03.Feb.2016 Ranking the 2016 Recruiting Class

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My yearly rankings. These are in order of how I view their talent. Based mostly on film, unless I have other information.

What I noticed most is there are very few clear 1 or 2 star duds, like there always were under Riley. Even he 2-star guys seem to bring something to the table and/or have upside. Also, I predicted GA would have a top 35 class year two. He’ll be right around there. Next year he’ll be low 30s, if not better.

*****

Artavis Pierce — Best looking player in the class. Looks like an SEC RB body type but with better speed. The poor line play might hold him back, but he’s a great looking RB.

Hamilcar Rashed — Disruptive player with a relentless motor and mean streak.

****

Trevon Bradford — Extremely quick and shifty. Under the radar player who I think surprises people.

Riley Sharp — Incredible looking pass catching TE with good speed. Not sure if he can block. Heard he is going on a mission, so they’ll have to re-recruit him if that’s true. Major talent who would consistently beat LBs if he remained at TE.

Shurod Thompson — Solid looking safety prospect. Best adjective for him is “balanced” player.

Christian Wallace — Big, fast CB. What’s not to like? I just think the services went a little overboard in hyping him up (probably due to the Texas offer). I see a very good athlete, but is he a shut down corner like Nelson so obviously was? I don’t see that, but maybe with some coaching he turns into that.

Mason Moran — His speed puts him into the 4-star category. So-so passer at this point, but great wheels and heady player. By the time he’s ready to start, he should have a year or two of coaching under his belt and hopefully be a better passer. Then again, if Garrettson is a bust, Moran could be thrown into the mix immediately.

Kenny Turnier — Underrated player. Fast, finishes tackles, engulfs QBs.

***

David Fangupo — Huge, agile, and fast (played RB at one point).

Issac Garcia — Fluid, agile, athletic end rusher. Possibly could play other positions (TE in HS). Needs more strength.

Tyson Penn — Great height and vertical, lacks top end speed, seems to have good hands. All around very good looking player.

Landry Payne — Very good return man, good looking CB. I expect him to start next year.

Wesley Payne — Solid all around. I expect him to start next year.

Phillip Napoleon — Huge DE. So large, in fact, you wonder if he can stay at DE. His weight might be a detriment, but on film he looks pretty nimble. I’d rank him higher if it weren’t for the weight and all the uncertainty that comes with that. Intriguing prospect for sure.

Doug Taumoelau — Great quickness and gets off the ball well. Good form tackling and comes from a good football family. Only issue I see with him is he’s not the most agile guy…QBs and RBs who are mobile will probably juke him easily. Good prospect to fill a certain role (i.e. pass rusher vs a pocket QB, power RB, etc). Needs to add 20 – 30lbs, and this might affect agility even more. Risky but intriguing prospect. I’d get him on an agility program asap, tight hips.

Shemar Smith — Developmental prospect who could be very good by junior year. Good speed around the edge and tons of sacks in HS. Currently undersized.

Kee Whetzel — See above. I like Whetzel more as a WR or Safety. He can develop into a good defensive player over time, but I think that would take a couple years. I also think he projects better as a Safety than OLB…not confident in how the coaches are handling him right now but we’ll see. Long, lean, with good speed.

Kyle White — Fast RB. My guess is they view him as a change of pace back to play immediately. I think he can fill that role, but I don’t see an every down RB who’s a game changer. If he’s a good pass catcher, than that bumps him up a bit. 2-star rating seems off. He looks better than that unless he has off the field issues.

Shemiah Whitson — Strange player. Explosive, but doesn’t seem to wrap up well/tackles high. Could be a frustrating one who never reaches potential unless they can coach him up.

Andrzej Hughes-Murray — Originally had him as a 2-star, but bumped him due to potential. Incredible power hitting opponents and 4.6 speed. Poor agility and purely downhill running, which lowered my rating. Has a huge upside and could leave being a star if he can play better laterally/improve agility.

Paisa Savea — Big body returning from mission, so he’s mature and ready to go. I found his film poor quality and hard to evaluate. I didn’t see anything spectacular or bad, so I’d say low 3-star is fair, with some upside.

**

Timmy Hernandez — Baldwin spoke highly of him, saying he’s a great person and leader. He looks to have good hands and size. Possibly a nickle CB or slot possession WR. I view him as a guy to give depth but not start.

