level. I’d project him a MLB and expect him to be solid there.

Deltron Sands — Probably a 3rd down back. Soft hands and excellent pass catcher. Low level 3 star talent. I like the idea of him as a change of pace back, kick returner, and all around utility player. Seems to do a little of everything and do it well.

Blake Brandel — Highly rated and finishes plays, but I think he needs to add bulk. Probably won’t start for 2 years. Projects best as a tackle. Looks a lot like Grant Enger, and I expect that level of serviceable play.

Seth Collins — I’ve warmed up to Collins the more I watched him. I think a low to mid-grade 3-star is fair, but he will need time. He really needs to work on his throwing…someone mentioned he’s more refined than Keaton as a rookie. Interesting. Well, I still think he needs to put in a lot of reps and McGiven has a real project on his hands here. Granted, one with upside. Enrolled early, seems like a student of the game…all of that will accelerate his progress.

Simi Moala — To me, he looks a step slow for Pac-12 play. At least at DE. I’m not sure if they can move him inside…his 6″7, 250lb frame suggests yes, and I think that would be the best idea. If he moves inside, I’d move him up my list.

Omar Hicks-Onu — Some said he runs a sub 4.30, but watching film I didn’t see that. Looks okay but nothing special to me. I like him better than someone like Xavier Hawkins, who everyone loved last year.

Treston DeCoud — I am not as high on this guy as the recruiting services. Not convinced he can cover, as most of the film highlights are bad throws or him hitting someone hard. Maybe a better safety prospect than CB.

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Elu Aydon — This guy has the size, but boy does he look clumsy out there. Looks to play with low football IQ (runs around aimlessly and relies on brute strength). Doesn’t play with passion. A huge project. I would not be surprised if he doesn’t play until his junior year.

No opinion:

The punter, Nick Porebski. I’m not sure how to analyze him. He had a great average (~45 yards) and the walk-on LB from Oregon Hamilton Hunt (no film).

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  • angry angry says:
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    Andersen said they check out academics…they must think Lucas can get in. They are probably on his as right now.

  • thebeaverman says:
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    lucas academics are “close to being cleared up”

  • Bill says:
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    I posted this earlier but Thor Katoa is listed as a DT by OSU. Weighs 275 now.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    censored commentary? c’mon man

    • angry angry says:
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      Not censored. Moved to the general thread. You tell me what this thread has to do with women’s basketball? They don’t even play until Friday. It made zero sense.

      • CraigBeav says:
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        So you buried it into oblivion (i.e., into a thread no one will ever look at again). What’s the deal with this newfound need to curate and organize everything? Menopause? 😉

        I miss laissez faire AB.

        Considering registering AngryAngryBeavs.com, where I can present a critical view of this site’s operation.

        • Jack says:
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          That would be boring. You would have to talk about me a lot.

          • CraigBeav says:
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            We already talk about you all the time Jack. Everyone does. Every minute of every day. He tells us what you’re up to, so we can know what to do.

            😉

          • Jack says:
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            Cool!

            Keep calm and Jack on.

            Hmmm… that doesn’t sound quite right.

      • Homefry Homefry says:
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        I got a chance to reply “first” in a thread, and thought I’d be a bit more creative…

        Sorry to go so left shark on you—–

  • Bill says:
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    I think nearly all these guys will redshirt, mostly due to guys in front of them. Lucas if he qualifies could get into the WR/scat back mix.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’d like to hear opinions. Who you guys think will be difference makers, busts, etc. Did I rank anyone too high/low? Etc.

    • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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      I haven’t watched enough film this year to give a opinion, I’ll watch some when I get home.

    • Bill says:
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      I’d rank them in 4 categories vs the star method.

      Difference makers, Foundations (Multi-year starters), Gap fillers (Start maybe 1 year), and Projects/Waste of scholarships.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    I think Taylor Thomas was one of the most important guys in this class, not only because of his talent, but also because he was pretty much the first guy recruited by the new regime to give his verbal commitment to the team. That helped clear the path for Jay Irvine and Deltron Sands to come here from Florida. Helped sortof break that barrier for recruits from Florida to think of OSU as a landing point. (Fifita I don’t count, because he’s from Hawaii and only lived in Florida his Sr. year)

    Still concerned that Sitake is only here for the short term and will move on to a head coaching gig in a couple years, taking some of the Poly guys with him.

    Also, came across a video interview GA did with Jim Rome back in December. In it, he mentioned something along the lines of “we’re not gonna huddle anymore” as an aside. Gets me a little excited for the new offense. No more glacial huddle sessions followed by play clock infractions (at least I hope)

    (skip ahead to around 3:30)

    • Bill says:
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      Will it be the end of the first down chant? or do we speed it up?

