19.Dec.2014 State of the AngryBeavs Address

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A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” — Max Planck

It’s fascinating that on Blitz, Pure Orange, etc, it is suddenly considered Kosher to rip on Mike Riley. Now that he’s gone, now that we don’t have to protect Corvallis’ prodigal son, now that he’s bailed twice, now that it seems we have a coach with more upside…only  now is it okay to admit Riley wasn’t the best we could do. Now the Pollyannas rip Riley. On blitz they are making fun of the Nebraska weather, making fun of Riley riding his bike in that weather, etc. We would never see this just months ago even when Riley was stinking up the joint, and we certainly wouldn’t see it had he stayed on as coach. There would be grumblings, but not outright mockery. The paradigm has changed.

What I’d like to know: why now? Why is it okay now that he’s gone? This alone is worth discussing for days. It’s fascinating. Nobody has once showed up here to say, “ABs, you guys were right.” yet they all act jubilant and arrogant to the point of mocking the old coach. Pent up aggression much?

Regarding angrybeavs, we had a Max Planck moment. Truth triumphed. We never convinced the opponents to see the light (at least not that we know of), they either died or saw it on their own. The new generation has high expectations. This is essentially the mechanism of a paradigm shift. Now the media needs to wake up to the facts.

So people are wondering, what will we discuss now that Riley is gone, all programs appear on course, etc.

Well, nothing is ever perfect, and if it is, we need to maintain it. In short, we’ll be discussing anything that is a non-truth, that is performing below standards, could be done better, etc. Yes, Riley provided great material for a blog like this, but if there’s less to nitpick then that’s good. It means we did our job, and we’ll now refine our art with a blade rather than take a wrecking ball to it like we did in the past. Now there’s always the chance Tinkle is a fraud and Andersen stinks up the joint, at which point we’ll get all over that, but right now things seem about as good as they can be at this juncture (I joked we’re all in therapy over it, but every joke is half true…I think we’re all rearranging our minds and expectations over the past few weeks). After all this settles we’ll know what needs to be discussed and harped on. Right now it’s the stale media narrative. So keep eyes peeled for articles like that. Email them to me. I will rip them and their ignorant authors to shreds.

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  • carltogr carltogr says:
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    Remember….God works in mysterious ways….

  • Bill says:
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    I equate it to a girlfriend dumping them. Everything’s seemingly great and then boom, they get blindsided. So to make up for the loss, they start ripping on that person.

    • angry angry says:
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      I think there’s something to that. Jilted lover syndrome?
      And on the flip side, notice I haven’t ripped on Riley at all since he left. We at AB are like the girlfriend who did the dumping. We’re just focused on what’s next and how the future will be better. I never had any personal issue with Riley (until that rape story at least), so I could care less about taking jabs at him now.

      What is interesting is how everyone conspired to protect the Corvallis guy. The media is still doing it. It’s a bit disturbing…but I think most of these people on blitz and PO loved him because he was one of them, and then when he bailed, “oh he really wasn’t one of us let’s rip him”. Screw that nonsense. Grown men thinking this way? Highly disturbing and embarrassing behavior.

      • wannabeav says:
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        “protect the Corvallis guy”–which is richly ironic because in order to do it they had to smash the institution and the community. sort of like burning down a village in Vietnam in order to save it

      • mckalk says:
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        I confess…I have ripped Riley…I like a little overkill now and then.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          ….and our Riley worked hard for those rippings. He definitely earned them….

      • cj cj says:
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        Grandma always said, “If you can’t say something nice … “.

        But she didn’t know anything about AB!

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    My expectations have not changed. From the beginning I’ve expected a team that works hard, prioritizes defense, and plays hard for the entire game regardless of sport. Wins and losses come and go, but as long as the programs as being run the right way, I couldn’t care less. I want to be proud of the coaches and players that represent our University.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    We need to be vigilant with the media. I’ll be sure to send links your way. Thanks for keeping the fire burning, Angry.

    • Issaquahbeav says:
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      Who ever was announcing the OSU/DePaul game needs to be ripped. Bashing Corvallis left and right saying how there’s no Ritz Carlton here and how hotel rooms haven’t changed since 1975. They were also yucking it up by saying how they need to quicken up the game so they can make the drive back to Portland

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Also, I feel like the tone in Beaverblitz changed partially because they added a ton of new temporary subscribers recently with that “free” promotion they’re running. It’s helped to change the viewpoints in their forums, which may be trickling down to pure orange.
    Also, sortof like when an ex-girlfriend dumps you, it’s common to trash her in front of your friends. “she was a bitch anyway…”

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Sorry Bill, didn’t read your post until after I submitted mine. totally agree.

    • angry angry says:
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      That’s a great point. That promotion even got a bunch of ABs over there, so maybe I am reading their posts instead of the old guard. But in the past, those people would be banned (trust me, I was one of them and went through half a dozen, if not more, bans). They had zero patience for ripping on Corvallis’ prodigal son.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        We all need to make sure we deactivate those accounts before they start charging us. I’ll hang out and use it a little longer, but really I don’t learn anything over there that doesn’t come out first here.

        Angie pissed me off I alerted her to our first commit 2 nights ago. She then took that info and created her own forum thread as if she was scooping the information. If that’s really what people are paying for, then it’s really not worth it. That information I found easily on twitter 10 hours before she posted anything. When I called her out for it, she ignored both of my messages to her. She’s even taken information I tweeted to her and the next day, put out her own post citing an “anonymous source” told her. Would it really be that difficult for her to say “a reader sent me this info”?

        https://oregonstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1248&tid=177454367&mid=177454367&sid=1051&style=2

        • scotty says:
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          I just cancelled my trial so I wouldn’t forget later. It was actually pretty painless and only took me about 5 minutes. Beaverblitz isn’t bad, but I can’t justify the price.

