14.Jan.2017 Let’s talk Beavs and ucks

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I suspect angry may be working on a new thread, if so he can delete this one.
Since the last thread passed 350 (thanks Jack, for the heads up) we can start fresh here.

Beavs vs ucks:
-MBB:TV coming up shortly, rumor is that Walton will be heard.

-MBB part II: predictions started on last thread add/repeat here if you want.
-ucks new coaching staff-any thoughts?
-WBB, CW is a couple weeks away, whadaya say about SC tomorrow?
-Baseball is just over a month away, any thoughts on Whorton’s future at hole?
-Anyone listen to Mandy’s podcast with the “realtor”?………not a Beav-uck thing, but hey it’s Mandy.

And, as ever……FB recruiting!

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  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    #1

  • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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    Looks like the Ducks are going for the shutout…

  • scotty says:
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    Beavs down 19-0. This team plays like absolute garbage.

  • scotty says:
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    21-0 quacks. There are NAIA teams that would outplay us. WTF happened? Injuries don’t excuse this mess.

  • cj cj says:
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    I had to quit watching

  • Theboneyard says:
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    Why the hell is that douche Altman still pressing?

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    Will this game count on Oregon’s record or it considered an exhibition?

  • Theboneyard says:
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    Fuck Altman

    • scotty says:
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      To copy from football, if we don’t like it, stop it. Just because we refuse to start playing doesn’t mean the quacks should have to stop.

      Why’d the team even physically show up if they were just going to roll over like this? To avoid a fine? That’s all I can think of. Otherwise Tinkle might as well keep ’em at home.

  • scotty says:
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    Someone kidnapped Wayne Tinkle and replaced him with Wayne Stinkle 🙁

    This is historically bad Power 5 basketball. Can we let the women’s team play the men’s games?

  • Tinkle Seat Warming says:
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    One player down shouldn’t mean getting blown out in more than a third of your conference games as looks like will happen to OSU this year. Tinkle not a great X’s and O’s coach. Used to play decent defense but his team this year has rarely done even that.

    If we don’t see 12 more wins with Ethan next year then Tinkle is showing a ceiling is tge result of what GP2 mostly did. That ia all I expect from Tinkle. One last NCAA appearance in maybe 3 years and over next 6 years that is probably it. Not satisfied with that but don’t see it playing out any other way.

    Barnes will have to keep a close eye on the program once he arrives. Football atleast appears to be taking positive strides to properly compete and soon beat more Pac-12 teams then we lose to. From there GA needs to soon reach a higher point of Holiday & Alamo bowls or hopefully even a Rose Bowl to get Oregon State’s national profile where we want it.

  • Calibeav says:
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    Holy s! We shouldn’t be this bad …. They are making us look like a high school squad. The team Tinkle’s first year had far less talent and yet still never just got steam rolled night after night after night. Something is off here.

  • scotty says:
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    Mike Parker saying during halftime he thinks Wayne Tinkle is one of the best coaches in the profession and will get things turned around. I’d feel a lot more comforted by that, if he didn’t also say the same about Riley.

    This non-showing would make even Craig Robinson blush. Fans should ask for their money back, even the quack fans.

    • Tinkle Seat Warming says:
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      Parker is wrong. We know GP2 can make a NCAA with the right help but he had intangibles all over the place. Even with Ethan next year I just don’t see the right pieces to to more than NIT. That will probably take a few things going right. My thought is in Ethan’s second year they will be in middle of NIT pack and possibly in his 3rd year we have a 1 in 6 chance of NCAA but most likely will not make it. GP2 had way more intangibles than Tinkle has.

      • cj cj says:
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        G2 Intangibles: Olaf, Reid, Gomis, Morris-Walker & Duvivier?

        I was happy to see them go, but now I’ve changed my mind….

  • WFO WFO says:
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    OT-

    Taggart and company were driving around Eugene/Springfield today visiting high schools in black SUVs with police escorts like they’re fucking royalty.

    Royal fucking douchebags. Drive a fucking university Prius down there you pretentious fucking dildo.

  • scotty says:
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    Hey Tinkle, quit wasting energy shouting at the refs, and try coaching up the team!

  • Tinkle Seat Warming says:
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    Parker’s time should be winding down quick. Old generation and another guy who defended Riley wsy too long. Can’t turn the page as fully until we get serious about reinventing ourselves and allow proper generational turnover. This is one of reasons why younger generation hasn’t always been as passionate about Oregon State. We act too antiquated too often.

    Time for a younger face and voice for Oregon State to set it apart from the last 30 years. Just like Riley at OSU, how long do these guys need to hang on for & when is it no longer in the best interests of the university. Regarding Parker I think it best if he would have gracefully passed the torch around 5 years ago when Riley should of as well. Atleast Riley recognized it eventually and turned the page.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Interesting thought. Like him or not, it’s worth considering.

      I know he is off putting to some, but is that a generational thing?

      Who would you like to see take his place…….any ex Beav athletes talented/available? Sydney wants to go into broadcasting, years away but I wonder how she’d do. Gina? One of the Portland radio guys?

      I’d consider almost anyone except Jon Warren (and the buffet queen). Damn, I said I’d keep an open mind till we saw how Jon did with the Spring Baseball gig. BTW, has that been confirmed?

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Lamar Hurd?

        • Tinkle Seat Warming says:
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          Any younger person who wants to be on radio and has or is willing to learn some OSU tradition. Just needs the basic understanding but primary focus is on winning games in the now.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          Tim Euhus (sp) is selling insurance and on a Beavs TV show, is he any good?

          • Tinkle Seat Warming says:
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            Tim might do a decent job. Want someone a bit more lively and not full of deflections if athletic standards are not met. Mostly someone who will actually inspire more youth to be Beaver fans. This is where I think Parker is well past his prime. I’d like a change in next couple years.

          • scotty says:
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            I like Nigel Burton, but he’s probably above the position

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Dave from Tumwater is the obvious choice.

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          Is being the voice of a major college a better gig than NBA commentator? Also, I don’t think Lamar’s strength is play by play at this point. I liked him a lot on P-12 broadcasts and before that on Root.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Which is why I added the question mark at the end. To invoke discussion. His name was the first that came to mind as an ex OSU hoops player that is in broadcasting. Nothing more or less.

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          Which is also why I asked mine. Great analyst. Miss him on college hoops, but at first glance it might be a step back.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Mike Barrett to me is the home run, if we’re actually in the market for an announcer with OSU ties.
          But we’re not, right?

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Chill dude it’s radio. There is no “next generation” of fans or listeners for radio

      • Jack Jack says:
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        He’s all sorts of tartany wrong, and you pick on the radio audience aspect of his blurbs?

  • scotty says:
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    Final 85-43 quacks. Can’t wait to hear how MP’s gonna try spinning this turd.

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    osu82 says:
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    88-44

    Not bad, only off by 4 points total. I’ll assume you picked the quacks to have the 88 and us to have the 44.

    • osu82 says:
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      Yeah, not a bad guess. And, of course, us with the 44. I thought with 13 at the half, that we wouldn’t make 30 though.

  • Tinkle Seat Warming says:
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    Oregon State ‘Obliterated’ by Oregon:

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSMTZED1FT4HQU5

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Ralph Miller is spinning like a rotisserie. What a disgrace.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      I think Ralph is done spinning, there have been a lot of shitty Beaver hoops teams since 1989. I hope Ralph is in a comfortable chair puffing on a More Extra-Long and sipping his whiskey and watching some good hoops in the hereafter!

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    I’m surprised there is not more discussion about redshirting Tres at this point. It seems like a good option IF he wants to stay at OSU for five years. Does anybody have any insight on why it’s not brought up by the media? Maybe I’ve missed a story or two that clarifies the reasons.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Redshirting in hoops is usually a fruitless exercise unless the player is truly not healthy. The necessary team dynamics for next year alone are reason to not do so. If they’re good enough to play young, they’re not staying for five years. If they’re in need of a fifth year, they’re not good enough to be taking a roster spot in their fifth year.