Joah Robinett — I’m skeptical a 6″8 football player can succeed as a DE. Leverage is going to be a big problem. I don’t like this signing and feel he’s be rated too high by the services due to his size, but I’m open to being very wrong. Some good evaluators love this guy.

Gus Lavaka — Not impressed.

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  • scotty says:
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    Last Riley Beaver recruiting rankings according to Rivals: 39, 54, 71 (gee, anyone spot a trend?)

    This year with Andersen: 41, and it required a lot less gum

  • BlindSquirrel says:
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    I wouldn’t count last year’s class (71) against MR considering he took the best recruits with him to Nebraska.

  • Chuck_The_Mouth says:
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    Angry, your review is pretty spot on… Super happy with this class, and I agree, this class looks good top to bottom not many duds at all… One thing regarding joah robinett, I get where your coming from regarding leverage but this guy looks way athletic for his size! I think with some added weight he could be really effective even if sometimes he gets held up, his length is going to allow him to knock down balls. When he gets free, look out cause he is fast and wraps up pretty good. . It will be interesting to see

    • angry angry says:
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      Robinett is an odd one…wasn’t sure how to project him. I think he will block some extra points in his career. Not sure what else he can do. If he can catch/run at all I’d move him to TE. As a DE I don’t love him. My .02

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      The Mad Stork was 6-7, albeit a different era, different position. More currently, Jared Veldheer plays left tackle in the NFL at 6-8, leverage at the outside line positions isn’t the same as an interior lineman.

      • Chuck_The_Mouth says:
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        Angry, I think if he would be effective with weight. Look at the NFL, there are quite a few excellent Denfensive Ends who are real tall. Calais Campbell comes to mind. The thing they have that he doesn’t is the weight. Most of the tall defensive ends are around 300lbs, robinett is listed at 225… If Robinett could put on about 60lbs over the next few years he could be scary. But is putting on that much weight even possible? Or how much does weight effect athleticism?

        • angry angry says:
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          Yeah he might pan out. It’s not obvious like the Krebs, Pankey, or Cowdin — those guys were obvious busts. This guy is nimble and athletic, so if he molds his body in an ideal way he can become something. I’m not completely down on him and there’s some bias in what I wrote as I would never go for that type of player (I guess most coaches agree because he doesn’t have many offers). GA could wind up looking like a genius and JR proves everyone wrong. He’s nimble and athletic so he has that going for him. Sculpting is body ideally and then learning form/technique for that frame is going to be the hard part, but possible.

          • Chuck_The_Mouth says:
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            Thats kinda my feeling to after seeing him too… He doesn’t look like a dud and has potential… Oregon has been pretty successful with long tall athletic guys like armstead and debuckner… Hopefully it won’t be like watching Obum Gwacham, all the potential in the world but just couldn’t put together… One thing has going for him is he plays on the defensive line… Not as much skill required and straight athletes can get by sometimes

          • angry angry says:
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            Gwacham is in the NFL, so eventually he reached some level of potential.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            The tall guys are all about flexibility and knee bend. Gophers have a couple of super tall dudes(early Rodent Bowl preview) a 6’9 RT and a TE that lines up next to him that is 6’10”. Whenever there is a short yardage situation they almost always get submarined. So this tall dude may be awesome in a normal D, he will in all likely hood be a liablitiy in a short yardage situation. Go Beav’s.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Andersen said he wanted “longer” and faster players, he seems to be getting them.

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Where did Himphill end up signing or is he still deciding?

  • wannabeav says:
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    as they say in sports talk radio, “mark the tape.” This kind of analysis is why I come to this site.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Eggers has his top 5 up. Some decent background and quotes.
    This caught my eye on “the best looking player in the class”:

    “Pierce says his grades have improved as a senior but that he fell just short of qualifying with his ACT score. He is re-taking one class and will re-take the ACTs in hopes of meeting the qualifying standard. If that happens, he’ll arrive in Corvallis in June to begin to prepare for August training camp.”

    And, PROPS TO ANGRY FOR GOING ON THE RECORD HERE !! Thanks for putting in the time to work up such a complete rundown.

    • Ripper Ripper says:
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      Agree…good job, Angry.