  • helmsley says:
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    Even positive comments take on an anti- Corvallis spin. Tara Lawson (wbb guru) tweets SR not that he’s turned around the OSU women’s bb program, but that he is changing the “culture in Corvallis.”

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      So if the media says he’s changing the culture does that mean they’ll stop all the Corvallis-bashing now? All fixed in their eyes, right?

      (jk I know the answer is no)

    • thatguy says:
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      He did, there wasn’t a championship culture and now there is. You’re reaching a tad and I don’t think Lawson was bashing Corvallis, but before Rueck the state of the program was dookiewater.

      • Jack says:
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        Agreed.

        The way Spoelstra was treated followed by the train wreck that was Wagner just killed the program. Scott may have had a blank canvas with which to work (and facilities underway) once he got here, but there is no denying he’s an artist of the highest degree.

      • helmsley says:
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        my point was – she didn’t say the basketball program or mention what a mess the program was – she enveloped the individual OSU NCAA wbb Div I program into Corvallis culture (whatever that is). The second point is that the notion is dogma – OSU & Corvallis are second-rate, so when something good happens, it’s some sort of a miracle. You are right, however, I am reaching – seem to be a little paranoid on the subject. I’ll mention in my therapy session.

    • whatever says:
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      To be fair, she means the toxic environment created by LaVonda. And it was toxic.

  • wannabeav says:
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    Great post, Angry; one of your best ever. T. S. Kuhn’s essay on scientific revolutions and paradigm shifts is one of the most influential treatises in the last half century. Where else but Angrybeavs.com can you find such a profound juxtaposition of philosophical theory and football!

  • BeaverMike says:
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    I have to admit that I was pro Riley till this season. Thought we could not recruit to Corvallis or get a better coach. After the recent string of bad performances, my enthusiasm was waning. I did not have the balls to openly criticize him before his exit. However, when he left, I found myself relieved and not upset. I was concerned over the quality of his replacement-but that is no longer an issue. So now I am prepared to say it-screw Riley-hope you fail in Nebraska, glad the assistants are gone, and you will never get the chance to leave Oregon State again. Hope your bike slides on the ice and the summer humidity makes you stink. Ok, that was therapeutic and I feel like I really belong on this site now.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      BeaverMike, it’s ok. It’s not your fault…..

    • wannabeav says:
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      welcome aboard. As the saying goes over here we’re “on the right side of history.”

    • angry angry says:
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      Since you were one of those guys, some questions:

      1. Why didn’t you have the balls to openly criticize him? Did you actually believe he was the right guy? Did you not believe he was right, yet fell into the narrative? Etc? Give reasons. We want to know that mindset. Or at least I do.

      2. Why hope he fails at Nebraska? That’s something we at AB would want just to support our theory that he wasn’t a great coach. But why would someone who did believe he was good want him to fail? Are you feeling burned he left again?

      Give us more insight. Did you post on Blitz? What is the issue over there with protecting Riley? Did they truly buy into he was the best we could do, or was it brainwashing, was it just that he was a Corvallis guy who they wanted to support him? Etc.

      • BeaverMike says:
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        I became a fan at about the time Dee Andros was failing. Suffered through 25 years of hell. Riley offered hope and actually had some early success. I was slow to come to the realization that Riley was not keeping up with the changes and improvements in the Pac 12. It was like the ugly guy that is slow to dump his girlfriend because he may not get another one for a long time. So I hung onto Riley and was slow to realize that his time had past. Once I realized my error, I was embarrassed to come back on this forum because I had actually defended Riley in several posts. I want him to fail because I hold some animosity for him leaving Oregon State twice-even though the second time was actually a favor. All of those times he was saying Oregon State is my dream job and I am here for life, blah, blah, blah. In other words, two faced. His failure at Nebraska would also justify the rationale that we needed a coaching change and Riley’s prime has come to an end. I realize that some may state that Riley never had a prime. I have never posted on Blitz and I am not trying to blow with the wind with my change of heart. This last year was just pathetic and I was finally agreeing with Angry’s point of view-before the coaching change. Just took me a long time to get there. Really excited about Anderson and feel we have a good chance to be competitive. Ditto on Tinkle.

        • mckalk says:
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          Riley has already failed at Nebraska…..two words….actually three…Urban Fucking Meyer.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            I was thinking the three words would be ‘Banker and Read.’

          • mckalk says:
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            I’m thinking that even if they win the fairly weak western division on occassion they will never beat Ohio St. You think Beaver fans had unrealistic expectations? Welcome to pressure St.Riley.

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            Remember when urban Meyer covered riley’s Wisconsin game in Madison and was laughing at silly mistakes Riley was making and the katz-mannion debacle?

          • StarcraftSquall says:
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            We didn’t know what the heck he was doing either, how confused do you think a neutral announcer was? It didn’t matter ultimately, there was a QB named Russell Wilson playing for Wisconsin…

        • cj cj says:
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          It doesn’t matter if he fails, the fact was that we needed a coaching change!

    • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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      Welcome aboard!

  • PdX says:
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    I was listening to Canzano today and he had that tool Aaron Fentress on his show talking about what team/program had the most hope going forward in the state or some bs. This included the blazers, ducks, beavers, PSU, etc.

    Aaron then went into a rant about how he doesn’t get the Andersen hire, it makes no sense, and he is not proven and will not be a success and people need to wake up.