      In the 2000s there were several guys from Florida. Most made it big time. Bernard, Sabby, Chad Johnson, and a couple guys who didn’t do much.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Well, that looks like a solid majority of 3*s. Classes of the past seemed to have a higher component of 2*s, but there were also a few in the 4* range too. Not bad work in 6 weeks.

    I like the “pancake machine,” definitely need more of those.

    In the future, it will be interesting to see the expansion in geography, and if Andersen and staff can get impact lineman on both sides of the ball. I’d love to see some 4* offensive lineman become a regular occurrence.

    Considering the current OSU roster, if any of these guys are difference makers they have to be from the DBs and the kick returners(?). The Olineman all look like they need weight/development time. No one else seems ready to overtake existing roster players. Would love to see improvements in the return game, field position.

    Looking forward to the young OLBs getting some time with this new staff.

  • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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    • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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      Only mentions Katoa (the RB from Utah) going on a mission
      Omar could play early
      Mentions Irvine as a returner
      Moore was underrecruited
      Sees Tuli as a TE, could play early

      • helmsley says:
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        From the first video to the 2nd one – poor guy looks exhausted as well as thinner. Could be only camera stuff but it appears he’s been working very hard.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          Orange is a very sliming color.

          • helmsley says:
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            Wouldn’t that be green and yellow?

          • helmsley says:
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            by way of explanation – ing adjective form of slim is slimming

            if there is one of slime, it would be sliming; thus green and yellow, colors normally associated with slime, I believe.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            LOL. Autocorrect.

    • angry angry says:
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      The most telling comment is OSU had way too many OL…Riley signed so many projects at that position who were not ready to play. Seems Andersen thinks the number should be much smaller with more players who are ready. Also mentioned they’re getting tougher/where they need to be with strength. No shocker Riley didn’t have them tough…

      • scotty says:
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        But how would Riley do more with less if he didn’t have a bunch of probable stinkers mixed in?

      • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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        Too many OL and not enough DBs. That’s why he said there might be room for the new DBs to get good playing time.

    • CraigBeav says:
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      I love the way he speaks. Great motivator.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      So much more definitive, confident, and coherent than Riley; Riley couldn’t deliver and project this much in 5 pressers.

      No doubt this confidence will carry over to scheme, play calling, and strategic aggressiveness.

      And I love the message that competition is open. With Riley, seniority was a clear criteria that overrode talent and ability.

  • 2 says:
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    I think Shawn Wilson will be a star at corner. I think lack of game film of him doing that one job is the only thing holding him back.

    I would also put Aydon at 3* not based on film but based on pure size and strength, he will need 1 year to develop but could/should be an absolute beast with proper aggressive coaching.

    This class is extremely balanced and is a great base for the future. Next year we should add a few more Folau types(instant impact/corner stones) as the coaches have time to develop these relationships. I’m extremely happy with how this class turned out

    • angry angry says:
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      Wilson’s recruitment was strange. After Riley left we heard nothing about Wilson. There’s little film of him. Etc. He looks solid, and GA seems high on him. If Andersen is right and only one player goes on Mission, then the class looks much better. It’s solid right now, and Lucas was the signing day surprise we needed, but those pesky Missions could make it a weak class when we look back on it. We’ll see. Overall given the tough circumstances I give them an A for effort. I also think Andersen’s 2 star talent, though a small sample size, has higher upside than Riley’s.

    • angry angry says:
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      Aydon has 3-star strength, but he ambles around out there, and looks to play with low IQ. Can that be coached into a guy? He also doesn’t play with fire, from what I see. I’m surprised Andersen liked him so much. I must be wrong. But that’s what it looks like to me.

  • angry angry says:
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    I just saw the image of Lyle Moevao falling asleep on the bus, and it triggered a memory of this post:

    http://angrybeavs.com/recruiting/868

    Pretty spot on there. I’m not sure if he has what it takes to be an OC at some point, but it’s possible. I always thought he’d be best as a recruiter and ambassador, and that’s what he’s doing right now. Interesting.

    • Jack says:
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      Dammit Beavocalypse… or whoever you aren’t now… sad story?

      jk… maybe.

