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Going on 4th Down and the Problem with Stats

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This is from the prior thread:

When I say the limitations of statistical sheets, I’m talking about the fact there’s a big difference between Ohio State or Michigan going for 4th down conversions compared with Oregon State. Smith just sees the 4th down conversion rate and thinks it doesn’t depend on all those variables that go into being Ohio State or Michigan, including a usually much inferior opponent with undersized defenders, etc. Think how much Oregon under Chip skewed that conversation rate, for example. If he wants a more accurate representation of the actual rate, he should look at the bottom 50% schools and their rate of success going for 4th downs.

Of course there are other factors that won’t wind up on a stat sheet, like the refs for that game, how gassed the opponent is, weather conditions, team confidence levels, etc. This is a big reason I have been critical of Smith’s decisions. Much more important than a flawed stat sheet is a head coach who is observant and has feel for the game. If a coach is observant and has feel, he’s going to know what to do. This is why someone like Bill Snyder always seemed to make the right call, despite not using a sheet. In a way the sheet is a cop out to make the difficult decision for the coach, and in that sense they might be hiding behind it. It’s hard to criticize a coach when he can say, “I just followed the maths!”, but it also makes you wonder why you’re paying him, because if not for getting the difficult decisions correct, then what?

Someone correct me if I’m wrong and the stat sheet is factoring all of these variables in. I think the NFL has more of these variables baked in with the more advanced Next Gen stats, but to my knowledge the NCAA isn’t that advanced.

LA Bowl Oregon State vs Utah State (Game Thread)

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I’m going 42-35 good guys.

Let’s have some early fun. List your pre-game ritual and a bizarre prediction or two for the game.

Pre-game: Ordering Italian subs from a local shop.

Bizarre predictions: Colletto scores 3TDs, kisses a milf in the stands after the 3rd one. The game features no punts or field goals, leading Jonathan Smith to jizz in his pants on the sideline!

Ranking the 2022 Recruiting Class

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As always, these rankings are in order or talent (i.e. the first listed 3 star guy is my best 3 star guy).

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Mathias Malaki-Donaldson – Elite. Has his pass rush moves down already, but should be even scarier as he’s coached up. Collapses the pocket. Plays with passion and plays to the whistle.

Jack Velling – Potential game-changing TE. Fluid runner with soft hands. Yale offer suggests high intelligence, so he should move up the depth chart fast.

Andrew Chatfield – His film backs the ranking and hype. With Donaldson they could cause serious havoc.

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Noble Thomas – Ball hawk who likes to jump routes. Good awareness.

Damien Martinez – Interesting player. Upright runner with a longer stride, yet it’s effective. Makes quick decisions. Appears to be a good pass catcher as well.

Dylan Lopez –Looks solid, nice agility. The USC offer probably has him ranked higher than he should be. Not seeing an elite player right now, but a solid, agile lineman who could become elite by senior year.

Takari Hickle – I think this guy is underrated. Fast, physical, and finishes plays.

Quincy Wright – Listed at 270, but looks lean for a DT. Shows poor awareness (e.g. opponents right next to him, and he doesn’t see them) and plays tentative. When he sees the play, he makes the play. Potential, but needs time and coaching. Good frame.

Melvin Jordan – Really poor tackling technique. Many shoulder tackles on film (should fit in well with the Beavs!). Good frame but needs a lot of coaching to be viable. Disagree with the 4-star rating.

Sam Mason – I prefer him at WR over DB. Reminds me of the old Ohio State WR David Boston with the long legs and large upper body. As a DB, I don’t really like him. Doesn’t really have the body type or skills for that, and Smith states he’ll start there, lowering his rating for me. As a WR I’d bump him higher.

Luka Vincic – Gets pushed around a bit too much at the HS level for me to get excited about him. Has good drive but seems to have a weak upper body. Needs time. Could develop into a starter in his later years, or at worst, good depth.

Travis Throckmorton – Agree with Bill he looks strange throwing the ball. Phillip Rivers is a good analogy there, but more mobile than Rivers. Good mobility. Good arm. But a strange looking player. Super cool name for a QB.

Ryan Cooper – Skill set is average, but he plays with passion and is physical. I’m noticing a trend that Smith is recruiting very physical defenders. This guy fits the mold.

Nathan Elu – Actually looks pretty solid, despite his low ranking and poor offers.

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Carlos Mack – Not a big fan of what I see. Probably best as a nickel CB or a safety. Hopefully just depth and not brought in to start.

Kord Shaw – Couldn’t find video of him. Given his offer sheet, I’ll rank him low until I see film. My hunch is he might be a Colletto replacement.

Jacob Strand – Couldn’t find video of him. Given his offer sheet, I’ll rank him low until I see film.

If I forgot anyone, let me know, and I’ll add them.

Early Signing Day/Recruiting

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I’ll have a thread with analysis of each signee, probably early next week since we have the bowl game.

NB, any potential surprises or is this expected to be a smooth nothingburger?

Bowl Week and General

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You may be getting busy with Christmas activities but there are still lots of Beav related things to discuss and angrybeavs is the place to do it.

-NiceB should be busy providing tips as the early signing day approaches, transfer portal news as well.
-We should begin to get reports on the week of practice, maybe even a hint as to when the team will appear on The Jimmy K show.
-Smith still needs to name a DC, maybe this waits till after the Bowl?
-Anyone have strong feelings about the betting line for any of the Bowl games? Beavs are the only PAC12 team favored in their game. Is Utah gonna fool Vegas and whip Ohio State?
-Anyone heard when the quacks will name an OC? When they’ll start a Mens Soccer team?

Have at it!