    He then went on to say that the Ducks winning the championship would be bigger to the state than the Blazers winning a championship. Even Canzano clowned him for that thought saying that Duck fans only make up so much of the population, there are still a lot of Beaver fans and fans of other teams, but fans of all those teams and the whole state roots for the Blazers.

    Fenny cannot get his nose far enough up Phil Knights ass.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      What a dick…glad I don’t listen to Canzano’s show anymore

    • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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      Fentress is the fucking worst one.

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      That Fentress is ranting about Andersen is a good sign. Means some Duck fans are worried about the hire.

    • OSU-Beaver-Fan says:
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      I never heard of this guy until today, so he isn’t that big a deal. He is like Obama fanboys, just keep saying how great your guy/team is. Facts don’t matter. I am a Beaver Fan, I support all sports, I quit going to games because of the negative beaver fans. The Bible says Life and Death is in the Power of the Tongue. Beaver fans speak Death. So anything, any hire, any win that gets Beaver Fans thinking and Talking Positive has to help. Their hatred of the program didn’t help. People hate the AD he makes a few good hires and the Death by Hanging chants aren’t as loud. I believe Corvallis can get 4&5 star recruits. I believe. I had no control over Who the coaches were but am thankful for the change. Will it really change the attitude, If Not I Think Ed Ray may be kicking some serious Ass. OSU isn’t al little sister to anyone. Go Beav’s @OSU_Sports_Fan

  • wannabeav says:
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    got a kick out of Andersen’s comment that he slowed up in his search for defensive coaches because he realized he needed guys who could defend against the spread. Amazing–it took him a mere six days to discern what Riley failed to do in half a decade.

    Andersen’s interview with Mike Parker was good. The guy is so goal-oriented. talk about paradigm shift.

    • Bill says:
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      I don’t think that Riley failed to discern that. I think that his friendship to Banker was a greater value to him. A fault that many of us have with our friends. But then again, tens of thousands of people aren’t judging our performance.

      Andersen is more of a modern coach. It seems like he runs his teams more like a corporate business. He has no specific attachments to people. So he will hire and fire people based on performance like a corporation. That was of thinking resonates with people today who value pay based on performance.

      Riley ran his program like a family business. When things go bad or there’s a change, Riley believed in his family guys to overcome their faults. That way of thinking now has all but disappeared in today’s world.

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        That way of thinking resonates with people today who value pay based on performance.

      • OSU-Beaver-Fan says:
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        Love the Andersen Hire, but he is sticking close to home with all the ex-UTAH hires. I expect to see Utah’s Defensive Coach moving to the Staff after Bowl Game.

      • BeaverMike says:
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        Very good analogy.

  • cj cj says:
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    Who cares? It’s old business…time to get on with the new!!!

    Go Andersen. Go Beavs!

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Is it just me, or do other people think Andersen should’ve taken a recruiting trip by now?

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      He can’t until after the dead period, which started last Sunday night. And the 2 days before that he had 2 visitors on campus. (Fifita and Kafentzis)

  • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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    I think it’s important to remember that 5 years ago the trajectory of the program seemed to be up. Bowl games 6 of 7 previous years, in the running for the Rose Bowl two straight years. It seemed like the program was going to make it to the next level off the foundation of that success.

    Obviously that didn’t happen.

    I think the criticism slowly built up over the past five years and the critics had some concrete things to point out like the losses to FCS teams, pummelings by WSU and UW. Compliment that with the ascension of Oregon since 2010 and you’ve got a recipe for an angry fanbase.

    • Jack says:
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      Everything is here to see–5+ years of posts.

      • angry angry says:
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        Yeah I am amazed how many people are either new or have never read the old posts. Makes me wonder if people even read them.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Hey angry is there a way to keyword search the old posts? I may be missing it.

          • angry angry says:
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            Under “pages” on the right side, type whatever you want into the search box.

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      Not coincidentally, 5 years ago was when Riley got his contract extended (lifetime edition). IMO that was a game changer. I see three separate and distinct components of the Riley era:

      Riley I: Took a bad program to the next level. Won some games, inspired fan base and players. Built a good foundation. Very good performance. This period bought Riley most of his credibility for the decade to come.

      Riley II (pre contract): Pretty decent coach. Some flaws, but teams were always competitive and generally good for 7-9 wins. High floor, relatively low ceiling.

      Riley II (post contract): Motivation gone. He coached like a guy with a lifetime contract, and coaching appeared to decline every year. He was mailing it in. Doing less and less of the unpleasant stuff (like dealing with underperforming assistants).

      I’ll say that this is fundamentally a BDC problem, not a Riley problem. It is a truism that people respond to incentives. That lifetime contract was a joke, and created all the wrong incentives. Over time, those incentives affected his behavior and made him worse and worse. Being the HC of a D1 football program is a incredibly strenuous job. Anything less than 100% is guaranteed to be a sub-par result.

      Any coach (any person!) would behave in this way, it’s just a question of how long it takes and how steep the decline is. It’s how we’re wired.

      That lifetime contract was an absolute albatross. Hope we learned our lesson. Coaches’ contracts should be 3-5 years. Extensions only for extraordinary accomplishments (eg National champ).

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        Let’s not forget either that Mike Riley II also had personal issues such as the passing of his father, and impregnation of his daughter by one of his players. Combine that with donated kidneys and the family business he was running had found the perfect storm.

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        I’m not sure what “next level” Riley I got us to. Any inkling of a foundation had to appear to be built because the team was being changed over from an option to a pro-set.