      • Beavocalypse LIVES -OSDS says:
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        I was a big Moevao fan in 09- as a player that was a sad story to have it end. But I’m glad he’s still a part of the program. And weren’t those the days when there would only be 10 or so of us commented lol. Now every thread is like reading a book. We’ve come a long way, Angry Beavs

  • Mb says:
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    Angry, the evaluation is perfectly reasonable. That is all you can expect at this point. The numbers for offensive linemen are more a shot at Cavanaugh and then Riley indirectly. There was almost a two year period when they could not have a split team scrimmage due to lack of lineman. How many big ticket linemen were brought in that never played a down and got medical retirements? I once suggested that they needed 19-20 linemen out of 100 man roster. Anderson thinks he needs 16. Obviously he knows way more than I do and I am interested to see and learn how this works. In the last three years, Cav never had 10 guys ready and able to go in any given week.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Jim Wilson tweets:
    1. Hire big name coach – check
    2. New coach hire first rate staff – check
    3. New staff save recruiting season – check

    And:
    “OSU having great day! Winning out on signing-day decisions; big piece left is 2-star DE K. Davis. Goes to show stars don’t tell the story”

  • presleydog says:
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    These guys hustled to put this class together. big question has got to be who is going to play qb next year in this system. Anyone have thoughts on that?

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I could put together some scouting reports, and put them in the recruiting forum. I don’t judge film very well, so I will go off what everybody else says about them.

    I do like the how that the class is put together. I love that they went into Florida, Texas and Utah to compete for some talent. Brennan comes up big for the top talented guy. Where they need help on is the NW, but that should come as the coaches get out and start develop the relationships needed for that. I am interested to see how they develop their camps and what type of participation will they do at some of the big ones, like the one at Nike.

    In addition, to what Angry said about the better talented 2 stars, what we don’t know is how good the coaches are with development. I have a feeling they will be better than the previous staff. I know Riley staff had a “good reputation” for that, but I would argue that for the ones that did develop they missed on quite a bit and failed on many of them. Its too early to tell how well the staff will be at training these kids. But based on their track record I have confidence in GA.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    In the above video I love at the end how he says it again and again and again… we have to get these kids stronger. And he is talking physically and mentally. Riley’s teams, except for the few warriors who did it themselves, seemed weak… mentally and physically. I love the edge to GA. He seems to be a tough bad ass without being a dick.

    • angry angry says:
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      Exactly. He seems to catch himself calling them weak, too, and then turns it around and just says they are closer to where they need to be. Really telling stuff having another coach come in and analyze Riley’s players like that and determine they’re not up to par. We wondered why OSU had so many injuries…remember that? Could easily be poor weight training. GA suggests that. Also, the players saying GA is so much better than Riley. It’s all amazing. I feel vindicated. As should all of you.

      Poor Nebraska.

  • pinger says:
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    I watched Riley’s press conference today out of curiosity:

    http://www.huskermax.com/recruits/vid/2015/riley_presser.html

    It really is a sharp contrast between Andersen and Riley. I think those reporters are perplexed with their new dandy coach. I will be forever grateful to Nebraska.

    • angry angry says:
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      I’m checking it out now. Look at what Nebraska fans are saying:
      http://nebraska.247sports.com/Board/142/Contents/Mike-Riley-breaks-down-his-first-class-at-Nebraska-35401936

      They like that presser…yikes.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          Funny. Especially liked, “I sure hope Coach can solve an opposing defense faster than he solved that water bottle. Righty tighty, lefty loosey.”

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          notice how he starts out saying he downed 2 gallons of mountain dew? i have relatives in Nebraska. mountain dew is like the only shit those people drink. it’s like when the people in Idiocracy cant figure out why the crops are dying, since theyre watering them daily with sports drink. its got electrolytes!

          • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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            It’s what plants crave! Not that stuff from the toilet!

        • wannabeav says:
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          didn’t Dennis recruit Browner?

          • dcbeav says:
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            Yeah. Pretty sure Mr. Nebraska Diarist means Brandon Hughes, who was recruited by Riley and was converted to CB. I guess doing cursory research is beyond these guys.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          “So the neat thing about it is the kids came for Nebraska.”

          So coach you’re telling us it has nothing to do with you and your coaching staff and the only reason these kids signed is because you’re Nebraska. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Newsflash. We already knew you were a shitty recruiter

          • angry angry says:
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            How the hell did Nebraska even become good at football? It’s not exactly a high population center. Farmboys?

            I don’t really get their history or why they were ever good.

            Schools like USC, Texas, and Florida make a lot of sense. Nebraska doesn’t.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            No doubt. Convince me Lincoln is a better place than Corvallis. I think the reason football got big there was people had nothing else to do. Count corn rows?

            And why didn’t UA or ASU become big football schools? Right between Californian and Texas talent, favorable weather, crazy hot girls all over the place. Never understood that…

          • Jack says:
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            “Convince me Lincoln is a better place than Corvallis.”

