18.Jan.2013 Recruiting/General Discussion
Discuss recruiting and anything else.
There are some recruiting notes in the forums here.
If you have inside info, share it.
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Discuss recruiting and anything else.
There are some recruiting notes in the forums here.
If you have inside info, share it.
Lj Moore is down to OSU and OU. thats cool. also, Steven nelson had his bike stolen during class today. Way to welcome him to OSU jackass.
Lane Kiffin making more friends….
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/recruit-decommits-usc-lane-kiffin-pulls-scholarship-three-165651928–ncaaf.html
We’re on him early, but we’ll see what happens when the elite recruiters start paying attention.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-12/sports/ct-spt-0113-prep-bkb-athlete-of-month-20130112_1_marian-catholic-s-tyler-ulis-preps-plus-athlete-tracy-abrams
6’2″ 365 lbs?
Some JC film from 2011 for those with SilverLight:
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/977868/faleaoga-russell
No stars, no offers, high interest in OSU according to Rivals. Recruited by Joe Seumalo.
Sounds like Bray has been hired as a full-time assistant. Great move by Riles. Wonder who shuffles out?
I am not, nor do I claim to be, a large donor to the Beavs. I do, however, know and occasionally talk to one ‘cigar’ donor.
Here’s a rumor for you.
There is some pretty serious talk about replacing Danny Langsdorf. There have been grumblings in the past, but this is different. More than I’ve ever heard before with regard to Danny. A lot of big donors have soured on him and finally believe it’s the next logical step to improving the program. I heard similar talk last year with Greg Newhouse before he was offered the job of quality control coach or whatever it was.
During the 2006 season, there was very serious talk about firing Coach Riley, particularly after the Washington State game. But no donor would cut the check required for the buyout. That made sense at the time. Lots of money had been spent on the massive new video board, Raising Reser II was just in full swing. There wasn’t enough money to go around to do that buyout.
Now though? Danny is on a year to year. Lots of people see the issues in team preparation and play calling. Honestly, I think half of the clock mismanagement issues come down to the OC. The fact that our QB’s can’t play well in their first 2 seasons? OC/QB coach. Play calling? OC.
This is one reason I’m glad Coach Kelly is returning to Oregon. The dude is so damn good it forces us to make (for Coach Riley) radical moves like firing an incompetent OC.
No clue who might replace him. The rumors of Coach Bray being hired full time are interesting. One scenario that would work out well would be Coach Locey to OC, Coach Bray to LB coach, Danny to _____. That’s not any part of the rumor, just something I was thinking about as a relatively quick solution to the problem of the OC.
We’ll see.
What really needs to happen is for Langsdorf to move on or get back into the NFL. Bring in a NFL vet like Perry who’s looking to get back to college.
The reason he hasn’t grown is because he’s been here the whole time. Most coaches bounce around and learn different concepts before meshing it all into their own style. He’s really only been under Riley the whole time.
Apparently OSU coaches visited this kid recently. He’s in the 2014 class
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Devante-Downs-143108
SMASH ?@devante__1
Oregon St and Boise St came thru the school to see me last two days cool coaches
Got it.
I was just reading Bill Poehler’s article. But now that I look back I see that… and that the news is at least a month old.
A Montana State defection would have surprised me – a lot. Rob Ash has built a good program, there are stadium upgrades galore, and Mt. State has a new (a couple of years anyway) president, a 5-1″ woman who loves athletics.
Actually, she wears (the couple of times I’ve seen her) high heels and not the chunky kind. She, in 2011, announced at a football game that Jake Jabs, furniture store magnate who used to play guitar at a bar in Bozeman, had donated $25 million to Mont. St. for the construction of a new business school.
Yes, not sure it’s a technical term. The heels are wider and shorter. And that’s all I want to say about that..
Usually it’s here where I excuse myself with a quizzical look.
Fair disclosure: I got a girl who I told on our first date that I hated make-up, and she hasn’t spent a dime on it since.