      The morale of the team alone is reason to not do it.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        The case might be made that Tres is not healthy (or has a lot of bad luck). I did a quick calculation, in his brief career he has now missed 19 out of 49 possible games. While I agree with your assessment in general, I think in his case a redshirt is not a bad thing if he wants to play for his Dad for four complete seasons. If he’s that good, he will leave early anyway.

  • FIRE PISS FACE!!!!! says:
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    Enough is enough for piss boy, this fucking guy needs to figure it out or get the hell out! All of his recruits that aren’t related to the coaches are garbage! His back street boy wannabe son needs to suck it up and get back in there! There has never been guards this bad in history of the pac12! Maybe his crap worked in division 2 but it doesn’t cut it against even the worst teams at this level! We have no chance as long as we keep this guy around! It seems impossible to be this bad! 4 wins in football and now this! A complete disaster! Sad!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Eggers’s assessment, in which he says the coaches will decide in a few week whether or not to redshirt Tres. Also says the staff had a couple of misses in JC recruits and how they can’t afford that.

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/256-sports/kerry-eggers/340281-220439-beavers-missing-what-it-takes-

    Woody Hayes said “There’s nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.” The MBB coaching staff and team must have sparkling, antiseptically clean souls right now.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      Woody Hayes never coached at Oregon St.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Afraid to follow in the footsteps of the legend…………Pettibonehead. Can’t blame him.

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          Fist-bump… Would send complimentary Beaver swag from my stash, but pretty much wiped out after the holiday shopping season. May have a few old mouth pieces lying around. I’ll get back to you.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    “Tinkle had hoped to return for the Oregon game, but X-rays showed the break is not healing as quickly as desired.

    “They’re going to look at it next week again,” he told me Saturday night, “but we’re just not sure when I’ll be back.”

    It might not be until next year. Tinkle, who has played only six games, would qualify for a medical redshirt season. He doesn’t want to redshirt — he desperately wants to return to the team — but OSU coaches are beginning to realize redshirting may be the prudent thing to do.

    That decision won’t be made for at least another couple weeks.”

    We’re over halfway thru the season and March Madness is only 2+ months away. At this point? Redshirt. Lost season. There is really nothing left to play for this year. The only tournament the Beavs will be playing in is the Pac-12 tournament and then this season is over. Take your lumps, play it out and move on for next year.

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/256-sports/kerry-eggers/340281-220439-beavers-missing-what-it-takes-

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Correct. If they don’t redshirt him, it proves that Tinkle Sr. is stupid. They need to pull a rabbit out of the hat with a grad transfer or two for next year. Did Malcom graduate? Any chance he comes back?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        If he’s able to play, what’s a redshirt going to do? If he needs to heal, so be it. But he’s not going to be at OSU for a fifth year, let alone a sixth.

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          Why not? It works for Dana Altman. Isn’t Ennis 26 years old now?

  • angry angry says:
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    They’ll be good next year.
    Tinkle is great. Missing on Stacy and injuries killed them, but they’ll recover.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Charles Moku Watson announces his verbal commitment today at noon (hawaii time?)
    I like our chances to pick him up (like 90% certainty)

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Although he just retweeted something saying he’s just announcing his commitment date.
      Or maybe he’s announcing his announcement date for his cimmitment date announcement. I can’t keep up….

    • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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      Awesome! from the tweets I was following seems like he really hit it off with Hodgins and Manning Jr. Really hope he commits. -Woops, I confused him with Trajon Cotton who’s visiting. Which I still hope we get lol.

      Also saw on the twitter feed that TJ Green was moved up to 4* on Rivals. Not like it really matters but still pretty cool.

      Would still like to see us get Juliano Falaniko, Brandon Pili, and George Moore. Any idea on our chances for them?

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Also saw that Calvin has his bio pic changed back to an osu photo. So who knows….

        Pili i would say is the lowest chance of the bunch.
        Falaniko i would say is 50/50, but coach Salavea coming to oregon could really mess that up for us if they pursue him.
        Moore i feel really good about.

      • angry angry says:
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        Green should be a 4-star for sure. Hope we hang on to him.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          True, the Chandler connection continues to be significant. Hope this one pays off.

          How about another Green? Daniel Green from Madison, MLB visiting near the end of the month.

        • Theboneyard says:
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          According to 247 sports David Morris is a 4 star as well. That’s 7 commits ranked as a 4 star by at least one major recruting site.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Regardless of how much we care or don’t care about star ratings, I think it’s safe to say this class has been attracting the highest caliber of athlete across the board, that OSU has ever seen in a single class. Hope it all comes together nicely in the end.

  • ohiobeav says:
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    Derrick Bruce transferring has more to do with this team struggling than either Tinkle, Thompson or N’dyaie being hurt. Ballhandling and dealing with any form of pressure has been atrocious.
    I’m amazed that they are not recruiting a true point guard, unless they believe Jaquori is the PG.

    Tinkle is in transition from the senior heavy class, now a bunch of freshmen/sophomores. But my concern is he has been trading 6′ 7″ for 6′ 4″ and now we are not only young, but also undersized.

    I don’t think the solution is to bring in 2 more guys 6′ 4″ for next year. I doubt that Ethan is that kind of game changing player.

    If a guy is 6′ 4″ at D1 level and can’t handle the ball great, he better be steve kerr shooting the ball. Walk-ons starting, undersized forwards, guards that can’t make an entry pass, 3 players together on the court who aren’t a scoring threat at various times, setting a pick and roll but not actually making any contact let alone rollling correctly are all demonstrable concerns.

    Slowing things down in order to chuck up a bad shot is still bad basketball.

    I am hoping that in 2 years all of these guys will be more mature and used to playing together in Tinkle’s system and that can lead to a magical run, but the contrast in style, athletes, shooting and depth is disconcerting while watching last night. It is a tall order, and requires much more than 3 coaches son’s to do it.

    I’d say you could win with tough minded defense and careful possessions as they did the first year. Or you could get that elite one and done type that can transcend the rest and carry you. Or you build depth, trust, maturity and have a senior led group that has been together for 4 years.

    A system can win until it faces motivated and superior talent. Right now I think Tinkle’s system is transitioning from Montana to OSU but he needs to bring better, bigger, more skilled talent and athleticism. Recruiting spindly undersize wings to replace undersized walk-ons doesn’t make me feel too good about the future of Beaver basketball.

    Patience with a heavy dose of watchfulness. And GPII was better than we thought, and so was Malcolm, Langston. Also gone from last year: Bruce, Reid, Shaftenaar. Six heavy minute guys to replace. Coaching staff needed to be killing it recruiting to replace the length of that group.

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      No doubt about it, Derrick Bruce couldn’t be worse than what we have. But…. I was interested in seeing how he’s doing @ Northwest Florida State College (it’s a JC). They have a PJ Bruce on their roster so I’m assuming that that’s him. I was a bit surprised to see that he’s not starting and imo, his stats don’t look all that good. http://www.nwfraiders.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/players/pjbrucew0fc FWIW – He’s committed 34 turnovers in 18 games.

      W.R.T. the OSU basketball staff: I remember Ruff as being identified as the coach who’s working with the bigs. Is one of the other coaches the guy who’s responsible for coaching/teaching the guards?

      • Theboneyard says:
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        Gregg Gotlibb coaches the guards.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          Not very well….

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          Thanks. As I recall he’s supposed to be one heck of a recruiter but currently his kids don’t appear to be well grounded in the fundamentals. Admittedly they’re young and inexperienced so that has to be taken into account. So I guess I’ll have to be patient with the guard play.

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      Good post.

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    Golden shoes, black SUV’s with police escort, coaches vs players basketball at halftime; that Taggart’s pretty flashy allright. Style over substance?…….we’ll see.

    What was the effect on recruits (ours and theirs) of the last few days? Pretty sure being blown out last night didn’t help, but did it hurt? As I read it, many of our high priority guys don’t visit for another week but were any on hand to see the thumpin’ (and the uck staff on court)?