        That doesn’t mitigate the fact that Riley’s recruits were the least of the recruits involved in what actually took the Beavs to the next level… a winning season followed by a major bowl (and a win in that bowl to boot).

        This is a part of the crap narrative that has always bothered me. Before Riley ditched us the first time his whole OSU tenure was a part of the 28 years. Either it’s 26 years plus Riley, or it’s 28 years. They’re both the same in my book. But they are not the same for the Rileyites.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Exactly. These guys like to look back with rosy glasses like Riley went 12-0 in his first season. He has contributed plenty of losing records to OSU , including participating in the “streak”.

      • angry angry says:
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        Agree with most of that, especially that people respond to incentive and the lifetime contract ended Riley at osu.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      No, in fact it did not “seem to be up”. Riley was digging out enough wins to challenge for the title a couple times, but was not seen as that strong going into a season, and definitely was not regarded as headed toward what UO is now.

      What Riley WAS doing, was maintaining a bowl presence most years. The recipe for an angry fanbase was the moronic losses and moronic game management that began at that time and became the norm. Riley apologies now are going to fall on deaf ears. He has even shown himself to not be of the high character he verbally espoused. Not loyal, not valuing continuity, not family oriented, etc. He really lucked out with that weird Nebraska job….

  • HireMattWells says:
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    Eggers protected Riley and tolerated a culture if mediocrity as usual at OSU with a higher end being a special rare treat. He also tried to sell old OSC gear he took for free for profit. At the Andersen press conference he looked confused without automatic special access to his buddy.

    His last article was pretty good all in all but I need to see more of the good Eggers over the next year before I forgive. Now he is forced to use more jounalistic principles and I think it will be more straightforward and not disguised apologetic like most of his writings during Riley’s slumps.

    Only Gina is on my good list with Connor on my lucky to get a pass list and Eggers on my “Show Me” list. Goe and Schnell may start changing the narrative to try to be accepted but their writings have been blatant for years in defending Riley and blaming Corvallis.

    Casey, Tinkle, Rueck and soon Andersen prove that is blatantly inaccurate and high watermarks can be reached and even with consistency will motivated and highly involved coaches with innate and developed talent.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      It was always blatantly inaccurate, and really just media bullshit. It was proved everytime in the past when a coach came and HAD success. Face it, the media has to have SOMETHING to talk about, and the more difficut something was actually analysing and criticizing Riley. Thinking is always harder than just parroting.

    • mckalk says:
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      Eggers was a Riley apologist in the end, but he was one of the first to call bullshit on CR.

      • alex says:
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        Just because Eggers thought Riley was the right guy for the job doesn’t make him a bad journalist or an example of bad or lazy media.

        I can (and do) disagree with him but still respect his journalistic acumen. His pieces were pretty factual, well thought out, and rarely or never ragged on Corvallis. He even came forward in the efforts of full disclosure and admitted that his opinion may be biased by his friendship and history with Riley.

        An opposing opinion does not make someone a “bad” journalist. It’s how they express that opinion that counts. And I think Eggers did an admirable job at that.

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          He sometimes was privy to better information because of his friendship with Riley and he did write more in depth stories than the Oregonian hacks. There would be some who would say he probably shouldn’t have even covered OSU football because of his friendship, but with the rinky dink paper he works for I suppose their options were limited. He did put forth the opinion that OSU could not do better than Riley and for that AB should hold him accountable.

          I don’t put Canzano on the list because he said he couldn’t see how you fire Riley with his contract, but he then said enough was enough with his DC/OC after this season.

      • angry angry says:
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        Eggers was completely biased with Riley, but Riley is gone now, and Eggers seems on top of his game. He is old school and a good writer, too. Even with Riley he’d sometimes ask difficult questions…the problem was you knew they probably rehearsed the answers over Thanksgiving dinner.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    I think you guys have solved the sudden deficit of coaches to rag on…… THE MEDIA!!

    And there is always our good buddies in need, just down the road to the south…..yes, our Ucks! I cant imagine them letting us down in our time of such need for stuff to slam….

    But mainly, … so what if the analysis one is used to seeing on here, turns from what has gone to hell in a game, to what is working right….

    and hey, there is always SOMETHING wrong. Just change the name to angrynitpickingbeavs….

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    Posted on the DePaul thread, Rueck ejected in first half.

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    Rueck ejected in first half after getting double techs arguing about an iffy tech on Hunter. Was listening on the radio, but it didn’t sound like Rueck deserved the Ts. Chatterton is coaching the team with Rueck in the back. Beavs starting to pull away with 5 mins left in the 2nd half.

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      Postgame, Chatterton says he has never seen such a thin skinned official.

  • cj cj says:
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    Looks like no one is reporting the Lady Beavs game tonight…

  • nexus73 says:
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    The best revenge is living well. I expect many of us who aren’t in the PO/Blitz camp will be happy campers for a while since the curve is trending up in hoops right now and the pigskin front offers promise. Will we win a national title in football or basketball in the next five years? I’m not expecting it from either new HC but I do believe we will see better efforts so losses to outmanned teams (think Sac State and so on) don’t take place plus we will get the usual “upset a ranked team” in both sports.

    Look for more happiness instead of sunshine being pumped up our wazoos by the Pollyanna and propagandist factions because we will either win or at least be competitive.

  • HireMattWells says:
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    Good interview with guy who did thesis on Andersen’s transformational organizational change at Utah State:

    https://m.soundcloud.com/marques-chavez/joe-beaver-show-interview

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      It’s 54 pages, and you can’t just read it?

      Suddenly this interview makes sense.