            First of all, you can’t divide by zero.

            and derrrrrrrrrr.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Two reasons.

            1. Corn fed midwest big boys

            2. Tom Osborne built it into a power utilizing smashmouth, 3 yards and a cloud of dust big boy football utilizing the triple option.

            You could ask yourself that same question about Oklahoma

          • Jack says:
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            Bob Devaney thanks you for not mentioning him while listing your #2. That really would have embarrassed him.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            It was Osborne’s suggestion while an assistant to change the offense to the triple option and Devaney agreed. Osborne’s suggestion built it into the triple option attack and he kept it going when Devaney stepped down 6 years later. I’d say Osborne deserves most of the credit here

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Nebraska became a national power because of Bob Devaney. He was convinced to try a revolutionary approach of weight training by Tom O, who had noticed some injured players came back stronger and faster while working out with an injured pole vaulter, Boyd Epley. It went against all the the conventional wisdom of the time. It was though that power lifting would make you “muscle bound” and slower. Nebraska was trending down and Devaney was looking for an edge to save his butt and was open minded enough to trust a student to train his football team. He became the first paid strength coach in 1969. The edge they gained led to the back to back NC’s in 1970 and 71, which changed them from a regional power to a national one. My sister was an undergrad there when they won those. Boyd Epley became the father of modern S&C.
            They did not run an option offense at that time. It was a power I, hence the term I back for their running backs. The switch to the option based offense happened after TO took over and kept losing to Barry Switzer’s wishbone based teams. I got to witness three of those in person as a young pup.

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            Tangent, but I watched an ESPN show on Marcus Dupree while at an athletic club. Dupree was so ridiculously big, fast, and talented, Switzer switched to the I to take full advantage of his abilities.

            There was a funny bit where they were talking about how the game was so easy for Dupree, it didn’t look like he worked hard and they would get down on him for their perception. One coach described his frustration with Dupree, and he went to grab the ball away from Dupree. He said Dupree held the ball in one hand, and the coach, using two hands, tried to pull it away, and couldn’t, and he got more angry. He said Dupree just stood there and controlled the ball with one hand/arm and laughed the whole time, honestly not trying to be a dick or anything, just a ridiculously strong kid having fun.

            Anyhoo, after a concussion, Dupree was not the same runner in college…kid was an amazing, big, fast runner who looked both powerful and fluid.

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            BTW, Switzer made the change to I formation WITHIN the season to capitalize on Dupree.

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            I believe Switzer made the switch at halftime of a game, when the wishbone/triple option wasn’t working. That story may be apocryphal, but I remember it being a very midstream switch.

          • Jack says:
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            Because that part of the country was central to the cattle industry.

            Yup. That is all.

            They is a cow town.

            And I don’t say that in a disparaging way. That is why they survive. The history of food and subsistence in this country is fascinating. Food stamps probably did more for Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, the Dakotas et al than any other transfer payment ever. Rationing and distributions way back when made them important. Infrastructure built for other resources made them viable.

            And it was all built on the backs of non-whites, bless their souls.

            I should be meaner about this… because I would be right… but I will stop.

            But I won’t stop until I wave my magic wand and remove an NFL franchise from the general region… because they love football… so much.

          • Jack says:
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            Think about this people. Where did cattle drives go to be shipped back east way back in the day? Now what do they do for an economy?

            Hint: Huskers

            What would Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Kansas, the Dakotas and Minny do without corn, soy and wheat subsidies? What would they do without food stamps? What would Iowa do without pork subsidies and laws against taking pictures of CAFOs from the highway?

            I’m pretty sure there are subsidies for tomatoes, celery, carrots, avocados, spinach and the like. But they are no match for the governmental crutch provided to grains and meats… and the states that produce them. If you want to know why our country is fat and stupid, look at how we subsidize and support our food supply. Our government is telling people what to eat, literally. But it is also telling people what to eat more so by how much of our taxes go to support cheap prices on targeted foods.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            There’s no shortage of public policy and funding attention to livestock, ag, and irrigated ag econmoies, that’s for sure. A smaller scale, local example is found in Govenor Kitzhaber’s proposed “natural resources” budget, which include $50M for water development (irrigated ag) without a public benefit requirement….

            But these are topics for the open forum I guess.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Those poor bastards!

    • angry angry says:
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      Riley IS correct that OL and DBs are the most important positions (outside of QB of course). The rest of that presser is gibberish.

      • pinger says:
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        Andersen having team building meetings and having discussion with team leaders.
        It’s clear to me that Andersen and Co have a plan and are well on their way to implementing it. Looking forward to spring ball insight and updates.