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Hopefully watching the civil war game on tv wasn’t part of the visit list agenda.
      We’ll probably get more recruit reaction from the weekend after they get home.
      Apparently Judson thought Corvallis was lit, but othet guys have stayed off social media for the most part.
      Still, I dont think judson’s opinion means a whole lot. Feel like his visit has been more bad publicity for osu than good.

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        Thanks, nicebeav
        So, we’ve already offered Judson who will visit Eugene next week and says this of Taggart and the ucks offer,

        “We are real, real close – almost like my dad. It’s like a dream offer. Growing up, it was Florida and Oregon. Now, I got a chance to go there.”

        Not sure spending time on Judson was a good idea. He may be a great athlete but seems locked in to Taggart. One thing sure, no lack of confidence with this kid………“”(I bring) speed, great character, a role model and I’ll be ready to play,” Judson said. “I love to play in big crowds in big games. I’m a game-changer.”

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Speaking of the ‘uck staff…… I just took a look at their coaching staff web page and was a bit blown out by the number of faces on that page. http://www.goducks.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball WTF is up with all these guys who are identified as managers? Also I see the Beavs are 3 bodies short (an Athletic Trainer; a Strength and Conditioning Coach & an Assistant Conditioning Coach).
      http://www.osubeavers.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

      Don’t know if not having those bodies would have a negative impact on the team’s performance but at this juncture the whole OSU set-up needs to be under a microscope.

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        are 3 bodies short (an Athletic Trainer; a Strength and Conditioning Coach & an Assistant Conditioning Coach That’s a little scarey. Seems like a lot of people are getting into those fields, so what’s the deal?

  • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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    With all the WR recruits OSU is getting, it seems like GA will have plenty of proof to convince a surefire QB stud to come into OSU in next year’s recruiting cycle. I think this is one of the reasons he is recruiting so many receivers. I believe he has tried, but our current WR core hasn’t given them much success to look forward to.

    Luton and McM will take us through the 2018 season and I don’t believe Moran or Willard are the future of QB in corvallis. They just don’t seem like game changers – backups at best. I believe we need to get almost a Jake Browning caliber of QB to really take us to the next level (Holiday/Alamo/Rose Bowls). Along with that, I think we’ll need to focus more on the OL depth to make sure he has good protection.

    A couple of the QB prospects I like and have OSU offers are here:

    3* Cammon Cooper – 6’4” 185 lbs – Lehi, UT
    4059 Yards, 38 TD, 64% Completion
    https://www.hudl.com/video/3/3313671/57cc67e87bd2f51a545b0105

    4* Tanner McKee – 6’6” 220lbs – Corona, CA
    3523 Yards – 39 TD, 74% Completion
    http://www.hudl.com/video/3/935574/58452729c124dd1318bc8423

    WIth GA and staff killing it on the recruiting trail, I hope they continue their success and get us a solid QB.

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      Good stuff, amigo.
      I especially second this emotion, “Along with that, I think we’ll need to focus more on the OL depth to make sure he has good protection.”

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    I’m sort of getting that vibe from GA regarding Luton that I got before the 2015 season with Collins. I think it’s Luton’s job and McM/Garretson will be the “seasoned” back ups. Collins seemed to be pre-annointed even though there was an open competition because of the dual-threat preference at the time. I think GA now wants the offense to go downfield in the passing game and Luton fits the requirement.

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    Trajon Cotton seemed very high on Oregon State upon his arrival. I am sure he had a good time with Hodgins and Manning but have not seen that many tweets since his arrival.

    Basketball doing so bad seems like it shouldn’t affect football but it never looks good to not be competitive. Andersen building something good that appears should be exviting so hopefully GA got to impress Trajon Cotton & Judson by meeting them.

    I know Trajon was talking about a friend of his going USC anf he strongly considering OSU when he was a day from arriving. Hopefully GA can close on Cotton and even Judson if he likes what is growing in Corvallis.

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    WBB – And another candidate for official Voice of the Beavers:

    3pm tip on PAC12 for WBB at SC, the last time the BWB’s lost two in a row was 2014 vs SC/UCLA.
    Not likely to repeat that sad occurrence today, Syd is due for a better showing (more like vs Stanford than Cal and UCLA). When is Katie Mc gonna step up?

    Beavs now in second place, may get some help from the realtor when her gals face UW later in the day on PAC12

    Radio broadcaster for BWB is Ron Callan, does he join: Nigel Burton, Tim Euhus, Lamar Hurd, and – the ab favorite- Dave from Tumwater, as a candidate to replace Parker?

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    imo Ron Callan is a difficult listen. He doesn’t create a picture. Repetitive, Little or no background commentary. Halting delivery.

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    Women shooting free throws like the men … 3-9 first half

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      Don’t get why the free throw is so hard to master.

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      Last three games FTM/FTA = 73.5%:
      Cal 3/8
      Stanford 11/14
      UCLA 11/12

      Annnnd, Brown promptly misses 2 more. Return to the mean will require some good shooting the rest of the way!

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      “You shoot hoops like a MAN!” is now a legitimate insult

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    Nice lead at the end of the 3rd. They need to ratchet down in the 4th and not let USC make any runs on them!

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    Beavs going to win this one, but the poor 4th quarter trend continues. They’ve been giving up points by the bunches in the 4th quarter and getting consistently getting outscored in the 4th. Exactly opposite of what they’ve been doing in the 3rd quarters.

    Survived a dreadful night at the line 8-18, but a nice game shooting from the floor. Over 50% which doesn’t happen much these days! Still going 3/4 in the California road trips is good. Now hopefully ASU takes it to UW.

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      Syd didn’t step it up as I’d hoped, Katie a few nice assists. How ’bout Kolbie, very nice game.
      Marie a double double.
      And Tylor Kalmer keeps that Chandler thing alive.

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        Kalmer has a nice shot and some attitude. Reminds me of Weisner.

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      Marie with 5 assists to go with 4 blocks. Kolbie had a great game, except for those darn free throws. Syd with only 1 assist & 3 TO’s, She didn’t have a great weekend, but I’m sure she’ll figure it out.

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    Since the women won by 14 points, Corvallis Outlet Store is giving 14% off a single item up to $200. That’s a neat promo. I heard they tried doing the same promotion for the men’s team, but customers got pissed when everything was marked up 42%.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Whoever that was who said they had Cotton as their #1 prospect on the board, you may get your wish. Check his recemt tweet. Wants to switch things up in that whole in state little brother/big brother conversation. Sounds pretty good for osu to pick him up. He also had judson in there, so, who knows…

    • Ryan says:
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      Thanks for the good information. How do you stay on top of all the tweets!?

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        It helps if you set up alerts. Just let the app do the work for you

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    Anyone know about TJ Green’s academics? His offer sheet is awful for a 4-star. None of the in-State schools offered him…

    • Ryan says:
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      Green did pickup an offer from Utah today. So his grades must be in order then?? Also Green was barely a three star before his senior year. Some people were leary because he wasn’t highly rated coming into his senior year.

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    RB Kyshaun Bryan out of Florida would be a major get for GA as well if Andersen can get him away from South Carolina and others. Guy looks like a very capable back and with a physical style like Ryan Nall. 247sports has OSU in serious contention. This needs to happen. Hope GA and Lockette make every effort as definitely a guy who would help get Oregon State to upper level bowl games. Would really be effective with our WRs lossening up the defense.

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      Loosening up. Of course they will also be lossening up defenses too because Oregon State with a strong receiving and run game is going to be making opponents take a lot of losses as we win with much more regularity. 🙂

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        Did you switch your translation software? Your syntax is breaking more than your usual cheese soup does.

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    Could this recruiting class be the best ever at OSU ranking wise?

    Hope they hold on to everyone they got and add several of these visitors. Could be near the top 20 if a few guys go the Beavs way couldn’t it?

    Very impressed especially coming off 2-10 and 4-8, imagine what this team could do off an 8-5 season which is sort of becoming my expectation for next year. 3-0 in OOC, 4-5 in conference, and win your Bowl gets you to 8-5 and seems quite possible.