    • angry angry says:
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      Thanks. That’s not good about Pierce…

    • beavers4life says:
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      I took the ACT 10 years ago…wow…(that sounds like forever ago), And I didn’t fair well on it, but then again, I didn’t know what to expect or what it entailed. I was never very good with timed tests in high school. So I can understand a high school student who knows they have to work a little harder at school than most to keep their grades up(I had legitimate ADHD all my life and through high school), so I hope by taking it again, he’s able to be more prepared than the first time he took it and have the confidence to do well on it.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Riddle me this. Who is Gunnar Braden and why did his parents name him after one of the Nelson twins? Ugh. No, seriously. He isn’t on the list I saw yet tweeted he’d signed a LOI to play at Oregon St

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      O line from Lake O. Signed as a pref. Walk on I believe

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        thanks NB. My biggest concern moving forward is losing guys due to not being able to qualify academically. There’s always the threat of losses there. Just because you signed an LOI doesn’t mean you can now slack off academically for the last 4+ months until graduation. I don’t want any more of this Luck O’ da Rodents as beavergopher calls it. On to the next phase of getting the Riley stink off of the football program.

        • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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          GA addressed that in his presser, or was it the interview with Parker. Given the improved GPA of the team I get the feeling he takes academics more seriously that Lazy Riles.

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            Spot on, orangej. Kyle Peko is proof of that.
            Personal responsibility aside, I will always believe MR cost Peko a season by not being on top of that situation. A source assures me that Andersen said he’d be all over Peko shortly after he (GA) arrived, and it worked.

        • bleedorange says:
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          Ya that’s what i had mentioned in the previous thread. I think fungupo is one to watch also. They said he might not be ready academically this year.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    7:43 mark. A question asked about poaching recruits. Love GA’s answer. Right on

    • ObjCritic says:
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      10:56 he again says “we need to get longer, we need to run better….” than he says that Pierce will have something to say about who is starting RB next fall…hope the kid focuses on academics and gets qualified.

  • Bill says:
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    Final team rankings out, Beavs dropped in some

    Rivals -41
    Espn – 45
    Scout – 55
    247 – 52

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Considering the Beavs didn’t lose anyone that seems odd…other teams were able to jump them because of late adds no one knew about presigning day?

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        I think we’ve been hovering around 39 for the last couple months, so there really hasn’t been much change.

        Michael Johnson was a pretty high 3 star so parting ways with him might have hurt a little.

        IMO there really isn’t much of a difference between 30 and 40. Funny, average star rating we’re also 41.

        • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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          Was just thinking about how our class had mostly unrated players when they committed, who got bumped to 3* right after verballing to OSU. Then 1 or 2 2* kids got bumped to 3* just a week or 2 before signing day. It’s like we were destined for high 30’s low 40’s long ago, and the ratings were tweaked to keep us in that spot.

          • angry angry says:
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            I wonder how much attrition. Already hearing Pierce, who I like best in the class, is a possible casualty. Last year Thomas looked like a pretty good RB and wound up being a casualty, among others. So the class can only get worse from here.

            But as of today, I think this is the best class ever. Reason being all these guys look aggressive, tenacious, and mean, along with athletic/fast. Totally different body types and mentality compared to Riley recruits. I don’t see many 4 year projects. At most I see 2 year projects. Some of these guys will contribute right away, too. The Payne brothers (while older/JC guys) will play right away. I’m amazed at how good they look compared to their offer sheets…

    • scotty says:
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      Hate to say it, but that’s Rileyesque

  • homefry homefry says:
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    I spoke to Gus Lavaka this morning-he sends his regards.

  • blackbug says:
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    You forgot one thing to Gus Lavaka’s credit. He does have good size. It is at least something.

    • Beav in TX says:
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      Plus, he’s older. That’s always a plus from a physical standpoint.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Lavaka committed to Hawaii, now signed with the Beavs brings up a question for me…

    Why invest resources and time in guys who will likely change their minds in two years anyway?

    The mission guys, I still don’t get all the interest they receive. Why not just recruit them as they come off mission, seems like you would have just as much success.

    Is it a case of trying to be the first guy in?