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          But not only that, Andersen sounds open to new ideas, concepts, or inputs as they come along. I always saw Riley as incapable of adaptation.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            square peg meet round hole

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Too obvious.

          • Jack says:
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            HEY!!!!

            Instead of throwing a five yard out on third and eight, he sometimes called a three yard drag… that took five counts to develop… with Cooks running the route… on third and seven.

            And [your sky deity here] said it was good and right and just. And [your sky deity here] rested… and told his wife to stuff it… because he just friggin’ called an awesome pass and can’t help it if players didn’t execute his imaginary wonders.

          • ace0099 says:
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            does the deity have to be in the sky?

          • Jack says:
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            That’s where everyone points… when something good happens. Notice not everyone points in the air though. [your sky deity here] only deserves attention when something good happens for you, not against you. Then it would be evil, and it must be because of [your personification of evil here]… even though it’s really because of [his sky deity here]… because that’s where he’s pointing.

            But Jack, what about Tebowing?

            Well, after done Tebowing, you must then stand and point to the sky with both hands to complete the process. I believe this makes [Tebow’s sky deity here] more valid than any other sky deity, even sky deities who get the pointing hand kissed before pointing.

            Didn’t their mothers ever teach them that pointing is rude?

            -or-

            Matthew 6:5-7

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      Not trying to be cruel, but the move does not look llke it has energized Riley one iota. He looks and sounds spent. I guess you can attribute it to his “yearly cold” he alluded to???

      This is not going to end well for him professionally, but was probably a good move financially.

      BDC finally got the balls to fire CR and I think Riley knew he had one more year to improve or he was going to be next, now he has about three years at a much higher salary. I guess you have to extend shelf life while you can. Can’t begrude him for that, but how you can be excited about that presser is beyond me?

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        Adding nitrogen to packaged food makes the food last longer on the shelf, it doesn’t make the contents better.

  • PDXBeav says:
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    Angry – quick suggestion…is there a way to add the tape to this ranking post? That way everyone can analyze the same tape. Would be fun to look back a few years down the road as well

  • Jack says:
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    For those who care:
    https://twitter.com/TheBadgerNation/status/563203715252101120

    For those who are intelligent:
    https://twitter.com/JJWatt/status/563028067632021505

    For those who don’t care:

  • Mb says:
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    One big hole is still de/lb with speed.

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      There are a couple of fast OLBS on the roster in Licuchan(sp?) and Willis. Willis was with the team this past year, the other joined the program in January as a greyshirt I believe.

      Agree that a speed DE is lacking right now. I expect this D coordinator to compensate in the short term with blitzing.

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        Is Liuchan coming? Haven’t heard an update on him.

        edit: Looks like he’s enrolled and has joined the team
        http://tinyurl.com/nesbqvh

      • mb says:
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        if they do go to 3-4-4 or 3-3-5, they need one hybrid de/lb with speed. Neither Liuchan nor Willis is both big and fast at this point.

        • Jack says:
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          James and Barnett are most likely right now. Failuga and Ewing should develop. Hungalu and Mageo could the opposite side, leaving the middle spots for the speed backers.

          • Mb says:
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            I agree. Yet none of those guys to date have shown ability to stop the run, rush the passer and drop into coverage. No three dimensional guys yet. Maybe they develop. Without that player, 3-3-5 and 3-4-4 are just a wet dream. Additional blitz packages and situational substitutions are merely a fig leaf over buck naked. The biggest question going into fall practice will be to identify that guy. If they name a committee, it will be an invitation for opponents to rape and pillage.

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    Looks like they are embracing the chainsaw.
    http://instagram.com/p/yufev3GR1S/

    I really disagree with this image. Just feeds into the cow town/hick crap

  • angry angry says:
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    Eggers with a good article:

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/249625-118089-a-lot-in-little-time-for-andersen-beavers

    Two mission players. Not bad.

    • Jack says:
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      How does Eggers squeeze so much info out of a coach… then fit it all into an article?

      Why do other reporters not ask all these questions and/or provide all this info? He just makes everyone else on our beat look like wet pups.

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        Probably being smart enough to see issues and then ask the pertinent question.I also think he understands the coaching profession and recruiting process better than most journalists. Most journalists don’t ask the right questions, so what they get is fluff/filler, instead of anything interesting.

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          I think you’re right; smarts and experience give Eggers an edge over the younger folks at the O.
          The fact that Eggers covers so much beyond the Beavs and still outdoes beat reporters assigned only to OSU has always impressed me.
          Gina has potential, and neither she nor Connor has the anti-Beavs/Corvallis bias of previous writers, so that’s something.

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      Good to hear about Isaac’s progress and how Andersen is carefully handling his rehab and return.