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      OT: Hey youngorst, don’t know if you teach math but our earlier discussion of gals FT woes presents a good “word problem”.

      The Beavs averaged 73% in the last three games and were 3 of 11 right after the half. Someone (looks in mirror) said it’d take some good shooting to reach their average by the end of the game.

      How good?

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        Make the next 19 straight.

        22 of 30 is 73%

        And I do teach math.

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          Might use that as a warm up Tuesday, thanks.

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            Good deal, some kids might relate.
            Passed it on to a relative who teaches middle school math, gonna be an extra credit question there.

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          No credit. You didn’t show your work!

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    No sale by the realtor, and no help for BWB’s; UW whips ASU by 11.
    BTW: Freethrows? UW shot 7/8 and ASU 2/3. Neither team even got 19 chances……see above.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    How bout those Packers!

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    Steven Nelson is ballin out right now as a nickel corner for the Chiefs

  • angry angry says:
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    Interesting article: http://theofficialcandyreport.com/2017/01/15/civil-war-debacle-should-be-an-eye-opener/

    I think OSU should open a satellite campus in Portland and build everything there. All new facilities, etc. Redoing Reser, Gill, etc is just too much. They need municipal money of a large city behind it. They’d have an airport, hotels, etc. If GA can get them into some major bowls it would help, but otherwise they have to think outside the box. Gill is a disaster. Probably the worst/most dating sports building I’ve ever seen.

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      A couple statements that caught my eye:

      1- Ucks have ” newer, better, baseball stadium … which bring(s) in more revenue than …Corvallis contemporaries.”Really? Whoreton’s crew brings in more revenue than Casey’s?

      2- “With the over-due completion of the Valley Football Center, the delay of which from when it was really needed contributed significantly to Mike Riley’s long slide into mediocrity”… No, no, it was the airport thing (which is also addressed in the piece).

      Anyway, thanks for the link. It should provoke some discussion here.

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      The whole article seems similar to the usual fear-mongering and panic over Corvallis not having an airport. There are upgrades that need to be made (like the long overdue Reser stand upgrade), but all the wringing over airports, bad hotels, etc is just the usual complaints we’ve all heard about before. Andersen’s proved you don’t need any of these amenities to get a good recruiting class anyway.

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        re: bad hotels. That can be defined a gazillion ways. I’ve happily stayed in airbnb’s in Corvallis.

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      I thought it was disingenous for the author to talk about what Nikegon has without a mention of their benefactor, Mr.Knight.

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      What a jackoff that author is……no air service and a delay in building Reser lead to the Riley slide. It has to be Schnells pseudonym. And because Taggert plays basketball against his players he will have recruiting classes in orders magnitude greater then GA? What does that even mean? The writer is butthurt at the fact GA is bringing in classes equal too or greater than Riley, and it’s ruining the narrative “awe shucks, woe is me, can’t recruit to corvallis” bullshit. Fuck that clown.

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        Let’s not forget how little Riley advanced any of these projects. He’s the only coach I can think of (even at OSU during the other 26 of the 28 years) that didn’t push for a constant upgrade. Hell, he got what DE asked for and had a mandate for more. But he was just fine letting everyone just hum ho then delay those planned projects. A part of that is the Bobby D way of telling his coaches that if they wanted something they needed to go out and get the funding for it. But many of the coaches did just that.

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      That is a really rough read. He should have proofed it at least once before posting.

      Sorry, the TTATT is not better than Gill for viewing anything. The sight lines at the TTATT absolutely suck, and those for concerts are worse. Yes, the tech at Gill sucks. But it’s not so bad that the actual experience of viewing something happening on the floor is as bad as it is at the TTATT. They do have nicer concourses. So there’s that.

      Oh… and were the practice courts at the TTATT built because of the extreme inadequacies of the main court itself? That’s a weird and incorrect take on the reality of the situation.

      And the baseball stadium? Puhlease. It’s nice and all, but better?

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I honestly like Gill. Not enough that I would drive down from Portland more than once per year to take in a game, but when I do go, I enjoy my time there. I really don’t care for the feel of NBA style mega arenas like the Moda Center or even MattKnight.

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      Why link to that garbage? Can just make it plaintext and remove the hyperlink, at the least

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      So can I hear some good counter-arguments to not having a satellite campus in Portland?
      I think that’s a solid, creative idea to get more interest in the Beavs. Can’t think of any downside. If the Ducks do it first we’re hosed, and then everyone will wish we did it.

      Agree that they not mentioning PK was weak. The rest of it is a mix of status quo/false narrative with some good points mixed in. There are some legit criticisms in there.

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        Where in Portland would you put it? How in the world would that be cheaper? So, depending on your major, your classes would be in Corvallis or Portland? Meaning some players now have a 2 hour bus ride to practice, or just to lift? There’s so many reasons not to do that… And you want municipal money, then why go to Portland? Let’s just build in LA, theres more money there and closer to the recruits right? You should send this idea back in with your resume offering free advising / coaching. I’m sure you’ll get a call back this time.

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          LA’s in California… unless you’re talking about Louisiana.

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            If Phil moves his team (as angry feared), it won’t be to Portland. It’ll be to Beaverton, and it will feel just like L(os) A(ngeles).

            Well, except for the freezing rain.

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          No, you wouldn’t have students traveling. It could just be for Master degrees and Doctorates. E.g. We could use a law school, for example. Put something up there in Portland that serves an academic purpose, too. Then just build all new facilities around it and make it the main hub for our athletics as well. Keep everything else in Corvallis.

          Maybe it’s unorthodox, but it solves many issues. I can’t think of any downside. I’m sure the public would be behind it if there was an academic purpose.

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            If they ever did go that route, they should move the business school uo there. Trying to find a good internship near Corvallis was always a pain in the ass, but when i went to portland state, you could always find internships within a few blocks of campus. Better job opportunities too.

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            All the reasons listed are why collaborating with WeWork and occupying the Custom House was a stroke of genius. That investment will pay dividends for generations.

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            Your idea keeps getting better Angry… The athletic hub would be in Portland… but only DR’s and Master’s students study in Portland.. but your last response to me was students wouldn’t be traveling. We either have our teams of nothing but PHD’s and Masters, or you have the athletes on busses to get to games, practices, etc.

            “that is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard, everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it”

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            Yeah except that’s not what I said.

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            Pretty much word for word, that is what you said

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            Yes, we already know your mind twists things.

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        A few counter points:

        The idea of moving to Portland is counter to what Andersen and others are successfully selling right now – Corvallis is a great college town that allows you to focus on the college experience without the distractions of a larger city. Would Portland with new campus and facilities be a better selling point? Maybe.

        Where would it go? Would it have a campus feel?

        Cost.

        Beyond the athletic facilities, thought needs to go into the future of college education and the campus experience in general, and maybe that helps the idea of a Portland campus. I don’t envision college students going to (a) campus(es) for 4+ years to get their educations. If not, do they attend less events like games? Do they have less of an emotional tie to tie and become increasingly disinterested in alumni experiences like football games?

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          “Best college town in the PAC”…….it is being promoted and it is very true. If you’ve ever been around a “commuter college”, the difference (generally) is plain to see; and that is what a campus in PDX would be.
          Now, the future of college education is a larger question. It may be inevitable that schools become more like Portland State, I hope not.

          One way to keep fans/alumni involved is having the FB team practice in Bend each year, that’s gonna happen.
          Another is to play holiday basketball in PDX, that’s happening.
          Baseball in Keizer and/or Hillsboro, happening.
          Get the WBB team lined up to play outside of Corvallis, please.

          It probably is chicken and egg, but winning is the single biggest factor, no?

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          You put it in the same place everyone else who wants to build large puts their facilities, Wilsonville.

          If you built a stadium at Portland Meadows, you could have flyovers every five minutes… because the all-important airport is nearby.

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        Gill isn’t a lost cause but the “renovations” they’ve done on it have been extremely half-assed over the years. A less radical solution is to actually put forth effort in renovating it.

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    The word on the street from UO “contacts” is matt court is never full and lacks atmosphere (the pit used to rock) and it is not paying for itself despite scheduling rock concerts there and massive public bonds (phil never pays retail).