  • Jack says:
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    Is it funny to anyone else that we now have a coach who is an Utah alum… a school where they have a coach who is a BYU alum… a school where they have a coach who is an OSU alum?

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      That invisible dude in the sky (aka the Great Beaver) does indeed work in mysterious ways….

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        Yes… him and some ADs and some HR departments.

        Question: Why is the imaginary sky dude always a dude? Wouldn’t he be more all-encompassing and closer to perfect if he was an it… and it was gender non-specific… kinda like Pat?

        I know the answer is that all mythologies are patriarchal power grabs, and they will always be that way. Elmer Gantry comes in many many forms.

        But I just find it interesting that the subjugation of more than half our population is seen as necessary and even written into some of the myths themselves. I also find it interesting that any woman (and most men) is dumb enough to voluntarily subjugate themselves in such a way just for some false self groupthink.

        However, I do believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is an imaginary deity thought up by an OSU alum. So if I had to choose one I’d go with it.

        Truly a mysterious (and misogynist) thing.

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          The news story of the Canadian being denied his driver license due to the Flying Spaghetti Monster religion is hilarious!

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            Almost certain the little girl in True Detective with Woody Harrelson and Mathew McCaunahey call the bad guy the ‘Spaghetti Monster.’

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          So…. yer talkin about a trans-gender god, or just a cross dressing diety? ….interesting concept.

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            Sure…. we’ll call it All Uh.

            I have a feeling some cults might not like depictions or renderings of All Uh. But just wait until the other cults hear about its ambiguously bred offspring, Hey Zeus.

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            All hail … All Uh!!

            Yes, for offspring, bring on the Immaculate … adoptions!

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      Whittingham is a byu alum? I didn’t know that. Him beating byu all those times is like rich Brooks beating us I guess.

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        If I remember correctly Whittingham had his choice between BYU and Utah for the head coach job and picked Utah. He was a hard hitting linebacker for BYU back in the day.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    I’m calling it now. Quote me on this one folks. Our Lady Beavs will win the Pac-12 regular season title. They do not play the bay area teams on the road. Only at Gill. That will be the difference.

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    Brasfield is still in the directory. Anyone think he sticks? Personally I like him and appreciate the work he’s been putting in Tehas, wouldn’t mind if he stays on staff.

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      I thought it was reported that Brennan would be the only old assistant staying on.

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        That is what’s been reported. However, Gary Anderson’s new staff that’s been hired (including Brennan) are in the directory as OSU employees, and all previous coaches accept for Brasfield have been removed. So it’s either an oversight or maybe he’s still in the fold.

  • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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    A bit off-topic, but I thought you guys would get a kick out of this:

    http://imgur.com/h7kEIAZ
    http://imgur.com/ugTutxb

    At a funeral home yesterday and happened to see those gems. I’m not sure if they could license the use of that logo in any worse application. Heh

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      That’s just wrong. There must be a demand for it too

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      Wonder if they have John Deere for my dad. Would be great Christmas gift.

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    Starting my scouting of DCs at 11:20am on ESPN with Utat St vs UTEP to watch Todd Orlando then at 12:30 will also start checking out Sitake in Utah vs CSU.

  • HireMattWells says:
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    Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez confirms Chad Kauha’aha’a (DL) and TJ Woods (OL) will be joining Andersen at OSU after Badgers bowl game.

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      Barry Alvarez confirms that he is actually the coach of the Wisconsin Badgers…..always has been, always will be!

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    Been really starting away from OLive but just wanted to let Angry know it seems Goe has taken a direct shot at the angry beavs site.

    Calling this site and possibly others a “cottage industry”.

    Goe is a no talent jerk. In his perfect world Riley would still be here. Maybe we can all pitch in and buy him a one way ticket to Lincoln.

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      That’s supposed to be an insult? Especially while the Oregonian is downsizing and selling off their buildings?

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      Here’s what Goe wrote, btw. I don’t think calling it a cottage indutry is an insult. But his implication that critics of Riley are harming the program is a shot at this site.

      “The Oregonian’s Jason Quick has a very nice piece out on Oregon coach Mark Helfrich.

      Here is Quick’s story, in which he recounts the way Helfrich got his team refocused and headed in the right direction after the Ducks were upset at home this season by Arizona.

      In the process, Quick writes, Helfrich silenced the doubters who wondered whether he was just riding Chip Kelly’s coattails.

      The doubts came, of course, because Helfrich never had been a head coach before. He is the latest in a series of UO coaches promoted from within to the top job.

      In fact, the last Oregon coach to be hired from outside was Rich Brooks in 1977. He handed off to Mike Bellotti, who handed off to Kelly, who handed off to Helfrich.

      Bellotti is the only member of that group to have had previous head-coaching experience, and Bellotti’s came at the Division II level.

      The unbroken string of coaching continuity gets much of the credit for building Oregon’s program into the powerhouse it has become today

      Contrast that to Oregon State. In that same period, Oregon State has had seven head coaches, counting new hire Gary Andersen. All were brought in from outside. Mike Riley was hired twice, once prior to the 1997 season when he was USC’s offensive coordinator, and once prior to 2003 when he was secondary coach of the New Orleans Saints.

      Riley’s critics loudly contend he stayed too long the second time. Interestingly, his record at OSU is 93-80, 85-66 in his second stint. Brooks’ record at Oregon is 91-109-4.

      Oregon named the Autzen Stadium playing surface after Brooks. At OSU, there are fan sites that turned faux outrage and attacks on Riley into a cottage industry.

      It makes you wonder whether Brooks would have survived at Oregon in the internet age, and what it would have meant to the Ducks’ unbroken string of coaching continuity if he hadn’t.”