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    Has GA said anything about still looking for players for this class? Some decent players do slip through the cracks. James Rodgers is the extreme example for the Beavs. David Cobb, the awesome RB that just graduated from the U of M was a late signee in Kill’s first year.

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      Not looking, they’d have to be “difference makers.” Discusses in Eggers article.

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      Never mind. Just read the link to Eggers.

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    I just noticed my BeaverBlitz login is still working despite my cancelling the free trial.

    Uh oh.

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    Question:

    Did Davis get bumped up to three stars before or after he visited Florida?

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      Found out…

      He was a two star until yesterday. Now he’s a three star.

      Maybe we should have all our signees take unofficial visits to SEC schools. That should bump us up about 40 spots in the recruiting rankings.

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        he must have grown a couple inches and got clocked with a quicker 40M time the day before signing day. Good for him! That young man is motivated!

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        Yes. A lot of this is simply based on who offers the kid.

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          makes you wonder if the recruiting sites would bump a kid up for the right amount of $$?

          recruits could benefit by getting offers they wouldnt normally get. schools could benefit by having a percieved higher class ranking.

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            “recruits could benefit by getting offers they wouldnt normally get.”

            Coaches give zero fucks about what a kid’s star rating is or even what his offer list is. That shit is for fans.

          • Numbers says:
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            Not even one Fuck? How about a partial Fuck?

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            The current over/under on ‘Fucks Given by Coaches’ is at 1/2 Fuck according to Vegas

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            Bet the under.

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            If the coach was Mandy I would take the over and under LOL.

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        Still a 2* on Rivals. Pretty sure he was already 3* everywhere else. Including a high 3* on 247. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Keivonnis-Davis-165737

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          I didn’t actually go look at sites. I just saw tweets about him being a 3 star suddenly. Before yesterday, all the tweets referred to him as a 2 star OSU soft commit.

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        He’s still a 2-star on Rivals. Though he’s the highest 2-star possible at 5.4.

        He was already a 3-star on 247 and ESPN.

        He’s actually a high 3-star on 247.

        Not sure what you’re talking about.

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    Does anybody know how to go about getting tickets to the Spring Game?

  • cj cj says:
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    Can’t make it to today’s game. Will there be a new thread in ‘Basketball’ for the weekend games?

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      yes

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        A request because I’m lazy..

        Would it be too much trouble to add the ‘Category’ box at the bottom of threads? Say to the right of the ‘Write a Comment’ box? (Some of the threads rival the number of Yuck football uniform combinations) Then you can change Categories without having to scroll back up to the top.

        I said I was lazy….

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    For anyone who still reads Gina Mizell, she did a pretty good article on how Andersen and staff assembled the recruiting class.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/02/inside_how_gary_andersens_staf.html#incart_m-rpt-1

    Too bad there’s not room for Mizell at P-T to pair with Eggers.

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    I find it a bit troubling that Andersen could only flip one Wisconsin recruit and that recruit is probably a Mormon. From Egger’s article in the Trib.:

    “…Of the 15 players who had verbally committed to Wisconsin while Andersen was coach, only one wound up at Oregon State — 6-3, 335-pound defensive tackle Elu Aydon from American Samoa. …”

    AND FWIW I wish Parker, etc. would quit asking Andersen why he decided to come to Corvallis. The reason I say that is IMO they’re putting Andersen in a position where he has to lie, or should I say not tell the truth. In other words I find myself thinking Bull Shit when I listen to his words and watch his body language/facial expressions and it makes me uncomfortable about him.

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      He should just say “I came because of the delightful repartee on Angrybeavs. Those non gender specific folks are awesome!”

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      I agree. It’s pretty obvious OSU is a means to an end for him. I don’t buy any of the “I love the area and it has always been on my RADAR”

      I hope I’m wrong, but I’ve got the over/under on 3 years for GA and his staff.

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        I think he is a westerner and views a job the PAC as his dream job. Ours just happened to open up.

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          Which is fine but I have to figure he didn’t say that because there’s some other reason. Such as Barry’s an A-hole. Or my wife hated the frigging weather and told me that if I didn’t get her the hell out of there she’d cut my Mr. Wiggy off. Something like that. 🙂

          Or how about

          …I saw Riley skating for the last X years and I’m starting to get burnt out so I figured hey …. gravy train…

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        He’s already 50 i don’t think he wants to move around a bunch more Especially now that Utah’s coach got extended. i read it that he sees it to a certain point that he won’t just get fired suddenly. However i don’t think he plans on coasting. I think he sees this as somewhere he’ll be given the time and resources to be successful including being able to get more players admitted.