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    For basketball the actual arena is secondary in recruiting. Most of the player’s time is spent in the practice facility and we now have a nice modern one. Gill is a great venue for watching a game.
    Getting rid of it would be huge mistake and would cut off the link to the excellence of the past. My favorite memories of campus were forged in that building. Winning will make the atmosphere. See the support for the women’s team. I don’t go to games to eat or wander the concourses. Allen Fieldhouse at Kansas is very old, but it not seem to hurt them. It is about having a good crowd and then the old building are much better than the newer ones due to the proximity to the court.
    The same argument has come up here at Minnesota. The casual observers do not realize that we go to games here because of the building and the collective memories forged there. Bottom line, get a decent team and the old building becomes an advantage. The one thing they need to do is to spruce up the area in front of the main entrance at Gill. Redo the the concrete and put in some plantings.

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    I actually liked the old UofO basketball stadium over the new one. Though the old one was a fire disaster waiting to happen.

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    I really enjoy games at Gill, and couldn’t even think of tearing it down. The atmosphere inside with a good crowd is amazing, it’s comfortable and something about its “oldness” is reassuring and brings back the fond memories of those undergraduate days so many years ago. It took me 35 years to get back, but now I live less than a mile from Gill, and life is good. Corvallis is such a wonderful place to live, I’m fortunate and I know it.

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      Right on! When Gill is rockin’ it’s the definition of basketball fun!
      You are, indeed, fortunate to live in Corvallis, and you’re avoiding those Philomath taxes!

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    See you Friday @Gill_Coliseum w new sound system that goes to 11! on wbb twitter

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      Why don’t you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?

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    The reason to open satellite campuses are always purely academic. If they were to open a Portland branch, it’s because the main campus is beyond capacity. Likely be a suburb and partnered with a comm college.

    The Bend satellite campus has been a good thing. It was not opened for athletic reasons. It’s turning into a 4 year campus. It will attract most students from the other side of state who don’t want to move to Corvallis and take some of the pressure off the main campus. .

    OSU is on track to become the dominant university in the state by total enrollment numbers.

    Also – Gill is a fantastic place to watch a game. Crowd is right on top of the game. Has the old college barn feel and that’s a good thing vs the cold NBA arena style. You aren’t going there for the off court amenities.

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    Speaking from experience here. Urban setting for colleges are challenging. Building costs are exponentially higher due to land prices. Then you have to deal with zoning commissions and the overlapping multiple agencies that are present in urban government. Everything is more difficult.
    A huge chuck of the money being spent on the new athletic village here in Minneapolis is going to soil abatement and re-doing multiple layers of utilities underground. Neighborhoods fight expansion due to traffic issues. The city government is pretty adversarial with the U of M due to control fights over everything. They resent a semi autonomous city within a city. They won’t allow private tailgating around the U, place noise restrictions, and have not allowed temporary closure os streets for events.

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    The column in question, by Andy Wooldridge, who used to write The Dam I think, makes some interesting points. Autzen is a bigger and better stadium than Reser, but only in Reser’s current half finished state. Were it completed, and a pathway toward that end needs to emerge from Barnes’s office within a year or two, Reser would be a superior facility. He’s wrong when he suggests the three new sections don’t look integrated: they work well even if built in stages.

    Knight Arena is a superior facility to Gill, I suppose, except in one salient respect: character. There’s nothing irremediable at play as far as Gill goes. Just need to be constantly improving.

    PK park is “better” than Goss in some respects, but Goss is in other ways–the intimacy factor I’d call it, (a la Fenway vis a vis the new Yankee Stadium, for example), plus history. Those are tangible assets, and as we know, the improvements down the right field line, mirroring the terrace down the left field line, augur a linkage to a new outfield bleachers.

    I think the author’s best point is the amount and caliber of hotels in Corvallis. Maybe I shouldn’t have pluralized the term because in my view there truly is only one hotel: the Hilton Garden Inn. The best of the rest are simply nice motels.

    As for Angry’s Portland campus–completely impracticable in my view. First, the headwinds in Salem would be immense. The University of Oregon would organize a potent opposition movement if one didn’t emerge organically. But more importantly, so would Portland State. Ed Ray would NEVER choose to fight that battle, and neither would his neophyte successor, whenever appointed. Taxpayer groups would go nuts and you can’t blame them. The student body in Corvallis would rebel, and their fees, usually not spoken of in this forum or more broadly, are an important part of any financing mix.

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      I think OSU number one goal should be to complete the stadium as soon as possible. Of course winning will go along way in opening pocket books. Second I think OSU needs to improve transportation ways to and from the campus for major sporting events. Winning, completing the football stadium will help all others sports. I can’t see how PK park out does Goss Stadium for revenue purposes. Goss averages close to 3000 attendance per home game. PK Park always looks empty. IMO.

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        The Eugene Emeralds play at PK also, are they including that in the revenue total?

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      How about building an airport and good hotels? 😉

      Knight Arena

      The floor looks like my butt after Taco Bell. Gill has a nicer court. Gill’s only problem is the exterior. It’s a real eyesore. Jack and I talked about this a while back, but if they can plant some type of Ivy (ala Wrigley Field) and cover it, that would be best. Not sure which grow up there, if any, off hand.

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        I like the airport and hotels idea….

        I’d recommend you stop eating at Taco Bell….or if you do, don’t loot at your Matt Knight Arena-like ass after….yeesh..

        I think Reser would look fine if the other side matched up. It might sound louder too if the roof is enough to focus the sound somewhat. It might be dated very soon in the NCAA football arms race, but that might say more about the arms race than Reser itself.

        Canazano did say that after attending the Minny/OSU game earlier this year that Minnesota’s stadium was far and away better than over half the PAC facilities. Most in the PAC aren’t keeping up there. There’s obviously nothing special about Autzen from an architectural standpoint. Nike U is modernizing the attachments; the football operations center, the Mariota performance complex or whatever it is. But neither of those really fit into the university campus. I think it remains to be seen if those are actually additions or a distraction creating a bunch of spoiled underachieving kids, but that’s Taggert’s problem now.

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          Taco Bell was a joke.

          I neither eat their nor look at my ass.

          Oregon is so much smarter than us. Mentioning the Mariota performance complex…any other school in America have a complex named after a guy who just won the Heisman and graduated a few years earlier? That kind of thinking is what separates Oregon from Oregon State. OSU will eventually do things like that as everyone else does them, but it’s a good example of our reactionary/follower mentality. Remember when Quizz was in the running for Heisman early on that one year and the best RB Riley could get was Terrod Ward? We capitalize on nothing.

          GA will likely change that. I bet he hates the mentality as much as I do. So slow to react, so slow to innovate, so slow to think outside the box. Mammoths was a good and more accurate team name, if we’re being honest.

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          I’ve been to every football l stadium in the conference, to most of them several times, and I was at that Minnesota game this year. If Reser’s west side mirrored the east there would only be one architecturally superior stadium in the conference (UW). A completed Reser would have the concourses that Stanford’s new stadium does, but the factor that is often overlooked in terms of the fan experience is the roof. The Seahawks stadium is instructive in this regard. Yes, it provides some protection from the elements for some attendees but the sense of enclosure is what creates the game day vibe, and it is noise, not crowd size per se, that is the relevant factor. Which is why, though the Coliseum and Rose Bowl have storied histories, they are not intimidating places to play, and the infrastructure is dumpy. Even after its recent remodel the Cal stadium is nothing to write home about though the hillside location is cool. The east side still has only porta potties. Several of the other stadiums in the conference are superior to Reser in its current configuration but NONE of them would be if the west side was built to mirror the east.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        The native honeysuckle blooms orange and vines up to 25 feet. But its deciduous and can get messy. Ivy is invasive both ecologically and structurally. Evergreen clematis wouldn’t give much vertical coverage.

        V. coignetiae would be spectacular on the entrance plaza. It’s also deciduous, but it grows to be woody and structurally interesting during dormancy, like any grape does.