      • WFO WFO says:
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        If Brooks was so great he’d still be the coach you fucking boner.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          And what the Fuck is “faux” outrage?

          Riley was a mediocre coach. His in conference numbers and record vs FCS teams clearly states that.The fact that he took the coaching job at the end of the 28 year slide doesn’t prove shit. Does anybody actually believe that he was the *only* coach in the country that could have brought OSU to 6-6?

          Give me a fucking break.

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        Goe “wonders?” Hell, I didn’t give him that much credit…well technically, he says the reader wonders…but I’m sure he meant to write that and didn’t mean “it makes one wonder..”

        He’s the Riley of the Oregonian, intellectually lazy, and too slow to respond to the change around him.

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        Who gives a fuck what that no talent ass clown says? He looks like an aborted fetus or a naked mole rat.

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        Ok, so if you follow Goe’s logic then Riley hands off the job to Banker or Garrett. He doesn’t even make any fucking sense.????

        Also, didn’t Brooks leave for the pros? Did Belloti get “quietly” pushed out before he was ready? I would still like to see what Helrich does without Mariota or let’s even see how he does against Bama if they make the NC game before I crown him king.

        • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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          Goe doesn’t even know what the fuck he’s talking about

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          Yeah Helfrich could very well be riding the success of Kelly just like Shaw did with Harbaugh. You can see how far Shaw has taken his elite powerhouse… all the way to 7-5.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        First of all, Brooks left to take the St Louis Rams job after his most sucessful season. Bellotti was the OC and it was between him and Aliotti who was the DC. That’s it. When Bellotti was kicked upstairs to AD (pushed aside) Kelly was handed the reins. Kelly had only been the OC since 2007 and was given that job only 2 years later. Kelly hired Helfrich to be his OC in 2009. Four years later CK leaves for the Iggles and Helfrich becomes HC. That article is pure bullshit. Kelly was at Oregon for 6 years total. Helfrich has been there 6 total as well. To paint the picture of that as the “Oregon coaching tree” is nonsense and only a moron would believe that. Brooks and Bellotti deserve to be called just that. But in 2007 Oregon started looking outside “the family”. The only thing that article is to make Goe jizz himself over Fill Knight and the U of O and how great they are. Again. Anyone with half a brain can read between the lines and think for themselves.

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          Yeah, what bullshit. Bellotti was a stubborn old bastard who didn’t want to fully incorporate all of Kelly’s ideas, so instead of firing him the administration gave him a phantom job with incredible perks.. I guess in Goe’s view that’s more honorable then BDC sitting down with Riley and telling him his contract is not longer tenable and his performance needed to improve.

          Damn, Riley leaving is tearing Goe up. Go get a job in Lincoln!

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        I’ll pit my faux rage against Goe’s real stupidity and lazy narratives any day… all day… while I’m asleep… with two arms tied behind my back.

        Never mind that Riley’s assistants were the targets as many as five and six years ago. Never mind those coordinators would have been, and will if ever given the chance, be failures as head coaches… as they were as coordinators. And never mind that those who should have been fired, were it not for Riley’s highly questionable loyalty to them over the school and program for which he coached, did not have the extreme success that string of Duck coaching continuity had, including, but not limited to beating our coordinators like a drum when it counted.

        I’ll await my answer while passed out… or technically in what I can only assume is the same semi-conscious reality in which Goe lives… or must live to have such a half-hearted attempt at logic.

        Isn’t it neat that the stadium in which Nikegon plays football is named after an alum of OSU, as is the field within said stadium?

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      LOL … The fact that Goe acknowledges us means we have power … and he is pissed about it.

      A blog is a cottage industry?!? WOW….you better believe that means it indeed rocks the boat.

      Everyone needs to realize the O is pro Duck, and they REALLY dont like having lost their gimmie coach, come Civil War time. They loved Riley for a reason….

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    Ucla down 41-7 at half vs Kentucky. 7!

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    In other news, how bout them lady beavs? Poor Nevada fans losing their second game in New Orleans in the same day…

    Audio here:
    http://www.osubeavers.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&id=1267978&catid=0&KEY=&DB_OEM_ID=30800

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      Another solid win. Next up is Tennessee on the road. That should be a great test for the Beavers. Tennessee just beat Stanford handily in front of 13,000+ in Tennessee.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Air Force wins the highly coveted bowl of potatoes trophy

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    As crappy as most of the games/opponents are, it always sucks not making a bowl…

    Like, the “Ragin Cajuns” play in a bowl but not us? Lol

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      Hey, don’t rip on the Ragin Cajuns… I’m going to school there right now for my PhD.

      UL is a great school with a strong fan base and a lot of tradition. It’s ridiculous that the city name has to be listed along with the school (i.e., Uni. of Louisiana at Lafayette). UL is by far the second largest state school in Louisiana. The school made a play to officially become the University of Louisiana about a decade ago, but asshole LSU doesn’t like competition and they actually got the state congresscritters to step in and prevent the name change.

      It’s actually a pretty interesting story, and another good reason to hate LSU:
      http://www.angelfire.com/la3/ulragincajuns/battle.html

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        Its a cool name … but what in fact is, a “ragin” cajun? A French descended Lousiana resident just arrested for public drunkenness? …who beats on the wife? … who just did his income tax? ….who’s car wont start in the morning?

      • Jack says:
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        Don’t you mean, “… another good reason to hate LSU A&M?”

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          Jack: Yep, that’s exactly what I meant, thanks!

          I also don’t care much for Leland Stanford Junior University. Juco BS school.