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      I don’t get the mission kid thing either. Seems like a waste of time. I wonder how many times mission kids commit to schools, and then come back and attend BYU anyway. Haven’t really looked into it, but I feel like that happens more often then not.

      Does anyone know if we’ve ever signed a Mission Kid who went on their mission and came back as expected?

      Maybe just a class ratings booster.

      • blackbug says:
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        Unga brothers. Although they changed their names to something else later.

        • dwill03 dwill03 says:
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          Weren’t they originally committed to BYU, but then came to OSU after getting back from their mission?

          • blackbug says:
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            Nope, not to my memory. I just double checked they committed in 2006 and left for missions.

          • blackbug says:
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            Also, in a lot of ways recruiting a mission recruit is no different than being a recruit’s first offer or first commit before they leave you for other programs. It just becomes a longer process when the mission is involved. The long term reward is you end up with a recruit who is more physically and mentally mature. Most men physically peak around 22-30 so it can be beneficial to have athletes in their prime. Just some thoughts.

            This year we lost about 8 commits in the process if my count is very close. Granted at least half were not poached and due to other circumstances, but it gives you an idea that you end up losing roughly 30 to 50% of “commits” in a given year regardless of mission or not.

    • Bill says:
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      It’s the same as recruiting a guy who might be a non qualifier. He might just make it in.

      In the case of mission kids, they may delay going on their mission.

      • angry angry says:
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        That’s correct, some delay it, and then some keep tabs on who showed them love before the mission.
        It’s frustrating for sure, though.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      “Is it a case of trying to be the first guy in?”
      Yes. Never want sloppy seconds. A rule to live by.

  • angry angry says:
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    For those in Oregon, which of these guys are the best fit for the system?
    http://battleprepwest.com/2016/02/03/oregons-top-recruits-1-50-class-of-2017/

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Not going to pretend I know much about many of these guys, but those top 3 are can’t miss defensive guys. Molden totally shut down Trevon Bradford in head to head matchup last year. Tuipolutu is a guy our staff has been in contact with since they arrived in Oregon. Also lives fairly close to Corvallis, so easy to get him in for a visit. Moore is an athlete. Could play multiple positions on defense. Has been to Corvallis for an unofficial visit.

      So basically I’m saying any of the top 3 guys in Oregon would be really solid guys to land. Shocking…

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        Meant Greene when I said Moore. Was crossing his name up with a kid up in Washington

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Interestingly Elijah Molden doesn’t have an OSU offer? son of Alex Molden a former duck DB
      Marlon Tuipolutu for sure
      I would go with Connor Neville. I mean we need QB’s right? I think he went to couple of games last season.

      Looking at that list I would suspect that Wilsonville will be pretty good. Neville’s brother (twin?) is also on the list at WR.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Seth Collins goes to Northern Illnois

    • DB says:
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      I’m sure his dad will be relocating out that way in order to micromanage his career there.

    • Boba says:
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      And is he doesn’t win the starting job in 2017 where does he go next?

      • scotty says:
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        NIU isn’t a bad team. Heck, they’ve been to a BCS bowl more recently than the Beavs. SC getting the starting role isn’t a given

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Isn’t that where Agnew went? They continue to cash in on the Oregon State pipeline….(no knock on Agnew btw)

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Agnew went to Southern Ill. U……the fightin’ Salukis. Y’all

        • angry angry says:
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          That university hired me once. They were such dicks when I declined the job to take a job at OSU (they hired me as well)….but I then had to decline OSU before starting because I got an even better job. OSU were completely cool about it and told me they understood, etc. The guy at Southern Illinois told me he was going to put me on a blacklist for bailing on the job. lololol. I was like, pay more, asshole. I think I told him to fuck off when he began making threats, but that University are lowlifes in my limited experience.

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            Can’t remember which company it was (Jantzen? Boyd’s Coffee?) that had a statement on some portion of their job application package which said, “Many successful people do not work for us” and went on encourage applicants to not take rejection as the end of the world. Seemed classy to me at the time.

  • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Assuming no one cares about the game tonight this no game thread?

  • Mitch Cumstein says:
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    This is so hilarious. This isn’t that great of a recruiting class, and you would think that by reading the review this is going to be a bad ass team. Get ready for another 2-10 season. OSU outside of 3-5 good seasons EVER is a wannabe. Take off the orange colored glasses.

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