      • wannabeav says:
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        Gill is essentially an Art Deco building but it isn’t decorated like one. It needs more colorful flourishes, and much better landscaping. For example, those bulwarks on the ground level on the west side are just begging for big planters with flowers, in season.

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          Spot on. I don’t claim to be an Art Deco expert but I have an interest in it. Gill carries on as if it’s embarrassed to be Art Deco. Seems no one on OSU staff(s) is/are artistic enough to make a statement. Hire an expert. And . . . landscaping cures most ills.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            It was designed that way. It’s like an art deco blank that still needs all the embellishments. I’d love to see something like this on the east side…
            http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1307/4664166031_e393373f50_z.jpg

            The recessed friezes could be stamped bronze plates instead of concrete panels. Then we’d flute the pilasters and add bronze capitals to each to cap them. A marquee and a covered plaza would be gravy.

            The trees on the southeast corner need to go. Then we tear down the ramp on the south side and build an add-on along the whole elevation which would house the entrance ramps. escalators vendors and provide a place to add elevators. Imagine an entrance like the one at Wembley arena where third floor offices and fourth floor mechanicals occupy that top triangle, flush with the lower structure and made of glass and steel but complimenting the art deco roots of the original structure.
            https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c0/76/a9/c076a92ea44230e5aaa9025ecbfd5e1c.jpg

            But please please please… no empire deco.

            Would that work?

    • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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      UO Baseball is a ~$4.5M loss annually.

      http://uomatters.com/2016/03/cut-duck-baseball-save-cas-faculty.html

      Is our baseball program doing that bad?

      • Bill says:
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        4.4 million of the loss is due to uniform expenses.

      • scotty says:
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        That’s a hilarious link headline there. Cut duck baseball to save faculty? If anything, they would cut faculty to save baseball! Doesn’t that writer know who the “school” works for?

        • Jack Jack says:
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          More than most, he knows.

          You should read more of his stuff if you haven’t already.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      “I think the author’s best point is the amount and caliber of hotels in Corvallis. Maybe I shouldn’t have pluralized the term because in my view there truly is only one hotel: the Hilton Garden Inn. The best of the rest are simply nice motels.”

      There is a Marriott currently being built on 1st, a Fairfield in the works for 9th street, and a Hampton (I think) scheduled for the complex at Home Depot on Circle, so things are trending in that direction, even if the airport doesn’t do commercial flights.

      • wannabeav says:
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        I saw the construction down by the river at the end of last football season but didn’t learn what was under way. A Marriott is definitely trending in the right direction and Hampton Inns are nice mid-range hotel too.

  • Theboneyard says:
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    According to football scoop Cal is about to hire EWU coach Beau Baldwin as OC. If it does happen that is a great hire for cal.

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      saw that too. really good hire to get him as an OC. Cal could be interesting these next few years.

      We still have McGiven, right?

      Just checking.

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      It’s official.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Could see Cal getting in on the Jamire Calvin sweepstakes now. Would fit well in a Baldwin offense.

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      Why didn’t we take a run at Baldwin for OC? Oh that’s right, he isn’t from Utah.

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        Or Troy Taylor, for that matter. And now they are both in the Pac-12. Baldwin had just signed a contract extension at EWU. I can’t help but wonder if Gage Gubrud won’t try to transfer up. I feel a bit sad for EWU players, but the mantra is, “it’s a business” and indeed it is. Word on the street was that Baldwin didn’t want anything but a head coaching job so Cal and Wilcox and $ must have been persuasive. Riley couldn’t defeat EW when he was at Oregon State. I don’t think he would ever have been able to coach against these new guys coming in. I trust Andersen can.

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          Absolutely. Riley couldn’t even beat Sacramento State or Paul Wulff’s horrible 2010 WSU squad. No way he’d beat Wilcox and Baldwin at Cal. More faith in Andersen.

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    not that it matters much anymore, Chip Kelly to JAX as OC. That ends any future talk of a return to college football.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      For Chip, or for JAX?

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      Really shows he doesn’t want to come back to college because he won’t bail in December to take a college job and most top jobs won’t wait till he is done.

      Interesting choice, honestly thought he’d take the year off as hard as that would be for the football junkie he is.

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        Good for Chip. I wouldn’t want to have to fly around kissing high schoolers’ asses, either.

  • angry angry says:
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    Baldwin officially hired by Cal.
    I’m glad OSU never got involved with him. Gangs up on bad teams with tweeners. I’m not convinced he’s that great.

    I’m open to being wrong so let’s see how he does at Cal.

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      Somewhat agree. Although his teams did beat Riley and Leach. But so did Sac St and Portland St.

    • Angry@angry says:
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      You, open to being wrong? That’s the funniest thing you’ve ever said

      • Jack Jack says:
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        You use definitives the mostliest anyone has ever seen.

      • angry angry says:
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        So you have a boner for Baldwin as well? Is there a coach you DON’T have a boner for??

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          I think he’s accomplished quite a bit, but other than that I don’t really have an opinion on him.

          Just you saying that you’re open to being wrong is funny to me. Example being I’m pretty sure nobody thinks having the Beavers athletic hub as you put it, in Portland is a good idea. You still see it as a great idea with no downside

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    I’ve got nothin….

    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2017/01/oregon_ducks_workouts_hospital.html

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      As mentioned in the article, they had a similar incident at Iowa in 2011 with thirteen players. One of the kids ended up suing the school.

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        Probably an element of being out of shape, as well as players using supplements which could contribute to this, but have to rhink part of this is the new staff trying to make things uncomfortable for players, to weed out the underperforming players and make space on the roster.
        Seems like player safety shouldnt be the sacrifice when doing so, however.

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          They ate at Taco Bell prior to their workouts!

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          I don’t recall this happening at OSU after GA was hired and said the players needed to get bigger, stronger and faster.

          That said all last season it was fairly evident the UO players were soft. But you don’t turn the workouts up to extreme from day 1

          “Players this week were required to finish the same workouts, which were described by multiple sources as akin to military basic training, with one said to include up to an hour of continuous push-ups and up-downs. An Oregon official disputed a claim that some players “passed out,” saying the training staff did not see any players faint. Some players later complained of discolored urine, which is a common symptom of rhabdomyolysis. After testing, others were found to have highly elevated levels of creatine kinase, an indicator of the syndrome.

          Rhabdomyolysis can be triggered after a spike in intensity of an athlete’s workouts and by overexertion during those workouts.”

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            Oregon players have always been soft. They will mostly attract prima donnas so it’s bound to be the case no matter who the coach is. Chip had a genuine edge that worked. It hasn’t worked before or since and won’t under Taggart. Dude is so not inspiring.

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            “described … as akin to military basic training…” Oh, the horror!

            Did they have to spitshine their swoosh slippers while being berated afterwards?

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            PT isn’t what makes you tough. Anyone can do push-ups and killers… well… except for people whose weight ratios are out of whack. They get their own special PT.

            Enduring menial but meaningful things like standing watch are the things that make you tough. Sand fleas make you tough. Walking long distances makes you tough. Doing calisthenics in your camo spandex and clown shoes doesn’t make you tough.

            That being said, Many in Berkeley suggest that Dykes was on his way out last year, but the school got caught up waiting to the Teddy Agu case to be resolved. Then they hoped he would get hired away and save them the buy-out. None of that happened, so they just canned him.

            Taggart would be wise to look at what happened down there.

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      That’s not going to help Taggart.
      Dude is a phony who is all about self-promotion, and this just cements that. Doesn’t want to look like the bust he’s sure to be so he’s over working his players.

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        His slogan is “Get On The Bus”. More like “Get In The Ambulance”!

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        Taggart seems like a good recruiter that can’t coach or run a program for shit. I bet he gets his ass wiped in conference play.

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      Guess we know why they needed that extra athletic training staff now. Maybe they should add a lawyer to the mix.