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    Here is desperation on a Saturday night:
    I’m watching the Camellia Bowl. A 6-6 S. Alabama against a 7-6 Bowling Green. Coulda been OSU. Of interest, there appears to be a woman ref. Good to see.

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    Sounds like Penniston believes in Chryst

    KP (@kyle_penniston) tweeted at 6:22 PM on Sat, Dec 20, 2014:
    Just had a GREAT call with Coach Chryst! Couldn’t be more excited to be a Badger & play for him in just a few short weeks!?????????????? #OnWisconsin
    (https://twitter.com/kyle_penniston/status/546490826444898304?s=03)

    Get the official Twitter app at https://twitter.com/download?s=13

    • Homefry Homefry says:
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      I see what you did there…

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      I doubt we end up poaching many of the recruits.

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        I know there was some excitement about getting Badger recruits, but I was a little skeptical just given the geographical differences. No one probably wants to hear this yet, but Andersen is going to have to overcome the perception on the recruiting trail that he is a “job hopper” at first. And I would think his “higher power” references won’t play that well to more perceptive recruits because what if the higher power calls again and he leaves OSU?

        I think we will see more JC recruits as they could care less about continuity. Hopefully, the force of GA’s personality will win over some recruits, but I would be skeptical until he has been here 4 or 5 years. Maybe he tells them privately that he couldn’t work for Alvarez and that’s why he and Bielema left? Most people can relate to shitty bosses.

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          Agree, what if he’s told “my bad, Corvallis wasnt the town I was thinking of…..maybe you should try out Fresno…..”? The media is definitely not letting him get away with leaving Wisconsin without an explanation. I get it though, since I’ve always treated employment situations as a privelage, and think you should never burm your bridges over a disagreement. You never know when you might need to lean on a guy like Alavarez or one of his good buddies down the road. It’s not a good dea to trash your former joss either, because your future boss might see that you could put them in the same spot some day. Either way, the story going out to the fans/recruits/media is thin, but jopefully we can read between the lines and trus Andersen when he says this is where he wants to be.
          I’m hopeful he’ll flip some recruits since Oregon is closer to home than Wisconsin for most. Penniston is from Cali. Kafentzis is from Utah. A few others are from Cali also.

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    It looks like Quinniipiac films all their own sports and streams them live as well as archiving them for future viewing.

    For those interested, there’s some pretty good hockey there.
    http://www.quinnipiacbobcats.com/sports/athletics/2014-15/2014-15_video_archive

    10 AM start.

  • angry angry says:
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    This is really entertaining Tinkle footage

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      Tinkle footage? Hopefully not recorded in a public bathroom.

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        I’ve seen this footage before, but I missed Tinkle’s comment at the end….”we’re in a great place, don’t sell it short”. Is he talking about Corvallis? Damn, even the coaches are aware of and have to battle against the false narrative. The media should be ashamed of themselves.

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          no question in my mind, he’s talking about the “Corvallis stinks” narrative the media put out there as a protective moat around Riley. It’s a media disgrace to be sure, but people who should have known better and put up a defense against it–Mike Parker, Kerry Eggers, even some of Riley’s former players perhaps worst of all, caved when they had a chance to be courageous.

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      What a great motivator. Love this guy.

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      He’s got it. Communication… Fundamental not just to basketball. What if we could all communicate like this at work? Seeing how hard they are working on it there is no doubt it was lacking on court under the Robinson area. 100% faith in Wayne after watching this footage.

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    Interesting game we can all digest. Rako vs Stevie and Ethan in a playoff game last year…playing on Derrick Bruce’s home court.

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    Really enjoying GA’s outlook on schemes. This guy seems to understand you need to change and evolve in offense and defense to be successful.

  • Beav Targets says:
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    Potential coordinator hires ranked on 10 pt scale

    Sitake – 9.5
    Orlando – 8
    McGiven – 7.5
    Baldwin – 2

    Aranda – 8.5 (unlikely)

    Give me Sitake and McGiven and I am very happy. Orlando and McGiven and we are doing pretty good. Want nothing to do with Baldwin from CSU. Was not impressed in their ugly game yesterday. Sitake made Baldwin look like mincemeat.

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      Agree. However, EWU’s Beau Baldwin is a possibility at OC and would be right there with McGiven and not a bad choice. CSU’s interim coach Baldwin is a dud. We better not go there for OC or my faith in Andersen will take a blow.

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        I figure Beau can’t be the favorite or he would have already been hired since EWU’s season ended a while ago.

        I’m not sure I’m down on Dave yet. CSU has a better offense than USU did statistically this year. I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s a dud because CSU looked bad vs. a Pac-12 defense in a bowl game.

        USU looked good against UTEP, sure, but they lost 38-7 vs. Tennessee and 50-19 vs. BSU during the season. I wouldn’t jump to conclusions by judging any coach from just one game. Especially a team that lost their head coach right before the bowl…

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    CSU’s Baldwin might not be horrible but to badly want Sitake as DC and perhaps not get him but Baldwin at OC would be a letdown. I would take both as a package because of how badly I want Sitake.

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    Ya i think u have to consider the talent difference between the two schools. The coaches over achieved at csu. But also that was a poor showing. I really want sitake as well. Hopefully find something out tomorrow.

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    did you guys see machado’s rant? she’s running a confidential section and anyone found emailing or writing on other forums will be blacklisted. the lodge was already confidential so i’m not sure what the difference is.