And heels would maybe bring her within a foot of my height.
So… yippee!
I found this thread about what the Grizzly fans were saying about him. Interesting
http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60412&sid=437d6585a3bb57ef093a72089a5e1988
on twitter
#OregonSt coaching moves: Trent Bray has been promoted to full-time LBs coach and Jay Locey becomes Chief of Staff (non-coaching position).
It seems a fair trade on the face of it. Wasn’t Locey just an admin guy who was decent at talent evaluation but not on the recruiting trail?
I understand he was also a real coach, but he seemed to be known more for team-building activites.
I’m still interested to know what happens regarding the other rumors/discontent.
official release for a little more clarity
http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011513aaa.html
“Locey’s former responsibility as the tight ends coach will be handled by a yet to be named graduate assistant coach.”
Gotta wonder if this could be Tim Euhus? Maybe looking to finish up a masters degree? Isn’t he currently coaching highschool football at Crecent Valley? Wasn’t he a grad assistant at one time already though? so many questions…..
thinking they really wanted to keep Trent Bay, so to get around the coaching limit, created an admin position that still complements the football team
Something we haven’t talked about yet are the newly proposed NCAA rule changes. The rich will only get richer, and the NCAA will have less policing to do. Kids are going to be overexposed to contact from schools in my opinion. I’ll paste them in here although it might be too lengthy for a post. Sorry in advance.
PROPOSED NCAA RULES CHANGES
Rule 2-1: Establishes the commitments that guide the underlying operating bylaws. This includes a commitment to fair competition, which “acknowledges that variability will exist among members in advantages, including facilities, geographic location and resources and that such variability should not be justification for future legislation.”
11-2: Would eliminate the rules defining recruiting coordination functions that must be performed only by a head or assistant coach.
11-3-B: Would prohibit the live scouting of future opponents except in limited circumstances.
11-4: Would remove limits on the number of coaches who can recruit off-campus at any one time, the so-called “baton rule.”
12-1: Would establish a uniform definition of actual and necessary expenses.
12-3: Would allow a student-athlete to receive $300 more than actual and necessary expenses, provided the expenses come from an otherwise permissible source.
12-4: Would permit individuals to receive actual and necessary competition-related expenses from outside sponsors, so long as the person is not an agent, booster, or representative of a professional sports organization.
12-5: Would allow student-athletes in sports other than tennis to receive up to actual and necessary competition-related expenses based on performance from an amateur team or event sponsor.
12-6: Would allow student-athletes and prospects to receive actual and necessary expenses for training, coaching, health insurance, etc. from a governmental entity.
13-1: Will allow schools to treat prospects like student-athletes for purposes of applying recruiting regulations once a National Letter of Intent or signed offer of admission or financial aid is received.
13-2: Will allow off-campus contact with recruits beginning the first day of junior year in high school and communication with recruits on or after July 1 after the completion of the recruit’s sophomore year in high school.
13-3: Would eliminate restrictions on methods and modes of communication
13-4: Would eliminate the requirement that institutions provide materials such as the banned-drug list and Academic Progress Rate data to recruits.
13-5-A: Would eliminate restrictions on sending printed recruiting materials to recruits.
13-7: Would eliminate restrictions on publicity once a prospective student-athlete has signed a National Letter of Intent or written offer of financial aid or admission.
13-8: Would deregulate camps and clinics employment rules related to both recruits and current student-athletes. Senior football prospects would be allowed to participate in camps and clinics.
14-1: Eliminates academic regulations that are covered elsewhere and directly supported by institutional academic policy.
16-1: Would allow institutions, conferences or the NCAA national office to provide an award to student-athletes any time after initial full-time enrollment.
16-2: Would allow conferences, an institution, the U.S. Olympic Committee, a national governing body or the awarding agency to provide actual and necessary expenses for a student-athlete to receive a non-institutional award or recognition for athletics or academic accomplishments. Expenses could also be provided for parents/legal guardians, a spouse or other relatives as well.