  • Deskahutez says:
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    Some thoughts from today:

    1. The hospitalization stuff is just ridiculous mismanagement by the UofO staff. Recruits should take note. Taggart is a relentless self promoter who can have all the recruits who love all the flash and crap UofO stands for.
    2. Ethan Thompson is already a better player than his brother. Still mot the elite athlete we need to climb out of this hole we are in. We are going to need two freak athletes, preferably a small and power forward, if we want to see a quick uptick in competitiveness.
    3. I am concerned that Jamire Calvin and TJ Green might both flip. Such is the life of recruiting.
    4. Trying hard not to be completely ticked about our mens hoop staff screwing up recruiting so badly this last year. There are plenty of guys we could have had that are much better than Dew and Stacy.

    Just another day in the life of a loyal Beav.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Why do you think Green will flip?

    • bleedorange says:
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      Why don’t u think tj green wont stay?

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        I think Green will stay. He’s one of OSUs top recruits and is almost guaranteed early playing time. He has been solid since the beginning. No way GA lets him go.

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          Agreed that pipeline is solid those kids by the time thyre seniors sould be playing in the rose bowl or something.

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          There’s the “pipeline” aspect and I think he may be one of those kids that actually appreciates the early and sustained interest of the Beavs.

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      Green is certainly the least likely, but the Utah offer seems to signify they think they have a shot to at least get him to look deeper. Programs usually don’t offer this late in the game unless there is some glimmer of opportunity.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Utah also offered a Kansas 4* RB commit yesterday.
        Seems like theyre just testing the waters to see if they can poach some talent at that position.

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      I don’t consider Calvin a commit. If we get him, it will be a nice little cherry on top of an already solid class, but just thinking of him as more of a bonus right now.

      Green, i have no idea, but just speculating that us going after so many running backs in the past couple of weeks, including the outspoken Judson, might have him worried about OSU taking him for granted?
      Hard to tell, but I feel better about our chances with him than I ever did with Calvin.

      • Deskahutez says:
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        Solid analysis as always NiceBeav. I agree on all fronts, although we really need two backs in this class. Although Nall and AP are tremendous, we need depth and the 3rd and 4th back ciuld quickly become the starter with guys getting dinged up, just like we saw this year. It does appear that the backs they have offered late are a little more of the power variety, which would be a complement to Green.

        Calvin has basically gone into silent mode. It is going to be a fun ride to the finish.

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        Green visiting Utah this weekend.

        http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/01/tj_green_oregon_state_beavers_4.html

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    247s crystal ball has trajon coming here.

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    Just for namesake, if we were to build facilities in/near p town, my vote would be for Beaverton. Seems legit to me…

    • Own the State says:
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      Think we need an article about risks for Calvin if he considers Nebraska. We all know Riley’s faults better than anyone and most us think things could take a bad turn for Riley in next couple years. He already is on a somewhat seat after judt 2 yeats which is usually the honeymoon and ewas pressured or forced to axe Banker. Then he couldn’t even do that without resorting to a slimy and cowardly phone call.

      We all also know Andersen is trending in the right direction and there are very likely some high watermarks in store over the next 4-5 years. Perfect time to be coming into this program. Just really don’t want the youn man to tie his fate to Riley who is going to be seen with head down, smacking gum on plenty of occassions over the next couple years until perhaps he is no longer coach and forced out. Andersen, on the other hand, has this thing turning in the right direction and gaining real momentum that is likely to continue. Calvin would get to play with Arex as he stated would be a blessing and be a focus of new WR Coach Jason Phillips’ plans to move the chains with a high octane pass game to complement Nall Ball. That has the potential to be a very effective and intriguing offense.

      So many good things seem to be on the cusp for Oregon State and putting faith in a shoulder shrugging, gum smackin dinosaur in Riley who appears near extinction as a coach just seems like a fraught decision. Really hope he sees that Andersen is the better mentor and leader of young men at this point and vs Riley his best bet to have a fulfilling college experience full of team and personal growth. Andersen cares for his players deeply and will help Calvin be in the best possible position to achieve his dreams.

      • Gum Chewing Bastard says:
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        Golly, I’m pressing the delete key on my keyboard, but your post won’t go away! Dadgummed thing must be broken! A little help here someone? I can pay you in Trident Layers like that funny commercial
        lol# techsupport#

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I think we should let him choose for himself and be happy for him when he does so for his reasons.

        And then I think we should play some football.

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        My buddy’s son played for the Beavs in the mid to late 2000s. The poster on here “dwill03” said recently:
        “After all the facts came out about the Brenda Tracy thing he lost me. That and hearing former players say Riley had the fatherly vibe during the season, but as soon as the season was over he kinda took off to his version of Camp David and didn’t really have much involvement made me think it was all bull shit.”

        This was absolutely spot on for my friend’s son. Riley was basically collecting his paycheck and that is it. He did not care about the kids’ academics, personal stuff, etc. My friend’s son was on the team for the entire time of his school career, put in the work on and off the field, and was left feeling pretty empty about the whole experience, minus the great relationships he made with teammates and a few staff members. Fast forward to now…his dad is ecstatic with Coach Andersen and says the vibe is a complete 180 from the Riley years. This makes me feel pumped for the future and pretty glad Riley left.

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          Jiminy Christmas, the backspace key isn’t working on these posts, either! hash tag broken hash tag dadgummit

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      Moving any of the athletic facilities to Portland would destroy the Corvallis campus on many different fronts. That and it is not feasible whatsoever with logistics of the players classes, etc.

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    A 6’8″ 308 lb. mesomorph of an OT? Ridiculous…may be available this spring, 3 to play 3.

    https://twitter.com/Tree_51

    Hope the “tree” moniker isn’t a negative comment on his mobility! : )

    http://www.scout.com/junior-college-football/story/1732914-alston-could-leave-this-spring

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      Being that tall can be a liability for a OL. He needs to be pretty flexible in the hips to get his center of gravity lower.

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    Tinkle’s team is an abortion and a complete buzz kill for the entire athletic department after an improved fb season and fb recruiting.

    Tinkle’s ass hattery has the potential to be devastating for the entire school, and state of oregon. No one expected this team to be this bad, and they shouldn’t be. This is bad coaching. Tinkle is likely done, how can this be turned around?

    it’s only a matter of time for Barnes to can him. And I’m not looking forward to the fallout

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      ^^^^^^^^^^
      Speaking of abortions

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      He truly was wanting the Stanford job last year. Lots of skeptics now. Plus there was locker room cancer earlier involving one of the JC transfers.

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        After this season we won’t have to worry about him getting poached.

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    Ucks players hospitalized–
    Came across this comment on the change of strength/conditioning coaches at hole:
    ” Jim Radcliffe, an internationally respected strength and conditioning specialist and trained physiologist is essentially gone at the U of O. Make way for the knuckle draggers.”

    A check of the ucks site reveals the educational background of the new S/C coach, Irele Oderinde, to indeed, appear short of Radcliffe’s:
    Oderinde graduated from WKU in 2003 with a bachelor’s degree in recreation administration, and earned his master’s degree in sport management from Western Kentucky in 2007.

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      I’ll be interested to see how the Oregonian handles this. I see Goe is critical, but can’t read the article because my browser always has problems with the OLive site and the pages lock up.

      Will Canzano call it out and be critical? Or will the Taggert love-fest continue with some rationalizing of the events?

      Looks like Radcliffe for fall guy? Does he report to HC?

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        I believe the Ducks have massively failed in hiring W.T. I had this feeling from the get-go. I can’t believe there are fans sticking up for the new regime when three players have suspected rhabdomyolysis. I do not think this is the last time we will hear of a scandal with the new coaches.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        AIUI, Radcliffe previously was trainer for FB and other sports, I believe he’d report to the AD or at least someone above the FB HC. Radcliffe has some months left on his contract and is now working with other sports at hole. BTW: He has been there over 30 years, longest of any PAC12 S/C coach.

        Can’t see him as fall guy, it is the new S/C coach, Oderinde, who is directly responsible here, no?