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      I just made a post about it, but I had to delete it because they claim they’ll prosecute. But what an embarrassment. This is America. Yet they’re locking down control of information that people pay for. That is a losing business model over time. Most people want to talk about sports and the information they pay to receive. Mamma Machado = Totalitarian.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        Wait, the peson I gave free information to(which i found freely on twitter) is taking that information and selling it as her own with no credit for even leading her to said info. Then when people outside the pay service talk about that info, she’s pissed theyre only paying once for it?

        I’d get it if we were copying and pasting full articles and not giving credit to her for writing it, but the fact that she’s guilty of exactly what she’s blindly accusing others of is just a wee bit hypocritical.

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          Exactly. It would be like her paying her “sources” for info, then they tell her she can’t talk about it on Blitz. lol.

          Who are the fools buying that?

          • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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            If the information isn’t good or interesting, then why would people have been reposting it here?

          • angry angry says:
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            Because it comes out a day before the papers. It’s all free the very next day or later that day on twitter. In short, they’re impatient.

          • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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            Some of the information, like commits or offers, but not a lot of the other information that has been posted.

          • angry angry says:
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            A lot of the valuable information is posted by members, not machado.

          • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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            Only the information mentioned in that one “Confidential” thread is the information she mentions would get people black listed.

        • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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          It’s not about the tweets you found. That is already public information.

          It’s about the information they get from their contacts. If you read the information in the post (which you can with the free 60 days they recently offered) you’ll see it’s not information you can freely find in twitter.

          • angry angry says:
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            It’s information. The source doesn’t charge them, nor does the source tell them they can’t talk. It’s so lame to then turn that into your own profit and make demands on others.

          • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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            I doubt most of the things in that particular post are things I will see in the papers. I can’t see Goe publishing things that would reflect poorly on the Riley era.

            I don’t know if you read that thread, but it is not just them making references to tweets about offers. It’s definitely stuff I have not seen from any other Beaver news source.

            I have never paid for it and I won’t be subscribing after the free period is over btw. So I’m not just defending my purchase.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            Ok, challenge me. Give me one item from the list and I will go find you that same information, pre-dating the Blitz post, on either twitter or the angrybeavs forum, free of charge. You choose, any single item.

          • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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            Trying to bait me into posting some of their info on this site? LOL

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            For pete’s sake, just use a hint or code or something so a non-user wouldn’t know what you’re talking about. it’s getting late and i’m going to bed. i’ll be looking forward to your task in the morning. thanks for the discussion.

            Although that would have been funny if you had to ban yourself from your own Lodge ; )

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            Thanks for clarifying, Angie. But the funny thing is, I just read through the “confidential” information, and it’s all stuff that we’ve discussed on this very blog in the past 2 weeks in one form or another. Seriously, if I had the time i would go pull every comment with the timestamp proving these arent new ideas. I wont mention it here since that’s against the rules now, but maybe since it was mentioned here first, Angry should be banning you? I disagree with that idea, but it seems like that type of reasoning is the problem here.

          • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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            That would be pretty hypocritical for a free site that is apparently about the free exchange of ideas. My opinions, even if unpopular, should be allowed to exist. This is America, right?

            Anyway, people here were reposting information from Blitz as it was posted there… I know because I started with that free trial that popped up around when the Riley news broke so I was checking both forums.

        • angry angry says:
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          You should get on twitter and say that. I wrote her about this on there.

  • James J says:
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    Angry Beavers Rock and the TEA PARTY ROCKS. YEAH, Man!!! Gary Andersen is gonna take us to the promised land (not Utah, that’s the Mormon promised land). The College Football Playoff, if he doesn’t do this in 5 years, cut him loose because we are winners here.

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    We are Oregon State, We go to Fiesta Bowls, we go on riverboat gambling trips and poop with the door open. Have no fear.

  • Jack says:
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    You look silly talking to yourself at the end of a dead thread.

    You don’t remember when Nikegon started running the spread option in 2007, because they started in 2005. Anyone worried about Andersen’s 59-0 anomaly against tOSU simply has never had the joy of watching a Mark Banker defense get embarrassed by a semi-mobile QB, let alone watched the multiple times every year we all have done.

    Let me explain what you would have seen in any of the last several years:
    Our run game kills it for a couple first downs then we all wonder why play-calling suddenly went to three pass plays that involved a false start and a third down toss short of the sticks. Then we wonder why we punt from the opposition’s 34 yard line. That punt ends up being a touchback (as opposed to the usual shank for 20 yards… those only come on our side of the field I guess), which is probably good anyway since the ST coach was so busy teaching his son to be a coach that we only had nine or ten guys on the field… again. Then the other team marches down the field in all of two minutes and scores. After the kick-off where our returner catches the ball three yards deep and runs it out to the 15, as he always does (not even remotely kidding on this one), The play-calling makes it apparent that our coaches forgot we had any running backs. Three plays later comes that shank from the punter who will be an NFL All-Star once he gets some decent instruction. He might even be a better pro than the kid who walked on here because he was a legacy. That kid had more talent at the time, but our coaches reward time in system over talent. And besides, we’re already giving a ship to the Shankmeister. Who gives two ships to the punter position? Well… Riley does when the Shankmeister graduates, but that has nothing to do with this. That walk-on who can’t get on decides to transfer, and he goes on to win two consecutive Ray Guy Awards… and now gets paid to watch Tom Brady play football.

    Oh! Back to the game!

    After that shank, the opposition scores on two plays.

    Rinse and repeat.

    So GregTylerKyleChris… I know you have never watched OSU football because you know not of what you speak. And what moron goes on a riverboat to gamble. We have Vegas out here. If you’re that lazy and stupid, you can just go to a reservation casino… or open up your computer.

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