16-3: Would allow institutions, conferences or the NCAA to pay for other academic support, career counseling or personal development services that support the success of the student-athlete.
16-4: Would allow institutions, conferences or the NCAA to pay for medical and related expenses for a student-athlete.
16-5: Would change all Bylaw 16 references to a student-athlete’s spouse, parents, family members or children to “family member,” establish a specific definition of “family member,” and permit specified benefits to such individuals
16-6: Would allow institutions to provide reasonable entertainment in conjunction with competition or practice.
16-7: Would allow schools to provide actual and necessary expenses to student-athletes representing the institution in practice and competition (including expenses for activities/travel that are incidental to practice or competition) as well as in noncompetitive events like goodwill tours and media appearances.
16-8: Would allow student-athletes to receive actual and necessary expenses and “reasonable benefits” associated with a national team practice and competition. The proposal would also allow institutions to pay for any number of national team tryouts and championship events.
SOURCE: NCAA.org.
I’m not sure you know what “rich get richer” means. Where do you get that idea?
This looks like they’re trying to do the same they failed to do in hoops… cut out the street agents. It actually gives lesser schools more opportunity. Where the hell did you hear the rich would thrive on this plan?
World Wide Wes attends one or two Montverde games in the last month, and Dakari Johnson commits to UK?
Yeah… ok.
I’ll buy that about as much as I buy Jabari Brown Leaving Nikegon because he “didn’t want to work”… because Mizzou is so well known for never working.
Hmmm… shoe companies have been mentioned.
No… really… shoe companies are the devil within.
I’m not kidding.
Read about WWW and the Pump Brothers.
In fact, find yourselves the wide open stories about the Pumps guaranteeing Oregon State failure after Bobby D failed to hire them as “coaching search consultants.”
The reason most schools hire actual consultants now? It’s because crooks like these shoe shovers will find any crack.
I’m guessing most of you here are not familiar with hoops recruiting of the last decade… or two… or six.
If you think Kentucky has a legitimate recruiting class in the history of recruiting classes, then you’re about as successful a coach and person as Billy Gillespie.
And I’m just talking about Kentucky. If there was ever a poster child for vacating 70% of your historical wins, they would be… well… they are the poster child.
Rule 11-4, would eliminate rules related to the number of coaches who can recruit off campus at any time. Think about this one. Oregon, with their NIKE money behind them, could afford to send 10 coaches to recruit a region while another school with smaller recruiting budget sends three.
Rule 13-3 will likely be brutal on the athlete, from what I reading from various articles a top athlete right now receives about 30 phone calls and 50 text message daily. Think how much they will get with restrictions removed.
Removed restrictions will also means increased pressure to allot more time to constantly in contact with a recruit. If you are not constantly in touch with a recruit, another school fills up that timeslot so to speak
Come on man….
Understand at least part of the equation.
The current rule says that only seven of the nine full time coaches can be on the road at the same time. If another gazillion creeps are calling these little boys too many times in the middle of the night, I’m sure they can cull the worst.
If you can’t manage a bunch of old men wanting you in the worst way, then you’ll be very good at applying for jobs in your senior year of college.
I am onboard with this move Bray, seemed to be great, and held players accountable in practice, if you didn’t execute you didn’t get in the game. Meanwhile, Locey did nothing! The TE’s production has been average, the either can’t catch or can’t block. Plus, he couldn’t recruit, we have not gotten one good high profile recruit from the state, and if we lose Kearsley, which it looks like we will. I don’t expect all the top in-state recruits, but half is necessary. I think Bray will be a great recruiter he was coming on as a recruiter at Asu. I am glad this was done now, and that he can hit the trail immediately. I don’t know if he save any or solidify some, but I feel comfortable with him on the trail, hopefully he can have an immediate impact.
Hearing that Jermel Walker will not make it in because of grades, so it will be interesting to see if thay pull the schollie or just sign him, and let him go to JC and see how he goes? The latter probably the most likely.