        Of course, some kool aide drinkers will blame Helfrich for letting the players get soft by cheating on their previous workouts. Explained in some detail by Andrew Greif in the big O here:

        http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2017/01/how_the_oregon_ducks_football.html#incart_river_index

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          Radcliffe is still at hole with the baseball and track teams. As much as I like to hate on Oregon, Radcliffe, as far as lifting coaches go, is really one of the top guys in his field. He revolutionized plyometrics training in college and pro sports, along with several others lifting coaches. The guy is kind of a legend in those circles.

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            Yup, and his educational background goes beyond “recreation admin” and “sport management”…….both from Western Kentucky to boot!

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            How will this play out there? When Iowa had THIRTEEN players hospitalized from this, everyone assumed heads would role. The SC coach did not get fired. Not only did he not get canned, after that season Ferentz gave him the Asst. Coach of the year award! He is currently the highest paid SC coach in the country. Ferentz had enough clout that the media rolled over and played dead. Since they are the defacto pro team for the state, any scandles there are a one day news cycle. It will be interesting to see how the coverage in the Portland vs the Eugene paper differs.

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Anyone else find it funny that on Twitter, Taggert forces his potential recruits to make half an “O” with each of their hands? This looks so contrived and in every pic, the recruit has that look on his face that he can’t believe he’s doing this.

    • BlkOrange says:
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      Taggart comes across as a completely socially inept douche. Tacky. I still can’t get over how bad he came across in his introductory press conference.

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        I didn’t watch it, but read Canzano’s article on it and he LOVED it. He wrote “I didn’t want it to end. Bet you didn’t either.”

        That’s why I’m curious if they have any challenging follow up questions and articles/op-ed on the issue. They’re pre-disposed to gush over the Ducks.

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        I don’t get the hate on the guy for his public appearances. I honestly don’t care enough to watch his press conferences. I’m glad we have our coach, and I think we’ll be beating them for a couple years… keeping in mind it’s always a rivalry.

        The player safety part of his coaching can be called into question. There’s something seriously wrong with any coach who circuit trains multiple players into the hospital. There is no short-cut to strength and conditioning. The body can only handle so much before it needs to heal. The healing is the part that makes you stronger. Some of these conditioning nuts nowadays forget that the simple concept that working major muscle groups on consecutive days resets that healing and opens the body to odd injuries related to the conditioning itself.

        I’m not going to look to see if they have one, but I think any S&C coach who works more with the team trainer than with a qualified nutritionist is not doing his or her job well.

  • scotty says:
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    Called into JB Show on my lunch break to get on the crappy PAC officiating and point out the importance of expectations (Riley). Felt good 🙂

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      Good job, scotty. Did ya notice how Parker (and Warren) completely ignored your comments on Riley and expectations? No surprise really, I think Parker is beginning to tire of pushing the boulder uphill!
      Sounds like Dave from Tumwater is coming up, maybe he can provoke a classic response!

      EDIT: A valiant effort by DfT is sidestepped by Parker.

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        MP is getting better at that, or he’s just tired of pushing back

  • JockItch JockItch says:
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    Taggert and all his extremely wide arm movements reminds me of a guy taking over the White House this weekend. Ego much??

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    I feel a little dirty, went on the uck site to check out their S/C coach.
    Came across this: the uck baseball team has a ……wait for it……….SPORTS PHYCHOLOGIST!, Ken Ravizza, whose bio on the site is BLANK!

    Angry has, I believe wisely, advocated for a sports psychologist for the Beavs in the past. Could uncle phil be reading ab??

  • bleedorange says:
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    When is the poly bowl? How r our chances with pili and watson? Looks to be 50/50 on 247.

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    Canzano out with a column re Ducks workout.

    Tough call here.

    I’d agree, if I’m in the player’s shoes, I’ll run through walls to let my new coaches and teammates know that I’m all in. That they can trust me when the game is on the line, that I won’t quit, I won’t sub out. One more push up. One more sit up. One more sprint.

    However, the coaches are the ones responsible to reign in players before they go too far.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Canzano’s solution? More Nike!

    “The UO Athletic Department released a statement indicating the program had made modifications to the offseason workout programs. Wonderful. It’s a great start. Oregon is a cutting-edge university with a unique partnership with Nike. Might be worth exploring that bond with an eye toward having a strength and conditioning program that could be the model for all of college athletics.

    Nike would be up for it. Taggart should jump all over that. The result could be a win for the NCAA, which has seen a cluster of incidents like this over the last decade.”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2017/01/post_100.html#incart_2box_sports_oregonian_john_canzano

    Unique partnership…yes.

    Disagree that young adults can’t be expected to speak out or sit out what is clearly excessive training. That combined with the Nike idea just takes the pressure off UO to manage this appropriately.

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      What the hell does a partnership with Nike have to do with strength and conditioning? They don’t even make what they design, let alone specialize in physiology.

      I guess they can pay for the naming rights to the Mariota thingy. They could call it the Mariota Thingy, brought to you by Nike. And inside they could have hydration stations, brought to you by Gatorade… because sugary salt water is good for the organs when the body is stressed.

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    It’s well known that weight lifting will make you slow and muscle bound. Silly fad.

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    It is really disturbing to watch how the media (local and national) so blindly accept such an invasive partnership between UO, Nike, and the owner of both:Phil Knight. The coach search was blatant cheerleading for phil Knight and Kilkenny to male sure they hire the right guy, as if it is a pro sports team, and Nike is the research and facilities portion of the sports franchise.

    I think Nike is ruining college and now infesting pro sports just to make ugly uni combinations and sell more stuff. If the NCAA weren’t so on the take themselves, maybe they would see some conflict of interest.

    It is tiring to hear a chorus of Uncle Phil wants…as if that will determine the direction of UO athletics and it is ok for one donor to act like an owner. I think it reveals a weakness for all of those who are part of their alumni or fan base, even media to not question the whole arrangement.

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    Calvin is gone

    • Ryan says:
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      Yep… Not surprised at all. Looks like he will choose Nebby.. Why did he even choose us? If he does a final two between us and Nebraska. That will be stupid.

  • JockItch JockItch says:
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    Jamire Calvin most likely gone reopening his recruitment again. Guy’s too much drama either way, probably for the best if he is not mature enough to be on this team — lack of decision making at that age cracks me up.

  • ohiobeav says:
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    i predict his highschool teammates will have a much more stable college career and wins more games at osu than he will at nebby or wherever else he may go.
    Glad to have Fleming and Manning.

    Bring in guys who WANT to be here!

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      “Bring in guys who WANT to be here!”

      That’s the key……..why would we want him here if HE doesn’t want to be here. It’s no loss really, sure he’s a 4* guy but I don’t want him if he’s not all in.

      In reality it might be a good deal for him, he’ll get a new coach in 2 years that might know how to win big games. They might even beat Iowa or Ohio by the time hes a senior.

  • Jim says:
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    Time to stop chasing jamire calvin, kid couldn’t keep his commitment for more than a week, just loves all the attention. Sound like a good fit for the school down south.

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      He does not feel comfortable in a monogamous recruiting relationship.

  • NottaBeaver says:
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    U mad?

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Only at the NU fans who said his family was on the take. That was pretty disgusting.

      I’m not sure why there’s any of this hyperbolic messaging about our prospective fifteenth WR who’s a buck-sixty and slower than your average beaver… linebacker. We have Hodgins and Taylor and a bunch more on top of that. Can you blame him for not wanting to be a career second stringer?

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        Yeah that’s why he went to Nebraska, because he’s worried about competition. Not like they have the best slot receiver in the country already committed or anything….Tyjon Lindsay cough cough.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Jamire Calvin de-committing isn’t great, but hope the staff continues to pursue him and show him why Corvallis is where he belongs. If he wants to be here, he’ll commit here. Otherwise, wish him nothing but the best if he ends up elsewhere.

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      Exactly, don’t bail. There is a reason he chose OSU originally and we are 2 weeks from signing day so I’d hope they’d continue to push OSU and you never know what will happen.

      Sounds like he will head to Nebraska but you never know.

  • gobeavs says:
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    I sure hope the staff can close strong and keep the class together, hope we can at least keep T.J Green.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    New thread up, hurry if ya wanna be first!

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