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        Could be, I’m not sure what that “end” is though. If he was just seeking to climb to successively higher positions, then OSU doesn’t make sense from Wisc. And he doesn’t seem in the mold of an NFL coach.

        I think he has that scrappy underdog mentality that just doesn’t let him get comfortable at a lofty position. I think he would have preferred to come back to coach Utah, but OSU was a pretty good alternative in his mind.

        I guess as much as I could see him jumping ship in a few years, I could also see him stick around for 5+. And I think he truly likes to build foundations for those under him to ascend and succeed when he leaves. For example, USU didn’t just do a face-plant when he left. So, who knows, maybe he will build a program of hard-working, tenacious over-achievers.

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      Yeah, that makes me uneasy too. Interestingly, on a radio interview in SLC for some old media friends, Andersen let it slip a bit that he (essentially) is more candid about why he came to Oregon State when he’s visiting recruits.

      It’d be nice if we could drop all the coachspeak professionalism BS and he could just say he left because:

      * He didn’t really like it so much in Wisconsin
      * The admissions department had sticks up their butts and he was never quite on the same page as them as to what the requirements were, leading to rugs getting yanked out from under him
      * The shadow of Alvarez
      * Oregon State was making a push on football and offering a good opportunity to parachute out of Madison

      As far as OSU being on his radar, I’d guess he might have thought of it in passing, like “huh, that’s a nice little place.”

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        I didn’t see your reply until I’d added more mumbles of my own. Looks like we’re thinking the same on this.

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      I’m tired of them asking him that question too; not because his answer is clearly insincere, but because I think its a transparent effort to “change the narrative,” which Tinkle and Andersen have done by action. To keep forcing him to put it into words actually makes it less effective over time.

      And that’s not to say Andersen is long for Corvallis/OSU. If he stays more than 3-4 years, I’d be pleasantly surprised, but he might.

      Further, I don’t begrudge him if he is the type that likes to move around; and this is his third job in three years. If he takes OSU to a Holiday or Alamo Bowl+ victory and leaves afterwards, fine. He sets a higher standard for OSU, and contributes to the reality that a competent coach can come in to Corvallis and win (as did Erickson, which the Riley apologist quickly forgot in their false narrative).

      Take it to another level, get the VFC improvements done, maybe establish momentum for a stadium upgrade, and it makes it attractive for a motivated, young coach and staff. These days, the long-term program coaches are becoming fewer and fewer. The days of a Paterno-like career are for the most part over. It’s up to the AD to manage the change so that its positive for OSU, not just the coach.

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    So is anybody else worried about Isaac? It sounded by Eggers article that even if he did participate in Spring ball he would be limited. Now he won’t play in the Spring so he would have essentially not practiced or played any ball for 20months? (Xmas 2013 – to Fall 2015).

    I wonder if he will ever be 100% again? You would think that Spring ball would be super beneficial for a guy who has done nothing but roll along on a scooter for a year and a half.

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      Yes, me too. A friend of mine had a serious foot injury and he never did get over it so Isaac might be in the same boat. Especially considering how much weight he’s carrying.

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    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1865054/highlights/175541383

    This is my star of the class. I love Lucas and Folau a lot as we’ll but check this kid out. Looks like a potential starter as a true freshman to me

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      Hopefully the new coaching staff will give him a chance to play; unlike the previous staff (Riley) who almost never let a freshman play. Perhaps because his system was too frigging complex??

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      Damn hadn’t watched that! Playmaker! Nice that he can play all over but i feel he looks dangerous with the ball in his hands so i like him as a receiver. However were a lot deeper there than db

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      Maybe he’s a DB who gets some snaps in specific offensive packages?

      Tough call. I almost like him better on the offensive side of the ball.

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    A small de/lb 6’1 220 fast with a great motor is Sie Doe jr.

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    Mama tweeted “‘If you aren’t evolving as a coach, you’re falling behind,’ Coach Gary Andersen”

    Was GA subtly referencing Riles? And odd mama would tweet that comment considering she was riding Riles for so long; MR is/was the antithesis of that statement.

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    A statistical comparison of relative strength of recruiting class vs. actual on-field success. In other words, how well does a program improve on the talent it recruits. Look at the chart for past 10 years. UO #2, OSU #4.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/after-signing-day-wisconsin-makes-the-best-of-its-recruits/

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Lots of questions generated by that analysis method. First, for me it calls into question whether or not teams are “over” or “underachieving,” or whether it means the people who asses classes are underachieving. Second, predicted success based on perceived recruiting class strength leaves out all kinds of other factors.