Riley usually has a grey shirt track. Some of these kids can go back to HS for the next term and get their grades up in order to come in next year this time.
I do not find this to be dishonorable. I like that academics are an emphasis in this path. I think it would be easier to shuffle kids off to JUCO and tell them we’ll be there in a couple years.
Sorry guys but this was not proactive nor can it be described as a move. Proactive is when you do something completely new. This is shuffling and stalling. All the same characters are involved, with chairs rearranged. This is more like slight of hand magic. Now I do applaud keeping Bray. But even if recruiting improves, you are essentially recruiting to a stale and stagnant system at this point if the OC stays. Does he ever teach qbs how to escape or avoid pressure? Tom Brady is slow as molasses but almost never gets sacked. By the way, I do not think that I have heard much about recruiting intelligence or measuring and recruiting smart kids.
It is proactive.
I get the negative shit as much as the next guy, but come on. ‘Promoting’ the lead assistant coach to a front office gig so you can keep an up and coming LB coach? How much more proactive does it get?
Seeing twitter chatter that Chip Kelly is now the Eagles coach and no longer staying at Oregon. Anybody have confirmation?
Seeing as ESPN is slow to the game and very rarely reports speculation, I’ll take this as being a done deal.
It’s a beautiful thing. Can’t wait to see the tears and the decommits.
kerry eggers ?@kerryeggers
Chip Kelly had a team meeting this morning to tell his players he is leavng for Phildelphia.
It’s originating with Chris Mortensen’s twitter account and has been spreading like wild fire in the last hour. If untrue, at least it will have been yet another swing in emotions for Duck fan. Although with all of the news carriers retweeting this, it’s looking pretty legit.
Chris Mortensen ?@mortreport
Chip Kelly is the new coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, according to league sources. No announcement yet.
?@GregBiggins
@BillBankGreene: Kyle Kempt sets official visit. http://recruiting.scout.com/2/1258216.html ” Checking out the PAC 12, liked his senior film a lot
Apparently there was a manzier clause written into his contract. He must wear it at all public speaking events, so you may not get to see them.
Anybody know if the “important one” is Harlow? or somebody else?
Mike Riley ?@Coach_Riley
Another day in LA, really important one tonight with @CoachCavOSU , we’re building the future of #BeaverNation! #GoBeavs
This is a little encouraging – he apparently has OSU as his leader:
Kind of interesting in summarizing Kelly’s accomplishments, they don’t even mention Kelly never lost a CW as a head coach, a CW series that had been a rubber match for 10 years before OSU won it twice and then UO dominated since.
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2013/01/chip_kelly_leaves_oregon_ducks.html#incart_river
I honestly think this hurts the PAC12. Him staying has really forced the PAC12 into an arms race. Think Rodriguez or Leach or Dykes would have been hired if Kelly hadn’t done what he’s done?
In this crazy world of college football, never ever stop to celebrate when your competition stumbles, just pass them by and get further and further ahead.
Rumor in twin cities is that OSU commit Brandon Arnold is going to take a visit here. Know anything about that Beaverkman?
To reduce any negative perceptions about Kelly’s ethics, pending NCAA penalties, and to reenforce UO’s commitment to integrity, UO AD Kilkenny announced UO has hired Lance Armstrong as head coach of the Ducks.
“Lance has less experience at the DI level than Kelly did, but like Chip, he knows what it takes to win” said Kilkenny. “We anticipate our student-athletes will train rigorously and enjoyed sustained success. We’re shooting for seven Pac-12 titles in a row!” said Kilkenny, as he handed out yellow, “Live The Day” and “Win Strong” bracelets to reporters.
Oprah Winfrey supported the hire, and said she, UO, and Nike were working on joint ownership and marketing of the “O.”
Why does the Oregonian have this headline about a coach that is constantly being surveyed about sanctions?
With what we always hear about how much Chip loved his staff at Oregon, gotta wonder if he decides to take any of them with him? Some of those guys probably wouldn’t mind an NFL paycheck either.
I would figure that head coach would be a better spot than OC in the NFL, but I did hear that part of the package Kelly strong-armed from Philly was a huge allowance for staff salaries. Coaches that move up to the big leagues almost always take a large number of their staff with them. He could strip the cupboard pretty bare when pickings are slim after most colleges already filled their coaching position. Losing coordinators at this juncture would have an even more detrimental impact to the recruiting…
I really like that they’ll have to interview their token minority coaching candidate somewhere between MLK day and Black History Month.
Oregon AD said “We have a number of internal candidates… we’ve got several coaches on our staff who have the experience and background to be head coaches…but we will also talk to others outside of the program.” That seals it, Mark Banker is the new head coach of the U of O. Pettibone, you got that resume polished up? Mark will need a top notch OC.
I can dream can’t I?
I am hearing that JC DE 3star Lyndon Tulimasealii has committed to the Beavs. Have not seen anything official but a buddy with Blitz access said Angie is reporting it.
Here’s his profile page
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/171843/lyndon-tulimasealii
Riley considering Keaton Kristich and Dorian Smith for grad assistant positions.
new commit?
@Coach_Riley
Have a great weekend #BeaverNation! It’s a great day to be a Beaver! #GoBeavs2013
@2HunterJarmon2
Gonna be a Beaver next year! Couldn’t be more excited about Oregon State University! #BeaverNation pic.twitter.com/moMNLMGJ
Beaver prospects taking OV’s this weekend:
LJ Moore, Cameron Judge (ucla), Keishawn Bierria ASU
Brayden Kearsley BYU
A little more info on the Skylar Phillips scholarship pull. Reconfirms my initial thoughts that for the Beavs to do this, they must know they have a more talented commit (kearsley?) lined up at the same position. Grades dont appear to be an issue.
http://www.northwestprepreport.com/osu-chooses-to-not-honor-scholarship-for-top-local-linemen
That is an interesting article. I had heard from others that the coaches wanted him to lose some weight and he was not able to do that so they parted ways. Now, that could be pure speculation because I have no supporting documentation to that fact. But it would seem logical. You got to wonder why he didn’t have any other offers? Even still because he is so raw you wonder if they think he should go JC and lose some weight and work on his skills then come back?
Was the article written by his uncle? Makes him sound like the second coming of Orlando Pace! If the speed is for real (which would only improve with some weight loss), it does give me pause since he’s only been playing for two years. It seems like the Beav coaches are clearly saying he’s not worth any investment at all. Although, with some of the linebackers who have seen the field in the last four years I’m not totally confident in their talent assessments..
Leslie Robinson is, according to the sports pages and recruiting sites, a top high school basketball player at Corvallis High School, graduating in 2014. I would be surprised if she opted to stay at OSU and would, instead, go to a higher profile program, probably somewhere in the east. Avery Robinson is already in the east and we all know that CR’s mother, sister and her family, are in DC. CR can gracefully exit, OSU will be off the hook, maybe BDC will have retired and there can be a real shakeup in the department.
That talented UCLA team we were all raving about while they were putting a clinic on our lowly Beavs is being made to look fairly pedestrian against the Ducks. While watching that game I realized it is not a talent issue at all, I think Collier and Moreland could both easily step into the Ducks starting lineup. So what is it? Guard play, coaching, attitude/mindset, all of the above?
A Keishawn Bierria signing would help that matter. Would love to have had Ragin, but we have blown any chance at a In-state recruit. Thank god Locey can’t recruit anymore.
Angry, with respect, I think you may be wrong. Greer may prove to be bad. He may prove to be merely ok. He has the potential to be the best Beaver linebacker ever. He can tackle. He can cover. He can run. This is well worth the gamble…even if he does not totally pan out. However, he will not be an instant star. Give this kid time to mature and he can be great.
Brayden Kearsley55 ?@BK55_ERA
BYU as always treated me amazing, but damn it feels good to be home! #HomeSweetHome