      I think its probably pointless to try and rank classes from #1 – last. After the top 10 – 20, its probably best just to group schools into thirds or something.

      Fun stuff.

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        Perhaps it means the recruiting “experts” don’t know shit, and a monkey could make more sound picks from year to year. Or perhaps it means that polls are subjective, therefore, relative.

        His homemade RPI is still dependent on subjective analysis, which makes the methodology flawed. But they are static references.

        So there’s that.

        Btw… I don’t see us at #4. I see us at about #80.

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          *50

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          We are number 4 on the second chart which is for 2005 – 2014. The first chart is just for 2014.

          • Jack says:
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            This almost makes me care. Wake me up when someone brings up USN&WR college rankings.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            Wake up Jack!

            OSU # 138 (T with WSU) in National Universities rankings.

            Stanford #4, Cal #20, UCLA #23, USC # 25, UW #48, UC #88, UO #106, ASU #129, Utah #129,

            http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

            Methodology: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2014/09/08/how-us-news-calculated-the-2015-best-colleges-rankings

            That wasn’t pretty….

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            OSU profile:

            http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/oregon-state-3210

          • Jack says:
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            I wonder if anyone actually reads that methodology. Anyone with half a brain (or a legitimate college education) would know that a ranking based on the equivalent of facebook likes is about as far from a real methodology as you can get.

            I personally think OSU should do what Reed does, and just tell them we will not participate in their little rankings-porn-for-profit scheme. We as a state went after Forbes for their rankings. So why not give USN&WR their due?

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            I doubt many read them. I agree with your second paragraph. A university that has science and engineering programs should be critical of the publications methods, and forego participation until the publication develops more defensible methods in response to constructive criticism.

          • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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            Globally, we rank #250. Ahead of UO and WSU. The methodology is better and makes more sense, given the international presence of a research university.

            http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/oregon-state-university-209542

          • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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            Also, you can look at other rankings as well:

            Washington Monthly has OSU at #78–ahead of WSU (#100), Colorado (#107), and UO (#111).
            http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/rankings-2014/national-universities-rank.php

            QS (global) has OSU pegged at #451–ahead of UO (#551), but below WSU (#379).
            http://www.topuniversities.com/universities/oregon-state-university/undergrad

          • Jack says:
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            QS is a little bit better than what we were talking about. but that’s like saying Death Valley is a little bit higher elevation than the Dead Sea.

            If you want just one ranking, ARWU is good. Webometrics is based wholly on output data and peer reviews. And 4icu is decent. Beyond that classifications and considerations by publications who do not spend all day every day focusing on higher education are pretty much bunk. Surveys about how this group feels about that group shouldn’t even be considered data. How do you translate feelings into numbers? And I ask this as someone who has been trained in economics. Classifications published by Carnegie and Princeton Review are pretty good when added to to everything else.

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            138 is terrible. OSU needs to get that number up somehow. Despite the methodology, people pay attention to those rankings and they do matter (to perception).

          • Jack says:
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            There is no methodology. There is no number. This is like trying to divine human nature from a slot machine which pays out but requires no sacrifice. This is like telling us how old the earth is by counting begets in the bible.

            A good marketing campaign for OSU would raise that number. With every real marker for education remaining static among all schools, including marketing budgets and campaigns, OSU would gain 40 spots by differentiating themselves on marketing alone.

            Sending out “acceptance” letters would help immensely. If we did like Nikegon does and sent out “applications” which were essentially acceptance letters but sent to people we knew would never attend our school because, oh, say we didn’t have an engineering department… we could count each and every one of those who do not respond as not accepted. What does that do to our acceptance rate? Sorry, OSU has a mandate to serve the public.

            We can count any of our profs with awards or who are nationally recognized by peers… once for each separate department they might teach… or their TA might teach. Yes… that business math class you took at USC that was taught by the TA of that engineering prof… that counted as one prof in USC’s books… as did the remedial math class taught by another of his TAs… as did each of the classes in each of the separate disciplines of engineering.

            And then there was (is still?) payola on top of all that.

            But wait! For only the cost of shipping and handling, I can get to the “our methodology is based on emotion” part of my rant.

            So call now and blah blah blah.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Mannion, Nelson, Gwacham to NFL combine…I suspect Mannion will need a good “pro day,” after the NFL combine, Nelson will be a better “football player” than “combine performer,” and teams will be intrigued by Gwacham’s athleticism and combine numbers. In the long term, Nelson has the best chance of playing with regularity in the NFL.

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      Nelson is a stud. He should be a 1st or 2nd rounder, imo. No clue where they project him, but I had him penciled for the NFL in 2012 when he signed.

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